**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 15 02:59:57 2011 Sep 15 03:11:54 It is seriously not funny how many phones I have disassembled on my desk. Sep 15 03:12:13 maybe a little funny Sep 15 03:12:32 * rwhitby sees nothing out of the ordinary about that at all Sep 15 03:12:40 lol Sep 15 03:13:17 rwhitby: for me, one or two is normal. 4 is not normal for me. Sep 15 03:13:41 and simcard slot fishing is CERTAINLY not normal for me Sep 15 03:13:56 especially since I usually deal with CDMA Sep 15 03:18:21 df -h Sep 15 03:18:41 whoops :) Sep 15 03:19:57 . 0 Sep 15 03:20:09 ircshell$ Sep 15 03:20:17 Okay well, now wpa_cli scan_results does show the adhoc network, unlike last night Sep 15 03:20:35 wow Sep 15 03:20:47 bpadalino: I don't think I've seen you speak in two years! Sep 15 03:20:56 thanks! Sep 15 03:21:10 lol...I think I'm just never on when you are :P Sep 15 03:21:14 how've you been? Sep 15 03:21:34 doing OK i suppose Sep 15 03:21:53 work is too much, not enough time to play with webos :( Sep 15 03:21:54 well, ok is better than terrible Sep 15 03:21:59 wrea, you are making progress! Sep 15 03:22:07 where are you living nowadays? Sep 15 03:22:10 it's true - i am not doing terribly Sep 15 03:22:14 still in upstate NY Sep 15 03:22:22 fun stuff Sep 15 03:22:26 i like it Sep 15 03:22:34 I still think you should move to boston Sep 15 03:22:42 Jack87, you have an a hoc network to test for me? Sep 15 03:22:56 heh, i visited and it was OK - but it takes too long to get anywhere Sep 15 03:23:01 always like a 30 minute commitment Sep 15 03:23:08 ~ot Sep 15 03:23:08 i heard ot is for Off-Topic WebOS general chat and can take place in #webos-general Sep 15 03:23:14 oh right - sorry Sep 15 03:23:59 wrea, negative.. i can have one if you like (but not till tomorrow or so as i have an assignment due in about an hour and a half) Sep 15 03:24:16 * LarrySteeze kicks scoutcamper Sep 15 03:24:18 i saw escape sequences are now available in the terminal .. which sounds good Sep 15 03:24:30 ~kill LarrySteeze Sep 15 03:24:30 * infobot shoots a excited pseudoneutron gun at LarrySteeze Sep 15 03:24:53 * LarrySteeze slaps scoutcamper around a bit with a large trout Sep 15 03:24:54 ~LarrySteeze Sep 15 03:24:55 i heard larrysteeze is a guy using a fake name Sep 15 03:25:01 o.o Sep 15 03:25:09 ~Jack87 Sep 15 03:25:09 hmm... jack87 is a newb but not a moron. Sep 15 03:25:12 ok, enough infobot ing Sep 15 03:25:19 lol Sep 15 03:25:34 ~scoutcamper Sep 15 03:25:35 [scoutcamper] the infobot guru :D Sep 15 03:25:41 haha! Sep 15 03:25:47 Jack87, Okay. all I'm looking for is you to run wpa_cli and tell me if it sees the network Sep 15 03:26:01 i also thought it was cool that bootie on a pre3 is essentially the developer release .. Sep 15 03:26:11 with memory dump commands and whatnot Sep 15 03:26:23 has anyone else here completed the veer teardown? Sep 15 03:26:26 i wonder if we can pull down the bootloader ROM code from the top page in memory Sep 15 03:27:15 * rwhitby has Sep 15 03:27:21 hah Sep 15 03:27:30 I already asked you the question I had rwhitby! Sep 15 03:27:44 your response was: dunno, don't have the bits here Sep 15 03:27:45 rwhitby is the chuck norris of the webos world .. like bruce schneier is the chuck norris of the crypto world Sep 15 03:28:18 but for what its worth, I have completed HALF of what I was trying to do Sep 15 03:28:19 chuck norris is the rwhitby of the martial arts world Sep 15 03:29:00 * rwhitby is the rwhitby of his own imaginary world Sep 15 03:29:01 jacques: yes! Sep 15 03:29:35 in our own imaginary worlds, we are all rwhitby Sep 15 03:29:38 whitby,ca Sep 15 03:29:45 weird seeing that all day Sep 15 03:30:53 * rwhitby bbl Sep 15 03:30:58 rwhitby: have you tried using the memory dump commands in bootie on the pre3 to see boot ROM code? Sep 15 03:31:00 oh, darn Sep 15 03:31:30 boot rom code? Sep 15 03:31:35 you mean the pbl? Sep 15 03:31:39 indeeed Sep 15 03:31:44 you won't get it if it's not mapped and it shouldn't be at that stage Sep 15 03:32:13 you *might* if you patched bootie early on but I wouldn't recommend that Sep 15 03:32:35 i guess i don't understand the nuances of remapping it once you're in bootie Sep 15 03:32:40 or why it may not be possible Sep 15 03:32:57 the iram isn't mapped once the normal ram is Sep 15 03:33:09 at least that's how I understand it Sep 15 03:33:17 lk is the appsboot.mbn in bootie Sep 15 03:33:26 so it wouldn't be the one unmapping that I think Sep 15 03:33:29 would Sep 15 03:33:36 if it isn't then osbl already has Sep 15 03:33:42 hrm Sep 15 03:34:01 well then that's somewhat terrible Sep 15 03:34:14 the only way we think we can dump it is qdl Sep 15 03:34:26 are you trying this on a working pre3? Sep 15 03:34:41 i don't have one, but with a more capable bootie i thought it might be a good way to try it out Sep 15 03:35:28 hey we could use you in #msm-bootloader Sep 15 03:35:39 use me ? Sep 15 03:35:56 your helpp Sep 15 03:36:12 ah Sep 15 03:50:02 so I got my Veer today Sep 15 03:50:09 then promptly proceeded to break it Sep 15 03:50:26 common thread. Sep 15 03:50:27 good job Sep 15 03:52:00 tried to put my microsim in it, which got stuck, even though I was trying to be very careful Sep 15 03:53:16 I took it apart, all the way to the main board and extracted the sim Sep 15 03:53:29 put it back together, and somehow it is still working Sep 15 03:55:54 gyrojoe, LarrySteeze|Away did the same thing :D Sep 15 03:56:19 lol, really Sep 15 03:56:21 minus the put back together part Sep 15 03:57:05 the first time I put it back together the display ribbon cable came out Sep 15 04:11:51 crap Sep 15 04:11:59 some of the keyboard keys aren't working :( Sep 15 04:14:08 So, stock wpa_supplicant indeed doesnt see the adhoc network Sep 15 04:15:04 gyrojoe, yeah he hasnt put it back together yet Sep 15 04:15:22 anyway.. Sep 15 04:15:32 if you put a micro sim in the adapter would it even stay in place? Sep 15 04:15:36 I'm like a Veer assembly ninja at this point Sep 15 04:15:41 does the microsim actually firmly fit into the adapters? Sep 15 04:15:49 not in my Veer anymore :) Sep 15 04:16:01 it's missing some, shall we say, critical wiring Sep 15 04:16:02 At least I know at least my compiled version of supplicant is an improvement Sep 15 04:16:16 it seems like that adapter is good for phones that have a cage that opens behind the battery cover not so much for push in sims? Sep 15 04:16:25 it's probably iintentionally broken like on android Sep 15 04:16:29 I wasn't using an adapter Sep 15 04:16:44 the wires were enough to hold it in place Sep 15 04:16:48 wrea, ill try helping you test it maybe tomorrow Sep 15 04:16:49 if you can find the right place Sep 15 04:16:57 gyrojoe, no that i know Sep 15 04:17:00 oh wait what Sep 15 04:17:16 ya but the adapter doesnt actually hold the micro sim right? Sep 15 04:17:23 it just kinda helps align it? Sep 15 04:17:30 some of them do Sep 15 04:17:32 so even with the adapter it wouldnt work all that well in the veer? Sep 15 04:17:34 oh ok Sep 15 04:18:16 just say no Sep 15 04:18:20 to microsims in the veer Sep 15 04:19:12 gyrojoe, ya i told my friend to just go get a full size sim. its free Sep 15 04:19:35 well, more keys are working now Sep 15 04:19:40 not all of them though Sep 15 04:23:06 ad-hoc wifi does work on some android devices Sep 15 04:28:40 gyrojoe, Well, the stock wpa_supplicant is definitely modified, but the one I modified can see them Sep 15 04:28:51 Doesnt register in the gui though Sep 15 04:32:45 they wouldn't be running the tool directly though right? Sep 15 04:33:52 are they using dbus or socket interface to it? Sep 15 04:34:24 Doesnt look like they're using dbus Sep 15 04:34:34 the socket Sep 15 04:34:47 there would be an associated .service file for wpa_supplicant if they were Sep 15 04:34:51 it's in /var/run/wpa_supplicant/ Sep 15 04:37:57 hello folks Sep 15 04:39:42 I'm also assuming its configured on runtime since I dont think I saw wpa_supplicant.conf anywhere Sep 15 04:40:09 it's in /tmp Sep 15 04:42:50 not here Sep 15 04:43:40 root 13561 0.0 0.1 7024 1388 ? Ss 19:57 0:02 /usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -D wext -B -c /tmp/.wpa_supplicant.conf -i Sep 15 04:43:45 that's what I've got Sep 15 04:45:05 Well, I went back to stock wpa_ and didnt reboot. I'm rebooting it now to see if its there Sep 15 04:45:29 that's the process launch args isn't it? Sep 15 04:45:34 yup Sep 15 04:45:35 those shouldn't have changed Sep 15 04:45:37 I'm going to compile support back in for .conf now that I know Sep 15 04:45:57 yea, but if the UI isn't controlling the wireless, it may have deleted it or something Sep 15 04:46:20 touchpad is in the other room, and I don't feel like going over there to see if it goes away if I turn wifi off or to a non-wpa network configuration Sep 15 04:46:40 so I've got 4 keys that don't work Sep 15 04:46:51 yhb, and backspace Sep 15 04:47:25 5, m doesn't work either Sep 15 04:50:51 it's possible that the /tmp/.wpa_supplicant.conf names a temporary socket Sep 15 04:51:02 or a fifo that won't be