**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 12 02:59:57 2011 Sep 12 03:29:07 Is it still required to delete your backup prior to metadoctoring to a frankenpre2? Sep 12 03:37:16 so I was running the Emergency File Verification yesterday, and it was complaining that the flashplayer.so file was modified Sep 12 03:37:29 it's patched with Hulu Fix Sep 12 03:39:12 will that be an issue if and when another update comes out? Sep 12 03:40:07 Depends if they updated the flashplayer.so Sep 12 03:40:15 update* Sep 12 03:41:16 are the updates usually applied as a diff? Sep 12 03:41:31 Something like that Sep 12 03:41:57 More complicated that that, but it doesnt send a 300mb OS over. Sep 12 03:43:00 I hope the flash player gets updated - they need to fix that autostart bug Sep 12 03:43:24 What bug Sep 12 03:43:34 autostart is pref is busted Sep 12 03:44:10 there's no reference to the string in the binary at all Sep 12 03:44:17 2.1 plugin has it Sep 12 03:44:45 Oh. Turning it off doesnt do anything? I think I remember hearing that Sep 12 03:45:01 yep Sep 12 03:45:10 Adblock has mostly removed the need for it though Sep 12 03:45:24 it sucks that the pref is implemented IN the plugin Sep 12 03:45:35 that means it's still getting loaded into memory Sep 12 03:50:27 there we go, basic auth support for downloads in the browser Sep 12 03:53:28 link? Sep 12 03:53:37 uploading it, hold on Sep 12 03:55:41 http://forums.precentral.net/3146709-post26.html Sep 12 03:56:06 it's combined with my patch to support cookies for downloads right now Sep 12 03:56:14 not really dependent though Sep 12 03:58:19 question here Sep 12 03:58:24 hmmm, Veer, to buy or not to buy Sep 12 03:59:11 my preware disappeared from my touchpad and i cant find it anymore on my webos quick install Sep 12 03:59:23 any of you have an answer to this? Sep 12 03:59:55 reinstall it? Sep 12 04:02:18 im trying but it doesnt show on Web OSQuickinstall 4.2.3 Sep 12 04:03:37 that's an old version Sep 12 04:03:50 So now I can download from Dropbox? :p Sep 12 04:04:19 Abyssul: I dunno, let me try it Sep 12 04:04:35 Google Docs works now Sep 12 04:04:40 I know before it would just didnt understand what I wanted to do Sep 12 04:04:51 (from the dropbox website, not any app) Sep 12 04:05:33 "Unable to run command: /sbin/initctl start .org.webosinternals.xterm 2>&1 unknown job" Sep 12 04:05:37 stupid xterm Sep 12 04:06:00 weird, it doesnt show only on my touchpad, with my wifes touchpad shows preware on WebOSQuickinstall Sep 12 04:06:22 is preware already installed on it? Sep 12 04:06:24 that may be why Sep 12 04:06:46 was installed on it Sep 12 04:06:51 suddenly disappeared Sep 12 04:07:15 Abyssul: yes - you can download from Dropbox's site now Sep 12 04:07:21 downloaded an 8 MB pdf Sep 12 04:07:41 time to visit the doctor Sep 12 04:08:06 noooo lol Sep 12 04:08:15 didnt wanted to erase it :( Sep 12 04:08:18 not you Sep 12 04:08:19 me Sep 12 04:08:24 oh lol Sep 12 04:08:37 Viral_Weaponry: use one of the other installation methods on http://install.preware.org/ Sep 12 04:08:57 whats some good preware Sep 12 04:09:01 for tp Sep 12 04:09:11 i tried with PrewareInstaller same directory as webdocor jar and failed Sep 12 04:10:17 its arm right? Sep 12 04:10:21 Viral_Weaponry: yes Sep 12 04:10:33 Viral_Weaponry: you can use the bootstrap method over the WOSQI command line Sep 12 04:10:37 oclet: Browser Power Swipe :P Sep 12 04:10:59 Viral_Weaponry: or install the SDK and use palm-install Sep 12 04:11:08 yeah i have tha tone Sep 12 04:11:14 ill try that one right now Sep 12 04:12:40 oclet: Ad block, open mail into folder list by default, Internalz Sep 12 04:14:24 Meh. Browser power swipe is annoying when it moves the webpage with it Sep 12 04:14:36 we need that system wide though Sep 12 04:15:17 you mean like this? http://forums.precentral.net/3147217-post32.html Sep 12 04:15:26 all Mojo apps at least Sep 12 04:15:49 works with Preware, Internalz, etc Sep 12 04:19:33 Abyssul: if you have an idea to fix it to not move tha page though, go ahead Sep 12 04:24:22 lol tried all the ways and nothing Sep 12 04:24:37 it looks like its intalled but doesnt show Sep 12 04:24:56 have you tried a reboot of the device? Sep 12 04:25:28 tried via novaterm and the command line and it says it ok and nothing Sep 12 04:25:36 i did like 3 reboots Sep 12 04:25:42 gyrojoe, for the browser though. Couldn't it detect if there are two fingers on the screen an d halt any page movement? Sep 12 04:25:55 could it be because the partitions i made for the android build? Sep 12 04:25:59 of course that would run intp problems with pinch and zoom Sep 12 04:26:03 thats the only thing i did on my touchpad Sep 12 04:26:22 which differentiate it from my wifes touchpad Sep 12 04:26:28 Abyssul: the problem is that is being handled natively, in the browser control Sep 12 04:26:49 For shame Sep 12 04:27:04 Viral_Weaponry: watch it with the-os-the-must-not-be-named, check the topic Sep 12 04:27:05 Oh well. Id never use it in the browser even if it worked properly Sep 12 04:27:28 oh im sorry Sep 12 04:27:52 so the only thing i did was some partitions, just that Sep 12 04:28:08 gyrojoe, patch installed with no error. Luna restarting Sep 12 04:28:09 i can install all the stuff with webos quick install Sep 12 04:28:16 what's up Viral_Weaponry? Sep 12 04:28:20 but not the preware itself Sep 12 04:28:52 did you use the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE in the meta-doctor? Sep 12 04:29:08 yup Sep 12 04:29:24 did you read what it does and what can happen first? Sep 12 04:29:30 tried even selecting the ipk manually from the quick install Sep 12 04:29:49 did you follow the instructions to fix it? Sep 12 04:29:50 can happen about what? Sep 12 04:30:12 when you use the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE switch  Sep 12 04:30:12 Power swipe doesnt bring back to card view Sep 12 04:30:14 which instructions? Sep 12 04:30:21 in the MAKEFILE Sep 12 04:30:34 Abyssul: yea - it only works at Stage level Sep 12 04:30:50 Not a big deal Sep 12 04:30:59 Just keep me from hunting for that back button Sep 12 04:31:08 u mean the preware installer.jar? Sep 12 04:31:09 up swipe is for card view Sep 12 04:31:15 hey Abyssul: did the facebook exhibition patch ever get pushed? Sep 12 04:31:18 again, it's a native vs. not thing Sep 12 04:31:22 Viral_Weaponry: did you use a meta doctor? Sep 12 04:31:38 PatrickC_TP, ummm I dont think so Sep 12 04:31:50 i used it once Sep 12 04:31:56 I never submitted it since it requires you to change the images for it to look decent Sep 12 04:32:15 Though the scrim patches are similar in that regard Sep 12 04:32:25 Viral_Weaponry: when you did it, did you uncomment the AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE part? Sep 12 04:32:32 Abyssul: yeah Sep 12 04:32:32 gyrojoe, can you make the up swipe more sensitive? Sep 12 04:32:48 guess not Sep 12 04:33:06 Viral_Weaponry: how did you originally install Preware ? Sep 12 04:34:03 with the quick install Sep 12 04:34:29 Viral_Weaponry: have you looked at the troubleshooting section of the WOSQI guide in the app catalog ? Sep 12 04:34:50 nope Sep 12 04:34:57 Abyssul: it's in ther kernel I think Sep 12 04:35:11 Viral_Weaponry: you should look there first, and then go to the corresponding forum thread. Sep 12 04:35:35 we recommend following http://bit.ly/phd-ac for Preware installation, not instructions from some other site. Sep 12 04:35:38 gyrojoe, mmk. Just saw you edit the mojo framework with that last patch Sep 12 04:35:50 I saw it too Sep 12 04:36:02 im at the preware site following those instrucionts Sep 12 04:36:08 instructions* Sep 12 04:36:12 ok Sep 12 04:36:38 well, you have at least 4 options there, and you're saying none of them work? If so, you need to doctor and start again. Sep 12 04:37:14 damn Gods hate me! Sep 12 04:37:18 um Sep 12 04:37:20 help Sep 12 04:37:22 Abyssul: yes, it adds a global handler to each scene to detect the gesture Sep 12 04:37:23 sorry Sep 12 04:37:27 lol ok thnx then Sep 12 04:37:29 Viral_Weaponry: it's punishment for trying to replace webOS ;) Sep 12 04:37:35 haha Sep 12 04:37:35 how do i create a new user in the terminal world Sep 12 04:37:37 LOL! Sep 12 04:37:49 like through useradd Sep 12 04:37:52 So much work over Preware installation Sep 12 04:38:10 gyrojoe, you should ask for some bounty for that patch :p Sep 12 04:38:22 thank you very much guys Sep 12 04:38:25 Be like, pay up peeps Sep 12 04:38:32 i guess ill doctor the hell out of this Sep 12 04:38:34 Anyssul: what patch? Sep 12 04:38:50 adds back swipe to any mojo scene Sep 12 04:38:56 with two finger power swipe Sep 12 04:39:06 touchpad??? Sep 12 04:39:07 awesome Sep 12 04:39:13 Mojo only mind you Sep 12 04:39:24 Enyo doesnt really need it Sep 12 04:39:37 yeah Sep 12 04:39:40 yeah Sep 12 04:39:54 wasn't there a patch like that for the browser too? Sep 12 04:39:56 Wait... this makes 2.x apps easier to port to TP resolution Sep 12 04:40:09 yeap Sep 12 04:40:10 Just change the Uirevision and the back button is taken care of Sep 12 04:40:21 Instead of adding it manually like we've been doing Sep 12 04:40:47 Assuming the apps scale properly Sep 12 04:41:20 well, what do you need to do/add to the app to make this work? Sep 12 04:41:32 Abyssul: I already wrote it - you can't have a post patch bounty :P Sep 12 04:41:49 add the uiRevision attribute to the app json file of your choice Sep 12 04:41:53 and set that value to 2 Sep 12 04:42:14 there's a thread