**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 08 02:59:57 2011 Sep 08 03:11:45 hey guys Sep 08 03:13:12 hi Sep 08 03:13:41 i'm wondering about socks5/vpn setup on my touchpad. Sep 08 03:14:11 i have a socks/ssh server i use for my other devices, is there a way to make this work for the touchpad? Sep 08 03:14:30 or an opensource VPN server that supported the supported protocols? Sep 08 03:15:23 well, i think openvpn is available through preware Sep 08 03:15:29 Dr_Drache, the only one I know we support outside of webOS's is openVPN. Sep 08 03:15:55 openvpn. i didn't see that in preware, but honestly, i never looked Sep 08 03:16:14 thanks Sep 08 03:16:21 I wish openvpn was there natively. Sep 08 03:16:47 how well does it work? Sep 08 03:17:41 seriously, this seems like a bitch to setyp, lol Sep 08 03:17:46 thanks Sep 08 03:22:02 wait, it's all commandline? blah. where is the easy button? Sep 08 03:22:42 Gotta program your own easy button Sep 08 03:23:31 Does your router support PPTP? Sep 08 03:24:01 it might. Sep 08 03:24:06 havn't checked Sep 08 03:24:20 Dr_Drache: http://www.houseofpalm.com/palm.application.com-simplebeta-ezbutton-xAw.aspx Sep 08 03:24:42 If it does then PPTP support is built in and you're good to go Sep 08 03:24:47 it's literally the easy button Sep 08 03:24:49 :P Sep 08 03:25:00 i hate you :P Sep 08 03:26:08 omg EZ button won $1000 in hot apps? @($!#!# Sep 08 03:26:31 * destinal kicks himself for not writing something Sep 08 03:26:41 so Sep 08 03:29:24 i can't find info on my router. Sep 08 03:29:29 dammit Sep 08 03:29:45 someone just give me a cisco vpn software, k thnx Sep 08 03:30:11 what router do you have? Sep 08 03:30:25 wndr3700 Sep 08 03:30:31 netgear Sep 08 03:31:02 http://support.netgear.com/app/products/model/a_id/11640 Sep 08 03:33:57 looks like it supports it. Sep 08 03:34:29 yea... blah... i think i am too noob. Sep 08 03:34:36 this is alot of work :P Sep 08 03:34:40 lol Sep 08 03:36:12 ka6sox, you know anything about random disconnected on novaterm? Sep 08 03:37:32 mostly I've gotten that because of a bad connection to the TP from the host. Sep 08 03:37:46 crappy usb cables will do it Sep 08 03:37:51 there are sooo many of those in the world Sep 08 03:37:57 and/or crappy hubs Sep 08 03:38:45 its just the provided cable Sep 08 03:39:29 jonpry, its always been a bad connection Sep 08 03:40:06 switching usb ports on my laptop has no effect Sep 08 03:40:07 I've done some ugly stuff to the OS and it keeps on ticking. Sep 08 03:40:47 blow on the connector in the TP and insert a few times. Sep 08 03:41:03 thats the only thing I've seen before. Sep 08 03:41:36 my original pixi I needed to replace the USB connector..but it was WELL used. Sep 08 03:45:27 seems to be working now for whatever reason Sep 08 03:47:12 good... Sep 08 03:47:40 i swear this particular touchpad is a bit shady Sep 08 03:47:50 I've had novaterm not *work* which required a reboot but never random disconnnects unless it was a flaky connector or HUB. Sep 08 03:47:55 bad screen, bad ts, bad usb.... Sep 08 03:48:16 why do we even work on this eh? Sep 08 03:48:30 need better hardware :p Sep 08 03:50:11 the NC is about as bulletproof as I've ever seen. Sep 08 03:53:38 folks Sep 08 04:02:49 see yaz! Sep 08 04:07:03 Anyone here set up airprint? Sep 08 04:07:19 i did once a long time ago Sep 08 04:07:24 it was a pain in the balls Sep 08 04:07:30 and didnt work right :/ Sep 08 04:07:35 prob did it wrong Sep 08 04:10:30 i'm about to buy a [unsupported] printer and was hoping to use my router Sep 08 04:11:15 i wouldnt Sep 08 04:11:21 unless you can bring it back Sep 08 04:11:24 i had a horrid time with it. Sep 08 04:11:29 though you might get lucky :) Sep 08 04:12:44 the airprint would be a bonus, but it isnt necessary Sep 08 04:13:04 i need to see whats up with my TP Sep 08 04:13:11 i dont feel like dr'ing it for no reason Sep 08 04:13:12 because there's no way i'm buying a supported airprint printer Sep 08 04:13:34 you know much how ipkg works? Sep 08 04:13:36 from novacom? Sep 08 04:14:15 nope Sep 08 04:16:01 too bad Sep 08 04:16:04 want to see if i can fix this Sep 08 04:16:07 without having to dr it Sep 08 04:18:51 what do you need? Sep 08 04:20:02 I had about 10 packages on the internal storage Sep 08 04:20:10 i ran a script to install them all using ipkg install X Sep 08 04:20:17 it wound up running out of space Sep 08 04:20:21 and it seems kinda fucked up :) Sep 08 04:21:02 sweet Sep 08 04:21:39 yea :) Sep 08 04:21:45 Im just going to DR it i guess Sep 08 04:21:49 you installed them all in / I think Sep 08 04:21:50 dono whats up Sep 08 04:21:50 :P Sep 08 04:21:54 dwc-, me too Sep 08 04:22:03 not sure how to fix it Sep 08 04:22:10 ipkg uninstall 'em Sep 08 04:22:15 i tried Sep 08 04:22:20 oh Sep 08 04:22:22 minus the .ipk? Sep 08 04:22:31 ipkg uninstall filename Sep 08 04:22:34 minus .ipk? Sep 08 04:22:36 whatever ipkg list says Sep 08 04:22:36 let me try that Sep 08 04:22:39 oh Sep 08 04:22:42 i can try Sep 08 04:22:42 sorry list_installed Sep 08 04:22:46 go one by one Sep 08 04:22:48 worth it Sep 08 04:22:49 tbh Sep 08 04:23:32 figured id save myself time. by getting each ipk then using the install each one by one :) Sep 08 04:23:35 guess i thought wrong Sep 08 04:23:36 or did it wrong Sep 08 04:26:32 I'm guessing it's not as easy as copying the contents of the webos.tar in the 2.2 doctor into a Pre2 to update is it :p Sep 08 04:33:25 you could try it, let us know if it works :) Sep 08 04:33:59 yeah, be the guinea pig Sep 08 04:35:02 I dc'ed what happened? Sep 08 04:35:34 oh, just saw the logs :p Sep 08 04:35:52 Hmmm Im thinking of trying it but I just know that it isnt that simple Sep 08 04:42:49 well it cant hurt :) Sep 08 04:42:53 if it works cool Sep 08 04:42:56 going to try now Sep 08 04:42:56 :) Sep 08 04:43:46 I do have some spare Pre2's to experiment on instead of my own Sep 08 04:43:52 Ill try it tomorrow if I ge tthe chance Sep 08 04:46:16 Abyssul_, you have 4 of them don't you? Sep 08 04:46:17 lol Sep 08 04:46:44 Abyssul_, btw, my bro is loving his pre 2 Sep 08 04:46:47 thanks for pointing me to it Sep 08 04:49:02 No problem Sep 08 04:49:04 Get yours? Sep 08 04:49:17 Yeah I have my 4. Still finding out what to do with them Sep 08 04:50:11 Give one to me Sep 08 04:51:23 Nice try Sep 08 04:51:33 It was worth a shot Sep 08 04:52:11 DId you get them from hp for the $50? Sep 08 04:52:20 What would you do for a Palm Pre 2? *Klondike jingle* Sep 08 04:52:30 Indeed Sep 08 04:54:10 sell crack on the street Sep 08 04:54:19 stab a hooker, hide the body Sep 08 04:54:28 burn down an orphanage Sep 08 04:56:01 wow... Sep 08 04:56:03 :D Sep 08 04:56:04 its what i do Sep 08 04:56:28 lol Sep 08 04:57:34 hmm Sep 08 04:58:27 got skype packages installed on my pre2... not sure the services are running correctly... adding an account seems to cause some exceptions Sep 08 04:59:07 be nice if I had a pre3 so I could see how these things were supposed to be running Sep 08 04:59:15 Abyssul_, lucky. I missed out on it :\ Sep 08 04:59:26 Abyssul_, pointed me to them :) Sep 08 05:00:01 dwc-, what are you trying to do? Sep 08 05:00:06 get skype running Sep 08 05:00:16 on a non-VZW phone? Sep 08 05:00:22 yes Sep 08 05:00:28 I thought about that Sep 08 05:00:45 oh here we go, an emulator image for the pre3 Sep 08 05:00:51 maybe there first Sep 08 05:01:05 why use that? Look in the 2.1 doctor for the vzw pre2 Sep 08 05:01:18 the vzw pre2 stuff connects over the vzw voice network Sep 08 05:01:31 I already tried that a number of months ago Sep 08 05:01:49 Thats some serious BS :( Sep 08 05:01:49 it connects to the servers, but is rejected because the source IP isn't a vzw IP Sep 08 05:02:00 To the PRe3 then! Sep 08 05:02:20 that's what I'm trying Sep 08 05:02:23 You'd think it would be a simple .ipk package like the sprint navi Sep 08 05:02:30 I wish I was in the bay area still, could have gone to the hp store Sep 08 05:02:41 I copied over all the pre-installed skype dependencies, and then the skype ipk Sep 08 05:03:14 but since I'm not sure exactly what the setup is supposed to look like, it's a little difficult to know which part is broken on my pre2 Sep 08 05:03:39 --force-depends? Sep 08 05:05:03 yes Sep 08 05:08:09 you got the .ipk from wr.tar right? Sep 08 05:09:07 yes Sep 08 05:09:09 what a shame... the mantaraycdmafw.tar is empty Sep 08 05:09:36 :( Sep 08 05:10:38 dwc-, I think you were right Sep 08 05:10:47 when i did the remove Sep 08 05:10:50 "removed from root" Sep 08 05:11:51 time to learn command line stuff. if i want to use it :) Sep 08 05:12:49 there's a variable that is set if you wnat to install in /media/cryptofs like all the other apps Sep 08 05:13:51 dwc-, where is the dependency skypem Sep 08 05:14:01 thanks for the help dwc- Sep 08 05:14:04 seems like it has worked Sep 08 05:14:04 I tar'd it up out of the unpacked filesystem Sep 08 05:14:09 no need to dr :) Sep 08 05:14:30 rhcp[linux]: cool Sep 08 05:14:50 where though o.O Sep 08 05:14:52 Abyssul_: I pulled all the skype-named ones save the gstreamer one, which didn't seem important yet Sep 08 05:15:07 I only see one skype .ipk Sep 08 05:15:09 I used the list in the ipkg lib dir Sep 08 05:15:14 it's not an ipk Sep 08 05:15:15 hmm Sep 08 05:15:22 what are we doing here? Sep 08 05:15:27 Magic Sep 08 05:15:35 define "Magic" Sep 08 05:15:38 uh, stuff that's probably off-topic, sorry Sep 08 05:15:46 Not off-topic in my eyes Sep 08 05:16:08 rhcp[linux]: try IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps when you ipkg Sep 08 05:16:15 okay, so again, what are you doing? Sep 08 05:16:27 dwc-, set that in ENV? Sep 08 05:16:29 I was trying to get the skype stuff from 2.2 running on my pre2 Sep 08 05:16:36 i see their are variable to install as well Sep 08 05:17:05 but ill take note Sep 08 05:17:15 ill prob just use the preware installer if i want to do it by hand. Sep 08 05:17:24 rhcp[linux], what did i tell you about quitting the internet Sep 08 05:17:28 that's probably easier Sep 08 05:17:29 its easier for me to download stuff from computer but harder Sep 08 05:17:40 jonpry, this is not the room to talk about things Sep 08 05:17:57 palm-install is scriptable on your computer, if you have the SDK Sep 08 05:18:07 * Abyssul_ bows Sep 08 05:18:08 dwc-, ah nice Sep 08 05:18:13 ill check it out Sep 08 05:18:15 im new to all this Sep 08 05:18:48 uh, wow. the icons in the 320x480 2.2 emu image are large and scrunched together Sep 08 05:19:16 launcher icons are 2x2 Sep 08 05:20:16 may I ask a question regarding Doctor not recognizing the Pre for a frankenpre conversion? Sep 08 05:20:17 So many skypem files Sep 08 05:21:21 Ill leave it to you dwc-. Thats too much work Sep 08 05:23:41 rhcp[linux], you think its not the room because you can't ban me from it and you don't want everyone to know what a douche bag you are Sep 08 05:23:53 rwhitby, will ban you. Sep 08 05:23:54 not me Sep 08 05:24:11 because you can say w/e you want. i wont say a word :) Sep 08 05:24:15 i dont care anymore Sep 08 05:24:21 Sep 08 05:25:45 yeah thats it. bring your posse. its so surprising that the thief is unrepentant. Sep 08 05:27:13 ? Sep 08 05:27:36 hello - is anybody available for a Doctor question? Sep 08 05:28:09 yep Sep 08 05:28:13 ~asktoask Sep 08 05:28:13 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Sep 08 05:29:18 I'm at the point of a sprint frankenpre conversion with webOS Doctor asks for the Pre to be connected. It's not recognizing the Pre and I'm not sure why Sep 08 05:35:12 any tips on what could be wrong? Sep 08 05:35:22 I installed the sdk and drivers Sep 08 05:37:38 Hobbz`, sorry, bad night for me...need sleep. Sep 08 05:38:26 but wait around and someone will help. Sep 08 05:38:42 yeah, I've been working on this for about 5-6 hours now... know how you feel =) Sep 08 05:39:42 can't wait too long, need to be up for work in 6 hours Sep 08 05:40:44 jonpry, rhcp[linux]: please take android on touchpad discussions