**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 10 02:59:58 2011 Sep 10 03:07:51 hello? Sep 10 03:08:14 anyone on here? Sep 10 03:08:42 ? Sep 10 03:08:51 Andrew, IRC is for people who check back frequently. Just ask your question and wait for a response. Sep 10 03:09:03 oh ok cool Sep 10 03:09:28 well I'm going to attempt to get my hp touchpad back to stock condition Sep 10 03:09:49 i bought it from my friend and he had put a linux partition on it Sep 10 03:10:33 the touchpad, by default, runs on Linux. Sep 10 03:10:43 so now im gonna try to create an image with meta-doctor and load it Sep 10 03:10:55 oh hmm Sep 10 03:11:15 how does my windows machine see the filesystem? Sep 10 03:11:45 How could it if if it's Linux either way? Sep 10 03:11:54 If you're booting into WebOS, you're stock. Sep 10 03:12:12 In WebOS, hold down power, up volume and center to reset it to factory state. Sep 10 03:12:24 well i know he put some kind of partition on it Sep 10 03:12:52 i already ran webos doctor, restored it Sep 10 03:12:56 Be probably just did a Ubuntu Chroot. Sep 10 03:13:08 but when i look at available memory it says 11.3 Sep 10 03:13:26 i dont think the os takes up like 4GB Sep 10 03:13:33 yea i think thats what he did Sep 10 03:13:40 he had xServer and Ubuntu Sep 10 03:13:51 Uninstall it using the App manager within WebOS. Sep 10 03:14:00 Or just do the three button trick I mentioned. Sep 10 03:14:18 i already uninstalled everything by runnin webos doctor Sep 10 03:14:32 yet i only have 11.3GB available memory Sep 10 03:14:45 is that really how much a 16GB stock touchpad ha? Sep 10 03:14:50 has* Sep 10 03:15:41 I only havd 12.5 available and I don't have Ubuntu installed. Sep 10 03:15:54 The 16GB total is still split for WebOS. Sep 10 03:16:02 It never advertised 16GB entirely for user storage Sep 10 03:16:11 out of the box new you had 12.5 available? Sep 10 03:16:22 Maybe about 13GB available. Sep 10 03:16:30 Stock apps do take up space. So does the update. Sep 10 03:16:45 that makes sense cause I'm at 11 stock and he said he put a 2GB partition on it Sep 10 03:16:51 so it must still be there Sep 10 03:17:43 Don't delete the wrong one. Sep 10 03:17:50 lol Sep 10 03:18:07 Or better yet, ask your friend and not people who never touched your device. Sep 10 03:18:15 Cause by this point, can't really help you. Sep 10 03:19:12 it's all good Sep 10 03:29:13 how can i download meta-doctor on ubuntu? Sep 10 03:29:42 with a browser :) Sep 10 03:29:54 where from? Sep 10 03:31:33 nevermind found it Sep 10 03:32:04 lol Sep 10 03:32:12 edit that makefile Sep 10 03:36:41 man i still can't figure out how to download it. I'm on the webos-internals.org site looking at the meta-doctor tool info... but can't figure out how to actually install it. Sep 10 03:43:14 install java, double click on the .jar file Sep 10 03:48:53 no no, he means meta-doctor Sep 10 03:49:27 meta-doctor itself isn't a program…it just creates a new firmware Sep 10 03:50:05 don't you have to create the rom on linux tho? Sep 10 03:50:19 you're on ubuntu aren't you? Sep 10 03:50:30 i have it running on vm Sep 10 03:50:45 thats good Sep 10 03:51:11 meta-doctor is a combination of a makefile as well as a few wrapper scripts to do specific "common" things Sep 10 03:51:23 but at it's heart, it's just a well tuned Makefile Sep 10 03:53:48 on ubuntu, apt-get install git-core Sep 10 03:53:54 then git clone whatever the url is Sep 10 03:53:58 cd the new dir Sep 10 03:54:04 nano Makefile, edit stuff Sep 10 03:54:10 save the file, run make Sep 10 03:54:40 it'll spit out a new .jar file, move it to your regular desktop, double click it, and reflash your device Sep 10 03:56:59 ok thats super helpful, I was stuck on step 1 of your directions lol... didnt know what to put where you have 'git-core' Sep 10 03:58:24 oh Sep 10 03:58:26 terminal Sep 10 03:58:31 sudo apt-get install git-core Sep 10 03:58:48 yea yea i got it now Sep 10 03:59:19 its been a while since i used linux Sep 10 03:59:30 i was trying 'yum install' lol Sep 10 03:59:35 wasnt working Sep 10 04:01:36 lol Sep 10 04:03:44 * rwhitby wonders why folks always fail to just point questioners to the official wiki page which always has all the answers when followed correctly ... Sep 10 04:04:05 i searched for it :P Sep 10 04:04:14 Cause its too easy Sep 10 04:04:23 meta-doctor typed into the wiki search box Sep 10 04:05:14 rwhitby: becasue the wiki bot doesn't do that for them? Sep 10 04:05:36 not to tell ya'll how to run your site but maybe a redirect from meta-doctor to Application:MetaDoctor would be nice Sep 10 04:05:46 crimsonredmk: feel free to add it Sep 10 04:06:16 anyway andrew_ http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Sep 10 04:07:53 LMAO Sep 10 04:07:57 that IS too easy Sep 10 04:08:13 and then even when PatrickC_Pre did post the wiki page to liddle, liddle obviously didn't read it cause he immediately said he only added one feed and the wiki page clearly says many many times that you need both feeds. Sep 10 04:08:19 seriously in more than an hour of searching I did not find that page Sep 10 04:08:50 maybe im retarded Sep 10 04:09:04 andrew_: google "meta-doctor" finds the sprint 2 upgrade page as the first hit for me, and that page links to the above wiki page Sep 10 04:09:34 google "metadoctor" finds it too Sep 10 04:09:35 lol but what if he has a touchpad Sep 10 04:09:51 anyway, i'll add a redirect i guess Sep 10 04:10:54 always happy for folks to add whatever is needed to the wiki to make it easier to find things Sep 10 04:11:01 i do have touchpad Sep 10 04:11:02 there ya go Sep 10 04:11:23 really the problem is there are forums and shit with people with all kinds of links Sep 10 04:11:27 wonder if google and mediawiki search will catch it Sep 10 04:11:35 and there was a different wiki page i was looking at Sep 10 04:11:44 with another bunch of links... Sep 10 04:12:12 and i only have a basic understanding of what the hell im trying to do in the first place lol Sep 10 04:12:14 made 2, one for "meta doctor" and the other for meta-doctor Sep 10 04:12:18 should be enough Sep 10 04:13:02 i know that feeling rwhitby, people telling you go do this go do that bla bla Sep 10 04:13:04 lol Sep 10 04:13:34 so your the developer rwhitby? Sep 10 04:14:09 he's da man Sep 10 04:14:11 :D Sep 10 04:14:21 word Sep 10 04:16:01 crimsonredmk: thanks for the wiki redirects Sep 10 04:16:38 thank you for a wiki to put my 2 lines of redirect code on Sep 10 04:17:28 andrew_: yeah, the forum posts and articles and such make it hard for us to get the correct information out to people. That's why I continually tell folks in here to point people to the official wiki page as the first step before answering any question. Sep 10 04:17:54 and to pastebin.com a verbatim log of what they have done so far Sep 10 04:18:11 I find with those two steps, every single problem can be solved in seconds. Sep 10 04:18:25 yea Sep 10 04:18:35 instead wasting half an hour playing twenty questions Sep 10 04:18:43 problem for me is i dont really know whats been done so far Sep 10 04:18:44 s/instead/instead of/ Sep 10 04:18:44 rwhitby meant: instead of wasting half an hour playing twenty questions Sep 10 04:18:48 lol Sep 10 04:18:56 you dont like wasting time? Sep 10 04:19:00 with stragers? Sep 10 04:19:19 my buddy sold me this touchpad Sep 10 04:19:34 which he had used metadoctor to build a rom with Sep 10 04:19:43 which had some extra partition Sep 10 04:19:46 sigh Sep 10 04:19:59 and thats about all i knew when i started this 2 hours ago Sep 10 04:22:22 anyway thanks a bunch for both of ya'lls help I'll be good following the wiki directions now Sep 10 05:17:53 Anyone happen to know the equivilant of /usr/sbin/wifidriver from the pre to the touchpad? :x Sep 10 05:29:26 interesting script that wifidriver Sep 10 05:29:33 echo "Note -Most likey you have a Marvel EVK and Treo 650 Combination" Sep 10 05:29:36 echo "!!!!!!!!!!!!IS THE CARD PLUGGED IN????!!!!!!!!!!" Sep 10 05:30:33 dwc-: nice. yes they used Treo for initial development of webos Sep 10 05:31:00 destinal, its funny the things you find in .sh's and C's Sep 10 05:31:01 hehe Sep 10 05:31:04 the way its written Sep 10 05:31:17 the structure is similar to /usr/sbin/setup-tc.sh on the touchpad Sep 10 05:31:28 different purpose, I think Sep 10 05:31:59 but the program flow, the heavy use of caps and punctuation and grammar in error messages suggests to me one was based on the other, or the same person wrote both Sep 10 05:32:10 yea Sep 10 05:32:19 or the person just copied it Sep 10 05:32:23 from an other Sep 10 05:32:29 to save time on the script Sep 10 05:32:51 I don't see anything in the pmwif* manifests on the touchpad that looks like the wifidriver on my pre2 anyways Sep 10 05:33:01 yea, nor did i Sep 10 05:33:12 i think the whole wifi issue. is firmware based. tbh Sep 10 05:33:34 not sure what Absurdo33 was trying to do, I just figured I'd look at the packages they were from Sep 10 05:33:41 (and I was curious about what it did) Sep 10 05:33:42 t650 really? Sep 10 05:34:13 you didnt know? Sep 10 05:34:17 no Sep 10 05:34:32 I had heard there was a java version of webos very similar to android Sep 10 05:34:34 but not this Sep 10 05:34:37 pxa?? Sep 