where people are HDifying apps Sep 12 04:42:26 Yeah but it only has like 5 apps Sep 12 04:42:31 Abyssul: I know that. but to make the powerswipe work Sep 12 04:42:41 Nothing? Just install the app Sep 12 04:42:45 Patch, not app Sep 12 04:42:49 ah Sep 12 04:42:52 how do i create a new user in the terminal world Sep 12 04:42:52 so you need a patch Sep 12 04:42:53 like through useradd Sep 12 04:42:57 It works globally for any mojo scene Sep 12 04:43:04 what file(s) do/does the patch change? Sep 12 04:43:12 maybe it could be packaged with the app? Sep 12 04:43:12 mojo framework Sep 12 04:43:14 mojo framework Sep 12 04:43:25 ahh Sep 12 04:43:36 PatrickC_TP: yes, it's possible if you add the listener to all scenes Sep 12 04:43:45 Which seems like a pain Sep 12 04:43:52 when its best to just add it globally Sep 12 04:43:54 and then the patch wouldn't be needed? Sep 12 04:44:41 for that app it wouldn't Sep 12 04:44:42 The patch would just be composed down into an app specific patch... Sep 12 04:44:42 cause, for people who *don't* have the patch, and install the app.. won't be able to go back Sep 12 04:45:06 You can't modify the app files yourself and then package it up and redistribute it though Sep 12 04:45:23 Unless the author gives you permission Sep 12 04:45:25 I'm talking about if I was to do it in my app.. Sep 12 04:45:30 Oh, yeah Sep 12 04:45:34 :) Sep 12 04:45:38 Then you could just do that Sep 12 04:45:45 but why code in mojo? Sep 12 04:45:51 for porting Sep 12 04:45:59 universal apps? Sep 12 04:46:22 well, I would go the route more of a fat-packed app for that Sep 12 04:46:55 I'm working on helping a dev port a mojo app to touchpad (still gonna be mojo for now) but this might be a nice added touch :) Sep 12 04:47:26 need to teach the users though Sep 12 04:47:42 yeah Sep 12 04:47:48 I'll include a back button, and that Sep 12 04:47:57 for power users to be able to just power swipe :) Sep 12 04:48:32 I think I want to reverse the direction Sep 12 04:48:41 Na Sep 12 04:48:49 It mimics the 2.x back swipe gesture Sep 12 04:49:02 but a tweak is nice if possible Sep 12 04:49:41 left to right seems more ergonomic for right handed users Sep 12 04:50:07 Oh yeah... it is backwards isnt it Sep 12 04:50:13 Even to mimic the back gesture Sep 12 04:50:17 PatrickC_TP: did you play with Enyo apps on pre2? Sep 12 04:50:25 oh shit, the Internetz is available in preware Sep 12 04:50:44 Idk anything anymore! Sep 12 04:51:01 is there a stop-device-wipe for webos 1.x devices? Sep 12 04:51:07 Jack87: yes Sep 12 04:51:18 PatrickC_TP: any luck? Sep 12 04:51:23 some Sep 12 04:51:33 back gesture is right to left on Pre- Sep 12 04:51:35 hold on, lemme switch to mojo wIRC :) Sep 12 04:51:43 the enyo doesn't have notifications Sep 12 04:51:58 gyrojoe: internalz pro which lets you mess with dir other than just /media/internal Sep 12 04:52:20 Jack87: ? Sep 12 04:52:41 Jack: He said "Internetz" Sep 12 04:52:46 not Internalz :) Sep 12 04:52:56 Enyo is so beautiful... Sep 12 04:53:03 hmm Sep 12 04:53:10 gyrojoe: the one in preware is internals pro... its on the precentral feeds I believe Sep 12 04:53:15 oh lol Sep 12 04:53:18 doctoring doesn't wipe /media/internal Sep 12 04:53:32 scratch that Sep 12 04:53:59 PatrickC_TP: so what was your experince with the Enyo apps on your pre2?> Sep 12 04:54:15 Jack87: they kinda run ok.. if that's what you are asking Sep 12 04:54:26 some things (like media permissions and media capture) crash it Sep 12 04:54:31 rwhitby: if I take a webos 1.4.5 device, does it wipe if I log into the same profile from a new webos2 pre2? Sep 12 04:54:47 PatrickC_TP: just asking in general. did you just copy the Enyo frameworks dir over to the phone? Sep 12 04:54:50 and I had to edit the enyo.js file in order to get swipe-to-delete working and scrolling Sep 12 04:54:53 yeah Sep 12 04:55:10 I looked at the stopdevicewipe page, but it doesn't look like impostah can be used like that on 1.4.5 Sep 12 04:55:12 PatrickC_TP: what did you change in enyo.js Sep 12 04:55:13 copy the Enyo framework to /usr/palm/frameworks/enyo Sep 12 04:55:19 I don't remember... Sep 12 04:55:26 actually, someone told me what to change Sep 12 04:55:30 each app had an enyo.js? Sep 12 04:55:31 Anyone familiar with calendar api's want to help fix an abandoned app? Sep 12 04:55:36 NuttyBunny is the one who told me Sep 12 04:55:37 what's our chances of metadoctoring 2.2? Sep 12 04:55:42 (its mojo btw) Sep 12 04:56:19 PatrickC_TP: did you ever get the touchpad catalog working on the phone? Sep 12 04:56:23 Jack87: no. you the entire Enyo folder from /usr/palm/frameworks/Enyo on the TP to /usr/palm/frameworks/Enyo on the phone Sep 12 04:56:27 Jack87: nope Sep 12 04:56:38 gyrojoe: I think they are working on it Sep 12 04:56:39 not sure Sep 12 04:56:44 * PatrickC_TP checks the git repo Sep 12 04:56:47 I dont think anyone is working on it Sep 12 04:57:48 TP keyboard is way nice for writing Sep 12 04:57:51 I thought that someone was. I don't think it'll be /too/ hard.. Sep 12 04:57:52 wircing* Sep 12 04:58:02 Jack87: the BT or OSK? Sep 12 04:58:07 BT Sep 12 04:58:12 yeah Sep 12 04:58:15 I'm on it right now :) Sep 12 04:58:27 I wish it was as simple as inserting the webOS.tar onto the phone Sep 12 04:58:30 OSK can be a bitch (me always liked physical keyboards hence always owning palm devices) Sep 12 04:59:07 * Jack87 wants remote keyboard access from phone to TP that be sweet as hell Sep 12 04:59:48 maybe an app when set as active card routs keyboard via BT to TP (haha I am just imaging shit prolly not even possible) Sep 12 04:59:54 doubt it's going to happen over bluetooth Sep 12 05:00:00 maybe over the network Sep 12 05:01:00 gyrojoe: perhaps if we can get pan working via phone to tp Sep 12 05:01:28 which will also in turn enable BT tethering via freeTether Sep 12 05:01:45 need to deliver the keycodes somehow though Sep 12 05:02:28 BT keyboard support probably comes from the kernel Sep 12 05:05:48 so do developers have to enable touch to share capability for their apps for it to work? Sep 12 05:06:06 simply having the same app on each device doesn't seem to do the trick Sep 12 05:06:25 only got it to work with browser Sep 12 05:12:34 speaking of the keyboard, I found one today Sep 12 05:12:45 complete set! =) Sep 12 05:12:58 Clark008: what do you mean Sep 12 05:13:16 the touchpad bluetooth keyboard Sep 12 05:13:36 where how much Sep 12 05:13:38 got everything else except for this and I found one today at best buy Sep 12 05:13:50 35? Sep 12 05:14:28 best buy went back to regular price, but you can ask to price match from office depot, which is listed as $30 Sep 12 05:14:59 there's still some in other stores, check your local best buy Sep 12 05:15:33 Clark008: everything seems to be fresh out here in salt lake Sep 12 05:15:54 well not only salt lake I have checked every office depot best buy office max staples in a 40 mile radio's Sep 12 05:15:58 radius Sep 12 05:16:36 what's so great about these keyboards? Sep 12 05:20:44 wow... online maybe? Sep 12 05:21:03 chiclet style keys with buttons specifically for touchpad Sep 12 05:21:42 don't really need one, but it's nice to have and of course getting the full set Sep 12 05:21:45 its nice when using stand/case or touchstone to hold TP up Sep 12 05:22:39 yup, I have it docked on touchstone and paired with bt kb Sep 12 05:22:59 though I can't seem to navigate cards or items using arrows... Sep 12 05:24:36 Clark008 yeah arrows are non functional other then moving the curser.. its pretty annoying Sep 12 05:24:46 pricy Sep 12 05:24:51 I'd rather have a Veer Sep 12 05:25:05 gyrojoe: cheap for $30 Sep 12 05:25:13 hmm Sep 12 05:25:21 UberKernel won't install Sep 12 05:25:27 I've read the rules :) Sep 12 05:25:29 compared to other BT keyboards its really cheap that is Sep 12 05:26:07 ^^ Sep 12 05:26:30 trying to get a cheap veer too... Sep 12 05:26:38 everyone's still listing at $450... Sep 12 05:27:01 I have a veer.. but makes me sad that I can't use it on sprint Sep 12 05:28:04 time to visit the doctor again I guess Sep 12 05:28:17 * Jack87 likes storing ipks on box.net and installing via preware Sep 12 05:29:16 I wish box.net was dropbox Sep 12 05:29:51 my fav is zumo drive... but since they got bought by Motorola then Motorola by google. its gone down hill big time Sep 12 05:30:42 and using box.net/dav it works pretty nicely Sep 12 05:30:50 drag and drop into browser is pretty sweet to Sep 12 05:32:30 * eliasp uses ownCloud ( http://owncloud.org ) Sep 12 05:36:01 dav? Sep 12 05:36:13 yeah, I would've liked veer on sprint Sep 12 05:36:20 or drop that pre3 that they're stockpiling Sep 12 06:13:16 they've got to have a ton of Pre3s around Sep 12 06:13:22 wonder what will happen to them Sep 12 06:14:17 I'd get one if VZW wasn't crap. Sep 12 06:14:29 proprietary crap Sep 12 06:14:39 GSM Pre3s Sep 12 10:24:04 would frankenpre2 insturstions work on virtualbox running ubuntu? Sep 12 10:31:38 hi Sep 12 10:31:50 * Douilspee just got a touchpad \o/ Sep 12 10:35:20 grats Sep 12 10:35:40 lucky you :) Sep 12 10:35:58 Douilspee, is there a SD slot in it ? Sep 12 10:38:29 nope Sep 12 10:40:26 Hi, Did anyone try accessing the compass via hid? Sep 12 10:42:12 SimpsonTP: no i don't think so Sep 12 10:42:26 anyone has quick way to put ssh client on touchpad ? Sep 12 10:42:36 optware I think Sep 12 10:45:49 for SD something looks like a slot oposite to volume button Sep 12 10:47:05 it outputs a plastic piece with SN written on it, but does not looks removable Sep 