elsewhere, thanks. Sep 08 05:41:09 rwhitby, I wasnt talking about android. but thanks Sep 08 05:41:22 actually playing with my real webos touchpad :) Sep 08 05:41:24 for a change Sep 08 05:41:40 i did a stupid thing. I ipkg installed as root Sep 08 05:41:40 :P Sep 08 05:41:49 thanks to dwc- fixed it up Sep 08 05:42:45 rhcp[linux]: don't get cute with me. the discussion between yourself and jonpry is about issues unrelated to this channel. please take it elsewhere. webos-internals is *NOT* involved in any touchpad on android teams, efforts, or discussions in any way. Sep 08 05:43:53 Im not being cute with you man Sep 08 05:43:55 seriously Sep 08 05:44:05 i was asking questions RE my webos install i messed Sep 08 05:44:09 and webos-internals is definitely not involved in any disputes between two individuals who are not webos-internals developers. Sep 08 05:44:16 i agree rwhitby Sep 08 05:44:25 thats why my first words were. this is not the chan to talk. Sep 08 05:44:28 if you look up Sep 08 05:44:44 anyways its over :) Sep 08 05:44:59 rhcp: he's trying to tell you to STFU in a polite, professional and firm way. This means not respondig to what people say to you about those issues. At all. Sep 08 05:46:13 i know Sep 08 05:46:14 :) Sep 08 05:46:21 thanks for being polite Sep 08 05:46:29 im here for webos only Sep 08 05:46:46 So much Touchpad drama. Sep 08 05:47:15 izza: yep, and it must remain out of this channel. period. Sep 08 05:47:50 Heh, no problem here. I wish the people perpetuating the drama would put that energy into making something productive happen. Sep 08 05:47:50 if necessary, anyone involved in the drama will be excluded if that is the only way to keep the drama out. Sep 08 05:49:12 any tips figuring out how to get Doctor to recognize the Pre would be very much appreciated =) Sep 08 05:52:36 rhcp[linux]: note that I have seen things said by touchpad on android teams intimating that webos-internals is involved. that has to stop. webos-internals is not involved in touchpad on android teams, period. Sep 08 05:53:15 rwhitby, ok Sep 08 06:01:14 ugh Sep 08 06:08:11 Hobbz_: dont know if i can help but are you making a sprint pre 2? Sep 08 06:10:33 yes, I am Sep 08 06:10:58 is the pre 2 in developer mode? Sep 08 06:11:31 not sure... followed directions to plug in usb power while holding down up-volume button Sep 08 06:11:38 has usb symbol on screen Sep 08 06:11:56 well, did you try the up up down down thing? Sep 08 06:12:50 nope, it's a new phone - didn't see that in any of the information and figured it didn't apply Sep 08 06:14:07 i was thinking maybe you need to enable developer mode, but im not sure Sep 08 06:15:03 yeah... I followed the instructions and I believe it's in recovery mode. I assumed it was similar to being in developer mode Sep 08 06:15:24 been at it for 6 hours... gotta wake up for work in 5 lol Sep 08 06:15:56 hmm dont think so but im not sure Sep 08 06:16:30 I'm methodically making sure all the drivers are reinstalled and such Sep 08 06:16:34 it's a royal pain lol Sep 08 06:16:36 so you made a meta doctor build? Sep 08 06:16:58 yes, ran the script through the terminal window Sep 08 06:17:28 then you plug in the usb and it just wont recognize it? Sep 08 06:17:46 I get the webOS Doctor to appear.... correct, when asked to plug in the USB it never recognizes it Sep 08 06:18:11 only thing i can think of is enable developer mode but i dont know... Sep 08 06:18:19 Hobbz_, pastebin the log from the doctor. Sep 08 06:18:42 how would I do that? Sep 08 06:19:21 what kind of a machine are you on? Sep 08 06:19:59 windows with virtualbox running ubuntu Sep 08 06:20:25 are you trying to connect to the pre from the virtualbox? Sep 08 06:21:12 if you are move it into windows and run it from there. Sep 08 06:21:43 It shows connected to the USB port on my windows side Sep 08 06:21:54 not sure how to connect via virtualbox Sep 08 06:22:05 you have to set up usb in vb Sep 08 06:22:17 for the virtual machine Sep 08 06:22:39 bingo... how would that be accomplished? Sep 08 06:22:59 you have to do it in the virtual machine settings Sep 08 06:23:55 I'm there but not sure how to open connection Sep 08 06:24:37 hmm havent done that in a while...lemme see Sep 08 06:27:37 looks like I was able to add a usb filter and it had the pre listed, but no connection that I can tell Sep 08 06:27:56 just run the doctor from the windows side if you have followed the directions (as in for making a backup) Sep 08 06:28:04 i think thats what you have to do Sep 08 06:28:15 I assume thats what you used vbox to create right? Sep 08 06:28:32 will it be the correct version of doctor though? it autoran after the script command was entered Sep 08 06:28:35 you can run novaterm from the terminal to see if youre connected if you want Sep 08 06:30:34 I can download the pre 2 v2.1.0 from the website instead of having to run through ubuntu? Sep 08 06:31:02 you should use the doctor you made i think Sep 08 06:31:15 Hobbz_, what are you following for directions? url please? Sep 08 06:31:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Sep 08 06:32:12 I'm on Step 3, running the meta doctor script Sep 08 06:32:23 unfortunately, that's the hang-up Sep 08 06:33:01 man I am soo pissed off trying to get the goddamn HP touchpad the bastards fracking owe me after what they did to the Palm Pixi Sep 08 06:33:15 lol Sep 08 06:33:22 huh.... lol Sep 08 06:33:35 i would say enable usb in virtualbox and you should be ok.. Sep 08 06:33:39 I'm on Step 3 of those directions Sep 08 06:33:41 this is not frankenpre directions. Sep 08 06:33:42 wait Sep 08 06:33:49 yes, it is Sep 08 06:34:05 is webos 2 working on the pixi now? Sep 08 06:34:07 Timmy - I added the usb device filter but doesn't seem to helping Sep 08 06:34:10 wait Sep 08 06:34:50 hmm did you do that while the machine was off? Sep 08 06:35:28 I am trying to get the HP touchpad (which I would have gotten at full price if I could have gotten the webos 2.0 update for the pixi) Sep 08 06:35:30 holy cow.... it finally conected Sep 08 06:36:03 so its working now? Sep 08 06:36:06 I disconnected pre from usb, killed windows novacom process and ejected... virtualbox picked it up Sep 08 06:36:18 anybody have any tips on getting one for retail? Sep 08 06:36:21 it seems so Sep 08 06:36:34 hmm interesting, sounds good... Sep 08 06:36:40 thanks for your patience and tips Sep 08 06:36:48 no problem Sep 08 06:37:12 anybody have any experience with display models on the hp touchpad? Sep 08 06:37:12 Vic - you can probably find some on ebay, somebody told me some were on Amazon.com yesterday Sep 08 06:37:21 if you ever use ubuntu in the future i would recommend using wubi, it makes that kinda stuff easier Sep 08 06:37:48 heh... it took me 4 hours to finally get a working access point to ubuntu Sep 08 06:38:04 yeah their on amazon for 2.4x what they are worth Sep 08 06:38:30 Vic_Sage-TheQues: they're worth what people will pay for them :) Sep 08 06:38:33 well, wubi (windows installer for ubuntu) is way easier to use that vb with ubuntu imo Sep 08 06:39:22 I really don't get it they were on sale at staples with coupon for $300 and never sold Sep 08 06:39:44 now they are selling like crazy at $300 Sep 08 06:41:13 dang... lost connection Sep 08 06:41:34 yeah, I tried wubi and got it to finally install, but wouldn't let me run ubuntu for some reason Sep 08 06:41:53 Vic_Sage-TheQues: as people are exposed to them, people realize that they have some real value Sep 08 06:42:19 are you on a 64bit system? Sep 08 06:42:21 people might have started buying them for $100 because wow how can you go wrong at $100, but they're worth more than that Sep 08 06:42:29 yeah, 64 bit system Sep 08 06:42:45 i had that problem on a 64bit system too... Sep 08 06:42:59 ohhhhh Sep 08 06:43:13 Hobbz-: wait which distro? Sep 08 06:43:14 drat... can't reconnect Sep 08 06:43:22 whats the difference between the display models and the regular ones? Sep 08 06:43:27 Hobbz-: or which OS? Sep 08 06:43:43 anybody have any experience in that regard Sep 08 06:44:02 I might try to get a display model from the local wal-mart Sep 08 06:44:03 windows 7 Sep 08 06:44:05 Vic_Sage-TheQues: they have a different SKU token written to them that means you need to bypass first use Sep 08 06:44:15 or change the token Sep 08 06:44:28 i heard display models have like 8gb of hard disk or something but not sure Sep 08 06:44:37 I was told they won't register Sep 08 06:44:49 Vic_Sage-TheQues: that's what I mean, there's a trick to get them to Sep 08 06:45:17 but I figure once you hack them it could actually be pretty useful Sep 08 06:45:19 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_webOS_Activating_Touchpad_Demo_Unit Sep 08 06:46:39 once you do that, they work basically like any touchpad Sep 08 06:46:44 ok cool it looks like the demo units are usable Sep 08 06:47:12 Walmart probably doesn't have any display units Sep 08 06:47:17 for sale that is Sep 08 06:47:33 I am just going to try and ask the manager Sep 08 06:47:37 I believe the stores were to send them back Sep 08 06:47:46 aww that sucks Sep 08 06:48:21 What was funny was that when the firesale was first announced, I found a display unit at Staples. They wouldn't sell it to me. It was the only unit the store had. Sep 08 06:48:42 I did touch it a lot. Inappropriately. In front of other upset geeks. Sep 08 06:48:56 they're making 100-200K more for release in october, but you may need a pre-order Sep 08 06:48:57 everywheres but my area seems to be getting these that is why this is pissing me off Sep 08 06:49:24 I really would sign up on the HP site for notification of availability. It's essentially a waiting list. Sep 08 06:49:33 I have done so Sep 08 06:49:42 Then I wish you good luck. Sep 08 06:50:18 yeah the sucky thing is that it looks like most of them are going to people who ordered already Sep 08 06:50:36 drat - the phone connection keeps getting dropped Sep 08 06:50:37 About all you can do at the moment, I'm afraid. Unless you don't mind spending a bit extra for one on eBay Sep 08 06:51:31 the usb connection? Sep 08 06:52:12 I am interested in them at $99 but for $240 it just runs the risk that HP will stop development on web os or make webos 5.0 with the HP touchpad 2 and not make it compatible with the original Sep 08 06:52:15 yeah Sep 08 06:52:24 says Loading Ramdisk:booting Sep 08 06:52:44 then essentially the HP touchpad winds up about as screwed over as my pixi Sep 08 06:52:51 then a couple lines later says it's waiting for device to come back Sep 08 06:52:51 are you booting the virtual machine? Sep 08 06:52:59 nope Sep 08 06:53:05 that's the text on the terminal window Sep 08 06:53:16 hp logo on Pre screen Sep 08 06:53:34 the pre is booting then... Sep 08 06:54:10 web os is great but it is more closed source than Android Sep 08 06:55:03 hence devices go obsolete Sep 08 06:55:04 I'll give it a few minutes to finish rebooting... doctor dropped the connection, hopefully it doesn't try to restart from scratch Sep 08 06:56:55 I could get behind web os again if HP would release the source code Sep 08 06:59:29 drat - it keeps getting hung up on the same spot and restarts Sep 08 06:59:35 Hobbz-: actually if the hp logo is up that could just mean it's booted into the installer image Sep 08 06:59:55 the doctor actually has to drive the installer image sending commands throughout the process like an expect script Sep 08 07:00:50 isnt it supposed to show the usb image? Sep 08 07:01:07 no, that's an earlier step Sep 08 07:01:13 here's what I see happening... doctor uploads a rather large file and sends a boot command... after a couple minutes, it seems doctor times out and stops waiting Sep 08 07:01:26 it's only at 4% on the progress bar Sep 08 07:02:07 unplug and start again? Sep 08 07:02:12 Hobbz-: ok so what it's doing is using novacom to send bootie a boot image (kernel) over USB, it sends it, it boots (thus the HP logo) but this kernel doesn't do