reopened if one side closes it (-EPIPE) Sep 15 04:53:55 tmzt, nope, only sets ap_scan Sep 15 04:54:09 weird Sep 15 04:54:12 and ctrl_interface Sep 15 04:54:18 right that would be the one Sep 15 05:01:36 how is this going to be used in webOS? Sep 15 05:02:41 hopefully to enable ad-hoc access point joining Sep 15 05:16:25 Wirc on the pixi+, ssl and tls don't seem to play nice Sep 15 05:16:44 Webos 1.4.5 issue, pixi issue, operator error? Sep 15 05:18:51 Its the preware version if that matters Sep 15 05:19:36 Saij, you might need to wait for an answer on that tommorrow. Sep 15 05:20:13 If I manually try connecting to it, it doesnt say it cant find it but it tries connecting for a while too Sep 15 05:20:36 Ok :) its not a big issue, just curious Sep 15 05:20:58 I'm new to irc so I'm paranoid Sep 15 05:21:13 Reading bash.org isn't making me less so :P Sep 15 05:21:24 does the server you are connecting to support TLS? Sep 15 05:21:31 Thanks for the reply though k6 Sep 15 05:21:44 Not sure, how does one query that? Sep 15 05:22:04 I'm using verne.freenode.net to get here Sep 15 05:22:32 Saij, read the SSL docs @ freenode and they will tell you. Sep 15 05:22:43 http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#ssl Sep 15 05:22:58 does anyone know how to package an app to use a postinstall script? Sep 15 05:23:15 hulu patch not working for anyone Sep 15 05:23:18 add the script to the ipk Sep 15 05:23:28 with ar Sep 15 05:23:44 m0ngr31, look @ the examples in the git server @ git.webos-internals.org Sep 15 05:24:03 so, I updated my Ubuntu chroot and now it doesn't launch :D Is that a known situation? Sep 15 05:24:36 hmmm, what to do with a Veer with a busted keyboard Sep 15 05:24:54 send it to me? so I can dig into it? Sep 15 05:24:58 Haha Sep 15 05:25:03 How busted? Sep 15 05:25:18 Anyone interested in a gsm pre2? Sep 15 05:25:38 yhbm, backspace don't work Sep 15 05:25:39 Not sure what to do with it yet Sep 15 05:25:48 Love Pre2 D: Sep 15 05:25:50 ka6sox: do you know what would be a good app? i've been looking at navit, but i Sep 15 05:25:56 I installed the hulu patch yesterday seemed be working fine today it is not Sep 15 05:25:59 'm not sure how to include it Sep 15 05:26:02 Ouch :( how'd it break? Sep 15 05:26:14 I took it apart Sep 15 05:26:19 I assume that's the cause Sep 15 05:26:26 My pixi+ has lost the left half of the keyboard's backlight :L Sep 15 05:26:27 m0ngr31, control/postinst Sep 15 05:26:36 That could do it gyro :P Sep 15 05:26:50 I'm impressed it works at all Sep 15 05:27:09 You did a good job then Sep 15 05:27:10 if you decide you dont' want to futz with it anymore let me know. Sep 15 05:27:28 I'd be mortified, the veer is way too small to work on Sep 15 05:27:38 ka6sox: just dump it there and it'll run? Sep 15 05:27:48 m0ngr31, look @ preware itself or any app in the repo Sep 15 05:27:53 m0ngr31, should Sep 15 05:27:56 unless its broken. Sep 15 05:28:05 both a postinst and prerm Sep 15 05:28:15 it wasn't broken when I started Sep 15 05:28:20 my sim was stuck in it Sep 15 05:28:52 Ebay? Sep 15 05:29:07 I almost bought two like that for 50 :( Sep 15 05:29:33 sell it on Ebay you mean? Sep 15 05:30:35 how do i do that though? just create a folder called control and palm-install it with the rest of the app? Sep 15 05:30:59 no Sep 15 05:31:02 look at the makefiles Sep 15 05:31:42 after palm-package is run, the scripts get added Sep 15 05:32:50 right Sep 15 05:34:20 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Veer-4G-8GB-White-AT-T-Smartphone-/200652100749?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2eb7cc148d#ht_500wt_1090 Sep 15 05:34:28 lol, economy shipping Sep 15 05:34:35 ka6sox: pm? Sep 15 05:34:41 why? Sep 15 05:34:49 its about Your Radio Sep 15 05:34:59 my radio? Sep 15 05:35:01 oookay Sep 15 05:35:08 lol Sep 15 05:35:32 FM, or AM Sep 15 05:36:33 HP on made a few thousand of the white phone Sep 15 05:36:35 lol... lies. Sep 15 05:36:35 That is such reasonable shipping! Sep 15 05:36:52 I'm sure I saw a couple of pallets of those leaving the palm store Sep 15 05:37:21 gyrojoe: online radio Sep 15 05:37:33 you forgot XM Sep 15 05:37:41 lol Sep 15 05:37:52 don't you have to pay to get access to XM? Sep 15 05:37:57 yes Sep 15 05:38:01 dwc-, are you Sirius? Sep 15 05:38:06 no, but XM is Sep 15 05:38:18 lol Sep 15 05:38:27 (now, anyways) Sep 15 05:38:30 * PatrickC_TP wonders if that would be a good addition Sep 15 05:39:09 I'll have to look into it Sep 15 05:41:36 hmm Sep 15 05:41:46 does WebOS 2.1 support bluetooth keyboards? Sep 15 05:41:56 yes Sep 15 05:42:09 Any bluetooth one? Sep 15 05:42:14 though, less of the touchpad kb keys work, than they do on the touchpad Sep 15 05:42:26 s/work/ connected to my phone/ Sep 15 05:42:28 dwc- meant: though, less of the touchpad kb keys connected to my phone, than they do on the touchpad Sep 15 05:42:37 s/ / work / Sep 15 05:43:10 ahhh! girls are so needy! Sep 15 05:43:45 Indeed Sep 15 05:43:53 Why is it bothering you? Sep 15 05:44:54 Jack87, tranquillo Sep 15 05:45:29 remember the picture I showed you yesterday. Sep 15 05:45:51 nice Sep 15 05:46:01 now I can at least set this Veer up Sep 15 05:46:54 ka6sox, yes yes.. thinking about it to relax Sep 15 05:47:01 good. Sep 15 05:47:07 picture? lol Sep 15 05:47:14 Iknowrite? Sep 15 05:47:20 the "I'm just busy" doesnt seem to register Sep 15 05:47:50 because that's a challenge Sep 15 05:48:39 they want to be more interesting than what you're doing Sep 15 05:48:59 it seems to work add to the package properly, but it's not running Sep 15 05:49:05 dwc-, hum.. ill keep that in mind Sep 15 05:49:15 Its like cats and how they bar your pencil when you're working Sep 15 05:49:23 challenge and an esteem thing Sep 15 05:49:24 Bat Sep 15 05:49:47 i just get sick of the "call me everyday" "you arent talking long enough" and "we dont see eachother enough" thing Sep 15 05:49:59 i do the "ar q" command before i install it to the device and it seems to work (everything installs great, it just doesn't run) Sep 15 05:50:04 oh, distance? that makes things worse Sep 15 05:50:09 its like it has nothing to do with her... i am simply just busy and cant. Sep 15 05:50:26 dwc-, yeah we are about 35miles away Sep 15 05:50:29 solution: go to different colleges. works for me. Sep 15 05:50:38 oops! too busy (for her) Sep 15 05:50:40 (and claim you have no service) Sep 15 05:50:49 m0ngr31: what filename are you using? Sep 15 05:51:08 halfhalo, i wish she came to my school it would be easy to chalk off a "saw you at lunch time so you cant say i never see you" thing :) Sep 15 05:51:19 halfhalo, i dont have service.. Sep 15 05:51:23 * dwc- points at Jack87 and laughs Sep 15 05:51:25 naive! Sep 15 05:51:27 halfhalo, like really it cuts off every word in my office Sep 15 05:51:45 she'll want to come over anyways Sep 15 05:51:55 Phones are two way, she can always contact you Sep 15 05:51:56 just 2 min ago i got "I hate it when you are there go somewhere else and talk to me" Sep 15 05:52:06 I am to stuburn to listen though Sep 15 05:52:07 lol Sep 15 05:52:09 gyrojoe: i'm using this command: ar q *.ipk PostInstall.script Sep 15 05:52:31 dwc-, haha i get sick of the "let me come while you do your homework or you come here" Sep 15 05:52:36 and the PostInstall.script has this in it: control/postinst Sep 15 05:52:47 ar t foo.ipk Sep 15 05:52:50 will show you the files in it Sep 15 05:52:52 did you look at the makefiles? Sep 15 05:52:55 and I have a folder that has that file in it. that postinst should work right? Sep 15 05:53:01 ar x foo.ipk control.tar.gz or whatever it is will extract it Sep 15 05:53:30 i even said i had something due at midnight.. (it was 11:40) seemed to have no effect Sep 15 05:53:39 speaking of which i better turn it in now Sep 15 05:53:40 do the ar t on some other workign ipk Sep 15 05:54:02 ok thanks guys... closing tag Sep 15 05:54:17 dwc-: there is a file in there, but it doesn't have anything to do with my script Sep 15 05:54:25 mine is called pmPostInstall.script Sep 15 05:54:40 gyrojoe: yeah, i've been looking at the preware ones Sep 15 05:54:49 gyrojoe: is that what mine need to be named? Sep 15 05:54:58 chmod +x it too,not sure if that makes a difference Sep 15 05:57:40 * Jack87 goes out for a drink adious all Sep 15 05:57:45 adios* Sep 15 05:57:49 good man Sep 15 05:59:10 m0ngr31: Preware & WOSQI will use control/postinst and control/prerm. palm-install will use pmPostInstall.script and pmPreRemove.script. Preware converts the former into the latter at install time if required. Sep 15 06:01:23 hmm, can't be in airplane mode to signin to your palm profile apparently Sep 15 06:02:09 Makes sense, no? Sep 15 06:02:17 wifi on Sep 15 06:02:30 rwhitby: i guess i'm just not quite smart enough for this... lol Sep 15 06:02:36 It allows radios on in airplane mode? Sep 15 06:02:41 yea Sep 15 06:02:54 Kinda fail lol Sep 15 06:03:06 Defeats the whole purpose Sep 15 06:03:08 how else do you use your phone on a plane Sep 15 06:03:25 I don't? Sep 15 06:04:25 i see the pmPostInstall.script when I run ar t foo.ipk Sep 15 06:04:36 