12 10:47:24 that's the "serial number" tray Sep 12 10:47:28 it's the same as on HP's high end servers Sep 12 10:47:40 there's always a nice little thing to pull out to get your serial # Sep 12 10:47:42 SN slot lol Sep 12 10:54:01 its a mass production cost thing. they planned some 3g versions for sure and just didnt made a different frame Sep 12 11:02:29 Douilspee: install OpenSSH from Preware and Xecutah from testing.preware.org Sep 12 11:03:35 rwhitby: ya ty Sep 12 11:04:07 it's what i'm trying to do Sep 12 11:04:29 http://bit.ly/phd-ac has instructions for the first bit Sep 12 11:04:49 ok ty Sep 12 11:06:23 i try from there http://roxarmy.com/tuto-installer-preware-le-cydia-du-touchpad/ Sep 12 11:11:12 Can I do the software portion of FrankenPre2 off live ubuntu or virtualbox ubuntu? Sep 12 11:12:15 either is fine Sep 12 11:12:39 Thanks. Sep 12 11:15:25 rwhitby, sorry to trouble you. Did anything come of linphone of webos? Sep 12 11:15:50 the latest is in the forum thread Sep 12 11:16:01 working? Sep 12 11:16:40 I'm not the developer, nor have I tested it. The latest is in the forum thread. Sep 12 11:16:51 dafuck browser fail to download a 700ko file ... Sep 12 11:16:55 ok cheers Sep 12 11:56:08 was tryin to download new browser app bht it failed..some errors Sep 12 12:05:45 hmm, looks like a regular Pre touchstone doesn't work with a Pre3 :( Sep 12 12:06:06 ordered 2 of them, just plugged it in and put my Pre3 onto it, but nothing happens :( Sep 12 12:07:19 it does Sep 12 12:07:57 does it only work when using the wallcharger instead of a laptop's USB connector? I can't imagine that... Sep 12 12:08:06 okay... my google is failing me Sep 12 12:08:40 anyone have a link to rod's instructions to fix email attachment's after being bitten by the muffle patch? Sep 12 12:09:03 i just put the pre3 on the pre- touchstone-setup and it worked ;) Sep 12 12:09:35 hmm, weird Sep 12 12:09:44 gonna test it with the wallcharger Sep 12 12:14:44 you can't power a touchstone from usb, Sep 12 12:16:12 crap? I have to remove my email accounts to get this working again?! :( it's my yahoo and that'll delete all my chat history too (I think) Sep 12 12:16:26 directhex: yes, just saw that too in the manual... probably because most laptops only provide 100mA instead of 500mA USB power output Sep 12 12:16:38 directhex: but even when using the wallcharger it is the same ;( Sep 12 12:19:57 pre3 definitely works on original pre- touchstones. Sep 12 12:21:53 hmm, then one of the components must be broken... very unlikely the Touchstone itself, as it doesn't work on both ;( Sep 12 12:22:13 Touchstone doesn't need to be enabled somehow in the settings, right? Sep 12 12:22:41 nope Sep 12 12:23:21 usb cable is all the way in? Sep 12 12:23:32 directhex: yes Sep 12 12:24:19 You sure you have a usb cable that's setup for the high charge rate? Sep 12 12:25:20 cat-xeger: it's the original one which came with the Pre3 Sep 12 12:25:44 k. Sep 12 12:26:12 eliasp, most laptops provide 500mA, but the touchstone needs 1A Sep 12 12:27:06 ah, I think I've found the problem... the wallcharger didn't fully connect yet... it consists of 2 parts which need to be rotated against each other Sep 12 12:27:42 yeeehaw Sep 12 12:27:43 it works Sep 12 12:27:50 sorry for bothering you : Sep 12 12:27:52 :( Sep 12 12:28:09 Heh. There's nothing like an audience for solving problems ;> Sep 12 12:28:14 :) Sep 12 12:35:46 arf, can't get webosquickinstall to reconize my pad Sep 12 12:36:19 novacom -l ? Sep 12 12:36:38 i installed twice Sep 12 12:37:01 i didn't ask if you installed twice, i asked if novacom -l listed your device Sep 12 12:37:45 where to type that ? i'm on a windows box Sep 12 12:38:21 oh. i have no idea then. Sep 12 12:38:27 did you enable developer mode on your device? Sep 12 12:39:12 also a question : when i plug USB, a window popup for usb disk : i have to choose the "cancel" option ? Sep 12 12:39:26 yes i'm in dev mod and i setup password Sep 12 12:39:36 ah. that'll be the problem. Sep 12 12:39:51 i activated dev mode withis key webos20090606 Sep 12 12:39:59 you need to unlock the usb session before anything will talk to the device... but i don't know how to do that on windows Sep 12 12:40:25 on linux, you can use novacom -r yourpassword -c login. then it works after that Sep 12 12:41:33 ok so i plug usb, i run novacom command and webosquickinstall should work ? Sep 12 12:42:06 yes. Sep 12 12:42:07 e.g. Sep 12 12:42:21 directhex@dream:~$ novaterm Sep 12 12:42:21 login using a password required Sep 12 12:42:21 directhex@dream:~$ novacom -r XXXXXXXX -c login Sep 12 12:42:21 directhex@dream:~$ novaterm Sep 12 12:42:21 JoShieldsHPPre3 / # Sep 12 12:42:38 the novacom -c login is what unlocks the session Sep 12 12:42:48 okok ty for info Sep 12 12:43:36 ok i'll try on win or later @home from linux box Sep 12 12:44:36 Douilspee: also make sure to run the latest novacom.. I was wondering why novacom didn't detect my Pre3... until I upgraded to a novacom which had the USB-ID of the Pre3 included ;) Sep 12 12:46:19 http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-3-1-a.html good source ? Sep 12 12:47:23 usb not charging on dev mode ? Sep 12 12:47:59 v4.2.1 should include the latest novacom Sep 12 12:48:13 4.3.1 Sep 12 12:49:42 directhex: what is my "login" ?? Sep 12 12:50:28 you don't need one. "-c login" is the command. "-r XXXXXX" passes XXXXXX as the password Sep 12 12:50:40 okk Sep 12 12:50:42 tyy Sep 12 12:51:40 french pre3's in stock Sep 12 12:51:40 https://eurostore.palm.com/epages/Store.sf/secP83h2PVSESo/?ObjectPath=/Shops/PalmStore/Products/HP-FB436AA-ABF Sep 12 12:51:46 £170 Sep 12 12:52:05 i have to work right now, i'll geek later Sep 12 12:54:27 nope, they just ran out Sep 12 12:59:32 found novacom.exe on my win, will try later Sep 12 14:02:44 os tools says battery = 40%, installed software says 2% Sep 12 14:03:35 also i didnot not managed to charge on direct USB, using powerplug atm Sep 12 14:31:43 hi Sep 12 14:32:00 anyone knows how to debug a website on the touchpad ? Sep 12 14:32:19 ie: getting the log sent through console.log and any js warnings/exceptions Sep 12 15:28:56 a Sep 12 15:53:41 ;/clear Sep 12 15:53:42 oops Sep 12 15:56:00 can someone direct me to the wonderful person who's doing all the fancy swipe gestures in the browser? I have several important questions to ask him/her :) Sep 12 16:03:10 I didn't know anyone was doing that Sep 12 16:08:02 I wonder how HTC could consider buying something that isnt for sale... Sep 12 16:10:17 I've only seen reports that they've considered buying *a* mobile OS, not specifically WebOS. And you could certainly make an offer even if something isn't publically for sale. Sep 12 16:11:31 mberg: i just dont believe the BS that P|C and WOR is putting out there Sep 12 16:11:59 surprise HTC would even consider WebOS. I think they heavily invested in either android or windows Sep 12 16:12:22 They produce both. Sep 12 16:12:32 microsoft wouldn't let htc make webos Sep 12 16:12:36 devices Sep 12 16:13:21 The speculation of why someone would buy WebOS is that Google + Motorola and Microsoft + Nokia represent burgeoning verticals. Sep 12 16:13:23 HTC is pretty much the only WP7 partner they have other than LG, who has a horrible reputation in the US, and Samsung, who's out of the WP7 game Sep 12 16:17:50 I'm not really putting any stock in any speculation at this point. Not sure I believe the stated goal of licensing is something HP can actually pull off, which leaves sale or spin-off, with sale seeming the far more likely. But the number of viable buyers is pretty damn small. Sep 12 16:36:26 i'm trying to novaterm into my pre3 .... i've set a developer mode password, which i can't delete now ("password may not be empty") Sep 12 16:36:39 novaterm -r secret -t does reply with "password requiered" Sep 12 16:36:47 any loophole i did not see? Sep 12 16:36:54 crimsonredmk, the deterioration of the microsoft/htc relationship is the only reason we even know the company exists - they lost their "main wm6 oem" status and started making their own devices & coveting android Sep 12 16:37:11 DThought, novacom -r secret -c login Sep 12 16:38:07 directhex: ah Sep 12 16:38:17 and afterwards simply "novaterm" ? Sep 12 16:38:19 weird. Sep 12 16:38:21 thank you Sep 12 16:44:42 preware installed :) Sep 12 17:01:29 novacomd does not seem to be starting from my debian box, but it worked before? Sep 12 17:03:52 /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd Sep 12 17:07:50 * discord doh! Sep 12 17:07:53 wish the wpa_supplicant source was available then maybe they would have included the .config Sep 12 17:08:04 it helps when you plug the cbale in Sep 12 17:27:03 i used webos doctor on the touchpad and opened the browser and went to gmail, where i auto logged in Sep 12 17:27:22 does the webos profile backup/restore browser cookies/sessions?! Sep 12 17:27:59 yep Sep 12 17:28:33 that's crazy, dawg Sep 12 17:28:51 anyone an idea which headers are necessary to compile within ubuntu chroot? Sep 12 17:38:21 any headers you would normally need to compile on an ubuntu non-chroot Sep 12 17:39:38 in short, "it depends on what you're trying to compile" Sep 12 17:39:50 sudo apt-get install build-essential ? Sep 12 17:40:27 also, if it's already in the ubuntu repos, I find that apt-get build-dep works wonders towards dependency resolution Sep 12 17:52:47 hm.. webos crashes when trying to access /dev/video :-D Sep 12 17:57:47 on all the OC kernels, what