anything else with video Sep 08 07:02:20 yep - after 3 minutes, it's timing out Sep 08 07:02:44 what device is this? Sep 08 07:02:57 Pre 2, trying to do a sprint frankenpre conversion Sep 08 07:03:14 Hobbz-: any chance you have an old version of the novacom drivers? Sep 08 07:04:00 it's possible but I checked to make sure the links seemed current Sep 08 07:04:23 I finally got virtualbox to run ubuntu, so installed everything fresh Sep 08 07:04:41 how are you connecting usb to the VM Sep 08 07:05:02 set up a usb device filter Sep 08 07:05:06 on the settings menu Sep 08 07:05:14 because when it reboots it's very much like unplugging and plugging it back in, if you are doing anything manually you need to do it again when it reboots Sep 08 07:05:24 oh AND Sep 08 07:05:33 there are different USB device id's Sep 08 07:05:37 not doing anything manually but watching Sep 08 07:05:38 oh? Sep 08 07:06:23 make sure that the device is getting connected once it reboots after upload Sep 08 07:06:33 can you see it in list Sep 08 07:06:55 hrmmm.... Sep 08 07:07:08 folks, the first rule of running the doctor is do run it on the command line to see the full log. Sep 08 07:07:18 we don't answer anything until we see a full log in a pastebin, period. Sep 08 07:07:22 I saw some additional usb unknown devices so I added them all Sep 08 07:08:06 ha - that was it Sep 08 07:08:14 had to add 5 more usb devices to the filter Sep 08 07:08:53 cotton-pickin gizmo lol Sep 08 07:09:01 rwhitby, Can the dr be used to change things on the current system? without destroying what is on it currently? like if you wanted to add a part? Sep 08 07:09:09 or is it best to wait for your gui app? Sep 08 07:09:16 Hobbz-: nice, glad it's sorted Sep 08 07:09:34 if I get an HP Touchpad I am going to dualboot android and webos only because android has Comixology and netflix Sep 08 07:09:50 thanks destinal Sep 08 07:10:05 im hoping for netflix on webos Sep 08 07:10:12 me as well Sep 08 07:10:12 rhcp[linux]: well there's the doctor and then there's the installer image . the installer image is the kernel that is loaded into memory over USB and booted and then the doctor novaterms in essentially and performs the installation Sep 08 07:10:14 you and timmy gave the tips needed for this newbie to get some progress made =) Sep 08 07:10:14 I have a strong feeling with all these webos devices out Sep 08 07:10:19 people will dev more for webos Sep 08 07:10:49 destinal, ah. so you dont need to destroy * Sep 08 07:10:50 neat Sep 08 07:10:53 ill have to read Sep 08 07:11:07 I am hoping to get lucky on this Sep 08 07:11:17 hope it works out...i was thinking about doing that but havent totally decided... Sep 08 07:11:47 rhcp[linux]: so doctor puts the device in bootie recover mode (which shows the usb logo) and uploads it a kernel (ie novacom boot mem://) and then waits for it to come back, novacom open tty:// (like novaterm) and starts sending it commands and looking at the responses Sep 08 07:11:57 240 is too much for a device that might never be updated again Sep 08 07:12:02 gotcha Sep 08 07:12:03 and yeah the installer image is basically like a linux rescue cd or floppy that way Sep 08 07:12:18 so in theory you can make that image do w/e Sep 08 07:12:23 destinal - yeah, I suppose I needed to have all the "unknown" devices on the usb filter so it was receiving the signal Sep 08 07:12:32 neat Sep 08 07:12:53 Timmy - you haven't tried the frankenpre yet? Sep 08 07:13:11 nah...just upgrade to 2.1.0 Sep 08 07:13:20 is WebOS 2.0 working on the pixi? Sep 08 07:13:28 Hobbz-: yeah IIRC the different usb ID's are like bootie has one for each device, standard linux has one for each device, and maybe the installer has one for each device Sep 08 07:13:33 I forget whether it's really two or three Sep 08 07:14:09 and then of course the OMAP has its own but you don't need that unless you want to boot without having bootie on flash Sep 08 07:14:22 65% complete now... down to 4 hours of sleep before work, may as well see it to the end lol Sep 08 07:14:34 ha Sep 08 07:14:54 destinal: and there's one for qualcomm too which would let us boot without bootie on flash but we don't know how to use it yet Sep 08 07:15:01 err Hobbz- ^ Sep 08 07:15:06 stupid autocomplete :) Sep 08 07:15:24 how do you auto-complete yourself? :) Sep 08 07:15:47 apparently just hitting tab by itself did it, weird Sep 08 07:16:01 FatTire: I do it all the time. Sep 08 07:16:12 |:P Sep 08 07:17:32 well Timmy - the hardware part of the conversion was a piece of cake compared to this aspect =) Sep 08 07:18:00 hmm..that's good to know Sep 08 07:18:25 carefully follow the dis-assembly process in the pictures and it works fine Sep 08 07:18:40 yeah Sep 08 07:19:12 doctor is done and there's a nice, big penguin on the Pre2 screen Sep 08 07:23:19 :) Sep 08 07:32:56 strange, I placed a phone call to my home phone and hte screen went black Sep 08 07:33:10 call went through, just nothing on screen lol Sep 08 07:34:12 odd Sep 08 07:37:30 yep - every time I place a phone call, the screen goes black and is non-responsive Sep 08 07:38:06 ouch Sep 08 07:38:35 Hobbz-: what version of webos were you running prior? Sep 08 07:38:46 on the pre Sep 08 07:38:56 it's a new Pre2 out of the box... I was using a Pre v1.4.5 Sep 08 07:39:45 dirty proximity sensor? Sep 08 07:39:49 yeah think so Sep 08 07:39:49 Vic_Sage-TheQues: the official word is no webOs 2 for pixi... i dout the hard ware could keep up with it Sep 08 07:40:07 oil: It just occurred to me the proximity sensor isn't polled until you make a call Sep 08 07:40:10 my friends pre started doing that when he dropped it and the front cracked Sep 08 07:40:22 Hobbz-: try it with a headset in Sep 08 07:40:26 the processor on the veer is only 800mhz Sep 08 07:40:34 huh... ok Sep 08 07:40:35 the pixi is 550mhz Sep 08 07:40:40 it wont do the proximity sensor screen black thing when using a headset Sep 08 07:40:57 not much difference there once you overclock Sep 08 07:41:02 which is the proximity sensor? Sep 08 07:41:06 Vic_Sage-TheQues: i thorght it was also a diffrent gen proceser in the veer Sep 08 07:41:14 idk, its inside the screen facing out? Sep 08 07:41:23 in the black part around the ear piece i think Sep 08 07:41:54 great catch - headset jack in and the screen is fine Sep 08 07:42:02 now to clean the sensor... if I can Sep 08 07:42:06 Hobbz-: "You can find the sensor if you hold the phone horizontally at eye level and look near a glare. To the right (when it's held upright) of the ear piece are two small sensors. They look like small metal squares with a black circle in the middle" Sep 08 07:42:07 whoops the pixi is 600mhz Sep 08 07:42:12 try just cleaning hte screen first Sep 08 07:43:00 but i've never heard of one not working Sep 08 07:43:06 the veer is 800mhz Sep 08 07:43:07 I just removed the protective film before using lol Sep 08 07:43:10 (unless its been dropped a bunch or something) Sep 08 07:43:24 Hobbz-: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/213914-proximity-sensor-location-issue-fix.html Sep 08 07:43:36 they say cut a hole in the screen protector if using one Sep 08 07:43:41 over the prox sensor Sep 08 07:44:06 I don't know if this is rlelvant but I have a Optimus S that is 600mhz that has no problem running at 768mhz Sep 08 07:44:19 destinal: idk if thats where it is on the pre2 Sep 08 07:44:36 top right that is Sep 08 07:44:46 i dont have a bright light handy, but i seem to remember seeing it on the left Sep 08 07:44:55 ah yeah might have moved Sep 08 07:45:41 I'll have to monkey with that later I suppose... I was just googling that myself, thanks for the info Sep 08 07:45:58 but at least you can still use it with a headset or bluetooth Sep 08 07:47:04 Vic_Sage-TheQues: the pixi is a 600 MHz ARM 11 processor, and veer is 800 MHz Scorpion processor, Sep 08 07:47:53 yeah so it looks to me like the pixi could keep up with web os 2.0 Sep 08 07:48:09 true, oil Sep 08 07:48:21 the Scorpion are newer procesers so maybe only 200MHz in bus speed but they are diffrent architectures Sep 08 07:48:57 Vic_Sage-TheQues: talk to NuttyBunny about that Sep 08 07:49:04 (not here atm) Sep 08 07:49:13 but im pretty sure he was working on 2.x on pixi stuff Sep 08 07:49:35 the Veer also has a newer GPU Sep 08 07:50:32 I have no idea what changes were made between 1. and 2. webOS though Sep 08 07:52:31 Hobbz-: so was it a screen protector causing your issue? Sep 08 07:52:59 good luck Hobbz- Sep 08 07:53:04 no, I'm not sure what it was. there was nothing on the screen Sep 08 07:57:12 thanks again for your help... gonna get 3 hours of sleep before starting a long day heh Sep 08 09:24:36 bonjour a tous Sep 08 09:25:08 je cherche des infos sur le preware a installer Sep 08 09:26:03 si une personne pouvait me uider et me renseigner ce serait gentil ^^ Sep 08 09:33:17 personne ? Sep 08 09:36:49 jojox, tu parle en anglais? Sep 08 09:37:00 a little Sep 08 09:37:32 ok, have you seen the instructions at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware ? Sep 08 09:37:39 i search a aplcation working for messenger live Sep 08 09:37:47 ahh, windows messenger Sep 08 09:38:19 WOSI hasn't made anything for windows messenger, but there are some homebrew things for it, what device do you have? Sep 08 09:38:21 yes Sep 08 09:39:04 have you a name homebrew workin,g ? Sep 08 09:39:16 im+ is working ? Sep 08 09:41:25 there is no messenger thingie for touchpad, amirite? just for the small screens? Sep 08 09:41:31 preware doesnt exist web site for see applications ? Sep 08 09:51:47 I think there is an app in the app cat for the TP Sep 08 09:52:16 as far as the small screen, if you search on preCentral for Messaging Plugins you should find them Sep 08 09:53:03 i see nothing on the site precentral Sep 08 09:53:19 what device do you have? Sep 08 09:53:24 Pre? Pre2? Touchpad? Sep 08 09:53:49 touchpad ^^ Sep 08 09:54:19 idesire see my email & chat via messenger ^^ Sep 08 09:54:40 via webos email impossible configure for hotmail ^^ Sep 08 09:55:02 ahh, you don't want the messaging plugins then... those are for the phones I think Sep 08 09:55:40 As far as getting it built into the regular messenger, I don't think there is a way yet, but I think there is an app in the app catalog for using Windows Messenger... I don't know the name of it though Sep 08 09:55:40 only plugging for tp Sep 08 09:57:21 i hope android coming soon fot tp Sep 08 09:57:49 on android messenger & reading email directly is working i hope ^^ Sep 08 09:58:05 I have never heard of any issues with Hotmail on the Touchpad Sep 08 09:58:39 ??? Sep 08 09:58:51 you reading now your email hotmail on the tp ? Sep 08 09:59:08 I don't have a hotmail account, but I have never heard of anyone having issues with it Sep 08 09:59:21 no is no working Sep 08 09:59:31 only gmail & more working Sep 08 09:59:36 no hotmail Sep 08 09:59:49 unfortunately I can't help you with that :( Sep 08 10:00:17 no soucy thx for your help & chat ^^ Sep 08 10:01:10 & one question Sep 08 10:01:15 so no synergy messaging plugins on the tp :/ Sep 08 10:02:44 ok pierre Sep 08 10:03:05 is necessary to install preware for working this application ? Sep 08 10:04:20 apparently is working only pre3 Sep 08 10:09:07 totally. Sep 08 10:09:14 its homebrew-stuff Sep 08 10:09:53 ok & you are solution for divx movies Sep 08 10:10:09 kalemplayer is good ? Sep 08 10:11:56 I personally use ffmpeg on my desktop and re-encode them ;) Sep 08 10:12:04 they just need to be in an AVI container Sep 08 10:12:39 yes i have more logiciels encoding i desire just copy directly my divx on the hp Sep 08 10:14:28 http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/downloads2.html Sep 08 12:02:14 i want to install preware on my hp tocuhpad but i get an error everytime :/ Sep 08 12:02:26 i download preware with quickinstall and want to install it Sep 08 12:02:34 then just "error (0)" appears Sep 08 12:03:44 no one hat this problem? Sep 08 12:04:31 