but it doesn't run the script when it installs Sep 15 06:04:47 what's in the script? Sep 15 06:05:18 control/postinst Sep 15 06:06:03 just put the script into the main file Sep 15 06:06:12 why run a script, to run a script Sep 15 06:06:36 good point. that's just what i saw in the preware pmPostInstall.script. lemme try Sep 15 06:07:15 um, that's not what is in the preware pmPostInstall.script Sep 15 06:07:34 you may want to use a real operating system that understands symlinks before looking at that file Sep 15 06:07:50 is there any feasible way to re-map keys sent from the HP BT keyboard? i know it isnt as simple as an xmodmap, but if there is something else i am not aware of... Sep 15 06:08:12 rwhitby: Sep 15 06:08:23 *i'm probably doing it wrong. this is where i saw it Sep 15 06:08:24 http://www.webpagescreenshot.info/img/262876-915201190657AM Sep 15 06:08:50 specifically, it would be nice to turn one of the control buttons into an alt/esc/meta and media buttons into something like pgup/pgdn - this is more for use in xterm as launched via xecutah than anything else... Sep 15 06:09:25 if it's in X, why can't you Xmodmap? Sep 15 06:09:56 m0ngr31: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/tree/control/postinst Sep 15 06:10:31 note that Preware has one of the most complex postinst script imaginable. you don't want to copy it. Sep 15 06:10:32 gyrojoe: i wasnt aware there was any sort of xerv or similar stuff Sep 15 06:10:49 i looked in ipkg-opt, but i didnt see anything that would be relevant Sep 15 06:10:53 rwhitby: which one would you recommend for an extreme noob like me? Sep 15 06:11:09 all mine is doing is echoing something to a file... Sep 15 06:12:33 m0ngr31: what is the end goal? Sep 15 06:12:58 adding permissions to a database. the app needs to access the kindle database to sideload apps Sep 15 06:13:21 just echoing to /etc/palm/db/permissions/com.palm.kindle Sep 15 06:13:29 *books not apps Sep 15 06:14:20 so i'm trying this: palm-package app service package Sep 15 06:14:36 ar q foo.ipk pmPostInstall.script Sep 15 06:14:49 and the echo is inside of the pmPostInstall.script Sep 15 06:14:58 but as far as I can tell, it's not running Sep 15 06:15:30 try touching /tmp/foo as a first test Sep 15 06:15:51 even if your script is running, /etc is read-only by default Sep 15 06:18:36 rwhitby: doesn't seem to be hitting that either. tried /media/internal/test.txt as well Sep 15 06:18:51 then your script is not running Sep 15 06:18:54 did you chmod+x it? Sep 15 06:19:02 gyrojoe: yeah Sep 15 06:19:14 put your ipk somewhere I can download it Sep 15 06:19:23 rwhitby: any ideas re: my query? Sep 15 06:19:26 rwhitby: do those commands i posted a few minutes ago look ok? Sep 15 06:19:31 rwhitby: kk Sep 15 06:19:46 scorche: what's xerv ? Sep 15 06:20:34 rwhitby: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VV7393DT Sep 15 06:21:04 * rwhitby waits the 30 seconds Sep 15 06:21:28 lol Sep 15 06:21:34 sorry... :'( Sep 15 06:21:39 rwhitby: basically, i was looking for a package that might have utilities such as xev and xmodmap in ipkg-opt in the hopes that that would allow me to remap keys on my HP BT keyboard to useful things like alt/esc/meta/pgdn/pgup, etc Sep 15 06:21:45 quickest thing i could think of Sep 15 06:21:50 hmp, the entire HP app catalog won't load Sep 15 06:22:03 gyrojoe: what about your email? Sep 15 06:22:08 are you on TP? Sep 15 06:22:22 rwhitby: that app is for tp btw Sep 15 06:22:39 m0ngr31: pmPostInstall.script is not +x Sep 15 06:23:19 well that's embarrasing... i could have sworn i changed it... Sep 15 06:23:29 another airplane mode issue Sep 15 06:23:32 awesome Sep 15 06:24:32 i chmod'd it again, but it didn't seem to fix the issue Sep 15 06:24:50 is it changing permissions when it's put into the ipk file? Sep 15 06:25:01 rebuild the ipk, readd it Sep 15 06:25:08 m0ngr31: that's why I never believe what people say - I always ask for objective proof first when debugging ;) Sep 15 06:25:34 gyrojoe: i did Sep 15 06:25:43 rwhitby: is it changing permissions when it's put into the ipk file? Sep 15 06:25:58 i built it again with the new chmod and it did the same thing Sep 15 06:26:01 hmm Sep 15 06:26:03 is this OSX? Sep 15 06:26:12 m0ngr31: are you doing it on Linux or OSX ? Sep 15 06:26:13 Hi all Sep 15 06:26:21 rwhitby: linux Sep 15 06:26:36 wantubuntuonhpto: s/o$/p/ ? Sep 15 06:26:45 Can someone help me with getting ubuntu set up on my touchpad? Sep 15 06:26:58 do you have the ext3fs? Sep 15 06:27:05 I'm pretty sure Sep 15 06:27:08 s/$/o/ Sep 15 06:27:10 wantubuntuonhpto: what is the exact URL of the instructions that you are following Sep 15 06:27:38 PatrickC_TP: ^^ note Sep 15 06:27:52 rwhitby: gah.. I need to get better at asking that question *first* Sep 15 06:28:06 rwhtby: what does that mean? Sep 15 06:28:23 wantubuntuonhpto: are you following any instructions from anywhere? Sep 15 06:28:29 yes Sep 15 06:28:42 one sec Sep 15 06:28:42 what is the web address of those instructions? Sep 15 06:28:58 rwhitby: when you changed permissions did it work for you? Sep 15 06:29:03 I forget a quagga is an animal Sep 15 06:29:09 err... ECHANNEL Sep 15 06:29:36 what's the wiki link for clearing my ubuntu install so I can start over ? I just want to delete everything on my ext3fs partition Sep 15 06:29:41 m0ngr31: the Makefiles on git.webos-internals.org show how I package our apps Sep 15 06:29:59 nb|webOS: rm -rf /media/ext3fs Sep 15 06:30:47 then reinstall chroot? Sep 15 06:31:00 im not sure which one I'm using, but I'm having problems with running chroot Sep 15 06:31:06 I already installed everything Sep 15 06:31:17 up to the chroot part Sep 15 06:31:23 I didn't know the guides were different Sep 15 06:31:40 I tried uninstalling chroot and installing again and it still doesn't work Sep 15 06:32:07 I did notice there was an update for chroot, but installing that didn't make any difference either Sep 15 06:32:23 there we go, datetime has to be right for the app catalog to work too :) Sep 15 06:32:28 which website guide should I be using? Sep 15 06:32:43 wantubuntuonhpto: what is the exact URL of the instructions that you are following Sep 15 06:33:14 unless we know exactly what you have done so far, the default answer is to doctor and start again Sep 15 06:33:14 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292457-tutorial-how-get-ubuntu-touchpad.html Sep 15 06:33:35 rwhitby: yeah, i was trying to follow those. "chmod +x pmPostInstall.script", "palm-package app service package", and "ar q foo.ipk pmPostInstall.script" should do it right? Sep 15 06:33:48 wantubuntuonhpto: in Step 1-A, did you edit the Makefile to create the ext3fs partition? Sep 15 06:33:55 yes Sep 15 06:34:05 wantubuntuonhpto: pastebin.com your Makefile Sep 15 06:35:33 * rwhitby wonders why those instructions incorrectly talk about a Bell Mobility doctor which has nothing to do with a touchpad Sep 15 06:37:17 hmm,wtf Sep 15 06:37:28 all I did was remove the ### from the makefile Sep 15 06:37:31 you can only sign in to your palm profile on one device? Sep 15 06:37:35 one phone Sep 15 06:38:53 the makefile is webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar right? Sep 15 06:39:04 the makefile is Makefile Sep 15 06:39:44 well, that sucks Sep 15 06:39:50 did you just wipe something Sep 15 06:39:54 is there any way around this limitation? Sep 15 06:40:04 hmm Sep 15 06:40:32 night all Sep 15 06:41:57 if I purchased something from app store will I be able to get it back without paying later if I change my image? Sep 15 06:42:17 what image Sep 15 06:42:45 if I need to start the ubuntu install process over Sep 15 06:42:53 last time it deleted my apps and downloads Sep 15 06:43:06 I forget which step it was that deleted everything Sep 15 06:43:14 yes, if you wipe your device, you can get the apps back Sep 15 06:43:20 I get a bunch of permission denied and operation not permitted errors when I do rm -rf /media/ext3fs Sep 15 06:43:22 wantubuntuonhpto: if you use the same profile you can download the apps you paid for for free Sep 15 06:43:24 it should mostly do it for you when you restore Sep 15 06:43:35 unless you active from impostah Sep 15 06:43:49 I'm running that command from xterm Sep 15 06:44:25 whats impostah? Sep 15 06:44:28 nb|webOS: in linux or in ubuntu on the touchpad? Sep 15 06:45:02 wantubuntuonhpto: the savoir of people like me who bought demo touchpads Sep 15 06:45:10 xecutah to xserver to xterm on touchpad Sep 15 06:45:18 * rwhitby looks for the pastebin.com of the Makefile, doesn't see it, so does something else. Sep 15 06:45:20 * rwhitby bbl Sep 15 06:45:54 nb|webOS: aren't you chrooted into /media/ext3fs? Sep 15 06:46:17 i'm not sure, i haven't tried ubuntu on the TP yet, but that's my guess... Sep 15 06:46:39 that launches me into lxde Sep 15 06:47:02 well you won't be able to delete it if you are using it... Sep 15 06:47:10 I actually want to clear all of that and start over Sep 15 06:47:26 like re-doctor it? Sep 15 06:47:57 I just want to delete everything on the partition Sep 15 06:48:28 then