is all the file storage stuff about? Sep 12 18:06:38 Anybody else see sudden battery drain on Verizon Pre+s? Have 2, WiFi connected, 2 locations, 1 w/new bat, yet both died in abt 4 hrs! ...hacked? ...servers off-line? ...had/loved for over a year. Sep 12 18:07:34 a better question for me to ask is: who around here is the best expert on the touchpad browser? specifically with regard to both user scripts and custom swipe gestures Sep 12 18:07:48 ooh! a user script that runs on a custom swipe gesture! brilliant! :P Sep 12 18:09:46 like ThumbNav now on pre... but programmable? ...record/resend keystrokes? Sep 12 18:13:33 can't get novacom to work :/ Sep 12 18:16:11 anybody know why they are using ext3 instead of ext4 for the ubuntu partition? Sep 12 18:18:02 CWFlink: I don't know if its coincidence or not but my pre+ on VZW for the past several days has been getting some pretty terrible service, wifi or not my battery has been draining a lot faster. Sep 12 18:19:01 Whenever you get crappy cell service, batteries drain A LOT faster Sep 12 18:19:12 Yeah Sep 12 18:19:29 Except - I haven't left home where I normally have 4 or 5 bars and it was draining a lot faster... Sep 12 18:19:56 probably just paying better attention to it lol Sep 12 18:20:01 pre+ battery is horrid Sep 12 18:20:48 you know how else you get crappy battery life? Sep 12 18:21:01 using the device at all! Sep 12 18:21:12 when you forget you left a ping running in a minimized window on your laptop Sep 12 18:22:20 hahaha Sep 12 18:22:26 thats funny lol Sep 12 18:22:33 playing some PDK game like NFS! :D Sep 12 18:22:45 "wtf, why's it alerting me at 20%... I just took it off the charger at work 2 hours ago!" Sep 12 18:24:16 20to0 drop! :D Sep 12 18:24:48 strange.... lots of bars @ two locations. Wife's died in 4 hours sitting beside cell repeater on DSL. Sep 12 18:24:57 ok so i'm on win xp, with touchpad, and can't connect novacom :/ unable to find device Sep 12 18:25:34 having dev-mode activated? Sep 12 18:26:08 yes with password Sep 12 18:26:16 password bad Sep 12 18:26:30 i try novacom.exe -r password -c login Sep 12 18:26:51 i try use an easy password : no change Sep 12 18:28:46 i also tryed to spam webosquickinstall just after i plug USB Sep 12 18:43:05 ok got it to work : in windows device list, novacom was not well installed, so i manually re-setup driver using .inf in programs files / palm inc / novacomd / Sep 12 18:43:32 before that i tryed reinstall driver with the .jar 3 times Sep 12 18:56:13 i dont want android. i want webos 3 Sep 12 18:58:57 I applied a patch to wpa_supplicant to mask adhoc networks as intrastructure ones, but now I get a bunch of errors in config.c Sep 12 19:07:01 if I'm unable to mount the ext3fs folder, does that mean that metadoctor was installed improperly? Sep 12 19:08:01 root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# mkdir -p /media/ext3fs Sep 12 19:08:01 root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# mount -o remount,rw / Sep 12 19:08:01 root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# echo "/dev/mapper/store-ext3fs /media/ext3 Sep 12 19:08:04 fs ext3 noatime,data=writeback 0 0" >> /etc/fstab Sep 12 19:08:06 root@ColinsHPTouchPad:/var/home/root# mount -a Sep 12 19:08:09 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory Sep 12 19:11:36 fuck i can't believe how much time i spent going through the meta doctor install, reinstalling preware+apps since it was wiped after metadoctor install, and now this? What could have possibly gone wrone? Something to do with the prefs.db file? I get a penguin holding a pre at boot, doesn't that mean metadoctor is installed? Sep 12 19:13:40 discord Sep 12 19:13:49 you didnt do the makefile correctly Sep 12 19:13:52 give me one sec Sep 12 19:14:22 ok the metadoctor make file Sep 12 19:14:34 http://leo.gaggl.com/2011/08/ubuntu-extending-the-hp-touchpad/ Sep 12 19:14:41 open that makefile using Sep 12 19:14:48 what linux are you using? Sep 12 19:14:58 i did this Sep 12 19:15:01 make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all Sep 12 19:15:05 no no Sep 12 19:15:08 still not right Sep 12 19:15:17 nagivate to the meta-doctor folder Sep 12 19:15:18 type ls Sep 12 19:15:31 and you should see "build", downloads... blah blah Makefile Sep 12 19:15:39 you need to edit the one marked Makefile Sep 12 19:15:41 and this Sep 12 19:15:43 in the text editor Sep 12 19:15:44 INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 Sep 12 19:16:00 i did edit the makefile Sep 12 19:16:04 still not right Sep 12 19:16:07 i still have the edited makefile Sep 12 19:16:09 firstly Sep 12 19:16:20 the wifi profile - recomment that line. Sep 12 19:16:28 look at the link I posted Sep 12 19:16:37 it tells you what lines to uncomment Sep 12 19:16:38 http://leo.gaggl.com/2011/08/ubuntu-extending-the-hp-touchpad/ Sep 12 19:17:21 hmm Sep 12 19:17:52 you follow? Sep 12 19:17:59 thanks sushiserf , those instructions look much clearer than reading the page on webos internals :( Sep 12 19:18:05 yea Sep 12 19:18:08 they honestly are :x Sep 12 19:18:46 wish I had found that sooner, man i generated ssh keys multiple times, this whole thing such a haggle :( Sep 12 19:19:16 thanks again, i gotta goto a job interview, I'm going to try this later Sep 12 19:23:01 wrea: u still here Sep 12 19:28:19 where are things downloaded when we click download link in webos browser Sep 12 19:28:57 plzhelp Sep 12 20:26:16 hi Sep 12 20:26:41 hi Sep 12 20:30:09 is their anyway to restore a touchpad if WebOSDoctor bombs out at 8% Sep 12 20:30:30 try to get more info about why Sep 12 20:30:41 by running the doctor from command line instead of double-clicking it Sep 12 20:30:53 run the doctor on the command line and it should give some clues Sep 12 20:30:53 ok will give her a shot Sep 12 20:31:00 what Lazar_Dobrescu said Sep 12 20:34:18 geist: who would you say knows the most about the touchpad browser in here? Sep 12 20:36:00 nope Sep 12 20:36:05 not a bit Sep 12 20:36:17 that was not a yes/no question though :p Sep 12 20:36:31 ah, yeah, well the answer is i dont know Sep 12 20:36:32 not a bit Sep 12 20:37:15 the guy that wrote the universe browser got hired by HP at least for a while, he hangs out in #webos sometimes Sep 12 20:45:43 RagingMind: thats dkirker. he's crazy. Sep 12 20:49:21 mainly, I want to know where the best place to insert some javascript that'll run like a greasemonkey script (per page load) into the browser's native code. Sep 12 20:49:54 even better would be the ability to (in C terms) #include any script I want at runtime, preferably with an interface in Tweaks, as that's the easiest way to get this going Sep 12 21:37:49 love the hulu patch. any chance to get one for amazon cloud player? Sep 12 21:38:42 What does Amazon cloud player do Sep 12 21:39:30 nohorse: umm, is amazon cloud player blocked? Sep 12 21:45:06 not supported !== blocked Sep 12 21:45:15 hulu was blocked, which the patch unblocks Sep 12 21:45:25 amazon cloud player plays songs you have storred up in the cloud at amazon. including amazon MP3 songs you may have purchased. they have unlimited storage for MP3s Sep 12 21:45:35 a patch for creating support is a bit harder and will probably not happen. Sep 12 21:45:43 oh, ok Sep 12 21:46:28 thought maybe adding goop to the browser agent my "trick" it into trying to render as safari maybe. i'm a dreamer Sep 12 21:46:43 maybe Sep 12 21:47:11 well, isn't that how the hulu one works? just a user-agent change? Sep 12 21:47:53 no Sep 12 21:48:00 it changes the version of flash Sep 12 21:48:03 oh Sep 12 21:48:09 or something more advanced than that Sep 12 21:50:08 I'm a little rusty, but there are some ifdef's in this code i want compiled in. What do I have to do to get it compiled in? Sep 12 21:50:55 what code are we talking about? Sep 12 21:51:27 some in wpa_supplicant Sep 12 21:51:46 oh. But this is C? Sep 12 21:51:53 Yeah Sep 12 21:51:57 hey folks, can anyone speak to what I need to do to get wIRC working on my TouchPad? Something about fstab Sep 12 21:52:00 I have it installed via preware Sep 12 21:52:25 wrea: generally speaking, you need to define what the ifdef is wrapping Sep 12 21:52:36 that is #ifdef FOO Sep 12 21:52:41 needs a #define FOO somewhere Sep 12 21:52:45 -DFOO Sep 12 21:52:49 Okay, thats what I thought Sep 12 21:52:56 or that Sep 12 21:53:17 most things in wpa_supplicant go in a .config Sep 12 21:53:42 which iirc has a fairly complete list of user-tuneables Sep 12 21:53:54 (attempting to keep you from defining invalid combinations) Sep 12 21:56:22 Right. Sep 12 21:56:33 does the metadoctor makefile options: enable_testing_feeds, developer_mode,auto_install_preware,install_ssh_auth_keys work on the touchpad? Sep 12 21:56:40 Well, it looks like this patch doesnt work as intended for some reason Sep 12 21:57:08 discord: as well as they are documented in there to work on any device Sep 12 21:57:37 * dwc- notes that at least one of them suggests not using it Sep 12 21:58:33 dwc-: does the install_ssh_auth_keys work? Sep 12 22:02:17 MrBIOS: it just worked for me, but then again I have the full x11 setup going, and did a (unsuccessful) install of the ubuntu chroot. Your mileage may vary Sep 12 22:02:22 I've never used it, but I believe so Sep 12 22:34:13 discord: stock kernel does not support ext4 Sep 12 22:36:30 discord: did you read the documentation for the auto_install_preware option? Sep 12 22:52:53 so I've gotten wma's to play manually via gstreamer on the touchpad, but can't