had* :_< Sep 08 12:10:10 ERROR1: Connection refused: connect -> ERROR: No device found. Sep 08 12:15:03 don't hit usb storage mode Sep 08 12:16:39 and make sure the device is in developer mode Sep 08 12:16:46 and follow the instructions Sep 08 12:16:51 http://install.preware.org Sep 08 12:17:47 i did Sep 08 12:19:59 evtl: are you following http://bit.ly/phd-ac, including the links to troubleshooting threads? Sep 08 12:20:55 thanks for the site :) Sep 08 12:49:27 Hi All Sep 08 12:58:49 Is there an existing meta-doctor distribution for installing ubuntu on the touchpad? Sep 08 12:59:34 i dont think so, its not legal Sep 08 12:59:43 I see Sep 08 12:59:54 Guess I'll just have to go get my Macbook from the office then Sep 08 12:59:56 =) Sep 08 13:00:04 :) Sep 08 13:01:35 Just got a mail from the BHome devs saying they're going to add DLNA controller support, which is good, means I don't have to bother coding it. :) Sep 08 14:24:06 does there exist a DNLA client for touchpad? Sep 08 14:24:28 Yea Sep 08 14:24:36 BHome Sep 08 14:24:45 I think Sep 08 14:24:58 cool..commercial or community? Sep 08 14:25:09 what? Sep 08 14:25:13 and UPnP AV Player, both have free trail versions Sep 08 14:25:27 nice Sep 08 14:25:34 Mmhmm. Idk if UPnP is DNLA, but its very similar Sep 08 14:25:48 I prefer BHome, but I dont have AV Player Sep 08 14:25:57 BHome is DLNA Sep 08 14:26:09 UPnP is DLAN. DLAN is the standardisiced verion of UPnP Sep 08 14:26:20 i tried kalem with my nas mounted through cifs but it seems kalem needs a reformat of fat32 to ext3 first? Sep 08 14:26:29 I got an e-mail from them this morning as I want a DLNA controller - apparently that will be added in a new version soon... which is great as it means I don't have to code 1 :) Sep 08 14:26:42 Kalem requires a external hosting program Sep 08 14:27:20 Bhome needs to work on how they distribute their trial app Sep 08 14:27:23 is it possible to play 1080p mkv on TP? Sep 08 14:27:38 YeahRight, it lags due to no hardware acceleration for MKV files Sep 08 14:27:39 hardware can deal with that cant it? Sep 08 14:27:52 Only supported file formats are GPU accelerated Sep 08 14:28:05 Abyssul : can this be fixed with software? Sep 08 14:28:18 By Palm, not app developers Sep 08 14:28:27 Yeahright: Why not get a DMR and use the TP to browse the media, but stream it from your media server to your TV/Stereo? Sep 08 14:28:55 I can change one value in the BHome app to make it a full version... Sep 08 14:29:05 think I should send them a email? lol Sep 08 14:29:12 rofl Sep 08 14:29:40 Please say it's not as simple as a config file: "TrialVersion=1" Sep 08 14:29:42 DMR = media player i guess? yeah that'll do too but i like it as flexible as possible..for ex watching the TP in bed ;-) Sep 08 14:29:46 Yea it is Sep 08 14:29:54 EnableDemoMode = true; Sep 08 14:30:11 ex? Sep 08 14:30:12 lol..thats in a config file? Sep 08 14:30:20 example Sep 08 14:30:27 DMR = Digital media renderer, bit more advanced than a media player (which is also in the DLNA spec) - supports things like "Play to" etc Sep 08 14:30:29 Abyssul, please don't tell people how to avoid copy protection in this channel Sep 08 14:30:33 that is your one and only warning Sep 08 14:30:36 Im not talking anymore about hwo to do it. Thats flowned on Sep 08 14:30:42 I knwo cryptk Sep 08 14:30:43 Abyssul: OM that's poor! Sep 08 14:30:52 s/OM/OMG/ Sep 08 14:30:53 haydn meant: Abyssul: OMG that's poor! Sep 08 14:31:09 ah..i wasnt familiar yet with that definition haydn..thanks for elaborating Sep 08 14:31:11 oooh thanks infobot - nothing like stating the obvious! Sep 08 14:31:51 e.g: a PS3 is a digital media player (can't use Play to)... which kinda sucks :( Sep 08 14:31:57 and yes Abyssul you should probably tell that to the dev if you feel like being a good samaritan Sep 08 14:32:16 right Sep 08 14:32:23 Trying to find their email... Sep 08 14:32:31 just ordered a new DMR yesterday from Hong Kong, got an e-mail this morning saying "item dispacted, expected delivery 7-21 days"... ick! Sep 08 14:32:50 i guess my new still sealed Dune (which i maybe sell again) would be a DMR Sep 08 14:33:00 info(at)bluestarsoftware.de Sep 08 14:33:02 Do I get my warning back if I report it? :p Sep 08 14:34:06 YeahRight: Not sure, I did ask on AVForums and someone said they couldn't find any info re: Dune as to whether it supported play to or not. Anything with a Realtek 1185 chipset should be good though Sep 08 14:34:54 Abyssul, nope... you don't get the warning back ;) Sep 08 14:34:58 only time takes those away Sep 08 14:35:06 i'll check the chipset again..it's Dune DUO introduced this year..should be pretty high end Sep 08 14:35:07 dont do anything bad until I forget about this one ;) Sep 08 14:35:17 Abyssul: that e-mail address above is for BHome, may want to specify BHome in your mail though as they do a number of products Sep 08 14:35:33 Lol. I found their email via About in the app Sep 08 14:36:07 Im not worryed about the warning.. o.O Sep 08 14:36:14 Ask them about using BHome as a DLNA controller at the same time - it may speed up their dev time for it ;P Sep 08 14:36:37 Alright Sep 08 14:36:52 Abyssul, you are now warned about warnings and how you should be cautious of warnings about warnings... failure to be warned by a warning will result in a warning Sep 08 14:36:52 ;) Sep 08 14:37:17 that was a joke btw... just in case you didn't catch it ;) Sep 08 14:38:43 * EdCates taps microphone Sep 08 14:38:48 Is this thing on? Sep 08 14:38:53 hola EdCates !!! Sep 08 14:39:14 I got the joke :p Sep 08 14:39:29 Howdy, cryptk! Sep 08 14:39:53 EdCates, sent ya a /msg Sep 08 14:41:30 Email sent Sep 08 14:43:42 Man, I'm going to have to reacquaint myself with teh Relay Chatz. ;-) Sep 08 14:43:43 * haydn thinks he should start coding a dlna controller anyway just in case BHome don't do it... Sep 08 14:45:24 Oh wow. BHome allows you to import files from your DNLA server Sep 08 14:45:37 Too bad Win7 doesnt allow native transcoding Sep 08 14:47:53 if i use bluetooth the TP sees my laptop Sep 08 14:48:03 but what can i do with it? ;-) Sep 08 14:48:12 it just pairs Sep 08 14:48:29 Create an app or software that takes advantage of that. Sep 08 14:48:36 but how to actually get any functionality out of this? Sep 08 14:48:54 should webos have that since it recognizes the laptop? Sep 08 14:51:01 about those 1080p mkv...if there will be an android port that port should be able to play them natively? just for my understanding Sep 08 14:51:30 Depends how well they get it ported Sep 08 14:51:34 ok Sep 08 14:51:36 i dont really understand why HP didnt include support for more codecs/containers... Sep 08 14:51:38 Its all ifs at this point Sep 08 14:51:48 i understand Sep 08 14:52:00 but its solely an OS/software thing then Sep 08 14:52:03 Most OS dont have that much support for codecs, even windows and such Sep 08 14:52:15 You would need 3rd party apps for it Sep 08 14:52:20 (ex VLC) Sep 08 14:52:28 yeah well that suits me too ;) Sep 08 14:52:29 iOS is the same Sep 08 14:52:29 YeahRight: webOS just has the overall feel of something people worked very hard on, but hastily wrapped up once the writing was on the wall Sep 08 14:52:39 but i guess that doesnt exist (yet) either on webos Sep 08 14:52:50 izza : right Sep 08 14:54:39 Seems like most of the late development efforts have been focused on Enyo. Sep 08 14:55:41 And probably some other framework components (db8, node.js services, etc) and the Enyo app rewrites. Sep 08 14:56:05 WTF is Palm Eurostore up to?!? Got an e-mail this morning saying they've cancelled my order for a Pre3 and will be providing a refund... I've already received the Pre3 and sold it on! errrr.... Sep 08 14:57:17 Hola Patrick Sep 08 14:58:01 Would be interesting to see if additional codec support could be added by building the appropriate gstreamer pluins. Sep 08 14:58:08 What would you do if you got a refund for something you actually received? Sep 08 14:58:45 let the store figure it out.. Sep 08 14:58:51 (they prob will anyway) Sep 08 14:59:15 mberg: gstreamer? Sep 08 14:59:50 The underlying multimedia framework. Sep 08 15:00:50 Any idea how long do they have before they can't ask for the money back? (I'm in UK so I guess even if you guys did know it'd be US law) Sep 08 15:01:30 Seems that palm/hp build the ffmpeg component with relatively limited codec support. Possibly they did that for licensing reasons or because they didn't have hardware acceleration in place for other formats. Sep 08 15:02:37 Might not be easy or possible to get playback for other video codecs in easily, but additional container formats (e.g. matroska or ogg) should be doable. Sep 08 15:07:14 Are the any terminal emulators for WebOS 3? Sep 08 15:07:44 SDLTerminal from preware wont' download Sep 08 15:07:49 fenfir: there's the xterm stuff under Xecutah and SDLTerm and terminus Sep 08 15:08:11 xecutah + xserver + xterm (SDLTerm and terminus don't work) Sep 08 15:08:13 its pretty shitty Sep 08 15:08:18 there needs to be a real terminal app Sep 08 15:08:48 I think thats going to be my project this evening then. Sep 08 15:09:48 destinal: any progress with 2.2 on legacy (pre2)? Sep 08 15:09:50 Thanks for the tips, that's pretty much the conclusion I'd come to, but figured I would ask before spending a bunch of time reinventing the wheel Sep 08 15:10:08 I checked the repo last night, didn't see any major things Sep 08 15:10:47 fenfir: oh? which route were you planning on looking at? native binary and drawing graphics ie SDL? or hybrid javascript DOM based front end with native back end ie what was done with QuickOffice? Sep 08 15:11:45 fenfir: I worked on an app just called "Terminal" that included an NPAPI plugin, back before SDL came out for palm pre, but the interface it used was unstable and kept getting broken by new webos releases Sep 08 15:12:27 destinal: I don't know yet, going to be researching tonight. I'm going to take a look at SDLTerm and see if any of that is usable. Sep 08 15:13:00 fenfir: terminal could potentially be fixed but I don't know that NPAPI is the best way to go overall Sep 08 15:13:03 From what I saw on the forums, you can get SDLterminal to install if you grab the ipk and do it manually, but the app doesn't quite work ATM. From the log entries people posted, seems it's not properly built to run jailed. Sep 08 15:13:38 Do we have GTK ported yet? Sep 08 15:14:38 mberg: I'd also found some similar sentiments earlier, thats why I was thinking of trying to tweak SDLTerm Sep 08 15:14:58 oclet: hey now it is what it is--xterm running in a ported xserver. what's shitty, keyboard support? too much 'overhead'? Sep 08 15:15:13 fenfir: yeah sdlterm sounds like a great starting point Sep 08 15:15:32 can't imagine there's anything all that fundamnetally different that isn't a short fix/easy to hack around Sep 08 15:15:36 I wish I had more time to mess around with it myself, but I have no experience with SDL and have a million other projects. Sep 08 15:15:58 mberg: same here, but now I'll have a million +1 Sep 08 15:16:02 Heh. Sep 08 15:16:11 mberg: it would be hard to imagine a terminal that worked great while jailed, I don't even think there are pty devices Sep 08 15:16:21 dtzWill: how does xterm get around that btw? Sep 08 15:16:40 destinal, xterm doesn't run in a jail Sep 08 15:16:45 dtzWill: I find xterm fine on Pre3 - apparently it's awkward on TP though as the virtual keyboard covers the bottom of the terminal where you want to type Sep 08 15:16:48 ah ok should have figured Sep 08 15:17:15 haydn, set the keyboard to XS... if you want the keyboard larger than that then you can adjust it in tweaks Sep 08 15:17:20 For my immediate needs, I'm happy to have gotten xserver + ubuntu-chroot installed. At least for travel LXDE + some terminals is a usable working environment. Sep 08 15:17:23 set xterm to use a M keyboard for instance Sep 08 15:17:59 crytk: I don't have a TP yet so all good with the physical KB for me ;P