reload a different graphical environment Sep 15 06:49:19 nb|webOS: first: close the chroot Sep 15 06:49:33 I did Sep 15 06:49:42 then go into xterm Sep 15 06:49:43 only one phone per palm profile makes me sad Sep 15 06:49:51 cd /media/ext3fs Sep 15 06:50:09 gyrojoe: but multiple TP's I hear Sep 15 06:50:10 gyrojoe: agreed Sep 15 06:50:26 nb|webOS: what file(s) are in /media/ext3fs? Sep 15 06:51:14 just ubuntu-natty-chroot Sep 15 06:51:37 rm -rf * Sep 15 06:51:51 inside /media/ext3fs****** Sep 15 06:51:57 not in root! lol Sep 15 06:52:23 can't remove operation not permitted Sep 15 06:52:43 should I reboot or something? Sep 15 06:52:53 hmm.. what's the *exact* error?' Sep 15 06:53:32 Jack87: can you sudo a rm? Sep 15 06:53:40 rm -rf /meda/ext3fs/* Sep 15 06:53:46 that would be safer Sep 15 06:53:59 How do I find the makefile? Sep 15 06:54:07 I already loaded it to the device Sep 15 06:54:21 gyrojoe: yes Sep 15 06:54:29 PatrickC_TP: he is already root sudo doesn't mean anything in this case Sep 15 06:54:33 how do I find the makefile? Sep 15 06:54:38 hmm... Sep 15 06:54:45 I already loaded it to device Sep 15 06:54:48 well.. I'm off to bed for real... Sep 15 06:54:49 that is the exact error but I get it for every file in the directory Sep 15 06:54:59 PatrickC_TP: night Sep 15 06:55:08 nb|webOS: how odd.. I didn't get that error when I did that... Sep 15 06:55:12 night Jack87 Sep 15 06:55:42 I'm gonna reboot I think the GUI is still running even tho I tossed the card Sep 15 06:55:49 could be Sep 15 06:56:13 guys Sep 15 06:56:17 I'm back Sep 15 06:56:23 the makefiles is the configuration file for the meta doctor wantaubuntu Sep 15 06:56:42 thank you nb Sep 15 06:56:58 is there a way to locate it on the device now that it is already installed? Sep 15 06:57:06 no Sep 15 06:57:15 nope it's not on the device Sep 15 06:57:18 its stored on the computer you used to make the meta-doctor Sep 15 06:57:28 ah Sep 15 06:57:32 and if you deleted it, there's no way of recovering it Sep 15 06:57:42 unless its in the recycle bin :) Sep 15 06:57:44 is it in linux? Sep 15 06:57:47 * PatrickC_TP doesn't use those Sep 15 06:57:54 or windows Sep 15 06:58:00 wantubuntu: where ever you made the meta-doctor Sep 15 06:58:01 did you get your Dr from the army of monkeys or something ? Sep 15 06:58:17 * PatrickC_TP is starting to think that might be possible Sep 15 06:58:19 nope Sep 15 06:58:25 I was just following the instructions Sep 15 06:58:32 what instructions? Sep 15 06:58:33 I thought that would work Sep 15 06:58:34 URL please Sep 15 06:58:34 you would know this stuff if you created the Dr image yourself Sep 15 06:58:50 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Sep 15 06:58:58 wantubuntu: ok good Sep 15 06:59:03 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292457-tutorial-how-get-ubuntu-touchpad.html Sep 15 06:59:05 now what OS did you run that on Sep 15 06:59:08 I'm rebooting Sep 15 06:59:13 re: Application:MetaDoctor Sep 15 06:59:13 brb Sep 15 06:59:17 ok Sep 15 06:59:23 I ran webOS doctor in windows Sep 15 06:59:30 I also ran some stuff in Linux Sep 15 06:59:39 what OS did you run the meta-doctor stuff in? Sep 15 06:59:40 I don't remember exactly what Sep 15 06:59:49 well, we need to know that stuff Sep 15 07:00:23 it must have been linux Sep 15 07:00:33 because thats what the instructions say to do Sep 15 07:00:43 wantubuntu: yes. that's what it should be Sep 15 07:00:58 and I've really got to go to bed. its 2am, and I have school tomorrow Sep 15 07:01:09 wantubuntu: wish I could help. but you'll have to wait for someone else. Sep 15 07:01:11 sorry Sep 15 07:01:21 and there's no win8 for him tonight Sep 15 07:01:21 damn Sep 15 07:01:30 dwc-: for who? Sep 15 07:01:53 you Sep 15 07:01:54 is it possible to access linux part from windows? Sep 15 07:02:03 dwc-: win8 hates my computer Sep 15 07:02:07 wantubuntu: no Sep 15 07:02:11 not afaik Sep 15 07:02:23 I guess I need to boot into linux to continue this conversation then Sep 15 07:02:26 dwc-: win8 won't even boot in VBox Sep 15 07:02:32 that you should Sep 15 07:02:33 to paste makefile Sep 15 07:02:38 okay I will be right back Sep 15 07:02:47 hopefully when I get back there will be someone to help me Sep 15 07:03:21 brb Sep 15 07:03:26 Metadoctor is only supported on linux now I think Sep 15 07:03:32 wantubuntu: I'm not sure what kind of help you need Sep 15 07:03:38 there's a big warning about it on the wiki page Sep 15 07:03:52 jack87: I need help getting ubuntu on the touchpad Sep 15 07:03:53 gyrojoe: linux and os x iirc Sep 15 07:03:57 no one is going to say anything different than what's in the wiki. so just follow the instructions Sep 15 07:04:35 jack87: rwhitby asked for a pastebin of my makefile Sep 15 07:04:54 Jack87: we need to make sure he actually made the ext3fs Sep 15 07:05:14 I'm 90% sure that I did Sep 15 07:05:16 wantubuntu: you don't need to do pastebin. just start over and follow the instructions Sep 15 07:05:26 well,that 10% can hurt ya Sep 15 07:05:29 okay Sep 15 07:05:39 Jack87: rod asked him to paste, which is why he is trying to do it Sep 15 07:05:45 PatrickC_: I think he should just start fresh Sep 15 07:05:52 I'd like to start fresh Sep 15 07:05:55 Jack87: that's probably best Sep 15 07:06:08 I also just came in. and am sitting at a bar with a beer Sep 15 07:06:16 lol Sep 15 07:06:20 on wIRC I assume :) Sep 15 07:06:22 so it's you that's irc'ing from the bar Sep 15 07:06:40 how long will this whole process take? Sep 15 07:06:46 if I do it right Sep 15 07:06:56 depends.. is the doctor already downloaded? Sep 15 07:07:05 yes Sep 15 07:07:17 its just on the linux part Sep 15 07:07:26 then probably 20-30 minutes, most of which will be running the actual doctor Sep 15 07:07:34 PatrickC_: up wirc Sep 15 07:07:38 okay thats not bad Sep 15 07:07:46 which URL instructions should I be following? Sep 15 07:08:05 I met ka6sox wircing at this very bar Sep 15 07:08:07 the metadoctor wiki you linked to earlier I would assume Sep 15 07:08:14 Jack87: awesome! lol Sep 15 07:08:29 and the precentral page I linked too? Sep 15 07:08:33 wantubuntu: read the MAKEFILE very carefully, and you'll find what you are looking for Sep 15 07:08:42 vrooom Sep 15 07:08:47 wantubuntu: I made the ext3fs without using anything from precentral Sep 15 07:08:56 ka6sox is wa bomb Sep 15 07:09:04 okay Sep 15 07:09:11 wantubuntu: read everything in the makefile. open it with ubuntu's text editor Sep 15 07:09:19 I used gedit Sep 15 07:09:25 da* lol Sep 15 07:09:32 wantubuntu: boot into ubuntu before you talk to us :) Sep 15 07:09:33 is there an uberkernel for Veer on the testing feeds?? Sep 15 07:09:38 ok brb Sep 15 07:09:44 :) Sep 15 07:10:07 ok gedit is perfect. now actually read everything from top to bottom down Sep 15 07:10:21 he's gone lol Sep 15 07:11:04 haha ya Sep 15 07:16:31 uh, glimpse is nice Sep 15 07:17:05 hucksy: ya its neat Sep 15 07:22:36 am I still online? Sep 15 07:23:10 you can't trust wirc these days. Sep 15 07:23:46 ping ping? Sep 15 07:23:54 dwc-: Sep 15 07:26:34 hum... Sep 15 07:28:21 what's up? Sep 15 07:28:54 I've never been able to trust wirc about my online-ness :) Sep 15 07:29:22 I have a "p" alias that does "ping %n" that I use as a manual test Sep 15 07:29:59 hey all Sep 15 07:30:02 I'm back Sep 15 07:31:45 hello Sep 15 07:31:48 anyone here? Sep 15 07:33:20 can someone help me install ubuntu on touchpad? Sep 15 07:34:59 helooooooooooooooooOO? Sep 15 07:35:14 sssh...you are waking up the DEAD. Sep 15 07:35:23 haha Sep 15 07:35:30 good at least someone will keep me company Sep 15 07:36:03 can u help me? Sep 15 07:36:20 maybe...but first I need a drink. Sep 15 07:36:37 ok go ahead Sep 15 07:38:13 i'll be here Sep 15 07:39:49 ah I found my makefile Sep 15 07:41:36 jack87: are you there? Sep 15 07:45:51 anyone here who can help? Sep 15 07:46:25 wantubuntuonhpto: ya but I'm at a bar.. Sep 15 07:46:41 thats okay Sep 15 07:46:58 I'll buy you a drink Sep 15 07:46:59 wantubuntuonhpto: just go to the meta doctor wiki page and be sure to read it Sep 15 07:47:30 I found the makefile Sep 15 07:47:42 and the makefile that you used gedit.. open it... and read it from top to bottom till it says for rod's use only Sep 15 07:48:22 that will help you get a better understanding. really no one will tell you anything different than what is already documented Sep 15 07:49:12 is there any reason why it wouldn't have worked right the first time? Sep 15 07:52:53 you didn't comment what you needed to. Sep 15 07:52:59 just read it. you'll see Sep 15 07:53:04 ## START OF AREA FOR END USER CHANGES ## Sep 15 07:53:04 ######################################## Sep 15 07:53:04 # Uncomment the features that you wish to enable below: Sep 15 07:53:04 # BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1 Sep 15 07:53:04 # BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP = 1 Sep 15 07:53:05 # ENABLE_DEVELOPER_MODE = 1 Sep 15 07:53:07 # AUTO_INSTALL_PREWARE = 1 Sep 15 07:53:09 # ENABLE_TESTING_FEEDS = 1 Sep 15 07:53:11 # INSTALL_SSH_AUTH_KEYS = 1 Sep 15 07:53:13 # INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES = 1 Sep 15 07:53:15 # DISABLE_UPLOAD_DAEMON = 1 Sep 15 07:53:17 # DISABLE_UPDATE_DAEMON = 1 Sep 15 07:53:19 # DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE = 1 Sep 15 07:53:21 ugh Sep 15 07:53:23 # ENABLE_USB_NETWORKING = 1 Sep 15 07:53:24 thank god for pastebins! Sep 15 07:53:25 # REMOVE_MODEL_CHECK = 1 Sep 15 07:53:29 # REMOVE_CARRIER_CHECK = 1 Sep 15 07:53:29 # CHANGE_KEYBOARD_TYPE = z Sep 15 07:53:31 # ADD_EXTRA_CARRIERS = 1 Sep 15 07:53:33 # VAR_PARTITION_SIZE = 2GB Sep 15 07:53:35 # SWAP_PARTITION_SIZE = 512MB Sep 15 07:53:37 EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE = 2GB Sep 15 07:53:39 thats all I did Sep 15 07:53:48 oops Sep 15 07:53:51 what would we do without pastebin? Sep 15 07:53:52 sorry Sep 15 07:53:59 people would be jamming large chunks of text into irc Sep 15 07:54:02 that would be horrible! Sep 15 07:54:06 :D Sep 15 07:54:07 oh noes! Sep 15 07:54:13 jeez I had no idea anyone was here anyway Sep 15 07:54:21 oh yes, we're all here Sep 15 07:54:31 we're here to stay Sep 15 07:54:32 we all float down here... Sep 15 07:54:46 not here to help, just criticize? Sep 15 07:55:00 i see... Sep 15 07:55:18 i gonna try to get ubuntu running later Sep 15 07:55:30 not everyone runs ubuntu on his touchpad Sep 15 07:55:34 can someone tell me if I did it right at least? Sep 15 07:55:38 so not everyone can help you Sep 15 07:55:39 :) Sep 15 07:55:45 I see Sep 15 07:56:07 on motorcycle now brb Sep 15 07:56:17 I mean uncomment sorry Sep 15 07:56:57 am I supposed to edit anything in rod's use area? Sep 15 07:57:04 nope Sep 15 07:57:22 okay I think I just forget to write touchpad and wifi Sep 15 07:57:34 forgot Sep 15 07:58:15 wantubuntuonhpto: the only thing I can say is read! no one knows what you did. but apparently it wasn't correct. so start fresh. and read everything Sep 15 07:59:05 I would recommend having a swap... Sep 15 07:59:12 I really shouldn't wirc and ride Sep 15 07:59:27 :o Sep 15 07:59:33 are you insane? ;) Sep 15 08:00:21 hopefully since we know he had a couple of stiff drinks Sep 15 08:00:24 he's riding in a taxi Sep 15 08:00:29 or a bus Sep 15 08:00:59 make[1]: Nothing to be done for `unpack'. Sep 15 08:00:59 make[1]: Nothing to be done for `patch'. Sep 15 08:00:59 make[1]: Nothing to be done for `pack'. Sep 15 08:01:25 thats what I get when trying to run make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all Sep 15 08:01:26 dwc-: yep... Sep 15 08:02:09 why isnt it working? Sep 15 08:02:11 hucksy, yup... Sep 15 08:02:19 wantubuntuontpad, sunspots Sep 15 08:03:01 make clobber Sep 15 08:03:07 and try it again Sep 15 08:03:23 that worked thanks Sep 15 08:03:38 dwc-: lol motorcycle. I'm at del taco now Sep 15 08:05:19 wantubuntuonhpto: did you uncomment swap? Sep 15 08:05:56 you don't want to touch swap Sep 15 08:05:57 I didn't touch the swap setting Sep 15 08:06:43 oh... NM Sep 15 08:07:59 it be handy to uncomment auto install preware and testing feeds though (if you are planning on doing ubuntu chroot which you are. ) Sep 15 08:09:04 wow del taco grills their onions! nice Sep 15 08:09:12 Jack87: you should not advise people to auto install preware Sep 15 08:11:40 why? Sep 15 08:12:11 I'm not questioning you just wondering? Sep 15 08:12:21 the doco says why Sep 15 08:14:23 I guess I'll have to look at it when I get home Sep 15 08:18:49 would it be possible to do something similar to greasemonkey/userscripts on the pre? have a list of javascript scripts that are injected on specific webpages by the browser? Sep 15 08:22:18 question Sep 15 08:23:01 in the wiki under how to get the optoinal ext3fs partition mounted at device boot Sep 15 08:23:36 can I use the linux commandline from webos for this? Sep 15 08:23:43 *webos doctor Sep 15 08:24:00 is that the same thing as SSH login? Sep 15 08:24:51 wantubuntuontpad: it should, yes Sep 15 08:25:10 linux commandline from doctor / webosquickinstall should be the same as novaterm Sep 15 08:25:25 which in essence gives you access to a shell running on the pre Sep 15 08:25:42 okay and device can be on when entering these commands? Sep 15 08:26:33 the device can be powered on? Sep 15 08:27:35 lemme look at what the commands do Sep 15 08:27:46 but - what do you mean by "powered on" ? screen on? Sep 15 08:28:05 yes Sep 15 08:28:22 screen on Sep 15 08:29:32 if there is a black circle does that mean the app hasnt been dowlnoaded yet? Sep 15 08:29:38 can you point me to the wiki page you refer to? Sep 15 08:30:08 in the launcher page? iirc yes, that circle shows the percentage of the app downloaded (haven't seen it for a while..) Sep 15 08:30:30 so if i just wait it should go away? Sep 15 08:30:35 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Sep 15 08:31:49 ah. you shall use novaterm or ssh - both are equivalent (novaterm is the method doctor/ quick install use) Sep 15 08:32:24 and yes, you can issue those commands while the display is on Sep 15 08:32:41 the system is running regardless of the display being on or off Sep 15 08:53:18 rwhitby, so whats the harm in increasing swap? Sep 15 08:58:39 wasn't he talking about the auto-install of preware? Sep 15 08:59:17 it says in the Makefile, not 100% reliable, use with caution Sep 15 09:02:44 gyrojoe, ya.. but he also said not to do swap Sep 15 09:03:01 * Jack87 always takes his chances with preware auto install. Sep 15 09:03:17 i think it only went belly up on me once.. (long time ago) but it wasnt too bad to resolve Sep 15 09:03:32 I use the preware installer Sep 15 09:03:39 but it always seems to fail the first time Sep 15 09:04:07 I like the Rod's use only section Sep 15 09:04:23 my second choice is always the bootstrap which has never failed (rod doesnt recommend that one either for good reason.. its not really maintained) Sep 15 09:04:31 lol ya Sep 15 09:04:49 also, Do not modify unless you are a Makefile expert Sep 15 09:04:56 I don't think anyone is an expert Sep 15 09:05:08 not even the people that wrote Make Sep 15 09:05:27 at over 1200 lines in that make file i think rod is an expert hehe Sep 15 09:05:59 have you ever seen an autoconf script? Sep 15 09:06:02 omg, wow Sep 15 09:06:29 no.. prolly requires a team? Sep 15 09:06:54 a team to understand it, yea Sep 15 09:29:07 hi every body Sep 15 09:30:54 i am cherching a way to add windows live messanger in my touchpad is there a solution (plugin or patch)??? Sep 15 09:33:26 Deathblad, there was one for webos 2.x (found in precentral forums not in webos-internals) but i dunnow about webos 3.0 (touchpad) Sep 15 09:34:03 ok thx i will see that Sep 15 09:36:46 Deathblad: Jack87: That doesn't work in 3.x yet Sep 15 09:36:52 nuttybunny was supposed to be working on it Sep 15 09:37:00 * rrix may try sooner or later Sep 15 09:39:27 rrix, thanks Sep 15 09:40:05 does Internalz register itself for .patch files? Sep 15 09:42:54 no Sep 15 09:47:57 ah, that explains it Sep 15 09:48:20 they are checking for their own app ID when downloading files Sep 15 09:49:55 also, Internalz should register itself :) Sep 15 13:18:31 Hi, I have interest in the Alpha test of Linphone, can anyone help me with that? Sep 15 15:30:55 yaaawn Sep 15 16:27:53 Anyone know if/where wifi errors are logged to? I want to see why my tp wont connect to a network Sep 15 16:39:32 not sure if this is the right channel Sep 15 16:39:59 but i was wondering if anyone could help me with installing ubuntu on the touchpad Sep 15 16:40:47 im not clear about the directions here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Sep 15 16:41:09 hmm..interesting Sep 15 16:43:11 gadugi813: first, what step are you at? Sep 15 16:44:08 i just finished make-ing the new .jar Sep 15 16:44:23 and im not sure how to start it up Sep 15 16:44:26 what script did you run? Sep 15 16:44:30 running ubuntu on this machine Sep 15 16:44:33 and what is confusing? Sep 15 16:44:54 i did "make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi all" Sep 15 16:45:06 ok good Sep 15 16:45:14 and what seems to be confusing? Sep 15 16:45:39 the next section is "Once the Doctor is running" Sep 15 16:45:55 but i dont know how to run it Sep 15 16:46:14 ok. what dir are you currently in in the command line? Sep 15 16:46:22 i'm not very familiar with java Sep 15 16:46:33 ~/meta-doctor Sep 15 16:46:44 do you have sun java or openjdk? Sep 15 16:46:48 ok, well do a ls Sep 15 16:47:58 i switched the default to sun java per earlier instruction Sep 15 16:48:13 ok good Sep 15 16:48:18 output for ls: build downloads hashes Makefile patches scripts Sep 15 16:48:26 cd build Sep 15 16:48:27 ls Sep 15 16:48:49 touchpad-p302hstnh-wifi-3.0.2 Sep 15 16:49:03 o snap Sep 15 16:49:12 cd touchpad-p302hstnh-wifi-3.0.2 Sep 15 16:49:17 oclet: what? Sep 15 16:49:37 ls Sep 15 16:50:30 carrier ipkgs-file-list.txt rootfs Sep 15 16:50:30 carrier-file-list.txt META-INF webOS Sep 15 16:50:30 com resources webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi-3.0.2.jar Sep 15 16:51:08 java --jar *.jar Sep 15 16:51:30 * PatrickC_TP doesn't feel like typing out the whole jar, so *.jar runs the first thing