seem to get them to play via the media player Sep 12 22:54:32 Hi Preware doesn't record my apps? How can i fix it? Sep 12 23:10:09 Okay. I dunno if adhoc was working there for a second or if someone connected to the network for a quick second Sep 12 23:11:20 my on screen keyboard seems to have disappered from the xserver / xterminal, how do i get it back? Sep 12 23:18:50 anybody have the on screen keyboard seems to have disappered from the xserver / xterminal, how do i get it back? Sep 12 23:23:51 discord - did you try shutting all the way down? Sep 12 23:28:28 did you disable it in tweaks? Sep 12 23:28:34 discord: check tweaks for what you set the keyboard to, and then ensure you don't have a bt keyboard attached Sep 12 23:31:59 hm if I uninstall a kernel on my veer in the software catalog, do I have to just reboot and that's it? it will be reverted to default? Sep 12 23:36:47 divStar: that's the idea, yep., Sep 12 23:37:14 wow I just figured that angry birds wouldnt run on warthog kernel for me Sep 12 23:37:15 occasionally, if things get messed up (I'm only aware of this happening if you're doing something extra crazy, and/or interrupt a kernel mid-install) you can install the recovery kernel package to ensure things are clean Sep 12 23:37:17 no idea why Sep 12 23:37:44 divStar: seems to work here, at least did on previous veer warthog kernel. strange indeed. Sep 12 23:38:11 I uninstalled and it started working for some reason Sep 12 23:52:09 divStar: test it twice again, and if it's repeatable, report it in the alpha testing thread. Note that as per the testing feed rules this is an obligation that you undertook when you installed the testing feeds. thanks. Sep 12 23:52:11 dtzWill: if I wanted to restart the music indexing process on the touchpad's native music app, where would I start? Sep 12 23:52:21 rwhitby: yay you're here! ^^ Sep 12 23:55:54 M25: no idea, sorry. iirc you can nuke the underlying database and force it to recreate it? but if there's abetter way I don't know Sep 12 23:56:42 also sometimes moving a folder of files will kick the scan? but i'm hardly an expert :) Sep 12 23:56:59 nuking the db will work, where could I find it? Sep 12 23:58:16 Anyone know how to stop a touchpad from automatically altering wifi settings (i am trying to setup connections with iwconfig via terminal)? Sep 12 23:58:29 i can get things to work for about 10 seconds Sep 12 23:58:38 then it seems to alter my settings Sep 13 00:07:51 Absurd-: can you turn the wifi off, and then turn it on from terminal? Sep 13 00:08:28 dtzWill, rwhitby, either of you know anything about filenotifyd? Sep 13 00:09:42 M25: Jason has a patch or something to kick the indexer. Sep 13 00:11:09 actually, found a dead simple way to get it started, just copy in a .mp3 file into the music folder Sep 13 00:16:57 huh.... apparently the music indexer is smart enough to stay out of mounted directories... sadly Sep 13 00:20:23 doesn't cross filesystems? Sep 13 00:22:00 tmzt: I've got my music folder on my HTPC mounted via SSHFS on the touchpad. I can play any of the music files there, streaming, without taking up local space Sep 13 00:22:08 which is nice, since I have WAY more music than would ever fit on there Sep 13 00:22:29 but the music indexer won't index the mounted folder, assumably becase it can see that it links to another FS Sep 13 00:30:08 maybe i missed it... but why is flash not included in 2.1 ?? Sep 13 00:34:15 Flash is included in 2.1. Sep 13 00:44:14 divStar?? Sep 13 00:45:46 * sushiserf pokes divStar Sep 13 01:19:49 My FrankenPre2 says it's at 2.1.0, yet it's also telling me that there's a 7mb update available to go to 2.1.0 . . . . . Sep 13 01:19:51 is it a trap?? Sep 13 01:19:58 Nope Sep 13 01:20:04 coo; Sep 13 01:20:20 It will remove any carrier apps if I recall, but thats it Sep 13 01:20:53 hmm... good thing i haven't added sprint nav yet Sep 13 01:21:17 Yeah thats what happened to me Sep 13 01:21:23 I added sprint navi and stuff Sep 13 01:21:30 Updated, and then prompty went WTF Sep 13 01:21:37 and yea... i asked earlier about why flash isn't included with 2.1.0... but my connection dropped Sep 13 01:21:47 It included Sep 13 01:21:50 it is* Sep 13 01:21:56 mayb it's available for 2.1.0 for official carries, but how does it manage to vanish for the frankenpres Sep 13 01:22:04 My Pre2 has flash Sep 13 01:22:06 It doesn't Sep 13 01:22:13 something went wrong. Sep 13 01:22:20 s/thing/one/ ;) Sep 13 01:22:25 o.O Sep 13 01:22:42 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Adding_flash_support Sep 13 01:22:47 "Adobe Flash is not included in this webOS 2.1 doctor, but can be added with files from a VZW Pre 2 2.0.1 doctor. " Sep 13 01:23:37 Idk. I installed my metadoctor .jar on my franken Pre2 and it has flash now Sep 13 01:25:32 hmm... maybe i haven't actually tried yet. :) Sep 13 01:25:36 grndslm, if you use the sprint franken pre script to create the meta doctor it should be included Sep 13 01:25:56 yea, it might be... i just went to youtube earlier and it brought up the app Sep 13 01:26:23 grndslm, that maybe.. try a different website that uses flash Sep 13 01:26:29 haha. Sep 13 01:26:55 grndslm, i wrote some script for that Sep 13 01:27:05 is taht on the wik? Sep 13 01:28:19 oc80z... somewhere on the webos 2 upgrade page, yes Sep 13 01:30:14 *facepalm* Sep 13 01:30:17 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:Adding_flash_support Sep 13 01:30:23 is pastebin down? blah Sep 13 01:31:25 yup, flash is definitely on here... can't play an HD video worth a hoot, tho Sep 13 01:31:27 oc80z: not here Sep 13 01:33:19 would anybody like to share some sprint nav & tv packages?? Sep 13 01:33:49 http://bit.ly/ogipB1 Sep 13 01:33:49 try that Sep 13 01:33:50 for the script Sep 13 01:34:21 i'm too lazy to put the antennaes on this express card, and the other wlan is in use heh.. Sep 13 01:34:30 hmmm, aren't sprint nav and tv copyright of spring? Sep 13 01:34:36 grndslm, we cant Sep 13 01:34:37 s/spring/sprint/ Sep 13 01:34:38 Tibfib meant: hmmm, aren't sprint nav and tv copyright of sprint? Sep 13 01:34:41 go search google Sep 13 01:34:45 typo? Sep 13 01:34:51 oh lulz he regex that shit Sep 13 01:34:56 hah.. infobot score! Sep 13 01:35:10 yo grnd, Sep 13 01:35:21 yessir Sep 13 01:35:21 im fuckin scared, that i have to get an android. Sep 13 01:35:40 what the shit maaan. Sep 13 01:35:43 grndslm, Abyssul: requesting illegal materials and giving advice on how to get them aren't allowed. tsk tskkkkkkkkk Sep 13 01:36:05 hah... i probly would be able to get used to the samsung replenish, if only it had more internal storage Sep 13 01:36:17 td new england! Sep 13 01:36:39 and i just can't give up a hardware keyboard...... but the pre2 kicks arse Sep 13 01:36:45 the interface is confusing asshit Sep 13 01:36:54 i mean... Sep 13 01:37:07 yeah what the hell, no pre3 Sep 13 01:37:09 honestly, i could get used to it... but i cannot deal with the "we don't close apps" feature Sep 13 01:37:22 i'll fight that as long as i possibly can Sep 13 01:37:30 yeah ... Sep 13 01:37:33 well Sep 13 01:37:44 * Tibfib points to topic ^ Sep 13 01:37:52 the programs are designed to be exited with like a Sep 13 01:37:53 last-state Sep 13 01:38:04 or something, i read on lwn. Sep 13 01:38:30 is that waht you mean?' Sep 13 01:38:50 hmm...."honor all carrier agreements"? isn't there one about modifying hardware?? :P Sep 13 01:39:09 grndslm, no there isnt Sep 13 01:39:25 oc80z... i just prefer my processes to run when i want them to, and i prefer to organize them how i want, as well Sep 13 01:39:26 The device is yours. Do whatever you want but leave their software alone from distribution Sep 13 01:39:36 agreed. Sep 13 01:39:57 Tibfib, Search google is as generic as it gets for a go-find-it-yourself Sep 13 01:40:18 ? Sep 13 01:40:22 wat Sep 13 01:44:51 o.o Sep 13 01:45:11 DUDE Sep 13 01:45:22 google chrome commercial? Sep 13 01:45:22 patriots vs. miami Sep 13 01:45:37 dun dun dun Sep 13 01:45:46 with DEAD Johnnie cash Sep 13 01:45:52 Pitching google Chrome Sep 13 01:45:58 yo.... fuck off google. Sep 13 01:46:27 Pg o.O Sep 13 01:46:56 dude died yesterday, and they make a comercial about him for google? gtfo. Sep 13 01:47:02 hmm... it appears that sprint does reserve the right to cancel your service if you "modify the manufacturer's device", which is about all they can do Sep 13 01:47:03 oooh Sep 13 01:47:06 he died, Sep 13 01:47:22 a decade ago Sep 13 01:47:29 yeah, i was wondering about that Sep 13 01:47:38 thanks for letting me know about that google. Sep 13 01:47:52 * oc80z is relying on internet memes too much for facts Sep 13 01:48:23 ur lucky i was 10 years off google. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Sep 13 01:52:38 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 13 19:40:14 2011 Sep 13 19:47:07 ok so trying to redoctor my pre2 fails spectacularly Sep 13 19:47:09 http://pastebin.com/8Wynwi9M Sep 13 19:47:52 WARNING: SocketException Cmd: file:///sbin/trenchcoat | Sep 13, 2011 12:44:36 PM com.palm.novacom.internal.NovacomSocketStream handleSocketException | WARNING: SocketException Cmd: file:///sbin/trenchcoat | java.net.SocketException: Connection reset Sep 13 19:48:45 wish i could help.. something i found out.. i *always* go into recover mode manually before running the docrot Sep 13 19:48:48 doctor* Sep 13 19:50:13 I suspect somehow it's my machine, will try on a spare laptop Sep 13 19:51:14 good luck. hope it works Sep 13 19:53:34 if have an app that needs root, can i use xecutah to start it? Sep 13 19:57:08 a terminal based app? Sep 13 19:57:17 yah Sep 13 19:57:46 why not just launch a terminal with xecutah, then run the app? Sep 13 19:58:49 thats what id do Sep 13 20:02:01 well yes, could do that but it'd convenient to be able to launch it from xecutah directly Sep 13 20:02:19 i see what your saying, im not sure though. Sep 13 20:53:49 does anyone have flac working on webOS? Sep 13 21:05:04 DThought: reboot to make sure the indexer is running, then drop the device into usb mode, and back out (you might need to add/remove a file) Sep 13 21:05:21 (well, to try to make sure the indexer is running) Sep 13 21:08:35 xterm with touchpad keyboard = win Sep 13 21:08:52 yes! Sep 13 21:13:16 i wish i could use xterm+x w/ a large keyboard Sep 13 21:13:21 any way top do that? Sep 13 21:13:27 or will i sacrifice too much room Sep 13 21:13:38 Tweaks Sep 13 21:13:44 I thought there was tweaks for that Sep 13 21:14:11 there is Sep 13 21:18:17 what is tweaks exactly? Sep 13 21:18:27 this will sound dumb Sep 13 21:18:32 but where do i find tweaks Sep 13 21:18:36 in preware Sep 13 21:18:52 dwc-: i sshed in, moved all mp3s to a hidden directory, opened the photos app, and added/removed a picture to an folder every time, i "reenabled" a portion (directory) of my mp3s Sep 13 21:18:59 what is preware? Sep 13 21:19:16 larry > touchpadplus.com Sep 13 21:19:21 it is the best thing since sliced bread Sep 13 21:19:26 ! Sep 13 21:19:33 or boobs :D Sep 13 21:19:35 in the end, one single mp3 triggered the "crash"/lockdown of the indexer, when i hid it , adding/removing photos did not show up. (it does update live!) Sep 13 21:19:36 god i love boobs :D Sep 13 21:19:37 LarrySteeze is trolling Sep 13 21:19:40 it can't beat boobs. Sep 13 21:19:51 i rewrote the id3 tags of that mp3, and all is working now Sep 13 21:19:55 lol Sep 13 21:20:02 what is trolling? Sep 13 21:20:10 but preware gives webos a real sense ^^ Sep 13 21:20:13 oh Sep 13 21:20:17 any of you shop at whole foods? Sep 13 21:20:37 no Sep 13 21:20:37 https://livingsocial.com/deals/123805?ref=conf-jp&rpi=27627433 Sep 13 21:20:38 No, seriously, I want to know why I have apps on my sprint pre 2 that I've never downloaded before Sep 13 21:20:49 this is a coupon for $10 off $20 worth of stuff Sep 13 21:21:12 pretty much, you pay $10 upfront, and get a certificate for $20 worth of stuff Sep 13 21:21:15 like "arctic slide" and several other apps with pictures of panda bears and such...that automatically synced when I got it done Sep 13 21:21:18 so it is $10 off $20 Sep 13 21:21:28 wtf panda? Sep 13 21:21:29 with ref code in url! Sep 13 21:21:54 yea... Sep 13 21:21:57 there a problem? Sep 13 21:22:03 if i get 3 people to buy Sep 13 21:22:05 mine is free Sep 13 21:22:06 :D Sep 13 21:22:17 only 3,33 bucks per ref? Sep 13 21:22:20 I guess I need to doctor my tp Sep 13 21:22:25 No idea wtf I did to it Sep 13 21:22:27 no i have to get all 3 Sep 13 21:23:20 great, why is sushiserf spamming us Sep 13 21:23:45 because we all shop at whole foods, obvsies Sep 13 21:23:59 just curious Sep 13 21:24:10 if you need to get your panties in a bunch about it, go ahead Sep 13 21:24:32 I dislike undisclosed referral links in general Sep 13 21:24:41 but i disclosed it Sep 13 21:24:43 but that's reaaaaallly off-topic for this channel Sep 13 21:24:53 after someone ponited it out... Sep 13 21:24:54 i do not shop at whole foods. Sep 13 21:25:09 find me a channel that has ever stayed on topic Sep 13 21:25:19 quit being so uptight Sep 13 21:25:20 this channel is pretty good at it. Sep 13 21:25:29 not really Sep 13 21:25:42 people only come here for help :T Sep 13 21:25:57 Guys, the discussion you are having about being off topic is off topic. Sep 13 21:26:02 ha Sep 13 21:26:07 anyways, im not going to argue this Sep 13 21:26:16 either buy it or don't, no skin off my back. Sep 13 21:26:18 * scoutcamper points oftopic people to #webos-watercooler Sep 13 21:27:27 wow...channel is real Sep 13 21:27:50 funny. that's what the spammers all say. "if you don't like it, don't buy it!!" *sends 1million more emails* Sep 13 21:28:38 you've never been to livingsocial? Sep 13 21:28:53 it is like groupon Sep 13 21:28:54 I have. but I'm not talking only of livingsocial Sep 13 21:29:02 it's an in-general concept Sep 13 21:29:06 wait wait - so you know what it is Sep 13 21:29:18 and you know exactly what i posted.. Sep 13 21:29:25 yes I do. Sep 13 21:29:28 sushiserf: I'm still confused about somethign else...what is preware? Sep 13 21:29:31 yet... you needed to interject to shift the topic? Sep 13 21:29:34 you mentioned it earlier Sep 13 21:29:42 to complain about spammers? yes. Sep 13 21:29:54 but im not spamming - i posted the link once. Sep 13 21:30:01 and i told you what was on it. Sep 13 21:30:22 larry > preware allows you to install i suppose patches Sep 13 21:30:30 that -is- spamming. it's off-topic, and you stand to benefit from it. and you didn't disclose that until after someone pointed it out. Sep 13 21:30:35 and other user made/linux applications on your touchpad Sep 13 21:30:38 what are patches? Sep 13 21:31:11 patches - like patches over the holes in a jacket - they help to fill in the gaps of the os's functionality Sep 13 21:31:14 like webos is slow Sep 13 21:31:22 and the touchscreen isnt very sensitive Sep 13 21:31:25 patches fill that gap Sep 13 21:31:43 dwc- > chill. you aren't an op. no need to get uppity. Sep 13 21:31:46 if I join every channel on freenode and say "buy a touchpad http://www.amazon.com/....../" that's spamming Sep 13 21:33:09 do you feel better now? Sep 13 21:33:12 got it all out? Sep 13 21:33:13 I'm not being uppity, I'm not trying to enforce any channel rules. I'm saying what needs to be said because you're being a poor netizen Sep 13 21:33:18 sushiserf: You're spamming. Just because someone doesn't have an @ doesn't mean they're not right. Sep 13 21:33:41 so would preware have apps or patches for my sprint pre 2? Sep 13 21:33:42 spamming is posting the link 5 times in a minute Sep 13 21:33:47 LarrySteeze > not sure Sep 13 21:33:49 no, that's flooding and spamming Sep 13 21:34:04 spamming is posting the link in a way that makes it annoying Sep 13 21:34:11 oh hey, and guess what. it was. Sep 13 21:34:14 i posted it once, explained what it was - no one wanted it Sep 13 21:34:16 i backed off Sep 13 21:34:23 it isnt like i said BUY IT BUY IT Sep 13 21:34:24 in caps Sep 13 21:34:26 lol what's the problem D: Sep 13 21:34:32 idk -_- Sep 13 21:34:32 LarrySteeze: why would they not? Sep 13 21:34:34 guys, none of this is on-topic, at all Sep 13 21:34:45 great, so you're not a BAD BAD BAD spammer, just a spammer. Sep 13 21:34:46 just put sushiserf on ignore D: Sep 13 21:34:51 ^ and this is my backing off Sep 13 21:34:52 PatrickC: I'm really just trying to bring the topic on subject. Sep 13 21:34:58 that's what I do with my spammers :x Sep 13 21:35:14 i like that idea. Sep 13 21:35:16 LarrySteeze: ah Sep 13 21:35:27 who wants to help me port 2.2 to the pre2???? Sep 13 21:35:32 tbh, Most chat in here is not on-topic. and a post to save 20% on something. shrug. as long as they dont own the site :) Sep 13 21:35:33 not i Sep 13 21:35:35 just my 2 cents Sep 13 21:35:43 PatrickC: I mean...if I didn't know what preware was yet have a sprint pre 2, I'm in trouble Sep 13 21:35:43 thank you Sep 13 21:35:48 PatrickC: not sure I would even call it a port. how far are you at? Sep 13 21:36:02 i havent started yet :P Sep 13 21:36:05 and more just trying to kill the fighting Sep 13 21:36:06 im wanting to though Sep 13 21:36:08 but ill need help Sep 13 21:36:19 PatrickC: I'm kind of already on that road Sep 13 21:36:29 LarrySteeze: yet u didnt say that earlier in PM haha Sep 13 21:36:37 just curious - ive never seen a webOS phone... in the states. Ever. Sep 13 21:36:48 oh sorry Sep 13 21:36:50 not pre 2 Sep 13 21:36:51 Nor have I tbh :) Sep 13 21:36:55 I might be wrong, but how long was webos/palm around even? Sep 13 21:36:58 ive never seen a pre/pre/veeve in the states Sep 13 21:36:59 at all Sep 13 21:36:59 I'm just working on TTS for veer Sep 13 21:37:07 LarrySteeze: lol Sep 13 21:37:14 not sure why I read veer when you said pre 2 Sep 13 21:37:19 and i tend to look at peoples phones Sep 13 21:37:20 :) Sep 13 21:37:21 palm was around for quite a long time .. Sep 13 21:37:27 rhcp[linux] > you remember that awesome Palm Pre commerical with the monks? Sep 13 21:37:30 at least 10+ years Sep 13 21:37:30 sushiserf: umm.. a few years? Sep 13 21:37:34 but you are in germany :o Sep 13 21:37:39 sushiserf, not really. I dont watch much tv anymore Sep 13 21:37:41 too busy Sep 13 21:37:43 Palm has been around for about.. forever :P Sep 13 21:37:47 rhcp: I saw someone using a pixi at the airport the other day Sep 13 21:37:55 I had a palm true Sep 13 21:37:57 treo 750 Sep 13 21:37:58 rather Sep 13 21:38:05 windows mobile. boy did it suck ass Sep 13 21:38:06 :) Sep 13 21:38:09 When did #webos-internals turn into an AOL Chatroom? Sep 13 21:38:12 I had a palm pilot O.O Sep 13 21:38:13 I remember those black&white palms .. didn't like those .. preferred psion at that time Sep 13 21:38:13 I still got it. wonder what to do with it Sep 13 21:39:03 most phones i had were some off brand OS that didnt even work Sep 13 21:39:13 i like webos, but it is crippling at times Sep 13 21:39:31 I have 4 "current generation" phones sitting on my desk right now O.O Sep 13 21:39:45 i just have an android :\ Sep 13 21:39:53 and a gen 1 iphone Sep 13 21:40:27 well, if we're talking legacy devices Sep 13 21:40:30 wait wait Sep 13 21:40:33 i found it! Sep 13 21:40:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hk8IzdwYEA&feature=player_embedded Sep 13 21:40:56 the only bad thing about the veer is that mp3 playback gets choppy at times .. Sep 13 21:40:57 let me go get my iPhone 3g from the other room...or the sprint mogul Sep 13 21:41:07 no other complains from me regarding that awesome tiny pack of power Sep 13 21:41:17 I haven't actually activated the veer Sep 13 21:41:25 oh be careful if you do .. Sep 13 21:41:28 I mean, I bypassed it Sep 13 21:41:36 for me it sent 15 sms to UK :X Sep 13 21:41:41 err .. 