Sep 08 15:18:44 (I just disable the OSK for X and use the BT keyboard (and synergy, when I' Sep 08 15:18:47 I was jsut clarifying that it is adjustable Sep 08 15:18:53 ergh.. "when I'm at my desk". Sep 08 15:19:15 mberg: yeah, the bt keyboard works nicely, use it a bunch myself :) Sep 08 15:19:36 dtzWill: did issues like lack of escape key get worked out? Sep 08 15:19:39 i was seriously asking if there was some way the xserver/xterm solution was glaringly deficient that i didn't know of :/ Sep 08 15:19:54 destinal: every key on the bt works except for escape. Sep 08 15:19:57 I need to downgrade my usb driver to get my phones working over USB... really cba Sep 08 15:20:10 shift works in almost all cases, it just doesn't act like a modifier, but no one's complained about that yet >_> :) Sep 08 15:20:23 destinal: and escape doesn't work b/c we have to go under luna to get that keypress Sep 08 15:20:25 Anyone installed the novacom drivers on OSX? Sep 08 15:20:43 I just did the installation but the doctor is failing to detect the device Sep 08 15:20:58 dtzWill: I wonder if we could hook directly into hidd Sep 08 15:21:18 what does Luna try to do with esc? Sep 08 15:21:31 destinal: yes, that's the kind of thing it'll come to. confirmed the kernel events (via 'showkey') fire for escape, so worst case we have that Sep 08 15:21:32 zomg: anything in the logs? (not that I have OSX, but it's unix like) Sep 08 15:21:42 destinal: not sure, tbh. it just refuses to pass it along? lol Sep 08 15:21:49 maybe it's cardview mode button or something Sep 08 15:22:14 so there's that issue too---if we 'get' escape, we'd need to do something to prevent luna from seeing it and going into card mode Sep 08 15:22:17 yeah main thing I was worried about is whether it causes some other effect, fighting Luna for it would suck, but if it just ignores it then that would be fine Sep 08 15:22:23 ah so yeah, that Sep 08 15:22:27 destinal: yeah :/ Sep 08 15:22:44 that's why it isn't supported yet. not like any other terminal solution wouldn't have those problems grumble :P Sep 08 15:22:50 its the notification button Sep 08 15:23:00 halfhalo: ah, ty. Sep 08 15:23:05 haydn: nothing really. think I'll just try booting it first Sep 08 15:23:07 lame Sep 08 15:23:21 * halfhalo says just completely steal it from luna. Sep 08 15:23:35 The missing escape is my only sadness wrt the X solution. I need my vi. Sep 08 15:24:05 halfhalo: right that would be ok but how? either kernel hacking or some kind of hidd plugin shim thing would be needed Sep 08 15:24:42 destinal I honestly have _no_ idea. Sep 08 15:25:22 easiest way would be kernel, just transform its keycode and then make our software remap whatever it is to escape, but it seems ugly Sep 08 15:25:35 mberg: control+c works, else use your vimrc to map something to escape :/. Sep 08 15:25:45 (but yes, it's an unfortunately popular issue) Sep 08 15:27:01 err popular key, making it an issue Sep 08 15:28:01 I'm out for now. Hopefully I'll be back this evening with good news. Sep 08 15:28:06 haydn: seems restarting novacomd fixed it (using sudo /opt/nova/bin/stop-novacomd and then start-novacomd) Sep 08 15:29:00 dtzWill: how does one use meta+(insert key) on the TP for xterm? Sep 08 15:29:46 zomg: if using upstart / running ubuntu just "stop palm-novacom; start palm-novacom" is slightly easaier (or is it palm-novacomd -- with a d on the end, I forget) Sep 08 15:30:44 PatrickC: haha, i think your question can be reduced to 'why doesn't insert key work at all', no? Sep 08 15:30:56 and answer is because my hp bt doesn't ahve it and no one's requsted it yet. Sep 08 15:31:08 (or does insert actually work?) Sep 08 15:31:13 destinal: on OS X :) Sep 08 15:31:18 well, mainly I'm looking for the equipment of "cntrl + c" on my desktop :) Sep 08 15:31:19 destinal: zomg's using OSX, keep up! =P Sep 08 15:31:38 PatrickC: oh, the vkb doesn't have those keys so they're not "supported" Sep 08 15:31:44 equivalent* Sep 08 15:31:49 haydn: ahh yeah that changes it a bit lol Sep 08 15:32:02 what about when the BT keyboard is connected? Sep 08 15:32:07 so w/o a bt keyboard, x (and therefore xterm) is significantly less usable Sep 08 15:32:14 can there be a special key mapping? Sep 08 15:32:17 PatrickC: well if you have a bt keyboard you just hit cotnrol+c like normal Sep 08 15:32:23 dtzWill: what about bt controller support in snes/gba emu? :) Sep 08 15:32:26 not on the HP one ;) Sep 08 15:32:39 or does the HP one work like that? Sep 08 15:32:49 hmm has anyone gotten a controller paired to the palm proprietary bt stack? Sep 08 15:32:50 PatrickC: my hp bt has a control button Sep 08 15:32:57 destinal: idk Sep 08 15:32:58 (and it's supported, yes) Sep 08 15:33:10 dtzWill: ah Sep 08 15:33:27 destinal: there is a controller icon in the bluetooth app Sep 08 15:33:34 so the control button on it (that normally makes the symbols pop up) works that way? cool! Sep 08 15:33:50 Yeah, should get used to using CTRL-C. Remapping would be useful for local, but I spend more time sshed to remote hosts. Sep 08 15:34:06 PatrickC: i've never seen it pop symbols up, but i mostly use the keyboard for X :) Sep 08 15:34:16 PatrickC: to be clear there's a button labelled 'control' Sep 08 15:34:44 dtzWill: that's the one I was referring to :) Sep 08 15:34:51 and I use it all the time Sep 08 15:39:16 ATTENTION: Just got a mail from HP, AZERTY Pre 3 going on sale at 17:00 today apparently! http://images.luzernsolutions.com/images/palm-bundle/hp-pre3-bundle-eng-web.html Sep 08 15:39:33 what timezone Sep 08 15:39:36 That's in 25 minutes Sep 08 15:40:12 £170 off contract seems reasonable, shame it's AZERTY Sep 08 15:40:20 *posting in forums* Sep 08 15:42:48 It makes me sad to think that someday I'll likely need to give up my Pre2 for a non-WebOS phone. Sep 08 15:43:41 I went from Pre- to Pre3... hopefully my Pre3 will last as long as my Pre- did Sep 08 15:44:50 mberg, thats why I have a backup Pre2. I can go 4 years on webOS Sep 08 15:45:29 Tempted to pick up a Pre3 if I can find one, make the Pre2 my fallback. Sep 08 15:45:32 Abyssul_: you better make a mirror of the app store etc then ;P Sep 08 15:45:54 Who said webOS is gone? No need to make declarations when HP doesnt even know what to do with us Sep 08 15:46:44 I'm a bit cynical about HP right now. Hoping to be surprised. Sep 08 15:46:52 Same. Sep 08 15:46:59 I can't imagine it will completely die anyway, even if nobody licenses it surely HP would open source it or something eventually rather than just binning it Sep 08 15:47:23 It's definitely not going into the trash. Sep 08 15:47:55 Maybe yesterday's revelation about Google being "more open source" with some partners vs. others with Android will drive more interest in webOS licensing. Sep 08 15:48:04 What would they care if they were no longer making WebOS hardware or supporting any mobile OS if there was a good open source option out there? (talking last resort here of course) Sep 08 15:48:08 Maybe there's a glorious surprise. Something big, like Amazon adopting WebOS instead of Andorid. But I'm not holding my breath. Sep 08 15:49:20 Gah. Sep 08 15:49:50 Why didn't this forum post I'm following to install the ubuntu chroot mention anything about using special flags on the meta-doctor to enable ext3fs >_> Sep 08 15:50:15 Is it mentioned in the webos-internals wiki, zomg? Sep 08 15:50:25 Actually, I suppose worst case scenario would be HP selling Palm to Apple or someone to claw some money back, they'd be happy with the patents but would kill WebOS for sure :( Sep 08 15:50:51 Yeah, Apple would be close to the Worst Case Scenario. Sep 08 15:51:19 Probably even more cruel than just killing it outright. Sep 08 15:51:33 I think Apple owning Palm's patents would be A Very Bad Thing for competition in the mobile space. Sep 08 15:51:42 agreed Sep 08 15:52:03 13 minutes until Palm eurostores servers crash ;P Sep 08 15:52:09 EdCates: yeah.. I stumbled upon the wiki page only after trying to figure out why mounting the ext3fs is failing Sep 08 15:52:55 I dont need to backup the App Catalog. Just package up my current apps into an ipk Sep 08 15:53:20 I just can't imagine what the hell they were thinking. They /knew/ it was a long-term investment. They said as much. Sep 08 15:53:57 Abyssul_: I was thinking more along the lines of activation etc for your next phones... Sep 08 15:54:26 You could activate without Hp supporting webOS Sep 08 15:54:36 Only thing is Palm Profile Sep 08 15:54:39 and App Catalog Sep 08 15:54:58 Rod has said that the need for the profile can be done away with with a patch. Sep 08 15:55:06 nice Sep 08 15:55:30 * haydn wonders why he sold his spare Pre3 Sep 08 15:55:41 Yeah... Why did you... Sep 08 15:56:07 It went to webos-internals, if someone useful didn't want it I would have kept it Sep 08 15:56:50 Even if they questioned their ability to execute first class competitive hardware, they could easily license (even existing) hardware designs from someone like HTC. Sep 08 15:57:09 Meh. Id rather have Samsung Sep 08 15:57:17 Well, you gave it to a good cause haydn. That's commendable. Sep 08 15:57:24 I always liked my Treo's :) Sep 08 15:57:35 I'd rather have hardware. From anyone. :) Sep 08 15:58:01 not from anyone Sep 08 15:58:06 I don't want an LG webOS device Sep 08 16:00:00 Another big missed opportunity for building an install base was not transitioning their thin clients over to WebOS. Sep 08 16:01:58 (A market that they lead in, and already ship a proprietary Linux variant on. Would have cut internal duplication and guaranteed a market for enterprise apps.) Sep 08 16:05:48 AZERTY pre 3 now in stock at palm eurostore!! Sep 08 16:06:03 frankenlayout Sep 08 16:06:04 :P Sep 08 16:06:30 and.. there goes the palm site Sep 08 16:06:36 Lol Sep 08 16:06:38 KaBOOM Sep 08 16:06:50 destinal: I'm wondering how long it will last this time Sep 08 16:06:55 haydn: any idea whether it's only UK shipping? Sep 08 16:07:01 I hope they made AT&T Pre3's and will sell them eventually... Sep 08 16:07:05 but not holding my breath Sep 08 16:07:06 Does Slickdeals know? Sep 08 16:08:16 desitnal: Looks like Europe shipping only :( Sep 08 16:10:04 Here's the list: Sep 08 16:10:06 Sep 08 16:10:06 Sep 08 16:10:06 Sep 08 16:10:06 Sep 08 16:10:06 Sep 08 16:10:07 Sep 08 16:10:09 Sep 08 16:10:11 Sep 08 16:10:13 Sep 08 16:10:15 Sep 08 16:10:19 Sep 08 16:10:21 Sep 08 16:10:23 Sep 08 16:10:25 Sep 08 16:10:27 Sep 08 16:10:29 Sep 08 16:10:41 could have pastebin'd that... Sep 08 16:13:05 nah man, pastebin is dangerous these days Sep 08 16:13:14 * EdCates needs to skedaddle and pay more attention to Ye Olde Day Jobbe. Later! Sep 08 16:13:37 getting an error message not allowing me to download the content of any emails, anyone has any idea Sep 08 16:14:00 Pleun: lol Sep 08 16:14:01 use your facebook wall instead of pastebin, it's much more annoying! Sep 08 16:14:11 wrea, it's not code - that's the countries you can order a Pre3 from palm eurostore, yes I could have sed'ed out the <>'s and put it on 1 line... but don't want to slow people down if they're frantically trying to order Sep 08 16:18:42 anyone run into such email issues Sep 08 16:19:20 Bb_: read about that on Twitter Sep 08 16:19:34 heyho. problem with the TouchPad. when i copy photos on my gf's TP, the app simply doesnt recognize. on my TP, everything just fine. even after a reboot or sth, the app just shows nothing.... Sep 08 16:20:01 Internalz shows all folders and images Sep 08 16:20:28 try to hide the folder the photos are in (put a dot before it) and then unhide it Sep 08 16:20:28 probably a database error? Sep 08 16:20:34 k Sep 08 16:20:36 i'll try Sep 08 16:21:21 Bb_: not sure, try to delete and readd the email account / you're on a TP, right? Sep 08 16:21:39 thx pcworld Sep 08 16:21:39 yay. veer refurb arrived Sep 08 16:21:40 works!! Sep 08 16:22:09 Fuu_: media indexer is a really strange thing Sep 08 16:22:30 i really tried everything Sep 08 16:22:36 nothing