that the cmd line sees that ends in .jar Sep 15 16:52:23 and then you should see some stuff in the command line, and the doctor pup up Sep 15 16:52:31 s/pup/pop/ Sep 15 16:52:31 PatrickC_TP meant: and then you should see some stuff in the command line, and the doctor pop up Sep 15 16:53:02 ah, excellent Sep 15 16:53:19 work? Sep 15 16:53:29 yes, thanks for your help Sep 15 16:53:40 np Sep 15 17:02:18 I just realized that I have a spare USB hub that I can take apart and play with Sep 15 17:05:04 lol Sep 15 17:05:08 why would you do that? Sep 15 17:07:24 infobot is the worst Sep 15 17:07:27 s/worst/best/ Sep 15 17:07:27 lonequid meant: infobot is the best Sep 15 17:07:30 <3 Sep 15 17:11:34 lol Sep 15 17:12:49 PatrickC_TP: technically, *.jar doesn't run the first thing that it sees that ends in .jar Sep 15 17:13:09 summatusmentis: what does it do? Sep 15 17:13:11 ~infobot Sep 15 17:13:12 from memory, infobot is a her! Sep 15 17:13:17 PatrickC_TP: * is a wildcard character, which means it'll match anything and everything Sep 15 17:13:32 oh.. well, with only 1 jar, it works.. :) Sep 15 17:13:33 so *.jar matches _anything_ in the dir with ending in .jar Sep 15 17:13:49 yes, but if you have more than one jar in that dir, it won't do what you expect Sep 15 17:13:56 yeah.. Sep 15 17:14:09 it's just important to know the difference, for that reason Sep 15 17:14:12 when I have multiple dir's and I do cd * Sep 15 17:14:16 it goes into the first dir Sep 15 17:14:34 well, yeah, because it can't go into the later ones, because you've now moved down a level in the dir structure Sep 15 17:14:37 try ls * Sep 15 17:18:16 prefix your "java" or "cd" with "echo" and you can see how it gets expanded Sep 15 17:18:20 and what gets run Sep 15 17:18:54 oh really? I didn't know that Sep 15 17:18:57 that's pretty neat Sep 15 17:23:03 well, what *would* get run Sep 15 17:23:41 set -x in the shell will turn on a display of what actually does actually get run Sep 15 17:32:03 anyone here with some Linux skills? Sep 15 17:32:12 ~asktoask Sep 15 17:32:12 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Sep 15 17:32:13 why does this not work?: Sep 15 17:32:13 find ./ -maxdepth 1 -name "*.mp4" -exec sh -c novacom put file:///media/internal/sth/{} \< {} \; Sep 15 17:32:28 scoutcamper: I know, was about to post what I posted... Sep 15 17:32:49 pc-world, gotcha Sep 15 17:33:09 i havent done any novacom put stuff, but the find command looks right Sep 15 17:33:20 I think it has a problem with the < Sep 15 17:33:29 what does not work? what does it do? Sep 15 17:34:03 oh posted the wrong command, sorry Sep 15 17:34:20 should actually be this one: Sep 15 17:34:20 find ./ -maxdepth 1 -name "*.mp4" -exec sh -c novacom put file:///media/internal/sth/{} \< {} \; Sep 15 17:34:39 thats the same line Sep 15 17:34:43 that seems very similar to the 1st line :) Sep 15 17:35:06 sorry got a little bit confused... that's the right line :D Sep 15 17:35:14 so what doesnt work? Sep 15 17:35:18 the find looks right Sep 15 17:35:23 prints just novacom help msg Sep 15 17:35:53 then the novacom command has incorrect syntax Sep 15 17:36:21 did you try the novacom command outside the find? :p Sep 15 17:36:55 novacom put file:///media/internal/test.txt < hi.txt Sep 15 17:36:55 works Sep 15 17:37:37 are you sure you need that backslash before the redirect operator? Sep 15 17:37:50 I'm always confused as to when you do and don't, but I seem to remember find -exec doesn't Sep 15 17:38:26 I actually don't know :) Sep 15 17:38:26 why are you using that instead of just using usb mode? Sep 15 17:39:13 without backslash it says Sep 15 17:39:13 bash: {}: file or dir not found Sep 15 17:39:26 * PatrickC_TP just novaterm's into the phone/touchpad and cd /media/internal Sep 15 17:39:26 ls Sep 15 17:39:34 ok Sep 15 17:39:34 dwc-: because USB mode is lame and only makes only problems Sep 15 17:39:39 then scp it Sep 15 17:39:52 pc-world: what exactly are you looking for? Sep 15 17:39:59 just all mp4 files? Sep 15 17:40:00 pc-world: do you know what {} is expanded to in your case? you could add -exec echo {} \; to your line Sep 15 17:40:03 find ./ -maxdepth 1 -name "*.mp4" -exec sh -c "novacom put file:///media/internal/sth/"{}" < "{}" \; Sep 15 17:40:09 PatrickC_TP: want to transfer a batch of files using novacom Sep 15 17:40:11 cause you don't have quotes Sep 15 17:40:18 if you ahve a file name with spaces you're going to have trouble Sep 15 17:40:23 Lazar_Dobrescu: yes I know Sep 15 17:40:25 pc-world: tar up the files, and transfer the 1 tar to the device Sep 15 17:40:31 and then untar on the device Sep 15 17:40:32 Lazar_Dobrescu: no spaces Sep 15 17:40:44 PatrickC_TP: would be really inperformant, otherwhise I would have done this Sep 15 17:40:57 files are 1,8GB Sep 15 17:40:57 tar is fast Sep 15 17:41:01 try adding -exec echo {} \; so we see what your {} expands to Sep 15 17:41:05 and you wouldn't even have to write an extra copy Sep 15 17:41:05 pc-world: umm.. wow Sep 15 17:41:07 dwc-: but not on device I think Sep 15 17:41:10 that's quite a few files Sep 15 17:41:20 but tar would still work Sep 15 17:41:33 tar cf - `...` | novacom "tar xf -" Sep 15 17:42:10 dwc-: that sounds nice, will try it Sep 15 17:42:30 I thought I had to tar it, then transfer the tar, then untar it, then delete the tar, but this seems to be nicer Sep 15 17:43:05 dwc-: does that tar it and move it to te device at once? Sep 15 17:43:20 and then the device untars it as it receives the input Sep 15 17:43:20 PatrickC_TP: it more or less "streams" to the device Sep 15 17:43:28 PatrickC_TP: take out the | and see what happens to your terminal Sep 15 17:43:29 and you have to make sure that it "stream" to the right dir Sep 15 17:43:37 -C Sep 15 17:43:41 dwc-: I don't have a terminal open, nor one close right now Sep 15 17:43:42 yep. I leave that part as an exercise to the reader Sep 15 17:43:52 and you don't want all that streaming to go into root. Sep 15 17:44:35 who needs -C when you have ( subshells ) Sep 15 17:45:13 tar -cf - *.mp4 | novacom xf /media/internal/sth/ Sep 15 17:45:13 unknown command Sep 15 17:45:13 tar: -: [something in german ...] (broken pipe) Sep 15 17:45:13 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Sep 15 17:45:25 oh forgot tar in novacom Sep 15 17:45:54 also that's now how you specify the output directory I think Sep 15 17:45:56 adding tar won't make it work Sep 15 17:45:57 and you need the - Sep 15 17:45:59 f needs to be - Sep 15 17:46:10 - means read from stdin Sep 15 17:46:13 lonequie: but which path goes it to then? Sep 15 17:46:22 you can use -C or a subshell to change the path Sep 15 17:47:54 this? Sep 15 17:47:54 tar -cf - *.mp4 | novacom tar -C /media/internal/sth/ -xf - Sep 15 17:48:07 should work Sep 15 17:48:58 bbl lunch Sep 15 17:49:14 I guess I need to add "--" after novacom, so it won't recognize the options as options for novacom Sep 15 17:49:32 probably needs to have all that in quotes Sep 15 17:52:31 thank you, works now :) Sep 15 17:52:35 np Sep 15 17:53:46 * dwc- is reminded to update his novacom so he can touchpad Sep 15 17:55:16 the command that worked is: Sep 15 17:55:26 tar -cf - *.mp4 | novacom run file:///bin/tar -- -C /media/internal/sth/ -xf - Sep 15 18:04:12 hello all! Sep 15 18:06:43 hello you Sep 15 18:06:54 I'd like to alpha test linphone on the touchpad. where to get the binary package? Sep 15 18:08:33 MartinF, in about 5-7hrs someone should be about that knows about that. Sep 15 18:09:27 ah, thank you! Sep 15 18:37:10 ka6sox: do you use Ampache? Sep 15 18:38:53 uh......wazzat? Sep 15 18:40:42 ampache is a gui for windows to setup apache/mysql i think? Sep 15 18:40:47 or am i thinking of lamp Sep 15 18:40:48 :P Sep 15 18:42:07 wamp Sep 15 18:42:23 ampache is a media streaming server Sep 15 18:42:29 that's web based Sep 15 18:43:21 ^^ Sep 15 18:50:49 is there whatsapp for webs? Sep 15 18:50:53 *webos Sep 15 18:51:26 hey Sep 15 18:51:39 is there anyone here? Sep 15 18:51:55 bye Sep 15 19:13:58 what's the untar command on webos? Sep 15 19:14:01 tar -xvf? Sep 15 19:15:13 cause it throws some weird errors when I try to untar a file.. Sep 15 19:15:16 its a tar.gz Sep 15 19:15:51 tar -xf Sep 15 19:16:25 if it's a .tar.gz file, you need -xvzf Sep 15 19:16:50 x == extract, v == verbose, z == gzip, f == filename following Sep 15 19:16:50 tar -xf does detect etc Sep 15 19:16:55 orly? Sep 15 19:16:59 yup Sep 15 19:17:04 works for tar gz, tar bz2 .. Sep 15 19:17:06 even in the busybox version of tar? Sep 15 19:17:12 summatusmentis: thanks Sep 15 19:17:15 not sure Sep 15 19:17:16 * PatrickC_TP tries Sep 15 19:17:18 but i think yes Sep 15 19:17:33 PatrickC_TP: all of the flags are listed in the comman "man tar" Sep 15 19:17:39 Flemmard: I was unaware of that Sep 15 19:17:41 neat Sep 15 19:17:52 lazy flags XD Sep 15 19:18:05 why is it that putting v in there would make it not detect? Sep 15 19:18:16 cannot change ownership to uid 420 Sep 15 19:18:35 so.. it failed :/ Sep 15 19:18:43 certainly sounds like it Sep 15 19:18:44 I'll just makar on the computer later Sep 15 