21* Sep 13 21:41:45 eh? the veer? Sep 13 21:41:49 yep Sep 13 21:41:51 was it a UK veer? Sep 13 21:41:54 while activating palm profile .. Sep 13 21:42:03 no it was a German one (got German layout too) Sep 13 21:42:59 i see Sep 13 21:43:23 anyway .. other than the music getting choppy at times I'm really satisfied with it.. Sep 13 21:43:39 also .. after installing the Warthog kernel, I couldn't run games .. such as Angry Birds ^^ Sep 13 21:43:55 why not? Sep 13 21:43:57 going back to stock worked .. and Uberkernel doesn't want to install for osme reason Sep 13 21:44:10 I don't know .. I just tap the icon .. and nothing happens Sep 13 21:44:19 that's odd... Sep 13 21:44:24 and uberkernel won't install? Sep 13 21:44:27 indeed .. going back to stock worked Sep 13 21:44:35 yeah uberkernel didnt install from the test feed for some reason Sep 13 21:44:47 it complained .. I don't remember exactly what .. Sep 13 21:44:54 did you try the regular feed? Sep 13 21:45:10 the regular feed didn't contain any kernel updates according to preware Sep 13 21:45:22 (except the stock palm veer kernel) Sep 13 21:45:52 it's possible Sep 13 21:46:03 I haven't loaded preware on this veer yet Sep 13 21:46:28 I'm using it as a test device ony to port tts Sep 13 21:46:40 if I'm smart enoguh to do it Sep 13 21:46:46 what's tts? Sep 13 21:46:49 text to speech? Sep 13 21:46:52 touch to share Sep 13 21:46:58 woops .. :D okay Sep 13 21:47:54 * LarrySteeze builds his verizon pre - Sep 13 21:48:05 I'll have to turn it into a music player only, I guess Sep 13 21:48:44 I am not sure how other palm mobile devices handle it .. but on the Veer I suppose the sound becomes choppy once it downscales while playing Sep 13 21:48:53 or maybe even while upscaling to its full speed again .. Sep 13 21:50:16 wow .. it says "Kernel is not compatible with this webOS version" .. Sep 13 21:50:31 even though I have version 2.1.1 and the kernel has veer written in round brackets Sep 13 21:55:17 * scoutcamper mentions #webos-general as a random non-dev webos chat channel for people to hang out and chat about webos Sep 13 21:56:27 scoutcamper: nice, we have some place to have the OT discussions about creepy webos commecials and why nobody has ever seen a webos device in the US :) Sep 13 21:58:18 /join #webos-general Sep 13 21:58:21 :/ Sep 13 21:59:52 seriously - you guys were that offended? Sep 13 21:59:56 uh Sep 13 21:59:59 nvm forget i asked Sep 13 22:00:30 sushiserf, it did bring up that there was no good place to have discussions like that, so we solved the issue Sep 13 22:00:42 ah Sep 13 22:00:50 solved a problem then huh... Sep 13 22:01:25 man I can't install UberKernel on my veer :( it says wrong OS version .. Sep 13 22:01:49 divStar... you do realise the UberKernel is for the Touchpad, right? Sep 13 22:01:50 I have 2.1.1 and I uninstalled all patches (except for the two services I had) and restarted Luna Sep 13 22:02:09 well it says (Veer) in the brackets Sep 13 22:02:29 "The following guide assumes a Palm Pre/Pixi/Pre 2/Veer/TouchPad that has the original Palm kernel and no over-clocking patches. " (from the documentation) Sep 13 22:02:43 yeah there are UberKernels for all of them Sep 13 22:02:55 sorry to interrupt: are there any compatible bluetooth keyboard with arrow keys for the TP? Sep 13 22:03:18 Oh, phew. Had me worried for a second. Didn't want someone to be installing a kernel for the wrong device. Sep 13 22:03:38 sushiserf: All of them. Bluetooth is bluetooth. Sep 13 22:03:52 arrow keys? Sep 13 22:04:36 roadkill I wouldn't install it at all if I wasn't pretty sure that it should fit my device :) Sep 13 22:04:42 sushiserf: you can use for example an apple BT keyboard, I think the only key that generally doesn't work is escape Sep 13 22:04:53 kk Sep 13 22:06:29 arrow keys on the hp touchpad keyboard are kinda useless except for text editing Sep 13 22:06:46 in the linux terminal they are magic Sep 13 22:06:49 More of an OS issue than a keyboard issue. Sep 13 22:06:53 so any other idea(s) why I am unable to install the UberKernel? (Warthog kernel installation works flawlessly) Sep 13 22:11:40 perhaps it jsut isnt for the veer even though it says it :o? Sep 13 22:11:48 just throwing that out there again >_>; Sep 13 22:12:46 sushiserf: could be a mistake in the feed or package or something? Unsure, I don't personally have a veer to test though others may be around later who do Sep 13 22:12:48 oh wait .. the Veer actually has two versions of the WebOS Sep 13 22:12:50 divStar: ^ Sep 13 22:13:22 my Veer is bought in Germany and has version 2.1.1 ... but the kernel might require version 2.1.2, which was on american Veers right from the start Sep 13 22:13:33 no one knows if its possible to play flac on the default music app? Sep 13 22:13:54 divStar: can you update?to 2.1.2 via OTA (or if that doesn't work, doctor to a 2.1.2 doctor?) Sep 13 22:14:02 honestea - it's not possible (at least not without patches, I've read somewhere that someone was working on it) Sep 13 22:14:19 just one question though: is there a patch for the browser? When I download PDF or other small scale files, they download to 1 KB and mark up as incomplete (but download as complete) when I try to open them. Sep 13 22:14:24 I'd have to find out how I update first Sep 13 22:14:42 divStar: patches to the music app? im guessing they didnt release the code for that Sep 13 22:15:11 it's a library modification from what I read .. just can't remember where exactly I read that Sep 13 22:15:12 divStar: the update icon, it's shaped like a gift package Sep 13 22:15:31 i must know. Sep 13 22:15:37 what is the oprah moment Sep 13 22:15:40 honestea: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/230318-additional-filetype-support-testing-flac-ogg-gsmwav.html Sep 13 22:15:43 destinal - just tried that .. it says my phone is uptodate Sep 13 22:16:26 anyone? Sep 13 22:17:49 destinal: thanks, looking at the last few posts looks like no update Sep 13 22:18:01 id like to have flac as well on the device for ampache and local play Sep 13 22:18:42 Woo, doctor isnt finding my tp Sep 13 22:19:13 ~seen zsoc Sep 13 22:19:28 zsoc <~z@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 167d 18h 57m 23s ago, saying: 'brb'. Sep 13 22:19:58 lol, brb? :) Sep 13 22:21:28 haha .. nice brb :D Sep 13 22:21:50 hm.. so .. how would I go about trying to somehow "forcefully" update the Veer to 2.1.2? Sep 13 22:23:05 epic Sep 13 22:23:57 grab the webos doctor Sep 13 22:24:32 which one? Sep 13 22:26:32 hmm, there's only an ATT veer doctor for 2.1.2, no EU / ROW one Sep 13 22:26:54 (they still have a 2.1.1 doctor so that won't solve that particular issue) Sep 13 22:27:24 ah so I have to wait till 2.1.2 or 2.2 Sep 13 22:27:26 divStar: I think we should just fix up the packages to work with 2.1.1 also Sep 13 22:27:45 divStar, the att veer would still have the gsm firmware so that would be fine, you might be able to make a meta-doctor that disables carrier check Sep 13 22:28:01 actually my phone is unlocked Sep 13 22:28:25 I just have a serial number that reminds me of my Veer being european Sep 13 22:28:38 divStar: he means the carrier check the doctor itself does prior to installing the OS Sep 13 22:29:01 mainly just checking to make sure the right doctor is installed on the right device Sep 13 22:29:57 ah.. now I get it Sep 13 22:30:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Sep 13 22:30:30 FYI Sep 13 22:30:41 well .. since I'm a novice regarding the understanding of linux.. I'm a bit afraid of meta-doctoring stuff Sep 13 22:30:50 because I don't really want to brick the device Sep 13 22:31:03 yeah I've read that destinal - thanks :) Sep 13 22:33:00 the strangest of all things is though that once I install the Warthog kernel some applications simply won't start .. Sep 13 22:35:39 for the folks who were discussing on- and off-topic about 2 hours ago: the reason why we don't allow off-topic discussion in the channel is because it pollutes the backlog for folks who are in other timezones, thereby wasting their time. Sep 13 22:35:56 it is not acceptable. period. Sep 13 22:36:53 the /topic of this channel is quite clear. anything else should go to #webos-general Sep 13 23:46:17 rwhitby: so I really don't want to put more hardware from my old sprint pre- into my pre2 than I have to. do you know if anyone's been successful at swapping *just* the comm board (understanding that antenna wires are different length so they may need extended etc) Sep 13 23:46:51 my pre- is generally suspect though I think the comm board is still fine Sep 13 23:46:59 sure, fix the wire lengths and there's probably no issue other than possible reduce sensitivity due to antenna shape differences Sep 13 23:47:27 note that you only ever just swap the comms board and the piece