10 05:35:05 android had omap and danger even had an msm device pre ms I think Sep 10 05:35:19 but that was around the g1, this would have a few years before that Sep 10 05:36:09 For the TP. Im thinking the only android src. that would boot/work proper would be the aurora since its pretty much the only src ive seen supporting the 8660 Sep 10 05:36:11 but i could be wrong Sep 10 05:36:29 android userland source has little to do with the soc Sep 10 05:36:36 well soc is diff Sep 10 05:36:38 I guess you could be right about libhardware Sep 10 05:36:40 but you need it to boot :) Sep 10 05:37:03 without getting into userspace kind of useless Sep 10 05:37:05 =) Sep 10 05:37:27 android will pretty much run on anything Sep 10 05:37:31 it's run well that's the issue Sep 10 05:37:35 as you can, it's running Sep 10 05:37:40 but not running very well Sep 10 05:37:44 runs fine. Sep 10 05:37:49 no gpu Sep 10 05:37:52 hehe Sep 10 05:37:55 gpu works Sep 10 05:38:05 really? Sep 10 05:38:12 I guess gralloc worked then Sep 10 05:38:33 wifi is pretty much what is holding everyone back Sep 10 05:38:40 wifi should be easy Sep 10 05:38:42 i hear if you force the mac addy you can get it for a few Sep 10 05:38:44 that's weird Sep 10 05:38:49 should is key word Sep 10 05:38:50 but its not Sep 10 05:39:01 * roadkill looks at the name of this channel Sep 10 05:40:59 dono. wifi doesnt even work in linux Sep 10 05:41:06 and that should be super easy Sep 10 05:49:56 hi im trying to get the ubuntu chroot to work and i may be stuck Sep 10 05:50:09 i get service error unable to run command Sep 10 05:50:21 :{ Sep 10 05:50:29 does anyone have an idea what i need to do Sep 10 05:51:11 I have to be so close i did the meta doctor Sep 10 05:51:15 i mounted teh fs Sep 10 05:51:32 should I have restarted after mounting? Sep 10 05:53:32 still says it cant run Sep 10 05:53:46 dwc- - I am trying to get ad-hoc working ; it works for a few seconds then the system takes over and resets it i know about the /usr/sbin/wifidriver -i trick on the pre wondering if there is anything that will stop the system from trying to take the wifi over Sep 10 05:53:55 Service Error Sep 10 05:54:47 Absurdo33, in webos? I heard easytether works Sep 10 05:55:08 i am trying to tether from my android phone Sep 10 05:55:12 yea Sep 10 05:55:21 it can only create an adhoc network Sep 10 05:55:23 i heard easyther which is preware works to do it Sep 10 05:55:29 to connect to adhock Sep 10 05:55:31 to connect to adhoc Sep 10 05:56:14 except he's not using webos Sep 10 05:56:16 what android phone do you have Sep 10 05:56:21 ? Sep 10 05:56:31 me? I have a thunderbolt Sep 10 05:56:34 moto droid Sep 10 05:56:45 original Sep 10 05:57:04 doesn't have the hardware to create a hotspot only adhoc Sep 10 05:57:16 give easytether a shot from preware Sep 10 05:57:17 what version Sep 10 05:57:19 ive not tried it Sep 10 05:57:20 is it Sep 10 05:57:43 OG droid Sep 10 05:57:44 isnt easy tether like ifyou had a pre and you wanted to tether a laptop to it Sep 10 05:57:45 the orig Sep 10 05:57:51 yah but what version Sep 10 05:58:01 2.2 Sep 10 05:58:04 2.1 Sep 10 05:58:06 1.5 Sep 10 05:58:21 running cm7 Sep 10 05:58:47 which is 2.3.3 Sep 10 05:58:51 kk so that is good Sep 10 05:59:16 they said my phone wouldnt work as infrastructure either Sep 10 05:59:23 said the hardware didnt support it Sep 10 05:59:38 http://www.gearhack.com/myink/ViewPage.php?file=docs/Wireless%20Mobile%20Phone/Samsung%20Intercept%20SPH-M910%20HotSpot Sep 10 05:59:38 my phone really can't :P Sep 10 06:00:01 if you download http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/ beta Sep 10 06:00:08 you can change your phone profile Sep 10 06:00:12 to one that does Sep 10 06:00:46 I had to change my phone to a samsung epic 4g Sep 10 06:00:55 and it works now with my touchpad Sep 10 06:01:28 maybe it wont work but its extremely simple to try Sep 10 06:01:43 tony_: you can discuss that stuff in #touchdroid Sep 10 06:01:59 im not trying to install android Sep 10 06:02:07 already tried that Sep 10 06:02:16 kk well it was worth a shot Sep 10 06:02:17 android-wifi-tether is for webos? Sep 10 06:02:19 too Sep 10 06:02:21 like i said my phone is to old :P Sep 10 06:02:51 i dont see any program called easy tether Sep 10 06:02:53 i am trying to get ubuntu chroot installed on my touchpad and am getting a service error Sep 10 06:03:02 only something fcalled freetether Sep 10 06:03:37 there is also a guide on preware forums on how to do pan network with a non pre Sep 10 06:04:01 got a link? Sep 10 06:04:15 although tbh Sep 10 06:04:30 i have found the bt on the touchpad to be pretty horrible Sep 10 06:04:44 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/295862-first-non-webos-phone-fully-tetherd-hp-touchpad.html Sep 10 06:05:36 does anyone know why chroot can not run command /sbin/initctl Sep 10 06:06:30 - Data connection to you cell phones' network via Bluetooth is not supported for the TouchPad as of this update. Sep 10 06:06:33 ;x Sep 10 06:06:56 why would i want to make phone calls with a touchpad instead of my phone lol Sep 10 06:07:17 data doesnt count as minutes Sep 10 06:08:06 i dont think you understand :P Sep 10 06:08:08 or did i read that improperly Sep 10 06:08:30 was it saying that your touchpad would not be able to access the phone network to be used as a phone Sep 10 06:09:16 that lets you used the tp for making and recieving phone calls Sep 10 06:09:20 and text messaging Sep 10 06:09:26 not surfing the web Sep 10 06:09:49 kk Sep 10 06:13:44 Absurdo33: audio gateway? Sep 10 06:13:58 i guess Sep 10 06:14:09 I was looking at some stuff with q6, which is the audio chip the tp shares with msm phones Sep 10 06:14:20 it could be used to make a really nice sip client Sep 10 06:14:43 Sip sound promising:) Sep 10 06:14:49 so that you can make calls like you can skype calls from the TP Sep 10 06:14:59 Only webos 2.x and above, right? Sep 10 06:14:59 or use it as a speakerphone Sep 10 06:18:24 how do i know if my ext3fs is properly mounted Sep 10 06:19:31 'mount' and look to see that it's where you want it Sep 10 06:40:24 i did things out of order now i think im gonna have to doctor again Sep 10 06:40:28 :{ Sep 10 06:40:48 its not mounted in the right place and it says no such device exists Sep 10 06:41:53 i shouldnt have installed everything before i did the linux install Sep 10 06:42:13 tony i know the feelin Sep 10 06:42:13 g Sep 10 06:42:57 did u do any of the other partitions Sep 10 06:43:14 oh. nah i was/am playing with android porting Sep 10 06:43:20 so ive dr'ed many times :) Sep 10 06:43:26 okay Sep 10 06:43:57 do they have that up and running? Sep 10 06:44:28 semi Sep 10 06:45:18 oh i just read that the people who did the multitouch demo broke up sad Sep 10 06:45:42 its still being carried out from CM its cool Sep 10 06:45:56 and they did a better version of multitouch Sep 10 06:48:13 http://i.imgur.com/CrV0W.jpg Sep 10 06:50:18 the multitasking on webos is so much better than android i would just like to see a strong developer community to thrive on webos Sep 10 06:50:27 it will be Sep 10 06:50:29 for sure Sep 10 06:50:33 too many device out Sep 10 06:51:13 chances are when they fill the 99/150 orders. they will wait. and remake a version Sep 10 06:51:18 too many people like it Sep 10 06:51:51 and the people who dis-like it only have one claim. apps Sep 10 06:52:10 money to be made :) Sep 10 06:53:55 my only complaint is the web browser Sep 10 06:55:36 its a little whacky Sep 10 06:55:38 I am hoping that the ubuntu chrome install will help with that a bit Sep 10 06:55:39 but it does the job Sep 10 06:55:46 no ability to do javascript links Sep 10 06:55:55 i mean bookmarks Sep 10 06:55:57 not links Sep 10 06:56:08 i wonder how it runs with a linux chroot + X Sep 10 06:56:11 speed wise Sep 10 06:56:25 HP/Palm doesnt provide complete source for webkit Sep 10 06:56:26 ive never tried it tbh Sep 10 06:56:26 I am trying to find out Sep 10 06:56:52 i just wish you could replace the default browser on the touchpad Sep 10 06:57:06 then it would make since for like dolphin or opera to make their way here Sep 10 06:57:10 maybe you could? im not sure tbh Sep 10 06:57:14 if there was another Sep 10 06:57:34 so far all that i hve read says negatory Sep 10 06:58:10 so many have sold. its going to land in china and someone will hack it to pieces :) Sep 10 06:59:01 tiger direct had them today. sold in like 30 mins Sep 10 06:59:04 nuts Sep 10 06:59:06 i just kinda wish that hp would crack it totally open Sep 10 06:59:15 who knows they may. Sep 10 06:59:37 it all depends on their thoughts. personally i think they are saturitng the market with these units. making people like it. Sep 10 06:59:38 It needs things that I am not sure that they are prepared to do Sep 10 06:59:40 then wait a bit Sep 10 06:59:45 then push more Sep 10 06:59:49 graphics acceleration would be a big one Sep 10 06:59:58 thats my thoghts Sep 10 07:07:58 so quick install wont run while hp restores applications Sep 10 07:10:39 I'd think one could make a custom dr that would only restore the system and leave the aps? Sep 10 07:10:41 apps Sep 10 07:10:56 soo much stuff to research. I'm soo new to this all Sep 10 07:12:20 yah im kinda