19:18:57 make it a regular tar* Sep 15 19:19:10 hmm Sep 15 19:19:18 not do : grep -rin something . > file Sep 15 19:19:36 huh? was that to me? Sep 15 19:19:43 no it' just a note for me :D Sep 15 19:20:03 I bet that makes things angry Sep 15 19:20:18 lol Sep 15 19:21:52 it's just an infinite loop XDE Sep 15 19:21:54 XD Sep 15 19:23:09 yep, yep it is Sep 15 19:53:36 hey all, managed to fubar preware on my TP. i ran the remove all apps/info thing to fix that muffle system logging email bug last week but i failed to un install my patches first. now preware doesnt know they are installed and i cant re/uninstall them. any ideas? does jasons repair utility work on the TP? Sep 15 19:58:48 they are still installed right? if you want them to show up on preware run the emergency reconstruction utility Sep 15 19:59:04 lupos: EPR Sep 15 19:59:15 Emergency Patch Recovery Sep 15 19:59:33 i think i tried it but ill give it another go Sep 15 20:00:35 i had rebooted it a min ago and now that worked fine. restarting now. thanks guys Sep 15 20:04:39 if I'm running a command in novaterm, and accidentally run another command while the first one is executing, is that bad? Sep 15 20:29:18 ran epr and stil doesnt show my patches or allow me to install the same ones i had before the wipe :( Sep 15 20:33:54 the ERP will not show the patches installed. it will erase the patches Sep 15 20:34:04 can you see if they are installed? visually? Sep 15 20:37:40 yes Sep 15 20:37:43 no touch ripple Sep 15 20:37:48 adnvanced powe rbutton menu Sep 15 20:37:56 advanced power button menu Sep 15 20:38:21 and i get a failure whenever i try to install them Sep 15 20:39:07 doesnt the epr require the preware files to know what to remove? and doesnt that stuff get tossed when i do the "erase apps and data" Sep 15 20:39:54 "erase apps and data"only erases the apps installed in /media/cryptofs and the data associated with them Sep 15 20:45:57 i dunno what else to do then :/ Sep 15 20:46:06 loosk like a doctorin' tis in order Sep 15 20:47:11 wish I could help.. sorry :/ Sep 15 20:48:35 thanks anywho Sep 15 20:51:10 hm. i'm still stuck on the java Sep 15 20:52:03 i can't get it to create /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs Sep 15 20:53:07 didn't you get the doctor to run? Sep 15 20:53:13 i've been messing around with the makefile Sep 15 20:53:14 yes Sep 15 20:53:21 and did you switch to sun-java before or after making the doctor? Sep 15 20:53:29 before Sep 15 20:53:31 then why are you trying to create ext3fs? Sep 15 20:53:38 then everything should have worked fine Sep 15 20:54:20 mount: mounting /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs on /media/ext3fs failed: No such file or directory Sep 15 20:55:02 cd /media/ext3fs Sep 15 20:55:05 dont i need that directory for it to mount right? Sep 15 20:55:20 first try and cd /media/ext3fs Sep 15 20:55:37 ok Sep 15 20:55:50 does /media/ext3fs exist? Sep 15 20:55:57 yes Sep 15 20:56:16 hmm... then I don't see why it wouldn't work.. sorry :/ Sep 15 20:56:20 it worked fine for me Sep 15 20:56:27 try Sep 15 20:56:37 i messed around with the makefile a bit Sep 15 20:56:37 mkdir /media/ext3fs and see if it throws an error Sep 15 20:57:05 '/media/ext3fs': File exists Sep 15 20:57:22 ok.. odd.. idk then Sep 15 20:57:23 sorry Sep 15 20:58:12 similar problem to this: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/292457-tutorial-how-get-ubuntu-touchpad-18.html#post3134749 Sep 15 20:58:16 ok, thanks Sep 15 21:04:30 if you deviate from the formula then YMMV Sep 15 21:06:14 i found another url that seems to indicate i didnt uncomment enough in the makefile Sep 15 21:07:00 you should only have to uncomment the ext3fs part Sep 15 21:07:15 oh Sep 15 21:23:21 if your target mountpoint exists (/media/ext3fs), it smells like your ext3 partition doesn't exist Sep 15 21:24:45 dwc- i believe that's the problem Sep 15 21:25:23 time to start over then Sep 15 21:55:57 MartinF: the linphone links are in the thread Sep 15 21:58:22 rwhitby: you mean this one? http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing-11.html#post3094022 Sep 15 22:01:04 yes Sep 15 22:03:59 i hoped for an updated one. i get the waiting for the service error Sep 15 22:04:35 hey rwhitby, is there a stopdevicewipe for webos 1.4.5 devices? I noticed the impostah stuff didn't seem to have those functions enabled on 1.4.5? Sep 15 22:05:38 after you have everything where is the option to overclock Sep 15 22:06:03 in 1.4.5, you just remove the file that has the profile info Sep 15 22:06:03 how: govnah? Sep 15 22:06:17 I went there Sep 15 22:06:24 where do j click Sep 15 22:06:27 I Sep 15 22:06:38 I'm afraid, I don't know which file has the profile in it Sep 15 22:06:40 how: are you following the instructions in http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Sep 15 22:07:21 I did everything but there is no option to overclock it show 1.2 Sep 15 22:07:24 dwc-: it's alongside the PalmDatabase.db file I think Sep 15 22:07:32 PalmAccountDatabase or something Sep 15 22:07:40 ok let me tty that Sep 15 22:10:32 rwhitby: thanks Sep 15 22:10:44 I will add that to the wiki when I get a chance to verify it Sep 15 22:10:51 (friend's phone, not mine) Sep 15 22:11:15 ok Sep 15 22:37:30 the Emergency Filecache Wipe (EFW) .. is it something that has to be manually run after install? what exactly does it solve/prevent? Sep 15 22:37:48 and is it possible to play mms and/or http streams on my touchpad? Sep 15 22:39:06 depending on the video format, yes Sep 15 22:39:15 for http Sep 15 22:39:21 I suspect not for mms Sep 15 22:42:22 yay! it works Sep 15 22:42:25 thanks everyone Sep 15 22:47:24 * Jack87 wishes the TP BT KB had a sym button on left side and F keys to be used interchanagably with computers Sep 15 22:47:49 dwc- : i tried some http streaming but it did not work Sep 15 22:47:58 instead it downlaoded the stream Sep 15 22:57:22 where are Bluetooth profiles stored in a doctor? Sep 15 22:58:08 Got IP clearance from my workplace to release the little PulseAudio restarter app I was working on. Anyone got any docs/info on what I ought to do in order to make it available via Preware? Assuming there should probably be public repository and testing phases first, but not sure if there's a standard process. Sep 15 22:59:35 dkirker1: you work at Palm, right? Sep 15 22:59:43 yeah Sep 15 23:00:17 do you happen to know where the Bluetooth profiles are stored in a doctor? or know who to ask? :) Sep 15 23:00:30 FoxFireX: the only way right now is thru Precentral Sep 15 23:00:34 PatrickC_TP: you are asking the wrong person... Sep 15 23:00:36 I'm trying to change that :) Sep 15 23:00:37 lol Sep 15 23:00:39 dkirker1: ok.. thx Sep 15 23:00:40 lol Sep 15 23:00:42 also... Sep 15 23:00:55 * dkirker1 generally does not talk about that kind of stuff in IRC Sep 15 23:01:14 halfhalo knows all.. Sep 15 23:01:18 can halfhalo tell me :) Sep 15 23:01:24 dkirker1: that's what PM is for :) Sep 15 23:02:52 first, 99% sure the profiles re built into the bt daemon, and two, google is your friend. Sep 15 23:03:10 google hates me :P Sep 15 23:03:43 but lets see if find is my friend... Sep 15 23:04:16 what exactly are you trying to do? Sep 15 23:04:37 get the MAP Bluetooth profile from the pre3 and put it onto legacy hw Sep 15 23:04:41 for txt fwding Sep 15 23:05:54 thought so Sep 15 23:06:03 should not be too hard if I know where the file is on the pre3.. I'll just put it there on the legacy hw Sep 15 23:06:35 hmm.. this file looks interesting Sep 15 23:06:36 I would suggest looking at something a little more open for ideas Sep 15 23:06:47 dwc-: like? Sep 15 23:06:50 like try the opensource bt stacks Sep 15 23:06:54 or in a distribution Sep 15 23:06:57 e.g. bluez Sep 15 23:07:21 then you'll know whether it's likely at a kernel level, driver level, daemon, etc. Sep 15 23:07:33 dwc-: and how would I know where to put it on the device Sep 15 23:07:33 ah Sep 15 23:07:34 I see Sep 15 23:07:54 FoxFireX: we can put it on git.webos-internals.org if you like Sep 15 23:08:18 rwhitby: That'd be cool by me. The structure is based on your guys' work. Sep 15 23:08:56 FoxFireX: do you want to maintain the git repo there, or elsewhere? Sep 15 23:09:24 If you have the structure already set up to do it, I'd prefer to let it be there. Sep 15 23:09:38 s/If/Since Sep 15 23:12:01 dwc-: if it is at kernel level, couldn't we build a kernel to include it? Sep 15 23:12:47 you'll have to look and see Sep 15 23:15:20 ok Sep 15 23:19:01 I might have found it.. Sep 15 23:19:05 time to look further Sep 15 23:20:20 of course.. its encoded :/ Sep 15 23:20:38 I THINK I ACTUALLY FOUND IT! Sep 15 23:20:43 looks like it Sep 15 23:21:08 /usr/bin/PmBtEngine Sep 15 23:21:24 approx. line 5913 Sep 15 23:22:38 if someone could also check that file (I found it on the touchpad) and look? Sep 15 23:27:15 ka6sox tells me someone was on last night that had the same issue as me with the micro sim adapter...but was able to fix it. Anyone know who that was? Sep 15 23:28:19 it was around the time Saij was online Sep 15 23:28:25 