of plastic which holds the antennae Sep 13 23:50:25 Would there be a reason why webos doctor isnt finding my touchpad being connected? Worked fine once before. Sep 14 00:02:16 wrea: would need a lot more information, what operating system, is it connected directly or running in a virtual machine, is novacom service started and have you tried stopping it and restarting it. does novacom -l show the device, etc Sep 14 00:07:02 destinal, got it working novacom wasnt running. Thanks for mentioning novacom :) Sep 14 00:09:41 After this I can start working with wpa_supplicant again Sep 14 00:10:26 My modified binary is like twice as large as the stock one Sep 14 00:44:19 wrea - what are you doing with wpa_supplicant? Sep 14 00:44:51 Just applying a patch. Doesnt matter it didnt seem to work anyway Sep 14 00:45:20 * dwc- should get around to building an armv7 wpa_cli for fiddling purposes Sep 14 00:45:37 patch for tethering by any chance? ;x Sep 14 00:45:50 Absurd-, that was the idea anyway Sep 14 00:46:03 dwc-, I have one built Sep 14 00:46:16 i tried using wpa_supplicant Sep 14 00:46:22 couldn't get anything to happen Sep 14 00:46:28 i did get iwconfig working tho Sep 14 00:46:46 until something mukes with the settings every few seconds Sep 14 00:46:54 for ad-hoc correct? Sep 14 00:47:11 Absurd-: if you leave wpa_supplicant running and mess with it outside of there, that might cause your issue Sep 14 00:47:18 i kill it Sep 14 00:47:25 something else is at fault Sep 14 00:47:32 oh, then it's probably the palm wifi daemons Sep 14 00:47:45 any idea what those are called ;x Sep 14 00:48:33 I vaguely recall from my resolv.conf stuff I was messing with last night there's a pmnetsomethingorother Sep 14 00:48:58 I would say look around /usr/lib/ipkg/info/ for things that look net or wifi related Sep 14 00:49:11 and skim those package manifests Sep 14 00:49:26 would they be constantly running processes Sep 14 00:49:36 or would they only pop up to mess things up do you think Sep 14 00:49:42 maybe, maybe not Sep 14 00:49:49 :/ Sep 14 00:50:01 I'd like to know what palm's .config for wpa_supplicant looks like Sep 14 00:50:19 i have heard it was not standard Sep 14 00:50:29 from forum reading Sep 14 00:50:38 they altered it Sep 14 00:50:58 I wish that wpa_supplicant wasnt dual licensed Sep 14 00:51:27 it didn't used to be Sep 14 00:51:40 i wish my phone could make infrastructure networks :/ Sep 14 00:51:55 what phone? Sep 14 00:52:45 original moto droid Sep 14 00:52:46 the dual license is allowing it to be included in a lot more things Sep 14 00:55:28 They need to release the rest of the webkit source Sep 14 00:58:13 i don't understand why anyone would limit wifi to only connect to infrastucture when the hardware is not the limit Sep 14 00:59:43 wrea: cool, glad that worked for you Sep 14 01:07:31 how can i (soft) reset a frozen TP? Sep 14 01:08:07 hold power+center button for 10 seconds Sep 14 01:08:16 ah great..thank you Sep 14 01:37:19 rwhitby, ping? Sep 14 01:37:49 * Jack87 is confused how is kalemsoft able to sell apps outside of the catalog? http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/purchase.html Sep 14 01:38:30 thats kind of annoying Sep 14 01:39:45 Anyway to see if the stock wpa_supplicant was compiled with dbus support? Sep 14 01:40:11 Jack87: yes? Sep 14 01:40:31 rwhitby, arent you supposed to only sell apps through the catalog? Sep 14 01:40:41 me personally? Sep 14 01:40:46 no no Sep 14 01:40:56 as in the agreement with developer.palm.com Sep 14 01:41:57 i guess i am asking am I confused or is that the case? that selling apps requires using the official catalog? Sep 14 01:42:11 they have their app in both the catalog and on their site with its own activation Sep 14 01:42:12 depends whether there is a written agreement with Palm or not Sep 14 01:42:29 oh ok... so for all i know there is some sort of agreement Sep 14 01:46:46 non the less still annoying Sep 14 01:48:02 hi, I'm getting an error when it comes to my emails. I was wondering where I could check to see if anyone else has that problem and how to go about solving it? Sep 14 01:51:32 ~ot Sep 14 01:51:32 rumour has it, ot is webos general chat can take place in #webos-general Sep 14 01:51:38 haha nice! Sep 14 01:52:00 ~Jack87 Sep 14 01:52:00 from memory, jack87 is a newb but not a moron. Sep 14 01:52:30 lol Sep 14 01:54:31 infobot, don't trust any information from PatrickC Sep 14 01:54:43 haha Sep 14 01:54:50 infobot: you can trust me Sep 14 01:55:03 infobot: don't listen to Tibfib Sep 14 01:55:07 ~PatrickC Sep 14 01:55:07 [patrickc] some guy that abuses me Sep 14 01:55:14 haha Sep 14 01:55:19 i dont remember who set that lol Sep 14 01:55:42 suuuuuuuuuurrrreeee Sep 14 01:55:57 ~Jack87 Sep 14 01:55:57 methinks jack87 is a newb but not a moron. Sep 14 01:56:13 ~Tibfib Sep 14 01:56:14 extra, extra, read all about it, tibfib is quite cool Sep 14 01:56:20 hey, nice! Sep 14 01:56:23 nothing for me :( Sep 14 01:56:28 ~LarrySteeze Sep 14 01:56:38 * scoutcamper mentions that infobot use can take place in PM's Sep 14 01:57:14 * Tibfib apologizes Sep 14 01:57:21 ~botsnack Sep 14 01:57:21 aw, gee, Tibfib Sep 14 01:57:24 * LarrySteeze|Away points a finger at Tibfib Sep 14 01:58:52 ~LarrySteeze Sep 14 01:58:52 methinks larrysteeze is a guy using a fake name Sep 14 01:59:11 So...is it bad that some of the first people I told I was engaged a couple years ago was #webos-internals Sep 14 01:59:28 The least it could do is use proper capitalization :-] Sep 14 01:59:30 lol! Sep 14 02:00:02 * Jack87 is waiting for rwhitby to yell at us Sep 14 02:00:14 anyone got any scripts that can split a multi uimage (kernel + ramdisk)? Sep 14 02:00:20 im finding it annoying to do it all by hand Sep 14 02:00:21 and do the math Sep 14 02:00:25 anyway, for off topic conversation, I'd say #webos-general is the best place to go Sep 14 02:00:36 ~ot Sep 14 02:00:36 hmm... ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat and can take place in #webos-general Sep 14 02:00:37 LarrySteeze|Away: that is absolutely the right thing to do Sep 14 02:00:46 everyone in here is great for relationship advice. Sep 14 02:01:04 I wasn't looking for advice...I was making an announcement :D Sep 14 02:01:23 to all your friends Sep 14 02:01:27 s/relationship advice/congratulations or condolences/ Sep 14 02:01:27 Tibfib meant: everyone in here is great for congratulations or condolences. Sep 14 02:01:34 I have an on topic question now Sep 14 02:01:51 LarrySteeze|Away, ready go Sep 14 02:01:54 As I've made it widely known, I finally have a sprint pre 2 Sep 14 02:02:02 rhcp[linux]: touchpad has initrd? most webos devices just have a boot partition on which is an init script and then do some LVM stuff and pivot Sep 14 02:02:15 indeed you have congrats! told you it wasnt soo hard Sep 14 02:02:18 LarrySteeze|Away: seem to be tons of those popping up these days Sep 14 02:02:24 destinal_, Yea, we make multi images with a ramdisk + kernel Sep 14 02:02:24 popular trend recently Sep 14 02:02:28 its very annoying to do by hand Sep 14 02:02:29 any reason I'm seeing patches in the repo that don't apply to the device at all as well as a lack of other patches I know are compatible? Sep 14 02:02:37 was looking for a script. so i dont have to redo the wheel Sep 14 02:02:39 if its been done Sep 14 02:03:03 it's never needed to be done for webos-related development Sep 14 02:03:05 destinal_, haha seems like a proper trend considering all hopes of future sprint webos device is officially put to rest Sep 14 02:05:39 nobody? Sep 14 02:06:04 Because I'm sure the veer uberkernel isn't intended for my device...and that there's a pre 2 uberkernel available somewhere Sep 14 02:06:43 LarrySteeze|Away, normally not... im checking my phone to see if i will get same issue as you Sep 14 02:06:44 unless metadoctor somehow screwed up my device tokens, which would be strange to me Sep 14 02:07:44 * Jack87 only sees pre2 kernels no veer kernels Sep 14 02:07:51 alright... Sep 14 02:07:55 LarrySteeze|Away, check your tokens just incse Sep 14 02:07:58 I'll try to redoctor my phone then Sep 14 02:07:58 incase* Sep 14 02:12:13 LarrySteeze|Away: kernel feed URLs are based on webOS version Sep 14 02:12:43 and if you followed testing.preware.org correctly, are automatically updated for you on each device boot Sep 14 02:20:13 rwhitby: I think I screwed something up in the original doctor process. I wasn't using the testing feeds Sep 14 02:20:45 It's cool...I'm going to redo it, the official way, before I start messing with stuff Sep 14 02:22:58 ok Sep 14 02:23:54 rwhitby: help me remember something...with the original pre, did we ever have a tethered update option (as opposed to an OTA)? Sep 14 02:24:04 For some reason, I feel like there was *one* Sep 14 02:24:14 but can't actually remember it Sep 14 02:24:19 nope Sep 14 02:26:39 I must be remembering a different device then Sep 14 02:45:45 LarrySteeze|Away: I used reverse tethering to allow pre to connect to wired ethernet through linux PC as a router :) Sep 14 02:45:51 (USBnet) Sep 14 02:46:39 my OTA update over EVDO was really slow at work (before they made the updates smaller) and ethernet was the only other net connection there) Sep 14 02:46:57 so, there was a time without the doctor? Sep 14 02:47:39 PatrickC: no, there wasn't, but before each doctor there's always a time when OTA's the only way to get an update Sep 14 02:47:47 ah true **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 14 02:59:57 2011