worked Sep 08 16:22:46 and then that simple tip... bam, works Sep 08 16:22:48 :D Sep 08 16:23:16 hm Sep 08 16:23:24 and Internalz doesnt know Sep 08 16:24:07 seems like canadians dont need those letters..... Sep 08 16:24:08 Fuu_: the media indexer could have indexed them before they were fully copied, and wrote in the db that they're corrupt/no photos Sep 08 16:24:09 ;P Sep 08 16:24:17 ok Sep 08 16:24:26 but i tried different folders Sep 08 16:24:27 names Sep 08 16:24:27 etc Sep 08 16:25:58 I see only some boxes in your Internalz msg in wIRC Sep 08 16:26:26 Hmmm, I wonder if you could run Minecraft on ubuntu on touchpad... =) Sep 08 16:27:25 zomg: ZOMG!! Sep 08 16:28:30 zomg, only if you have ia32-libs compiled for armel Sep 08 16:28:53 I don't even know what ia32-libs is but okay :] Sep 08 16:29:28 With my elite nix skills I probably will fail quite spectacularily if I attempt something like that Sep 08 16:34:24 is there a possibility to "reload" the db Sep 08 16:34:46 the photos error remains, i have tohide/unhide every new album. Sep 08 16:35:15 and if i rename a folder, the album exists twice, old folder name and new one Sep 08 16:41:05 oh ffs :| Sep 08 16:41:35 for those advocating samsung buy webOS, it looks like they're planning to buy meego instead http://www.usamarketnews.com/featured/6037/samsung-setting-up-to-go-with-meego-os.html Sep 08 16:41:38 Two times in the row getting "curl(18) transfer closed with bytes remaining to read" when trying to install Ubuntu Chroot from Preware Sep 08 16:41:59 Is this some sort of an automatic timeout somewhere? Sep 08 16:42:02 zomg: try on wifi? else download the ipk manually and point preware at it Sep 08 16:42:12 Yeah I'm on wifi Sep 08 16:42:13 zomg: not sure re:default dl timeouts Sep 08 16:42:48 Guess I'll try downloading it manually then Sep 08 16:43:59 i have 5000 condoms to sell. Sep 08 16:43:59 ebay here i come.. Sep 08 16:44:25 zefyx: BNIB or used? Sep 08 16:44:45 zefyx: you should staple instructions to them Sep 08 17:02:29 Hey everyone. Let me know if I am in the wrong place - I'm hunting through a PalmDatabase.db3 file and trying to extract the text messages. I found the correct table (FolderEntry) but I notice that there is no "to" address field for sent messages and the fromAddress field is empty for those messages. The firstName and lastName fields are empty for every record so that isn't a help Sep 08 17:02:29 either. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Sep 08 17:04:27 what are you trying to do? Sep 08 17:04:31 back up the texts? Sep 08 17:04:48 Is there something wrong with this http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot_11.04-3_arm.ipk Sep 08 17:04:54 I need to produce them for an attorney for a case Sep 08 17:05:00 No matter what I use to download it, it just dies before it finishes Sep 08 17:05:27 Tried via preware, tried via wget on device, tried via browser on PC Sep 08 17:05:39 BeBoo_: umm... I'm not sure Sep 08 17:06:31 zomg: does -c work with wget? Sep 08 17:06:39 BeBoo_: this is the right channel though Sep 08 17:07:25 booto: I'll try although I doubt it since it failed to resume on PC Sep 08 17:07:36 •PatrickC• thank you. I got the messages just fine and it looks great except the attorney asked where the "to" was... I found a python script that extracts but it doesn't work and it also doesn't seem to show the "to" either. Sep 08 17:07:53 First I'm gonna pair my BT keyboard because there's no way I'm typing that again on the touch keyboard :D Sep 08 17:07:56 I'll wait to see if anyone else has any ideas Sep 08 17:08:20 zomg: you need to novaterm into the tp Sep 08 17:08:32 linuxjacques: ? Sep 08 17:08:57 I can't believe you are typing that line in Sep 08 17:09:10 hehe Sep 08 17:09:14 novater into the tp then paste the line Sep 08 17:09:16 zomg: use novaterm on the desktop! lol Sep 08 17:09:17 wanted to see how well the keyboard is suited for that :P Sep 08 17:09:25 lol Sep 08 17:09:28 about equally poorly as the iPad's it seems Sep 08 17:09:41 although it seems decent as long as you don't need to type special chars all the time Sep 08 17:12:34 the keyboard is quite awesome, but, I do agree about the special chars Sep 08 17:12:42 sometimes its very hard to find them Sep 08 17:13:49 Hmm Sep 08 17:13:54 BT keyboard not pairing Sep 08 17:14:00 most dont. Sep 08 17:14:03 I wonder if the problem is that the keyboard is Apple Sep 08 17:14:04 :p Sep 08 17:14:07 its locked to PRE/palm ones Sep 08 17:14:15 ive heard apples pair Sep 08 17:14:16 tbh Sep 08 17:14:19 That's... pretty moronic Sep 08 17:14:22 Oh wait Sep 08 17:14:23 i have one here i could try. Sep 08 17:14:24 Yeah, shows up now Sep 08 17:14:27 ah Sep 08 17:14:29 yep Sep 08 17:14:29 Was just really slow about it Sep 08 17:14:46 i should try a keyboard Sep 08 17:14:56 i got one sitting with no-use Sep 08 17:14:57 :) Sep 08 17:15:01 do i need the preware app for 99cent to use preware? Sep 08 17:15:15 no Sep 08 17:15:22 you can use an installer for free Sep 08 17:15:29 check the webos-intl site Sep 08 17:15:37 i get everytime an error (hp touchpad) :/ Sep 08 17:15:52 doing it wrong then Sep 08 17:15:53 works fine here Sep 08 17:15:57 :/ Sep 08 17:16:10 Developer Mode enabled? Sep 08 17:16:16 i use this instructions http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware-DE Sep 08 17:16:19 sure Sep 08 17:16:20 using webOS Quick Install? Sep 08 17:16:36 and the webos doctor Sep 08 17:16:48 was funktioniert denn nicht? ;) Sep 08 17:16:57 ich kriege immer nen error Sep 08 17:17:02 den Doktor brauchst du nicht Sep 08 17:17:45 wenn ich quickisntall ausführe, will der aber das ich den runteralde Sep 08 17:17:51 webOS Quick Install 4.3.0 downloaden, Touchpad in Developer Mode (webos20090606) Sep 08 17:18:09 na dann lass den runterladen Sep 08 17:18:16 ich hatte vielleicht noch einen rumliegen Sep 08 17:18:23 d'oh, I forgot to try my friend's apple BT keyboard on my touchpad Sep 08 17:18:23 ansonsten installier mal den Novacom treiber neu Sep 08 17:18:31 hab ich vorhin Sep 08 17:20:05 booto: seems -c is doing at least something, but it keeps dying again and again. Guess I'll just keep -c'ing until it finishes if it ever will :D Sep 08 17:20:32 Oh right. It apparently will not Sep 08 17:20:35 wget: short write Sep 08 17:21:00 Are there any alternative sources for this ipk? (the ubuntu chroot thing) Sep 08 17:23:06 •PatrickC• I found it! It's in com.palm.pim.Recipient - the IDs match up Sep 08 17:23:36 zomg: are you sure you have enough space on the tp where you are downloading that file? Sep 08 17:24:38 (Fuu_): Error: no device found. Sep 08 17:25:08 linuxjacques: yeah.. it keeps failing the download on my PC as well Sep 08 17:25:29 zomg: at same place every time? Sep 08 17:25:34 Yep Sep 08 17:25:52 zomg: what's the link? I can try downloading it Sep 08 17:26:05 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot_11.04-3_arm.ipk Sep 08 17:26:08 thanks Sep 08 17:27:11 zomg: where does it fail for you? Sep 08 17:27:19 at 61% ish Sep 08 17:27:27 ok, at 40% Sep 08 17:27:44 70% :-\ Sep 08 17:28:00 Heh Sep 08 17:28:07 Not only is it much faster for you but guess it works :P Sep 08 17:28:11 it downloaded OK for me, sorry Sep 08 17:28:18 Mind sending the file? Sep 08 17:28:34 can't really do that from work Sep 08 17:28:55 hmm, how did you want me to send it? Sep 08 17:28:59 Okay, well I'll try downloading it from my VPS which is in the UK, maybe it'll work better Sep 08 17:29:05 You could've just used DCC Sep 08 17:29:12 Or, that would've worked for me at least =) Sep 08 17:29:34 hmm, I'm on weechat. haven't done DCC on it before Sep 08 17:33:07 Seems the download finished fine on my VPS Sep 08 17:33:14 I guess it just didn't like Finland Sep 08 17:33:15 =) Sep 08 17:37:13 usb partition is 27.53GB stock, right? Sep 08 17:45:25 btw to pair that apple keyboard Sep 08 17:45:26 http://www.aeonity.com/frost/pairing-ipad-bluetooth-keyboard-hp-touchpad Sep 08 17:45:30 i just tested it Sep 08 17:46:14 Wow, Firefox + flash on 64bit Fedora is sooo unstable! Sep 08 17:54:07 I'm experiencing a problem with meta-doctor stopping around the 20% mark with a number of errors on the ubuntu terminal. It references something with flash and java. I re-downloaded the drivers but still have the problem. Any ideas? Sep 08 17:55:31 You mean with building the .jar? Sep 08 17:58:02 nope, meta-doctor was running.... think I found a reference on the pc forums here -- http://forums.precentral.net/3116535-post66.html Sep 08 17:58:29 Hobbz-: have you installed sun-java6-jre? Sep 08 17:58:33 drat - different error messages Sep 08 17:59:11 I believe so, I followed the steps to install java Sep 08 17:59:12 dpkg -l | grep java Sep 08 17:59:45 need to see the actual output of the error log Sep 08 17:59:49 dpaste it Sep 08 18:00:05 meta-doctor was around the 20% complete mark when a screen of errors scrolled up and it stopped. how can I copy/paste from the ubuntu window? Sep 08 18:01:00 Faulty hardware? Sep 08 18:01:12 Give us the error log in pastebin Sep 08 18:01:28 how can I paste from the ubuntu window? it's not saving the copy Sep 08 18:02:06 paste in a web browser "in" the vm Sep 08 18:02:11 dpaste Sep 08 18:04:11 okay, it's in pastebin now Sep 08 18:04:34 http://pastebin.com/fq0dPPDS Sep 08 18:05:36 I completed the sprint frankenpre conversion last night. Reason I re-ran the doctor is because of problems with patches this morning Sep 08 18:07:23 So its run before Sep 08 18:07:31 yes Sep 08 18:08:42 Try another USB slot Sep 08 18:08:52 okay Sep 08 18:09:19 how i can use android market apps on my hp touchpad? preware is installed Sep 08 18:09:28 evtl, you cant Sep 08 18:09:49 is there no way? Sep 08 18:09:53 Nope Sep 08 18:11:02 Hello, trying http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL_Triangle_of_Doom, I get the following error: (process:6284): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Error in /home/reviewdaemon/projects/nova/oe/BUILD-topaz/work/luna-service2-2.0.0-135.2/135.2/src/transport.c:2439 ; (process:6284): LunaService-CRITICAL **: Invalid permissions for (null) and after a while the process ends. Sep 08 18:11:23 yazgoo: nothing happens on the screen? Sep 08 18:11:49 that error is benign Sep 08 18:11:54 the triangle is displayed as it should as far as I can say. Sep 08 18:12:07 oh yeah, then you're fine. the error is completely benign. Sep 08 18:12:08 I get those on all my PDK apps when I launch them from cmdline Sep 08 18:12:17 Ok, but why is the process stoping then? Sep 08 18:12:45 I dunno. been a while since I looked at that code Sep 08 18:13:00 you sure it's not intended behavior? Sep 08 18:13:43 Yeah, I'm sure, there's a quit event in the main loop, even if I remove it this happens. Sep 08 18:13:58 yeah I see now Sep 08 18:14:16 how long does it run? Sep 08 18:14:39 Hobbz-, get it to work? Sep 08 18:14:57 less than 10 seconds. Sep 08 18:15:17 can you watch top while it's running? see if there's a memory leak? Sep 08 18:15:31 Abyssul... huh - different type of error earlier in the attempt Sep 08 18:15:33 sure. Sep 08 18:15:40 you could also install gdb from optware and run it under that Sep 08 18:16:09 anything in the /var/log/messages ? Sep 08 18:16:56 here's this new log -- http://pastebin.com/fq0dPPDS Sep 08 18:17:01 oops... wrong link Sep 08 18:17:05 No, it keeps at 1% or so. Sep 08 18:18:03 hmm Sep 08 18:18:15 if I had my tp I'd try it Sep 08 18:18:55 here's the new log info --- http://pastebin.com/gEW2uu84 Sep 08 18:19:46 linuxjacques: {LunaSysMgr}: void IpcServer::processRemoved(int, bool): pid: 7565, appId: com.palm.app.SDL: Sep 08 18:19:51 is metadoctor able to change the keyboard layout ? there seems to be an option CHANGE_KEYBOARD_TYPE ; but its only mentioned on the french metadoctor wiki page (and i don't speak french)... apart from that there seems to be a precentral thread .... Sep 08 18:19:58 Hobbz-: I thought you got all this working yesterday re doctor Sep 08 18:19:59 does metadoctor