wierd on it because I should be really good with linux but im not Sep 10 07:12:31 dono. im prob going to try to write my first webos app tomorrow Sep 10 07:12:38 something simple to learn the ropes Sep 10 07:12:39 i know how to get myself in trouble Sep 10 07:13:10 i installed teh sdk and pdk on about four systems but havent the foggiest what i want to do with it Sep 10 07:13:14 this place is a great resource to get sample code Sep 10 07:13:15 to learn Sep 10 07:13:45 im terribad about starting something Sep 10 07:14:04 same here really. I tend not to finish and get bored Sep 10 07:14:09 or finish it half assed Sep 10 07:14:50 im more into taking the binary and dropping it into a dissasembler and reading asm. Sep 10 07:15:29 i do alot of develpment Sep 10 07:15:39 but its usually in something like neucleus Sep 10 07:15:47 or open embedded linux\ Sep 10 07:15:53 or if its an app its in qt Sep 10 07:16:01 i hate qt :) Sep 10 07:16:35 i like it,,,i like .net better but i like qt esp on embedded products Sep 10 07:16:45 eww .net Sep 10 07:16:46 lol Sep 10 07:17:39 I guess i dont like them because you really don't learn anything. if you start with them. soo many things are functioned out / setup for you already Sep 10 07:17:53 and you really have no idea what they are doing. but it "just works" Sep 10 07:17:54 javascript yay Sep 10 07:18:06 yah i like them because you can really abstract things to the extreme Sep 10 07:18:20 I like designing for interfaces and not implementations Sep 10 07:18:24 i prefer brute C or asm Sep 10 07:18:28 as my resume says lol Sep 10 07:18:32 least i know what is going on Sep 10 07:18:59 tony_: probably could have done lvm resize Sep 10 07:19:07 if you know what you're doing it's not bad Sep 10 07:19:27 hed need to lvmdelete first Sep 10 07:19:29 then resize Sep 10 07:19:29 we (in #touchdroid) have a an initrd and wiki page on that Sep 10 07:19:30 but yea Sep 10 07:19:37 delete? why Sep 10 07:19:52 ive always gotten rid of the ext3 then resized Sep 10 07:19:55 you can do it without? Sep 10 07:20:14 yeah you can do it withouth, but I mean instead of metadoctoring Sep 10 07:20:20 no data loss Sep 10 07:20:20 no i mean Sep 10 07:20:31 without lvmdelete /dev/blah/blah Sep 10 07:20:35 I just don't want to give those instructions in here Sep 10 07:20:36 to make it freespace Sep 10 07:20:38 I think so Sep 10 07:20:45 shrug i never tried that :) Sep 10 07:20:49 you just resize, lvm takes care of resizing the ext3/4 Sep 10 07:21:02 that's kind of the entire point :) Sep 10 07:21:02 hmm Sep 10 07:21:10 I guess i do it proper. delete it. resize it all back to stock Sep 10 07:21:15 then go again Sep 10 07:21:34 dr'ing wont remote the ext3 parts anyway Sep 10 07:21:41 remove Sep 10 07:22:02 rwhitby, was/is working on some gui to lvmX last i saw Sep 10 07:22:08 wonder how far it is. that would be really cool Sep 10 07:22:10 X 100 Sep 10 07:26:51 so has anyone found a good car charger for the tp Sep 10 07:27:00 ive seen a couple on amazon that claim to work Sep 10 07:27:17 but the tp requires what looks liek 2amps which is masive amount of current Sep 10 07:27:25 it doesnt charge over USB Sep 10 07:27:27 i know that much Sep 10 07:27:37 dono about car Sep 10 07:27:40 no cause usb is 100-300 ma Sep 10 07:27:48 i have a erm Sep 10 07:27:53 it needs 5v at 2000 ma Sep 10 07:27:54 cig liter -> Usb converter Sep 10 07:28:03 i wonder what would happen if i plugged in the usb cable Sep 10 07:28:07 prob boom Sep 10 07:28:11 most car chargers provide 300 - 400 ma Sep 10 07:28:23 lol Sep 10 07:28:31 an inverter would work Sep 10 07:28:38 but its so klugey Sep 10 07:30:39 tony_: A simple google search would answer your question. Sep 10 07:31:26 yah there are some on amazon Sep 10 07:31:34 I was just asking if someone had tried a few of them Sep 10 07:32:20 none of the ones on amazon have any reviews so i was asking if someone had already ordered one Sep 10 07:33:13 i guess i could read the forums if that is what you were meaning Sep 10 07:34:36 Ok, I need some serious help. I forgot I had a custom kernel installed on my TouchPad and went to "Device Info" and tried to do a Reset, now its giving me this long list of code and hasnt moved... I tried to restore in Doctor and it tells me the device cannot be restore.. Now I cant even get it back into USB mode... Sep 10 07:35:32 did you go into bootie to restore? Sep 10 07:35:40 while it off with usb out Sep 10 07:35:44 holding up + power at the same time Sep 10 07:35:50 till you see a USB sign Sep 10 07:36:15 rhcp[linux]: the doctor image does taht Sep 10 07:36:16 it wont go into that... I hold the buttons and all i get is a blank sceen Sep 10 07:36:23 boots through nova in bootie Sep 10 07:36:31 tmzt, no it doesnt Sep 10 07:36:44 not on the TP anyway Sep 10 07:36:44 installer image doesn't? Sep 10 07:36:47 nopes Sep 10 07:36:49 hmm Sep 10 07:37:03 you can extract one from the zip that does Sep 10 07:37:28 tmzt, he sounds bricked tbh Sep 10 07:37:35 i dont see how Sep 10 07:37:43 are you sure with the unit OFF Sep 10 07:37:45 where would that message be Sep 10 07:37:50 it seems that the TP is always on, cuz when I get the blank screen the only thing i can do is hold Home and Power for 10-15 seconds and it tries to boot, and goes into the line of code and saying "Erasing" Sep 10 07:37:56 device cannot restore Sep 10 07:37:58 pressing UP + power at the same time? for 15 seconds Sep 10 07:38:07 does not show a USB symbol Sep 10 07:38:10 Yeah... Nothing happens Sep 10 07:38:17 phantom77: wait for rwhitby or one of the wos people Sep 10 07:38:19 are you on linux? by chance? Sep 10 07:38:26 no Sep 10 07:38:29 too bad Sep 10 07:38:33 why Sep 10 07:38:34 id love for you to LSUSB Sep 10 07:38:40 i wonder if you are in QDL mode Sep 10 07:38:51 what is that haha Sep 10 07:38:59 rhcp[linux]: not with the message he received Sep 10 07:39:00 low level qualcom bootloader Sep 10 07:39:04 its an opportunity Sep 10 07:39:05 he said its always black Sep 10 07:39:08 phantom77: did you get that message from the device or your pc Sep 10 07:39:24 phantom77, try holding power + home at same time Sep 10 07:39:27 for 15 seconds Sep 10 07:39:31 that should hard reset Sep 10 07:39:32 the message saying.. cannot restore? that was from WebOs Sep 10 07:40:04 i have.. right now.. there is a huge line of code with what it looks to be a spinning black disc and code Sep 10 07:40:05 haha Sep 10 07:40:28 ok Sep 10 07:40:29 i press on the volume and it says... "volume up button has been pressed" Sep 10 07:40:33 then you should be able to get into (usb bootie ) mode Sep 10 07:40:41 turn it off like i said Sep 10 07:40:46 hold power + home Sep 10 07:40:48 15 seconds Sep 10 07:40:53 no usb in Sep 10 07:41:54 i do that and it basically tries to restart Sep 10 07:42:06 shooting me back to the huge line of code Sep 10 07:42:22 it will try to restart you need to catch it before it does. and hold power + vol up Sep 10 07:43:48 ok got it Sep 10 07:44:00 shows a bit usb sign? Sep 10 07:44:08 big Sep 10 07:44:12 yes Sep 10 07:44:14 k Sep 10 07:44:20 start the dr up Sep 10 07:44:24 and plug your USB in Sep 10 07:44:39 "cannot restore your device" Sep 10 07:44:44 from DR Sep 10 07:45:33 do you get debug? Sep 10 07:45:36 I do from linux Sep 10 07:45:39 or i mean.. "we are unable to" Sep 10 07:46:06 gets to 8% and bam that message pops Sep 10 07:46:35 alright. id say wait on someone who knows this better :) Sep 10 07:46:37 ive never seen that Sep 10 07:46:59 ahhh im selling this thing in the morning... fuck Sep 10 07:47:14 woot ubuntu is working im going to bed.gn Sep 10 07:47:32 why sell it lol Sep 10 07:50:00 tmzt, wait. Can he just oh Sep 10 07:50:06 he doesnt know how to use novaterm im sure Sep 10 07:50:07 forget Sep 10 07:58:34 i was going to set novaterm , setenv bootfile orig_uimagename Sep 10 07:58:35 fsboot Sep 10 07:58:42 would get him running Sep 10 08:07:39 The reset button effects /boot? Sep 10 08:07:42 weird Sep 10 08:07:47 and stupid at the same time Sep 10 08:07:49 lol Sep 10 08:08:03 setenv + fsboot doesnt even boot him Sep 10 08:09:09 =/ Sep 10 08:14:10 I think hes ok Sep 10 08:14:11 lets see Sep 10 08:15:16 *crosses fingers* Sep 10 08:15:43 yea im 99% Sep 10 08:15:53 i think you may need to do a restore after its done Sep 10 08:15:55 though Sep 10 08:15:59 but i dono Sep 10 08:16:03 wait and see Sep 10 08:28:00 its fixed! xD Sep 10 08:28:12 :) Sep 10 08:28:13 np Sep 10 08:28:41 let me see about the skipping thing Sep 10 08:29:49 the kernel stuck, so dont worry about the skipping Sep 10 08:50:31 sure is quiet around here at night Sep 10 08:51:11 Probably because most people are asleep. Sep 10 08:52:12 i wish i could sleep Sep 10 09:06:55 anyone know how I build an ipk with a pmPostInstall.script? Sep 10 09:07:01 Can palm-package do it? Sep 10 14:17:21 anyone installed ubuntu on a touchpad? Sep 10 14:33:16 d9es the synergy working now on the tp? like icq ect... Sep 10 14:48:12 the plugins haven't been ported /yet/ Sep 10 14:50:34 where is the kernel uImage? Sep 10 14:51:54 anyone use freetether? Sep 10 14:52:48 ACTION  Sep 10 14:53:49 hmm... the pre- no longer wants to boot.... Sep 10 14:53:55 :< Sep 10 14:54:09 Absurdo33: I use it Sep 10 14:54:34 how do you disable the ip forwarding and dhcp? Sep 10 14:54:45 pressing the buttons doesn't do anything for me Sep 10 14:55:09 why do you want to disable them? Sep 10 14:55:38 i am trying to connect adhoc to a phone Sep 10 14:55:45 so the phone is handling that stuff Sep 10 14:56:09 rwhitby, uNiXpSyChO|Zzzzz: ping? Sep 10 14:57:24 Absurdo33: I have no clue.. Sep 10 14:57:25 sorry Sep 10 14:58:51 np Sep 10 15:11:09 I never thought that UK would hurt my phone :/ Sep 10 15:11:43 I would love to try and compile webkit for webos thier current version for now. What tools do I need? Are there instructions? Sep 10 15:13:39 sucks that you can't scroll in an xterm window ;x Sep 10 15:13:49 why would I have *full* nocaterm access, yet still see tux? Sep 10 15:15:31 thomaschaaf: opensource.palm.com has the webkit patches and source .. good luck i guess? no instructions that i know of Sep 10 15:16:30 using the WIDK as a starting point is probably a good idea: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK - something like that Sep 10 15:23:32 why would a phone boot, but still show tux? Sep 10 15:24:41 my phone boots, starts wifi/cell data.. but I still only see Tux... Sep 10 15:25:26 guessing something crashed .. is luna running ? Sep 10 15:26:12 hmm.. idk Sep 10 15:26:40 how do I tell? Sep 10 15:26:43 check dmesg or /var/log/messages for things Sep 10 15:26:46 ps auxw | grep Luna Sep 10 15:26:54 I checked dmesg Sep 10 15:28:08 http://pastebin.com/A3PiUMfK Sep 10 15:28:12 ^^ that's the grep Sep 10 15:29:38 Absurdo33: uhm, what are you trying to do with freetether? Sep 10 15:30:20 i don't see why you wouldn't want ip forward and dhcp server Sep 10 15:30:37 my phone is the ip forward and dhcp server Sep 10 15:30:40 unless you really know what you are doing, in which case you probably wouldn't ask :) Sep 10 15:30:45 right Sep 10 15:31:04 i am using it as an interface to connect me to an adhoc network Sep 10 15:31:31 since i'm guessing it is doing something more than iwconfig eth0 ad-hoc...ect Sep 10 15:31:46 which seems to lose connection after a few seconds Sep 10 15:32:00 and the wifidriver -i trick doesn't work on a touchpad Sep 10 15:32:00 so you try to join an adhoc network which already has a dhcp server, and you want your phone to be a dhcp client? Sep 10 15:32:16 no i want my touchpad to be a dhcp client Sep 10 15:32:26 the phone has internet Sep 10 15:32:36 ah sry, the tp Sep 10 15:32:48 so you run freetether on the phone? Sep 10 15:32:54 no Sep 10 15:32:56 PatrickC: the capital L is not optional Sep 10 15:33:00 i have something similar tho Sep 10 15:33:08 creates an adhoc network Sep 10 15:33:17 its and android phone Sep 10 15:33:22 and runs a dhcp server and ip forward on the phone? Sep 10 15:33:23 ah ok Sep 10 15:33:38 yes Sep 10 15:34:06 i see alot of good ideas on the boards but no solutions to the adhoc problem ;x Sep 10 15:34:13 bpadalino: capital '? Sep 10 15:34:15 L* Sep 10 15:34:24 :( Sep 10 15:34:46 for luna? Sep 10 15:34:51 ah Sep 10 15:34:54 I see now... Sep 10 15:35:12 looks like luna is running Sep 10 15:35:46 Absurdo33: and you are sure that freetether on the touchpad could establish a connection with the adhoc network? Sep 10 15:36:18 it should be able to Sep 10 15:36:38 from what i understand it is a peer-peer connection Sep 10 15:36:44 adhoc that is Sep 10 15:41:44 Absurdo33: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/freetether/tree/src/luna_methods.c#n1451 - i think that is the code configuring the wifi Sep 10 15:43:16 hm, not correct. this is just disabling it :) Sep 10 15:43:52 but after it got disabled, it will enable the AP mode in http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/freetether/tree/src/luna_methods.c#n1284 Sep 10 15:44:15 and i assume this is not "adhoc" mode Sep 10 15:44:52 hmm interesting Sep 10 15:45:22 maybe i should write my own program ;x Sep 10 15:50:01 hrmpf, it doesn't like iwconfig etho mode ad-hoc Sep 10 15:51:46 anybody here an expert on the ubuntu install Sep 10 15:53:47 i edited the makefile for metadoctor according to meta doctor I can also increase swap and var partion sizes so I uncommented those lines as well do i need to mount those in webos Sep 10 15:55:19 stbuehler - the full command is iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc essid YOURSSIDHERE Sep 10 15:55:36 did you get it to work absurdo Sep 10 15:56:35 nope Sep 10 15:56:57 oh im sorry Sep 10 15:57:21 :/ Sep 10 15:58:36 Absurdo33: well, i've got a pre- here. perhaps it works on other devices... Sep 10 15:59:42 so do i need to mount those partitions or is that done automatically Sep 10 15:59:50 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking Sep 10 16:00:57 did you try the pan networking tutorial Sep 10 16:12:45 i was wondering if someone could help me with a enyo program i'm trying to make... Sep 10 16:17:04 I'm trying to make a list, but i can't seem to get it to work. i've been copying the info on the developer.palm.com but i can't get the list show up. any suggestions? Sep 10 16:20:15 Absurd-, what is your question? Sep 10 16:21:03 how to connect to an ad-hoc network with the touchpad. Sep 10 16:21:10 well Sep 10 16:21:14 and google tells me that the driver doesn't support it Sep 10 16:21:20 is it possible to use freetether to do that Sep 10 16:21:40 i know it seems to be able to host an adhoc connection Sep 10 16:21:57 no, it does not host an adhoc connection Sep 10 16:22:02 but can it be a client in the dhcp sense aswell Sep 10 16:22:27 if i change the partition size in meta doctor will it delete the old partions Sep 10 16:22:28 freeTether put its in AP mode Sep 10 16:22:29 the phone will be a real ap Sep 10 16:22:36 adhoc was removed from the driver a long time ago Sep 10 16:22:50 hmmm Sep 10 16:22:55 or do i need to go through the removal process and then do another meta doctor Sep 10 16:23:14 i can get adhoc working for like 10 seconds on the touchpad Sep 10 16:23:28 but then i os takes over and kills the connection Sep 10 16:23:49 try killing the wpa_supplicant :D Sep 10 16:24:19 not using any encryption if that is what you mean Sep 10 16:24:27 no. Sep 10 16:24:51 wpa_supplicant manages your wifi Sep 10 16:25:21 doesn't have to be encrypted, and wpa_supplicant can actually run on normal ethernet cards too. Sep 10 16:25:53 do you know of some documentation on that? Sep 10 16:26:11 i'm kind of new to this stuff just got my touchpad 2 days ago :P Sep 10 16:27:15 if you can't kill a process on the tp i'm not sure i can help you Sep 10 16:27:39 PuffTheMagic - okay so the freetether is making an ap, if a phone connections via this can it use the phones dhcp and gain internet access through it? Sep 10 16:28:42 theoretically yes i guess, the dhcp server could run on a wlan client, and the dhcp client on the ap. Sep 10 16:29:28 but you really should try to find a tethering software that puts your phone in ap mode (perhaps it even does, seeing as you don't know what ad-hoc and what ap is) Sep 10 16:29:46 that is the problem i physically can not do that Sep 10 16:30:01 the hardware in my phone only allows adhoc mode Sep 10 16:30:14 believe me if it was that easy i wouldn't be asking :x Sep 10 16:30:39 i do know what the differences are by the way Sep 10 16:31:04 i was assuming that freetether was making an adhoc network Sep 10 16:31:23 i didn't fire it up to check because i couldn't see how to disable the dhcp server Sep 10 16:31:30 so i knew it wouldn't work until i did that Sep 10 16:31:31 im not really follow what exactly you are asking Sep 10 16:31:42 okay so Sep 10 16:32:02 he is running a tethering on android which probably does ad-hoc mode and wants to connect with the tp Sep 10 16:32:03 i want my touchpad to make an ap type wifi network Sep 10 16:32:24 once my phone connects to the touchpad's network Sep 10 16:32:34 i havent messed with running freeTether on the TP Sep 10 16:32:39 but here is the problem with trying that Sep 10 16:32:47 once u put it in AP mode, it no longer has internet access Sep 10 16:32:58 so wouldnt do u much good Sep 10 16:33:02 i understand that Sep 10 16:33:15 PuffTheMagic: i think you got it wrong Sep 10 16:33:16 but u could use it to establish a link Sep 10 16:33:20 also i assumed you deved freetether since you made the thread about it sorry ;x Sep 10 16:33:24 the tp nas no internet access, that is the point Sep 10 16:33:44 the phone has internet access Sep 10 16:33:49 the android phone has internet Sep 10 16:34:13 Absurd-, FT could be modified to work like that in reverse Sep 10 16:34:57 its hardcoded right now to force dhcp Sep 10 16:35:08 yeah Sep 10 16:35:14 i see the green light Sep 10 16:35:21 but no ammount of tapping turns it off :P Sep 10 16:35:23 if you could disable the default gateway option in the tp dhcp server Sep 10 16:35:27 hi the swap partition size and the var partion size if I want to change the sizes do i need to remove them first Sep 10 16:35:31 and the dns server Sep 10 16:35:41 the dns isn't a big deal Sep 10 16:35:49 and then manually point the default route on the tp to the android phone Sep 10 16:36:09 no flash for webos? Sep 10 16:36:11 and join the wlan from android normal (not via tethering) Sep 10 16:36:14 Absurd-, if u work how to do this manually via cmdline, i will