work for webos 2.2 / pre 3? Sep 08 18:21:06 Is there some way to see if Preware is doing something or just sitting crashed? Sep 08 18:21:06 lol destinal.... I did, but had problems with a theme and some patches that I couldn't resolve Sep 08 18:21:21 Installing the ubuntu ipk and it's been spinning the spinner pretty long now Sep 08 18:21:29 it takes a while Sep 08 18:21:39 I usually ssh in and watch top Sep 08 18:21:50 or you could novaterm in Sep 08 18:21:57 Yeah thought it might since it's 90mb, just wasn't sure how long Sep 08 18:22:09 Well I have xterm installed already Sep 08 18:22:15 messing with the flash on the tp takes amazingly long Sep 08 18:22:27 I installed the audubon birds app, and it too 45 minutes Sep 08 18:22:57 yeah they used some seriously slow flash memory on these things Sep 08 18:23:17 Hm, something called WebAppMgr is going at 10.1 CPU but besides that not much Sep 08 18:23:24 LunaSysMgr at 8ish Sep 08 18:23:36 what's iowait like? Sep 08 18:23:55 if you df, do you see available space decreasing? Sep 08 18:24:46 destinal - guess I'm just having bad luck this week Sep 08 18:25:02 iowait? Sep 08 18:25:54 I totally shut down ubuntu and restarted from scratch again... let's see if that does anything Sep 08 18:26:01 the time I watched audubon install Sep 08 18:26:04 it wasn't IO limited Sep 08 18:26:13 one CPU core was pegged at 100% for cryptofs Sep 08 18:26:16 Hobbz-, rebuild your meta-doctor git and recompile the .jar Sep 08 18:26:23 in procps top iowait is %wa Sep 08 18:27:13 Abyssul, I started at the first step all over again. Just restarted doctor and it's at 12%. Crossing fingers Sep 08 18:27:14 not much happening with df at least Sep 08 18:27:56 iowait is 0.3 Sep 08 18:28:02 zomg: which partition are you installing it into? Sep 08 18:28:32 the meta-doctored ext3 partition Sep 08 18:28:52 or at least I assume that's where it would put it since it exists Sep 08 18:29:08 holy cow... it's past the previous failure points now Sep 08 18:29:12 mounted to /media/ext3fs ? Sep 08 18:29:19 Yep Sep 08 18:29:46 if you "df /media/ext3fs" and sait a few seconds and do it again, does the available space decrease? Sep 08 18:30:57 Hobbz-, magic... Sep 08 18:31:03 linuxjacques: nope, guess it's frozen Sep 08 18:31:09 hmm :-\ Sep 08 18:31:29 lol Abyssul... that and a few colorfully worded threats at the machine in front of me =) Sep 08 18:31:44 and my bt keyboard keeps going nuts... :P Sep 08 18:31:48 threaten to pull the cord Sep 08 18:32:14 heh, among other things Sep 08 18:33:42 ironic as anything though - I was just telling somebody this morning that computers don't have moods or get tempermental. guess I need to apologize to her when I get back lol Sep 08 18:34:03 hehe Sep 08 18:35:04 Probably the batteries going low.. I'm not sure if I've ever changed them and I've had the keyboard for quite a while =) Sep 08 18:37:50 zomg: apple bt kb? I haven't had any issues with mine on the tp Sep 08 18:38:01 but it has new batteries :-) Sep 08 18:39:12 Abyssul, Detinal & Nebula - thank you very much for your patience and help, I'm very grateful Sep 08 18:39:23 np Sep 08 18:40:14 linuxjacques: yeah, same keyboard here Sep 08 18:40:31 zomg: you have the old 3 battery or newer 2 battery model? Sep 08 18:40:43 three battery one Sep 08 18:41:01 me too Sep 08 18:46:31 hi, i'm tryign to follow the wiki for WebOS Internals PDK Sep 08 18:46:36 *trying Sep 08 18:46:54 and when i get to make toolchain i get the following bzip2 error Sep 08 18:47:10 bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file. Sep 08 18:47:38 any ideas what i am missing? Sep 08 18:51:32 that looks vaguely familiar Sep 08 18:51:44 like the download failed maybe Sep 08 18:52:37 hmm, yes, the .bz2 fiel looks rather like an HTML page in nano :) Sep 08 18:52:42 *file Sep 08 18:54:08 Bah, the install froze again Sep 08 18:54:13 bbl Sep 08 18:54:20 Spent 63 mbs of space from the ext3 partition and got stuck :P Sep 08 18:59:36 so where does one get arm-2007q3-51-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 now codesourcery is mentor? Sep 08 19:10:47 Ha, working now Sep 08 19:10:54 Just did it via webos quick install which seems to have worked Sep 08 19:39:53 hey guys... Sep 08 19:40:21 anyone know what's preventing the kernel from booting when compiled for thumb-2? Is it the startup code or something else? Sep 08 19:41:10 the kernel on what device Sep 08 19:41:13 android Sep 08 19:41:23 ohs orry Sep 08 19:41:24 the kernel on -what device- Sep 08 19:41:25 wrong chat Sep 08 19:41:26 :D Sep 08 19:41:28 sorry... Touchpad running webos Sep 08 19:49:09 well, I think the armv7 should support thumb-2 Sep 08 19:50:03 there's always a possibility, assuming you're using gcc, that it's the compiler's fault... you might try an older or newer version of the compiler Sep 08 19:50:33 I know the codegen on non-x86-compatible hardware is often buggier in those ports Sep 08 19:51:06 yep, did that already... I'm just guessing it's failing in the startup code but I don't have a way to see what's actually going on. Sep 08 20:17:28 Anyone happen to know how to get rid of the webos keyboard in the ubuntu chroot thinger? Sep 08 20:17:33 or, the "shadow" of it anyway Sep 08 20:17:55 it takes quite a bit of space and I installed something which has its own keyboard so it would be able to utilize the space better Sep 08 20:20:30 Oh damn, now the keyboard is just stuck there :D Sep 08 20:24:22 I'm not sure how you can get rid of it, but you can change the size of it with the Tweaks app Sep 08 20:24:35 the idea being to match your preferred keyboard size Sep 08 20:25:19 Yeah it isn't showing at all for me normally because I have BT keyboard Sep 08 20:25:37 But in the XServer thingy there's always black space the size of the keyboard Sep 08 20:25:54 Will see if I can reduce its size with Tweaks, thanks Sep 08 20:27:17 Sweet, that did the trick :) Sep 08 20:28:39 hiho =D Sep 08 20:28:56 just wanted to stop by and thank every1 for the nice job Sep 08 20:28:59 thanks ALOT Sep 08 20:29:17 is there an official donate paypal thing? Sep 08 20:30:08 ~donate Sep 08 20:30:11 ~donation Sep 08 20:30:26 INFOBOT WHY HAST THOU FORSAKEN MEEE Sep 08 20:30:44 donate.webos-internals.org Sep 08 20:36:41 Thanks Sep 08 20:36:45 just a question left Sep 08 20:37:04 is there a way to view / start the optware apps on my touchpad? Sep 08 20:37:28 i cnat find them on the downloads thing Sep 08 20:38:12 zomg: glad to help Sep 08 20:41:12 no1 interested 2 help me? Sep 08 20:49:32 sorny: just hang out, not everyone is here all the time Sep 08 20:51:08 sorny: if you installed them from the command line, you'll need to run them from there too Sep 08 20:51:50 i used preware to install them Sep 08 20:55:23 Haha, awesome Sep 08 20:55:37 Installed OpenTTD on the ubuntu chroot Sep 08 20:55:38 =) Sep 08 21:01:41 zomg: does it open? Sep 08 21:02:02 Yes Sep 08 21:02:06 It works quite fine Sep 08 21:02:20 No sounds, but I don't know if they even work with the ubuntu thingy to begin with Sep 08 21:02:21 dang that is pretty awesome Sep 08 21:02:37 the possiblities :P Sep 08 21:03:20 hehe Sep 08 21:03:24 I haven't got a TP to mess with yet but I've been playing with ubuntu and native stuff on my pre Sep 08 21:03:34 managed to get a minecraft server up and running on my pre lmao Sep 08 21:03:41 :D Sep 08 21:03:43 Nice Sep 08 21:03:52 I was wondering whether the client would run on the touchpad Sep 08 21:04:14 Movement would probably work ok with a BT keyboard but I'm not sure about aiming with touching the screen Sep 08 21:04:27 I was thinking the same thing, but it appears webos doesnt go straight to opengl Sep 08 21:04:34 SDL someting...im not a programmer Sep 08 21:04:37 http://yfrog.com/nvd1wmj <- openttd =) Sep 08 21:05:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exre3F3ZGbM <- mcsrv on pre =) Sep 08 21:07:14 i wonder if webos 3.0.2 is different in terms of graphics libraries than the pre Sep 08 21:09:36 ziggo0, thats pretty cool Sep 08 21:09:47 thats from a ubuntu chroot? Sep 08 21:09:59 negative, directly on the pre Sep 08 21:10:07 oh yea Sep 08 21:10:10 oh Sep 08 21:10:12 neat Sep 08 21:10:19 you compiled the server for arm? Sep 08 21:10:32 maybe setting SDL_AUDIODRIVE to pulse would get sound working Sep 08 21:10:46 im new to webos :) Sep 08 21:10:47 learning Sep 08 21:10:57 I think im going to focus on webos tbh Sep 08 21:10:59 i really like it Sep 08 21:11:20 what service does the pre2? or pre? run on? Sep 08 21:11:23 I went through java's site and found an armv6/7 binary for embedded devices (such as tvs, tablets, etcetc) and setup that up Sep 08 21:11:35 cell wise Sep 08 21:11:42 I'm on verizon wireless atm Sep 08 21:11:51 cheapest due to a family plan Sep 08 21:15:44 sorny: which ones? Sep 08 21:17:30 like everything that has been in the optware category of preware Sep 08 21:17:46 open ssh, bourne again shell, like verything Sep 08 21:17:53 i just dont know how to start it now Sep 08 21:18:02 i thought i d do it with xecutah Sep 08 21:18:06 but i cant find it in preware Sep 08 21:18:15 xecutah, xterm Sep 08 21:18:21 then they're available at the shell prompt Sep 08 21:18:54 but how to get xecutah and xterm Sep 08 21:18:57 i cant find them in preware Sep 08 21:28:03 hello Sep 08 21:28:36 Hi Sep 08 21:29:07 ziggo0, OH? the pre is on vzw? Sep 08 21:29:12 hell i did not know Sep 08 21:29:14 hmm Sep 08 21:29:16 3G? only i assume Sep 08 21:38:20 Hmm Sep 08 21:38:27 Tried running Minecraft on TouchPad Sep 08 21:38:38 Seems to require an ARM build of LWJGL Sep 08 21:39:03 At least that's what I'd guess based on the exception of not being able to load lwjgl.so Sep 08 21:39:33 that would be killer Sep 08 21:39:33 makes sense Sep 08 21:40:17 Never played minecraft before Sep 08 21:40:59 It's fun as long as you don't realize you're not really doing anything useful at all Sep 08 21:41:04 =) Sep 08 21:41:05 lol Sep 08 21:41:19 You mean like when play sparkle Sep 08 21:41:34 lol Sep 08 21:48:56 Ho hum Sep 08 21:49:02 How do I find where apt puts something when I install stuff Sep 08 21:50:27 nvm, found what I was looking for Sep 08 21:54:48 Well, I got lwjgl for arm, and the .so Sep 08 21:54:55 there was a package in apt for it Sep 08 21:55:10 However now there's a new issue.. "Could not init GLX" Sep 08 21:55:52 doing this on a desktop? Sep 08 21:56:01 touchpad ubuntu chroot Sep 08 21:56:09 in lxfe or whatever it was called Sep 08 21:56:26 You need the GLX extension enabled in X Sep 08 21:56:38 Í wonder how do I do that :D Sep 08 21:56:51 libgl1-mesa-glx package is installed at least Sep 08 22:03:13 I would think you would need it installed on the touchpad afaik Sep 08 22:04:03 The glx extension for X? Sep 08 22:04:06 or..? Sep 08 22:06:02 who was asking where to find the toolchains on mentor's site? Sep 08 22:06:49 zomg: it would be great to have GLX in the X server, but it would be a large job. It's definitely not there now. Sep 08 22:07:16 Okay, saw some thread on precentral from 2010 which said it didn't exist yet Sep 08 22:07:24 wasn't sure if anyone had done anything about it =) Sep 08 22:07:24 yep Sep 08 22:07:35 but at least I got as far as the login screen in minecraft :P Sep 08 22:07:50 zomg, yes. Since you're using xserver on the tp as host Sep 08 22:08:04 Its just an assumption though Sep 08 22:08:44 Maybe someone smarter than me will fix it =) Sep 08 22:09:22 sorny: testing.preware.org Sep 08 22:10:15 hey can someone explain to me how to add a table into a database that i can see in impostah? Sep 08 22:10:20 ah bedrock leftg Sep 08 22:12:22 interseting Sep 08 22:12:28 I wonder what i can get a PRE for used for VZW Sep 08 22:12:32 though i do like 4G :/ Sep 08 22:12:36 im in love with webos Sep 08 22:12:37 :) Sep 08 22:13:11 grr... Sep 08 22:13:26 bought a veer with a broken sim slot Sep 08 22:13:27 replaced the sim slot... Sep 08 22:13:47 now the guy i bought it from for $50, is offering $120 for me to sell it back. Sep 08 