updated freeTether to support such a thing Sep 10 16:36:15 sup with that announcment Sep 10 16:36:19 i can manually alter resolv.conf to deal with dns Sep 10 16:37:10 Absurd-, does FT on the TP even work? does it put the wifi into AP mode? Sep 10 16:38:13 iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc essid your-hotspot-name Sep 10 16:38:13 dhclient eth0 Sep 10 16:38:25 it seems to puff Sep 10 16:38:34 i can see the network atleast Sep 10 16:38:38 1 sec ill try to connect Sep 10 16:39:08 :/ ad-hoc Sep 10 16:39:10 is not AP Sep 10 16:39:15 i know Sep 10 16:39:19 that but does work Sep 10 16:39:25 until the os takes over Sep 10 16:39:39 so stop the os servcices Sep 10 16:41:32 you know any gui process monitors? Sep 10 16:41:40 or should i do it via commandline? Sep 10 16:41:55 webos uses upstart Sep 10 16:42:02 ls /etc/event.d Sep 10 16:42:07 is where the init scripts are Sep 10 16:42:12 use start/stop to control them Sep 10 16:42:36 okay let me try that 1 min Sep 10 16:45:19 stbuehler was saying i should stop wpa_supplicant Sep 10 16:45:30 that is not found in /etc/event.d Sep 10 16:46:24 although there are some other things in here that might be relevant Sep 10 16:47:27 ill keep looking here Sep 10 16:47:52 "killall wpa_supplicant" Sep 10 16:48:02 PuffTheMagic - Can freetether use dhclient? Sep 10 16:48:29 ill try that stbeuhler Sep 10 16:48:34 if it gets restarted... you could try to hack the wpa_supplicant config (it should support adhoc) Sep 10 16:49:03 any idea where that is located? Sep 10 16:49:12 Absurd-, how would dhclient help an app that is supposed to be assigning addresses? Sep 10 16:50:29 just wondering if it is as easy as disabling the server and using a client ;x Sep 10 16:51:12 thats totally unrelated Sep 10 16:59:51 does anyone here know how to obtain the linphone stuff for Webos (Palm pre2) ? Sep 10 17:06:31 :) alone in this room ? Sep 10 17:38:37 Whats up party people? Sep 10 17:38:59 So the Show FirstUse app is just a placeholder for webOS 2.1.0 currently. Does this mean I don't need it and I missed reading something, or its just not ready yet? Sep 10 17:41:57 if its a placeholder then its a future attraction. Sep 10 17:42:32 does anyone know if it is possible to read a file's header with javascript (using node.js) or something? Sep 10 17:42:39 ah okay. Is tehre a way to actually use my profile over WiFi only on this device yet? Or do I have to buy a prepaid sim :C Sep 10 17:51:23 Saij: you can use the activation bypass tool, and then use impostah to activate your device Sep 10 17:53:07 do you need to setup bash to run scripts? Sep 10 17:53:16 no Sep 10 17:54:37 what is the default swap file size on the touchpad Sep 10 17:55:03 is it 512mb or is it smaller Sep 10 17:56:05 512 Sep 10 17:56:25 k will increasing it make the toucpad or the linux install perform better Sep 10 17:56:26 hmmm, all my email is stuck on retrieving email Sep 10 17:57:12 get all the subjects, but the message body never appears Sep 10 17:59:37 bedrock: I have the same problem. does it give you an error? Sep 10 18:00:22 reboot? Sep 10 18:01:56 tried that and remove/readd accounts :( Sep 10 18:02:12 anyone know what a touchpad with the home button flashing means Sep 10 18:02:27 wont power on otherwise Sep 10 18:02:29 vinylfreak89: new notification Sep 10 18:02:30 generally, it means you have a notification Sep 10 18:02:44 hold the home and power button and count to 30 Sep 10 18:03:33 i should note i t hink it might be dead battery wise Sep 10 18:03:35 its plugged in Sep 10 18:03:37 was running last night Sep 10 18:03:50 hmmm but if i unplug usb it keeps flashing Sep 10 18:05:18 yea its a battery thing Sep 10 18:05:23 just got the battery note Sep 10 18:05:56 wow i feel like an idiots i just can't get this script to run Sep 10 18:06:30 That's absurd. Sep 10 18:06:37 ;x Sep 10 18:07:09 keep getting -sh:script.sh:not found Sep 10 18:07:20 but i'm definantly in the right directory ;x Sep 10 18:07:55 is the script executable? Sep 10 18:10:38 i have #!/bin/sh at the top Sep 10 18:10:57 i don't think that makes it executable does it? Sep 10 18:11:30 chmod u+x Sep 10 18:11:38 ^beat me to it Sep 10 18:12:01 ./script.sh Sep 10 18:12:30 doesn't seem to help Sep 10 18:13:35 all permissions point to x as well ;x Sep 10 18:14:04 try "sh -x ./script.sh" as well to see if the script is doing something and trying to call itself or something bizarre Sep 10 18:14:58 ^ that seems to work Sep 10 18:15:23 weird Sep 10 18:15:26 interesting that it wont just execute without calling explicitely Sep 10 18:15:39 whats the first line of the script look like? Sep 10 18:15:44 what? sh -x completely worked rather than just showing you where the problem is? Sep 10 18:15:55 11:06 < dwc-> ./script.sh Sep 10 18:16:20 haydn - yes Sep 10 18:16:35 dwc- - didn't work Sep 10 18:16:43 what's the error? Sep 10 18:17:16 * haydn has just made a noise similar to a scooby doo "hwwwaaaaaaaa" noise Sep 10 18:17:36 -sh:./script.ch: not found Sep 10 18:17:46 err sh not ch Sep 10 18:18:16 how did you make the .sh file? Sep 10 18:18:34 using internalz Sep 10 18:18:54 if ./script.sh gives a "not found" error that's almost certainly (a) permissions (no -x) (b) bad interpreter line Sep 10 18:20:09 if you go into the internalz preferences, what does your settings say under 'text editor" under "newline format" Sep 10 18:20:18 and what does head -1 ./script.sh | hexdump say Sep 10 18:20:56 hmmm Sep 10 18:21:07 newline format defaults to windows Sep 10 18:21:08 omg, thanks bob! Sep 10 18:21:13 i knew impostah was there for a reason :P Sep 10 18:21:18 ok, change it to linux Sep 10 18:21:27 i'm just getting patchy right now, so I've been busy lol. So many patches :D Sep 10 18:21:28 open the file, resave, and hopefully that'll change it Sep 10 18:21:48 if not, try something like tr -d '\r' script.sh > script.sh.new && mv script.sh.new script.sh Sep 10 18:22:43 okay opened and deleted all newlines then recreated lets see if it works Sep 10 18:23:39 yup that did it Sep 10 18:23:44 thanks :> Sep 10 18:24:04 yay Sep 10 18:24:52 why a text editor for a linux embedded system would default to a windows newline format is beyond me :P Sep 10 18:25:54 witchcraft Sep 10 18:30:05 mirrors and smoke. Sep 10 18:30:34 hmmm 19:30 on a Saturday night, just finished work... do I a) go to the pub for dinner, b) order a pizza and install my new wireless router... I'm edging towards a... Sep 10 18:30:49 both! Sep 10 18:31:22 What, install my wireless router in the pub while eating pizza?? Sep 10 18:31:51 soudns great, does it not? Sep 10 18:32:04 or pub it up, get fuzzy, come back and eat pizza while doing IT work fuzzed Sep 10 18:33:53 anyone else get annoyed by bugs in apps that stop the app doing the only thing you bought the app for? =/ Sep 10 18:34:31 yeah, thats one of the more wtf moments you can have Sep 10 18:34:32 what app? Sep 10 18:35:58 TorrentTouch Pro, supports transmission apparently but any transmission server I setup always flips back to uTorrent... I've sent the dev an e-mail as I couldn't find the register button for their forum lol Sep 10 18:36:21 sounds like a mess lol Sep 10 18:38:11 just use the transmission web ui :) Sep 10 18:38:38 why would you ever pay for something like that?.. Sep 10 18:39:20 Seriously, can anyone find a "register" button here: http://support.rjamdev.info/ Sep 10 18:39:45 Absurd-: probably because a lot of people would use it to edit things on /media/internal and hook it up to a windows machine Sep 10 18:39:47 lmfao Sep 10 18:39:49 no i can not Sep 10 18:39:50 that's my guess anyways Sep 10 18:42:05 http://support.rjamdev.info/ucp.php?mode=register Sep 10 18:42:14 stbuehlet: I wanted to see if .torrent files were automatically passed from the browser to the app (doubt it tbh) Sep 10 18:42:17 there you go, it's been decreed by board policy Sep 10 18:42:50 rofl, nice level of support then! Sep 10 18:44:46 man Sep 10 18:44:52 what are those Test Patches in Other under preware Sep 10 18:44:55 it says not to install then Sep 10 18:44:56 but Sep 10 18:45:01 O.O Sep 10 18:45:03 i want to know what they do Sep 10 18:46:14 then download them and have a look at the patch file ;) Sep 10 18:49:00 will charging a touchpad on a car charger be bad for it? Sep 10 18:49:09 charger thats meant for a smartphone Sep 10 18:49:21 dont think it has any sort of regulator Sep 10 18:53:43 a smartphone charger will not work on a touchpad Sep 10 18:53:54 is there a particular reason why i cant seem to manage to copy a 476MB big file over openssh to /media/internal/downloads ? Sep 10 18:53:56 could it damage it? Sep 10 18:54:01 or it just wont charge well Sep 10 18:54:14 damaging probably not Sep 10 18:54:24 ok thanks Sep 10 18:54:30 it does too work Sep 10 18:54:35 smartphone TSs have 1A, TP TS have 2A Sep 10 18:54:45 you can't use the TS Sep 10 18:54:45 aah ok Sep 10 18:54:47 ty Sep 10 18:54:48 TS? Sep 10 18:54:51 but you can use the microusb port Sep 10 18:54:56 but no guarantee for no damage! :) Sep 10 18:54:57 oh touchstone Sep 10 18:54:58 it'll charge at 1A, not 2A though Sep 10 18:55:01 no thats not what im talking about Sep 10 18:55:08 same as if you use the phone wall charger on the touchpad Sep 10 18:55:11 actually using a non palm smartphone charger Sep 10 18:55:11 most smartphone chargers only give .5A just like a usb jack on a computer Sep 10 18:55:18 hey Sep 10 18:55:21 in fact it'll tell you it won't charge as fast Sep 10 18:55:28 yea i know Sep 10 18:55:29 ok thanks Sep 10 18:55:34 will risk it Sep 10 18:55:34 : Sep 10 18:55:35 :P Sep 10 18:55:42 can govnah NOT reset my options everything I boot off? Sep 10 18:56:18 you can remove and reinstall Govnah to reinstall them Sep 10 18:57:10 i guess it will just charge slowly i had heard it wouldn't charge at all on a low current supply Sep 10 18:57:56 i never plugged it in before because my phone charger is .35A and i didn't feel like waiting 2 days for it to charge :P Sep 10 18:57:58 it charges on 500mA from a computer usb port Sep 10 18:58:07 ... if you have the screen off Sep 10 18:58:11 just look in Govnah if it's > 0A Sep 10 18:58:28 but it doesn't fully charge overnight that way Sep 10 18:58:38 yeah ;x Sep 10 18:59:17 can't find any patches or apps that will actually keep my screen off while on touchstone ;x Sep 10 18:59:31 i turn the screen off when i put it on Sep 10 18:59:41 then it turns back on like 5 min later for no reason Sep 10 19:00:41 hello all you wonderful people. Im in the midst of the sprint pre2 franken process and im a bit efed at the moment. Anyone free to try and help? Sep 10 19:00:59 wouldn't be webOS boring if all behavior was expected? ;) Sep 10 19:01:56 I expect the unexpected so all behavior is expected for me ;P Sep 10 19:02:39 i posted the details here http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/298344-sprint-franken-pre2-cant-get-into-recover-usb-mode.html#post3146062 Sep 10 19:06:47 so no then? :( Sep 10 19:12:05 is any one here? am i muted? man its been forever since i used irc. :/ Sep 10 19:12:32 Not muted from my end. (Though if I'm muted I suppose you'll never know.) :) Sep 10 19:13:01 i see you. thanks Sep 10 19:14:57 dont suppose you know how to help me fixed a semi boned sprint pre2? Sep 10 19:15:22 Probably not; just frankened my Sprint into a P2 on Thursday, so I'm still getting to know it again. Sep 10 19:15:53 ah, i cant get the doctor to work / put the phone in usb mode Sep 10 19:15:56 Worth describing the problem, though; maybe someone else will recognize it and chime in. Sep 10 19:16:10 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/298344-sprint-franken-pre2-cant-get-into-recover-usb-mode.html#post3146062 <-- description Sep 10 19:16:12 Tried the startup key combo, I assume? Sep 10 19:16:28 power and volume up? Sep 10 19:16:45 Yeah, that. Can you tell whether the volume buttons are even working at all? Sep 10 19:18:04 not really any way to tell. since its the volume rocker on the gsm pre2 and i can't activate it Sep 10 19:19:03 Curious, when you've tried the "hold volume up while inserting the battery" thing, were you connected to the computer, to the wall power supply, or to nothing? Sep 10 19:19:16 computer Sep 10 19:19:26 I don't think it works that way. Try this (what I did): Sep 10 19:19:37 Remove battery, connect USB to wall power block. Sep 10 19:19:46 Should show a "Where's my battery?" icon. Sep 10 19:19:58 Hold volume up, insert battery, keep fingers crossed and button pressed. Sep 10 19:21:32 you are my hero!!! Sep 10 19:21:37 Cheers. :) Sep 10 19:21:47 so weird that it wont go to usb when plugged into a comp o_0 Sep 10 19:22:22 Did the exact same thing to me, so I went back and read the instructions I was following a little closer, and they did say charger, not computer. Sep 10 19:22:36 Figured it couldn't possibly make a difference, but just in case.... And there you go. Sep 10 19:22:42 odd question, is there a way to access the unbuntu files form within windows? Sep 10 19:22:53 Outta my league on that one. Sep 10 19:23:06 Depends on your VM system, though, I'm sure. Sep 10 19:23:21 cool. must reboot then Sep 10 19:23:25 thanks so much :) Sep 10 19:23:31 No problem, best of luck! Sep 10 19:23:55 Okay, just gonna leave this here in case anyone has some bright ideas: Sep 10 19:24:48 Just FrankenPre2ed, and have discovered the Voice Dial kills System Sounds issue. Saw script to recover sounds without rebooting. Any thoughts on either A) automatically running said script when VD exits, or B) creating an icon to launch the script without opening the terminal? Sep 10 19:25:36 onthe touchpad, can I print to non HP printers? Sep 10 19:26:04 it says my brother mfc790cw isn't compatible Sep 10 19:26:24 no Sep 10 19:26:29 apparently its only certified HP printers Sep 10 19:26:31 which is balls Sep 10 19:27:25 that can't be spoofed? Sep 10 19:27:41 no idea Sep 10 19:28:34 I thought it was HP E-Print compatible. Sep 10 19:28:45 it is Sep 10 19:28:48 which is their version of AirPrint Sep 10 19:28:58 but regular HP printers too Sep 10 19:29:09 I really want to be able to print Sep 10 19:47:05 yo foxfire, you still here? Sep 10 19:47:49 or anyone else who can help with a sprint franken pre2 Sep 10 19:48:01 Half here. Sep 10 19:48:55 so doctor ran, but it looks like it kind of magically finished around 60%. just jumped to "done" now when it boots i get the same spinning ring over gray clouds. Any ideas? just doctor again? Sep 10 19:49:27 Only thing I can suggest. Didn't see it when I went through the process. Sep 10 19:49:58 thanks i figured Sep 10 19:50:24 May want to check out: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover Sep 10 19:50:42 It describes what's happening at different points in the process. Need to make 84% for success. Sep 10 19:51:47 yea i think it crapped out before that. thanks. ive been all over that but the paranoia of something going wrong and too much coffee has made me question everything so i figured id ask. Sep 10 19:52:15 Just give it another shot, and maybe follow the log files it mentions to see what's going on if it fails again. Sep 10 19:52:32 i actually think my laptop locked itself due to not touching it for liek 10 min. may have tried to sleep which i imagine could cause problems Sep 10 19:52:39 will do thanks Sep 10 19:57:17 totaly stuck on 52% Sep 10 19:57:39 That's one it says won't recover. Once more into the breech. Sep 10 19:58:58 do i just yank it? Sep 10 19:59:00 lupos: are you using java -jar to run it? Sep 10 19:59:04 or wait for it to finish failing? Sep 10 19:59:13 do so, and save the log output and post it Sep 10 19:59:18 java runtime on unbuntu Sep 10 19:59:42 how do i run from command line? is there somethign in particular or just find and run it? Sep 10 19:59:55 java -jar foo.jar Sep 10 20:00:14 thanks Sep 10 20:00:22 so just being paranoid, its ok to just unplug it right now? Sep 10 20:01:09 I think that's all you can do, but I'm not an expert around here. Sep 10 20:01:17 (Just happened to come in with my own question. :) ) Sep 10 20:05:29 running now *fingers crossed* Sep 10 20:10:49 Sep 10, 2011 4:03:18 PM com.palm.nova.installer.core.DeviceInfo gatherPalmBuildInfo WARNING: palm-customization-info file not found, not expected if in ramdisk Unmounting /dev/mapper/store-root +++++runCommand /bin/umount flushing and closing -----runCommand MountUtils:unmount successful +++++runCommand /usr/sbin/lvm.static MountUtils: 0 logical volume(s) in volume group "store" now active Sep 10 20:11:07 crap, sorry, i dont think i understand the pastebin thing :( Sep 10 20:12:04 so thats where it crapped out. anyway. 52% Sep 10 20:12:45 lupos - it's a website that you connect to, with a box you put text in... Sep 10 20:13:01 When you hit submit, it should give you a url, which you then paste to the channel. Sep 10 20:13:08 ah der Sep 10 20:13:29 Some pastebins have an extra box with a channel list, so you can have the link automagically sent to that channel. I don't know if the one you tried to use, does. Sep 10 20:13:35 like so? http://pastebin.com/HFNuicbF# Sep 10 20:15:30 Yup! Sep 10 20:15:35 ... but that doesn't tell me, at least, anything about where it is ... Sep 10 20:16:37 Almost makes me wonder if the meta-doctor didn't build quite right. Sep 10 20:16:52 I can tell you that I ended up having to doctor my pre2 several times before I could talk it into working -- and never got it to work right using java -jar Sep 10 20:17:07 thats what im thinking. not sure how to check. just try it again i suppose Sep 10 20:17:09 Great, getting association failed with my wifi on my pre3 all of a sudden... probably a good time to swap out my dieing wireless router :( Sep 10 20:17:22 (although I know of no good reason for that to be a problem *shrug*) Sep 10 20:17:31 how else do i do it? Sep 10 20:17:35 Well -- I'd try running it again through the website, annoying as it is. Sep 10 20:18:04 through the wbesite? like to the original pre2 doctor? Sep 10 20:19:03 anyone have experience playing with wpa_supplicant? Sep 10 20:19:42 lupos - yeah. Sep 10 20:19:49 Annoying as it is. Sep 10 20:20:27 Anyhow -- have to run errands... good luck! Sep 10 20:20:38 thanks man Sep 10 20:29:03 My palm cpu load skyrockets when I turn it off Sep 10 20:29:12 some googling shows this is a common problem Sep 10 20:29:35 I just noticed that I don't have uberkernel installed (although govnah lets me change frequency) Sep 10 20:29:56 i'd be worried if my cpu load was