22:13:52 i wish i could have just scored a veer during the firesale lol Sep 08 22:14:18 veer? never heard of it :) Sep 08 22:14:38 death to the infidel! Sep 08 22:29:01 rwhitby: added the repos mentioned, still not found :/ Sep 08 22:30:20 well, myself and thousands of others see it with those instructions, so I don't know what to say other than make sure you actually followed the instructions precisely and then did a type-to-search in Preware to find it. Sep 08 22:32:02 rhcp: I got mine for 85$ used in great condition 6 months ago Sep 08 22:32:09 which is it? Sep 08 22:32:10 Pre2? Sep 08 22:32:11 pre? Sep 08 22:32:18 The veer is nice but I don't care for how small the screen is...its my only gripe about the pre1 is how small the screen is Sep 08 22:32:23 yea pre plus Sep 08 22:32:26 (1) Sep 08 22:32:51 3g though right? Sep 08 22:33:15 yep. i dont have 4g coverage in this area, even in 4g i dont think the pre1 can max it out Sep 08 22:33:27 oh Sep 08 22:33:29 the pre has LTE? Sep 08 22:33:49 the veer does i think Sep 08 22:34:06 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=verizon+veer&_sacat=9355&_dmpt=PDA_Accessories&_odkw=verizon+pre+2&_osacat=9355&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 Sep 08 22:34:08 nothing Sep 08 22:34:28 I found mine on a forum (in the fs/ft section) Sep 08 22:34:38 rhcp[linux], GSM only Sep 08 22:34:39 it was a buy on a whim thing cuz i needed a new phone, turns out it wasnt half bad Sep 08 22:34:42 oh ok Sep 08 22:34:53 any webos phone on verizon have LTE ?:) Sep 08 22:34:58 nope Sep 08 22:35:02 crap Sep 08 22:35:04 :( Sep 08 22:35:07 im loving my 4G Sep 08 22:35:26 If everything works out, i'll be getting a veer Sep 08 22:35:41 is the veer supposed to have 4G lte? :) Sep 08 22:35:47 id swap off android Sep 08 22:35:50 i realy dig webos Sep 08 22:36:26 Veer is 4G Sep 08 22:36:27 I like them both lol. Sep 08 22:36:34 wrea, yea? Sep 08 22:36:35 nice Sep 08 22:36:36 verizon? Sep 08 22:37:25 Again, GSM only. Locked to att. But can be unlocked so you can use it on other carriers Sep 08 22:38:20 well yea Sep 08 22:38:23 I can unlock it :P Sep 08 22:38:25 Veer is not really 4G. It's AT&T's 3G HSDPA+ which they label as 4G. Sep 08 22:38:28 Thats what i do as a side job Sep 08 22:38:30 i unlock phones Sep 08 22:38:38 but that sux :/ Sep 08 22:38:47 I guess ill wait for a webos LTE Sep 08 22:38:52 rwhitby, seriously? Gotta love marketing Sep 08 22:38:57 seriously Sep 08 22:39:03 rhcp[linux], might be waiting a looong time Sep 08 22:39:13 maybe Sep 08 22:39:16 but its my only choice Sep 08 22:39:22 4G rox on vzw Sep 08 22:39:22 :) Sep 08 22:39:39 I wish I could program my way out of a paper bag. It'd be nice to have a gui for kismet Sep 08 22:39:51 My buddy has shown me some pretty impressive 4g stuff, he lives over in boston Sep 08 22:40:03 I'm not that into phones but im quite surprised at the speeds Sep 08 22:40:05 rwhitby: what database file does impostah pull the persistent data from? Sep 08 22:40:08 latency still is crappy Sep 08 22:40:26 m0ngr31: db8 Sep 08 22:40:27 Hell, right now I have a dumb phone, so I have low expectations. lol Sep 08 22:40:55 rwhitby: i sorry, i meant what actual file. is it like indexes.db or what? Sep 08 22:42:01 m0ngr31: Impostah uses the com.palm.db service to access the db8 database in /var/db Sep 08 22:43:02 rwhitby: is there a way to inject data into that database? i'm trying to make sideloading for the kindle a reality Sep 08 22:43:55 m0ngr31: AFAIK it's simply an SQLite3 DB, isn't it? Sep 08 22:44:28 eliasp: should be, but i don't know how to add data... Sep 08 22:44:44 eliasp: it is not Sep 08 22:44:52 eliasp: use the com.palm.db service API Sep 08 22:44:57 rwhitby: oh, ok.. I thought so Sep 08 22:45:09 s/eliasp/m0ngr3l/ Sep 08 22:45:11 rwhitby meant: m0ngr3l: use the com.palm.db service API Sep 08 22:49:06 rwhitby: can you give me a quick example? or a site that might tell me how? Sep 08 22:49:21 developer.palm.com Sep 08 22:49:51 thanks, i was just browsing that :) Sep 08 22:49:59 https://developer.palm.com/content/api/reference/services/db8.html Sep 08 22:49:59 ? Sep 08 22:51:15 is facebook chat not working for anybody else? (palm pre 1.45 here) Sep 08 22:52:39 the /etc/hosts file looks fine, used to never had a problem Sep 08 22:53:41 veer doesnt have tmobile bands for hspa+ Sep 08 22:53:41 only edge. Sep 08 22:54:44 Ouch. I never checked out other bands, since I'm on att Sep 08 22:54:44 pointing to 69.63.181.105 talk.google.com Sep 08 22:55:16 i just pinged it though and its saying 74.125.91.125 Sep 08 23:11:14 well 69.63.181.105 def seems to be the right address Sep 08 23:14:36 what's facebook chat? /etc/hosts the thing so "google talk" connects to facebook instead? Sep 08 23:14:44 yeah Sep 08 23:17:30 someone know if on the pre3 package there is the pouch ???? Sep 08 23:28:58 pouch? Sep 08 23:30:06 i dont think they've done the sleeping bag since the pre-/+ Sep 08 23:30:40 ^ Sep 08 23:30:50 at least, my pixi/pre2/veer didnt come with one Sep 08 23:30:59 you are correct. Sep 08 23:33:07 oh, the pouch all my pre friends asked where mine was Sep 08 23:33:12 me with the pre2 Sep 08 23:33:22 "what leather sleeve?" Sep 08 23:33:32 heh Sep 08 23:33:50 i've never used it for anything more then storage Sep 08 23:33:59 the phone is too hard to get out of it if its ringing Sep 08 23:34:10 I think all people do with those cases is lose them Sep 08 23:34:18 lol Sep 08 23:35:49 i just got: Sorry, Too Many Cards Please toss away any you're not using to make room for more. Sep 08 23:36:03 while i dont have any cards left to throuw away Sep 08 23:36:10 luna restart time Sep 08 23:36:12 i guess this is somekind of memory leak? Sep 08 23:36:21 yeah Sep 08 23:36:30 how often can this happen? and can i find the culprit somehow? Sep 08 23:36:34 actually Sep 08 23:36:39 if you have any homebrew stuff Sep 08 23:36:45 (or even if you don't) Sep 08 23:36:51 you mgiht want to novacom in and look at top Sep 08 23:36:52 i have homebrew Sep 08 23:37:08 from terminal you mean? Sep 08 23:37:10 since it looks at the amount of memory that's free Sep 08 23:37:13 yes Sep 08 23:37:25 well would it still open a termainal with that error occuring? Sep 08 23:37:25 and if you sort by memory you can see what's eating up the memory Sep 08 23:37:46 an on the device itself? probably not Sep 08 23:37:58 but, novaterm from a pc is more likely to Sep 08 23:38:06 or ssh in Sep 08 23:38:24 yeah i'm just doing right that..still had a putty window open Sep 08 23:38:33 sometimes I've found Luna to be at fault, but for awhile, every night, my phone would hang because the palm backup app would eat up all the memory and swap on my phone Sep 08 23:38:41 4600 root 25 5 889m 548m 36m S 0.5 59.7 23:13.02 WebAppMgr Sep 08 23:38:48 luna restart time! Sep 08 23:39:02 what exactly is Luna in webos? Sep 08 23:39:04 s/palm backup app/palm backup service/ Sep 08 23:39:16 that's the thing that shows you the display and the cards and stuff Sep 08 23:39:38 * cat-xeger 's hoping that HP will either continue to provide that service, or start providing some plausible alternatives... Sep 08 23:39:49 i see..is a luna reset usually enough compared with a device reset? Sep 08 23:40:03 it will if it's luna's fault (like yours appears to be) Sep 08 23:40:07 (although it just gets back to why I'm not big on "cloud" ) Sep 08 23:40:36 ok thanks for the info dwc- :-) Sep 08 23:41:03 is it normal luna can do this? i mean its a very important part of webos.. Sep 08 23:44:54 hey guys is there any way to find out the device type (if it's a pre/pre+/pre3) via a terminal connection? Sep 08 23:45:38 uname -a maybe? Sep 08 23:47:20 unfortuanately that just tells me the version of webos installed... not the actual hardware type... but actually that should do for my needs. :P.# Sep 08 23:47:32 heh Sep 08 23:52:20 ok no pouch :( i have 2 pre- and i love it :D ...i need to buy one for the pre3 :D ... Sep 08 23:52:58 another question .... with pre3 i need a sim card and it try to connect to 3g to download the profile or i can use the wifi network???? Sep 09 00:15:41 I haven't heard otherwise, so my assupmtion is you need a sim card like for the others Sep 09 00:24:51 Why not use metadoctor to sign in Sep 09 01:03:18 Hmm… Has there been work done on figuring out the key codes for the Touchpad wireless keyboard? Sep 09 01:06:08 SineOt, i think ka6sox-away and cryptk|offline might of played with it.. or if they havent they will soon enough. dtzWill any insight here? Sep 09 01:07:42 SineOt: what do you mean? :) Sep 09 01:07:56 Jack87: Hmm. Yeah I'm trying to figure out what the key codes it sends for the "media" row are so that I can remap them in OSX Sep 09 01:08:23 Most of the tools I've tried under OSX won't actually give the key codes since they get intercepted by some media layer somewhere before they Sep 09 01:08:30 they're actually registered as presses :p Sep 09 01:08:33 SineOt: do you mean using X? Sep 09 01:08:50 using anything, I think? Sep 09 01:08:51 oh you legit mean on osx Sep 09 01:08:59 yeah I mean legit on OSX Sep 09 01:09:13 you can futz the mapping but without knowing the key codes it sends you can't do much Sep 09 01:09:14 just hook it up to a linux box and use 'xev' or similar Sep 09 01:09:24 not sure on mac sorry : Sep 09 01:09:25 *:( Sep 09 01:09:34 Did anyone get any news on porting 2.2 to Pre2? Sep 09 01:09:43 SineOt, you want to use hp keyboard on osx is what you are saying? Sep 09 01:09:47 dtzWill: I'll give that a shot Sep 09 01:09:52 Jack87: yeah. I'm using it right now! XD Sep 09 01:10:31 SineOt, what does card button and control button do or even sym button? Sep 09 01:11:00 Jack87: card maps to command, control is… Well, control (deep, I know) and sym maps to option Sep 09 01:11:12 Jack87: the playback keys work as well for controlling media Sep 09 01:11:27 maybe in X11 you can xev on the mac Sep 09 01:11:35 SineOt, very cool... any access to esc? and eject? Sep 09 01:12:03 Jack87: esc maps to… Whatever the like message bubble with the "pop" in it is (without owning a touchpad I have no idea what that key does) and power to the power key Sep 09 01:12:06 no eject though Sep 09 01:13:05 that button is a quick glimpse at notifications... so no edject button? power is actual physical power button like a mac would have? Sep 09 01:13:15 eject* Sep 09 01:13:29 does brightness and vol controls work? Sep 09 01:14:54 Volume yes, brightness I would assume so Sep 09 01:15:21 Don't have a laptop or iMac so those don't work even on the legit OSX keyboard Sep 09 01:15:31 by legit OSX I mean the Apple aluminum Sep 09 01:30:43 hello Sep 09 01:30:52 Hey Sep 09 01:31:45 just poking my head in, reading through the wiki Sep 09 01:31:57 got my $100 touchpad, and goofing around with it. Sep 09 01:56:41 well, after fiddling a ton with VMs… Time to boot into windows and make a USB stick >:C Sep 09 02:24:19 Can anyone access the catalog? Sep 09 02:24:29 I get a "the action could not be completed. try again later" Sep 09 02:25:04 #webos reckons there's a power outage in CA Sep 09 02:26:10 hmm Sep 09 02:31:08 Seems like its down according to the forums Sep 09 02:31:21 I was just about to check out the new homebrew doc app Sep 09 02:31:43 works on my pre2 Sep 09 02:31:44 they didn't pay the power bill Sep 09 02:31:52 just downloaded a free app Sep 09 02:32:21 or it could be http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/08/california.power.outages/index.html Sep 09 02:32:21 rwhitby, yeah. San Diego, Orange counties and some or arizona Sep 09 02:32:29 app cat working on my Pre 3 Sep 09 02:32:50 My brother is stationed in SD and he's been without for hours now Sep 09 02:35:51 thats a big power outage Sep 09 02:35:57 Doesnt work on my TP Sep 09 02:42:17 geist: if you want to control what apps get built in an instance of lk the best thing to do is copy the project makefile and change it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 09 02:59:57 2011