anything other than super high rofl Sep 10 20:30:07 I tried to install uberkernel and I get errors about device kernel is not in factory condition Sep 10 20:30:15 ziggo0, but my phone dies in 3-4 hours Sep 10 20:30:30 sorry I was being sarcastic. Sep 10 20:30:39 oh, heh Sep 10 20:30:47 at idle load goes way down on my pre but if i do anything it just gets outta control Sep 10 20:31:12 my idle is between 15 and 20 when the device is off Sep 10 20:31:25 Do you have it underclocking by chance Sep 10 20:31:47 I normally use the 500/1000 screenstate mode Sep 10 20:32:06 I think I have uberkernel installed, although the preware installer doesn't think so Sep 10 20:32:45 ah...thats beyond me...i noticed when i set 250mhz as my off screen speed load spikes before it drops into standby Sep 10 20:33:08 mine doesn't spike, just sits high Sep 10 20:33:16 when I turn the phone back on, cpu usage drops significantly Sep 10 20:33:26 you have jstop installed? Sep 10 20:33:50 no, just read about that Sep 10 20:34:54 if you can get that in preware it will show you whats running at the time, how much memory its using and gives you an estimate of its load Sep 10 20:34:57 per process Sep 10 20:35:04 ok, I'll check it out Sep 10 20:35:08 should be able to shed some light on whats raping your resources Sep 10 20:38:02 ahh.. JsTop Sep 10 20:38:04 not jSTOP Sep 10 20:38:19 I thought, "if it's going to stop the java machine, my phone will use much less CPU!" Sep 10 20:41:25 that and ram Sep 10 20:41:39 whats even more nice about jstop is it runs in the back ground if you activate auto garbage clean up Sep 10 20:41:41 and keeps your ram free Sep 10 20:41:44 well tries to Sep 10 20:42:00 i noticed my phone starts around 320mb used....after half a day its up to 480mb then back down again Sep 10 20:42:19 mine's at 17mb Sep 10 20:43:47 still can't get this thing to run. no idea why. rebuild the doctor from scratch. always the same error at 52%: Sep 10 20:43:49 WARNING: palm-customization-info file not found, not expected if in ramdisk Sep 10 20:43:50 guess i meant overall (like in govnah) Sep 10 20:45:35 lupos: Looks like that may show up in other logs that don't fail where yours do, such as: http://forums.precentral.net/2936049-post3724.html Sep 10 20:45:53 (Admittedly that one failed too, but it just shows that might not be the source of the problem you're seeing.) Sep 10 20:46:15 gotcha Sep 10 20:47:00 Someone earlier said it took them a few tries, so I'd just give it a few more chances and hope for the best. It sounds like you're doing what the rest of us have done. Sep 10 20:47:00 i couldnt even manage to redoctor back to the original version for it. perhaps i have to re assmble both phone and redoctor the both? :/ Sep 10 20:47:08 beyond that im at a loss Sep 10 20:47:28 I imagine you'd have to reassemble to use the original doctor, yeah. So stick with this one for now. Hopefully it'll start acting properly. Sep 10 20:49:07 thanks. must run out for a bit. il let it all cool off and try again later. a little phone less time out may be thereputic ;) Sep 10 20:51:56 damn, uberkernel refuses to install Sep 10 21:03:23 does anyone know a way to make xserv terminal scroll? Sep 10 21:03:36 hehe Sep 10 21:03:39 if you find out. let me know Sep 10 21:03:42 thats my gripe :) Sep 10 21:03:45 err xterm Sep 10 21:03:47 ;x Sep 10 21:03:51 hit enter several times Sep 10 21:03:52 :P Sep 10 21:04:01 i just use |more all the time Sep 10 21:04:02 or less Sep 10 21:04:25 less is more (charmin ultra) Sep 10 21:14:03 has anyone made a oulook/newsgroup reader for the touchpad? Sep 10 21:14:46 If you use Google Reader, NomNomNom is my pick. Not sure about non-Google ones. Sep 10 21:15:07 yeah not usin the goog Sep 10 21:16:29 i always find threads hard to follow using google..tend to use old fashioned newsreaders or even live mail Sep 10 21:17:12 will check out nom tho thnx! Sep 10 21:18:16 so mad wanted to get another touchpad..qvc had a deal where u get the case and dock for 199..sigh..sold out..was the 32 gig so was a great deal Sep 10 21:18:45 Yeah, you and everyone it seems. Shame they didn't price the things a little lower to start with. Might have been interesting. Sep 10 21:19:20 well today a pal saw mine and said they wanted to get a table what do i recomend..i had to say ipad Sep 10 21:19:41 if your going to spend 500 bucks might as well Sep 10 21:19:48 or release the pre3 before the veer and touchpad Sep 10 21:20:28 Question is if the pre3 was even ready for prime time now. They've had so much trouble getting things really polished, but the later it comes out the further behind things are. Sep 10 21:20:28 I just restarted my palm pre. I open up the wifi application and switch it to "on" but it still says "wi-fi is turned off" Sep 10 21:20:32 now if the touchpad was available with a appmarket grandma can use..at say 300 id say that over the ipad all day Sep 10 21:21:16 http://ompldr.org/vYWFqZQ/CIMG0160.jpg Sep 10 21:21:52 bums me out i really like my touchpad and the pre def shoulda been more loved then it was/is Sep 10 21:22:43 PuffTheMagic, im having some now :) Sep 10 21:22:44 PuffTheMagic - needs less ipa imo! Sep 10 21:22:49 send some over. i could use more Sep 10 21:22:50 :P Sep 10 21:24:11 if hp released the "new" pad at 300 clocked at 1.5 and debugging crap off it would sell very well Sep 10 21:24:30 i cannot see why they wont Sep 10 21:24:33 thats my guess Sep 10 21:24:45 naw they are done Sep 10 21:24:48 they offloaded god knows to people /devs etc everyone loves it Sep 10 21:24:53 yea, so they say public Sep 10 21:25:02 rhcp, having some what? Sep 10 21:25:04 i think they are waiting X months. till peeps dev Sep 10 21:25:08 PuffTheMagic, beer :) Sep 10 21:25:12 If they backed down from that, people might think HP were incompetent. Oh wait. Sep 10 21:25:13 apoteker doesn't want to sell hardware, he doesn't know how Sep 10 21:25:18 unless they fire the enterprise loving ceo.. Sep 10 21:25:22 hardware is hard. Sep 10 21:25:23 margins are too low Sep 10 21:25:31 Absurd-, never can have too much IPA Sep 10 21:25:36 I still think they will come and sell them again Sep 10 21:25:40 to bitter for my tastes ;x Sep 10 21:25:52 rhcp, naa they are down for the count Sep 10 21:25:57 they said they will, but only because they have agreements to take the parts off their partners Sep 10 21:25:58 we'll see. Sep 10 21:26:03 so they might as well put them together Sep 10 21:26:18 you know they could silently "let someone else sell it" Sep 10 21:26:23 not HP branded :) Sep 10 21:26:25 thats maybe 100k more im guessing Sep 10 21:26:39 oh ya, those are the ones HP SMB is fulfilling their orders with though Sep 10 21:26:43 to finish thier parts cleanup..lol Sep 10 21:26:45 there will be no new orders Sep 10 21:26:48 PuffTheMagic, I wish Sep 10 21:26:53 i wish i knew the deal with SMB Sep 10 21:27:00 Im either going to get 2 / 4/ / 14 Sep 10 21:27:08 id love to know for a fact Sep 10 21:27:09 :P Sep 10 21:27:27 I think SMB is now any orders that weren't cancelled will be fulfilled in 6-8 weeks. Sep 10 21:28:46 if thats true. im getting 14 Sep 10 21:28:49 wife took my tp to work and everyone went nuts at this new marvel..lol..was truely a laugh/cry thing..stupid hp... Sep 10 21:28:51 lol Sep 10 21:29:16 dont worry. they will continue it in some fashion. Sep 10 21:29:22 just like IBM said no more laptops and lenevo took over Sep 10 21:29:25 its still ibm Sep 10 21:29:26 :P Sep 10 21:29:58 i though lenovo is gonna go all in on win 8 tho? Sep 10 21:30:01 Quality on ThinkPads is way down since going from IBM to Lenovo. Can't stand 'em anymore. Sep 10 21:30:06 no, its not ibm, its lenovo Sep 10 21:30:32 lol Sep 10 21:31:17 when people actulally get to use a pre or touchpad they love it Sep 10 21:32:07 the dream is hp lets webos go opensource..dobt that will happen tho Sep 10 21:32:10 themike, u mean webos... no one has loved a pre Sep 10 21:32:18 * oil <3 pre Sep 10 21:32:22 i liked the pre..lol Sep 10 21:32:32 especially Pre2 Sep 10 21:32:34 maybe i was only one...lol Sep 10 21:32:55 wasnt it first phone to teather? Sep 10 21:33:03 lol Sep 10 21:33:28 every time i pick up another phone nomatter the os i try to backgesture Sep 10 21:33:42 then im like "oh thats right, they suck, where is this back button? top left?" Sep 10 21:33:50 my flight attendant pal used hers as a mobil hotspot when travelin city to city Sep 10 21:33:57 pretty much yeah oil Sep 10 21:34:13 how are event.d files disable? Sep 10 21:34:52 chmod -x ? Sep 10 21:35:12 they are not executed Sep 10 21:35:31 PuffTheMagic, if they came out with a verizon 4G LTE webos device. id jump on in 10 seconds Sep 10 21:35:32 :) Sep 10 21:36:03 funny coming from someone who is trying to remove webos from the TP Sep 10 21:36:14 ;x Sep 10 21:36:17 and didn't come to webos until it was $99 Sep 10 21:36:18 is funny. tbh Sep 10 21:36:29 i don't mind webos Sep 10 21:36:29 but, i really enjoy webos now Sep 10 21:36:41 just the fact i can't connect to my phone :/ Sep 10 21:36:44 it just has very very small flaws Sep 10 21:36:57 which should be fixed if im right Sep 10 21:37:06 if sombody had a cleaned up webos os that you could put on whatever ya wanted like android it would be very popular Sep 10 21:37:26 rhcp[linux], why not spend some time getting webos working on a 4g LTE vzw device Sep 10 21:37:42 you kidding i hope Sep 10 21:37:49 not at all Sep 10 21:37:52 i bet if you offered a way to run droid apps on the touchpad nobody would dump webos..its just too nice Sep 10 21:37:53 have you ever seen the RIL for LTE? Sep 10 21:38:01 RIL? Sep 10 21:38:08 radio code Sep 10 21:38:14 its all java Sep 10 21:38:19 ahh LOL Sep 10 21:38:27 lol java Sep 10 21:38:29 screw that hardcore Sep 10 21:38:30 well thats cause its android right? Sep 10 21:38:36 shouldnt be hard to get that working as C Sep 10 21:38:40 oil: that's what happens when you use a touchpad too, isn't it? Sep 10 21:38:48 PuffTheMagic, it doesnt work 100% in the OSS setup Sep 10 21:38:53 dwc-: not as much Sep 10 21:38:54 since its closed src atm Sep 10 21:39:03 auroa has LTE code. which 'works' Sep 10 21:39:03 lame Sep 10 21:39:06 can anyone here help me? my verizon palm pre plus won't turn on wi-fi Sep 10 21:39:07 maybe because its not in one hand with the thumb over it Sep 10 21:39:12 which is where all the AOSP people got it from Sep 10 21:39:22 close buttons and back buttons are all over the place Sep 10 21:39:24 rhcp[linux], well it seems like all the pieces are there Sep 10 21:39:43 does it see any wifi nn7? Sep 10 21:39:43 my assumption is palm doesn't have a UI guideline for that Sep 10 21:39:48 sure, if you want some half crapped thing Sep 10 21:39:52 dwc-: i haven't seen one Sep 10 21:40:08 themike, no. if I load up the wi-fi application and slide it to "on" it still says wi-fi is off Sep 10 21:40:09 even in their own apps it's not always consistent Sep 10 21:40:21 props to the person who/if does do it. Sep 10 21:40:22 rhcp[linux], i would take half crapped webos on any new HTC phone any day Sep 10 21:40:40 hmm..thats wierd Sep 10 21:40:54 themike, I've restarted the thing, toggled the phone radio, etc. Sep 10 21:42:23 ive see problems connecting to a specifi wifi signal but never not being on at all// Sep 10 21:43:12 I get the little spinny icon but it never seems to activate the radio Sep 10 21:43:14 wait..i take that back i had this with a droid..was only after i put sim in and updated could i turn on wifi Sep 10 21:43:22 was a att and t thing Sep 10 21:49:00 mobile hotspot won't start either Sep 10 21:49:20 shows the spinning icon and says "Turning on Mobile Hotspot" Sep 10 21:51:04 so you cant recieve or send a wfi signal.. Sep 10 21:51:31 correct Sep 10 21:51:49 i dunno..as a last resort id remove the battery and try again Sep 10 21:52:11 hmm... well I just put this battery in Sep 10 21:52:17 that appears to be where my problems started Sep 10 21:52:25 I had the seidio 2600mah battery Sep 10 21:52:36 yeah but who knows electronics iz wierd..lol Sep 10 21:52:45 and noticed that my screen was not fitting well, either was the battery cover Sep 10 21:52:52 when I investigated I found that the battery was swelling Sep 10 21:52:58 so I put the original palm battery back in Sep 10 21:53:18 wow Sep 10 21:53:22 not good Sep 10 21:57:05 well keep askin nn7 sombody im sure has the answer Sep 10 21:57:18 im gona go eat..starvin Sep 10 21:57:28 take care peoples Sep 10 22:05:58 hey Sep 10 22:06:41 sauriks here? Sep 10 22:17:14 anyone familiar with wpa_supplicant? Sep 10 22:18:12 i think google is Sep 10 22:18:29 yeah i know :P Sep 10 22:18:35 ;) Sep 10 22:18:45 but google is wrong Sep 10 22:18:53 that or this doesn't work in webos Sep 10 22:21:52 anyone know if there's a way to launch a file by mimeType? Sep 10 22:22:27 files the browser downloads don't always have the correct extension Sep 10 22:28:13 I've done the emergency patch removal, still can't turn on wifi Sep 10 22:32:25 anyone using n2o wireless? Sep 10 22:34:53 PuffTheMagic - do you know of any automatic processes that would reconfigure wireless interfaces? Sep 10 22:36:24 Absurd-: have a look at the network manager (nm) tools like nm-connection-editor Sep 10 22:37:06 haydn - I am looking for something that would change my setting after i do a iwconfig Sep 10 22:38:06 so i can end it ;x Sep 10 22:39:13 I can't install uberkernel either Sep 10 22:40:19 i love my veer D: if I had a chance to use it before, I'd have bought it even earlier ... btw just talking out of context :p Sep 10 22:40:30 can anyone help me with this stuff? Sep 10 22:40:42 uber kernel complains that files don't verify Sep 10 22:40:52 I've tried installing the palm default kernel numerous times Sep 10 22:41:30 I'm no expert but isnt it just .. installing preware, adding test feed, installing kernel .. that's it Sep 10 22:41:43 it keeps spitting out errors Sep 10 22:41:47 divStar: how do you find the size of the veer? I wanted 1 but they were never sold in the UK. Now I've got a Pre3 the Pre- seems too small so god knows how I'd find a veer! Sep 10 22:41:47 if the kernel is supported by your device I guess.. but then again I think most palm devices are supported Sep 10 22:41:55 I've removed all patches and installed the default palm kernel Sep 10 22:42:21 says "Device kernel is not in factory condition, refusing to install replacement" Sep 10 22:42:37 haydn - to be honest I find it perfect .. it fits into just about any pocket .. and I can do exactly what I want it to do.. listen to music, check emails, browse some web here and there .. Sep 10 22:43:05 oh yeah .. and sms + phone (tho I am terribly disappointed by the Veers antenna for receiving signal) Sep 10 22:43:43 nn7 - sorry pal .. I don't know what do D: .. I remember I even did have patches installed Sep 10 22:43:54 yet it didn't complain and just updated to a warthog kernel Sep 10 22:52:16 preware has the option "Use this package to reinstall the official webOS 1.4.5 kernel from Palm." But I'm on 1.4.5.1, not sure if that's different. Sep 10 23:06:51 anyone here tried putting webos2 on a palm pre? Sep 11 00:10:11 General question to the room: If I wanted to create a small app to run a couple of Linux commands, what's the best way to accomplish that? Sep 11 00:11:04 anyone know if the facebook chat patch is working again in 1.4.5 for the pixi? Sep 11 00:11:22 FoxFireX: node service probably Sep 11 00:15:09 Any suggestions where to go look to start learning up on that? Or should general node.js tutorials pretty much cover it? Sep 11 00:21:36 is there anything similar to adb for android that works with a touchpad via usb? Sep 11 00:22:14 IE lets you have a commandline interface to the device Sep 11 00:22:40 I think you're looking for novaterm. Gives you shell access. Part of the SDK. Sep 11 00:22:59 okay thank you Sep 11 00:26:22 FoxFireX: there's a hello service in the SDK Sep 11 00:26:49 once you get that working, using child_process to launch stuff Sep 11 00:27:24 if you need root access, you'll need this: http://mobilecoder.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/using-the-homebrew-javascript-service-framework/ Sep 11 00:28:04 this may be a good starting place also: http://gitorious.org/usb-mass-storage-tools-service Sep 11 00:29:11 this won't work? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm Sep 11 00:29:35 Cool. Thanks. :) Sep 11 00:29:45 Absurd-: I was talking to FoxFireX Sep 11 00:29:48 novaterm is what you want Sep 11 00:29:49 ahh Sep 11 00:29:54 kk Sep 11 00:30:41 be careful, you'll be root Sep 11 00:31:00 Understand. Looking to do something very limited. Sep 11 00:48:40 novaterm keeps giving errors for me although it seems to be working Sep 11 00:48:48 can't really use it with the error popups ;x Sep 11 00:51:39 what error popups? Sep 11 00:52:39 ************* Exception Text ************** Sep 11 00:52:40 System.OverflowException: Arithmetic operation resulted in an overflow. Sep 11 00:52:40 at WalburySoftware.TerminalEmulator.uc_Keyboard.KeyDown(Message KeyM Sep 11 00:52:45 and so on.. Sep 11 00:52:56 unhandled exception Sep 11 00:53:14 windows? Sep 11 00:53:22 althought like i said i can type but every letter i get that error popping up Sep 11 00:53:25 w7 x64 Sep 11 00:53:35 use linux or OSX Sep 11 00:53:42 heh Sep 11 00:53:46 it doesn't have to run in a terminal emulator then Sep 11 00:54:06 i think there is a way to get putty working as well i might try that Sep 11 00:54:20 don't feel like working on my macbook ;x Sep 11 00:54:31 connect it to your macbook Sep 11 00:54:36 ssh into into it :P Sep 11 00:54:46 i guess :P Sep 11 01:46:40 anyone know a workaround to log into https sites on the touchpad? Sep 11 01:51:06 when you have ubuntu running how does it share internet from webos? Sep 11 01:51:50 it's chrooted isn't it? Sep 11 01:51:58 yes Sep 11 01:52:07 but what does that mean exactly? Sep 11 01:52:25 well, it's not running in a VM Sep 11 01:52:56 so its almost like just a different shell? Sep 11 01:54:20 it's using the same kernel Sep 11 01:54:33 so I don't think there's any "sharing" going on Sep 11 01:58:37 gah LunaDownloadMgr, I hate you Sep 11 02:04:39 woot! Sep 11 02:04:47 just installed WebOS 2 on my palm pre plus Sep 11 02:04:54 how do I get preware on the new phone? Sep 11 02:05:43 use the preware installer Sep 11 02:06:39 thanks! Sep 11 02:06:51 wow, that was easy Sep 11 02:30:19 anyone alive? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 11 02:59:56 2011