so the logs are your friend. Sep 15 23:29:05 FoxFireX: did anyone answer you yet? Sep 15 23:29:16 Yes, working on it. Thanks. :) Sep 15 23:29:21 great :) Sep 15 23:29:24 Except mirc doesn't log by default :-\ and I don't even know if I was online Sep 15 23:29:37 ~logs Sep 15 23:29:38 All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/%23webos%2dinternals/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. Sep 15 23:29:49 LarrySteeze: it's in the topic :p Sep 15 23:29:58 woot! Sep 15 23:30:02 I'm blind Sep 15 23:30:03 oh interesting, logs starting with spaces are not logged... it's like bash Sep 15 23:31:56 dwc-: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt logs everything, per topic :) Sep 15 23:32:25 And in real time! Sep 15 23:32:29 Or at least close to it. I think. Sep 15 23:34:04 gyrojoe Sep 15 23:34:12 umm.. the pre2 seems to have MAP too.. Sep 15 23:34:22 dang...not online Sep 15 23:35:13 ya, thats him Sep 15 23:37:35 lets hope this works Sep 15 23:37:41 * PatrickC_TP crosses fingers Sep 15 23:40:22 why did I do that on the pre2.. ohwell.. it'll still tell me if it works Sep 15 23:44:30 aww.. might not have worked Sep 15 23:49:06 * PatrickC_TP thinks he broke his bluetooth Sep 15 23:49:08 time to fix Sep 15 23:49:20 lol Sep 15 23:49:33 I thought I had it too :/ Sep 15 23:49:45 the file contains tons of stuff about MAP Sep 15 23:49:53 Dont feel bad, when I was messing with adhoc today my tp rebooted spontaniously Sep 15 23:50:52 lol Sep 15 23:51:01 my pre2 likes to spontaneously reboot lol Sep 15 23:51:58 PatrickC_TP: it does that Sep 15 23:52:13 mine does that in the phone app Sep 15 23:52:18 I know.. it could also be my kernel :P Sep 15 23:52:27 mine does it.. whenever it wants Sep 15 23:52:40 is it completely rebooting or just crashing/rebooting luna? Sep 15 23:52:47 Ive gotten adhoc to work, but not the way I want Sep 15 23:52:54 aka does it go to the penguin or just to the HP symbol Sep 15 23:53:08 completely Sep 15 23:53:14 It could be a hardware fault Sep 15 23:53:16 I see Tux all the time :) Sep 15 23:53:33 and then a bunch of text flying across the screen Sep 15 23:53:47 you monitoring temperature? Sep 15 23:54:58 yep Sep 15 23:55:03 never gets above 40 really Sep 15 23:55:10 and its high if it gets to 40 Sep 15 23:55:32 s/40/50 Sep 15 23:55:41 I'm at 45 right now after 2 reboots Sep 15 23:55:52 running the Palm Default kerenel Sep 15 23:55:55 kernel* Sep 15 23:57:37 that's odd Sep 15 23:57:40 doctor Sep 16 01:13:45 Ok...let's get back to this Sep 16 01:13:50 if gyrojoe can do it, I can do it too Sep 16 01:14:15 anyone know how to change system sounds on the TP? Sep 16 01:15:23 found em with internalz in /usr/palm/sounds but i cant copy/overrite into that folder with internalz Sep 16 01:16:17 resistivecorpse_, did you put internalz into master mode? Sep 16 01:16:30 how? Sep 16 01:16:45 resistivecorpse_, in preferences at the very bottom Sep 16 01:17:12 it'll make it so you can change anything, so dont be too careless Sep 16 01:17:54 thanks. only wanna tweak card discard sounds Sep 16 01:18:22 found the corresponding .mp3 but needed your tip to move it Sep 16 01:18:40 np Sep 16 01:23:22 * LarrySteeze has his veer in about 43 different pieces now :D Sep 16 01:24:08 and the awesome part is, the void sticker is still (mostly) in tact Sep 16 01:24:16 LarrySteeze, I sent mine out to get the screen replaced Sep 16 01:24:33 what happened to the screen? Sep 16 01:24:47 or was it just a bad unit Sep 16 01:24:59 I got it and it came with a load of dead/stuck pixels Sep 16 01:26:17 yuck Sep 16 01:26:21 Yeah Sep 16 01:26:22 mine ate a microsim adapter Sep 16 01:26:29 so I'm in the process of getting it out Sep 16 01:26:44 Yeah, I read microsim adapters and the veer dont mix Sep 16 01:26:59 which is unfortunate for me Sep 16 01:27:11 because I don't have a GSM carrier, and my wife has an iPhone 4 Sep 16 01:27:39 but I think a microsim adapter will be fine, you just have to tape the top and bottom to ensure the microsim stays in without moving Sep 16 01:27:56 without covering the contacts of course Sep 16 01:27:59 I'm getting fed up with testing adhoc Sep 16 01:28:14 adhoc hosting or connections Sep 16 01:28:53 I use an usb adapter to use for adhox so i still have an internet connection and network manager gets confused and sometime the internal card doesnt come back up Sep 16 01:29:12 windows 7? Sep 16 01:29:17 linux Sep 16 01:29:22 odd Sep 16 01:29:29 what variant? Sep 16 01:29:33 ubuntu Sep 16 01:29:40 (I know, I know) :P Sep 16 01:29:48 so, basically...windows? Sep 16 01:29:49 ;-) Sep 16 01:29:58 I was lazy Sep 16 01:30:07 it's cool. My computer dual boots windows and ubuntu Sep 16 01:30:08 windows with a shitty interface Sep 16 01:30:14 unity blows Sep 16 01:30:28 I have a fedora machine too though Sep 16 01:30:33 it's not much better Sep 16 01:30:48 I'd use win7 to test adhoc, but I dont want to keep boot back and forth Sep 16 01:30:58 just running it because of amahi, though I'm soon switching to lmce Sep 16 01:31:31 Anyone want to help test something for me with an adhoc network? Sep 16 01:31:34 I'm confused though, ubuntu should have no problem with multiple network adapters Sep 16 01:31:49 wrea: with which device? Sep 16 01:31:54 touchpad Sep 16 01:31:57 I only have pre, pre 2, veer, and TP Sep 16 01:32:08 sure, what do you want done? Sep 16 01:32:16 I can put the veer project on hold for a minute Sep 16 01:32:32 need to change something in /tmp/.wpa_supplicant.conf Sep 16 01:32:43 and then connect to an adhoc network Sep 16 01:32:52 It probably wont be visible Sep 16 01:33:00 so ill have to identify the name Sep 16 01:33:07 Right Sep 16 01:33:23 in the conf change ap_mode=1 to ap_mode=2 while wifi is on, then try connecting Sep 16 01:33:33 well I don't exactly have a cable nearby Sep 16 01:33:40 let me see if internalz will let me do it hold on Sep 16 01:34:12 woot Sep 16 01:34:16 13% battery Sep 16 01:34:16 It will, just turn on hidden files in prefs Sep 16 01:34:19 lol Sep 16 01:34:41 that's the lowest I've run this thing Sep 16 01:35:23 so you want wifi on...does it have to be connected to a network or not connected to a network? Sep 16 01:36:22 doesnt need to be connected, just on so the conf is created Sep 16 01:36:29 loost my internalz icon, hold on, let me restart luna Sep 16 01:38:31 are you looking for me to create this file? it doesn't exist in my /tmp/ Sep 16 01:38:50 and I'm currently connected Sep 16 01:38:54 * LarrySteeze disconnects Sep 16 01:39:16 weird, you sure you have hidden files set in prefs? Sep 16 01:39:27 of course Sep 16 01:40:03 i have it now Sep 16 01:40:09 okay Sep 16 01:40:14 hey guys, found some more keyboard tricks on the TP Sep 16 01:40:27 and you want the value to be 2? Sep 16 01:40:32 Yes Sep 16 01:40:41 ok Sep 16 01:40:59 and I'm assuming you want me to set up an ad hoc and connect, or at least attempt? Sep 16 01:41:03 if you hold the ukey and drag your finger to the u^ symbol, that will go back in history Sep 16 01:41:14 LarrySteeze, yes Sep 16 01:41:33 if you hold the u key and hit the u with the accent grave, it will go forward in history Sep 16 01:41:34 um Sep 16 01:41:43 give me a minute while I disconnect from wifi :P Sep 16 01:41:48 I'll be off then back on Sep 16 01:43:14 ~infobot Sep 16 01:43:14 extra, extra, read all about it, infobot is a her! Sep 16 01:45:21 no beans Sep 16 01:45:29 "Unable to connect. Try again." Sep 16 01:45:49 Can you double check the value in the conf again Sep 16 01:45:56 I have it change on me sometimes Sep 16 01:45:57 sure Sep 16 01:46:16 I'm down to 7% battery so it looks like on the last leg, it's on it's last leg Sep 16 01:46:23 still at 2 Sep 16 01:46:41 Thanks Sep 16 01:46:45 * LarrySteeze puts it on touchstone Sep 16 01:47:17 So if definitely needs another wpa_supplicant for it to work Sep 16 01:47:22 it could be computer that has the error too, so I'll test it again in a few minutes Sep 16 01:47:38 I have to use mine and changing the value to get it to work Sep 16 01:47:46 Okay, thanks again LarrySteeze Sep 16 01:47:48 np Sep 16 01:48:26 freetether does infrastructure, right? Sep 16 01:50:49 pretty sure Sep 16 01:51:22 so that wouldn't be another testing agent then Sep 16 01:51:47 has anyone else here disassembled a veer? (other than rod or joe) Sep 16 01:52:20 actually, joe isn't here, but I'd love to talk to him Sep 16 01:57:51 wrea: now that my TP has charged for a moment, let me go try ad-hoc with my fedora machine Sep 16 02:08:10 wrea: tried with two computer OS's and android, and no go, unfortunately Sep 16 02:08:33 Okay, so then wpa_supplicant is part of the problem Sep 16 02:08:40 Thanks Larry Sep 16 02:08:52 no problem Sep 16 02:09:02 I can try again with ubuntu if you want, but it'll require a reboot for me Sep 16 02:09:23 Nah, that seems pretty conclusive to me for now Sep 16 02:09:30 * LarrySteeze shrugs * Sep 16 02:09:33 also the 3rd option key for the y character acts as the tab key in xterm Sep 16 02:09:38 I'm all about testing as many times as possible Sep 16 02:10:59 i'm trying to find the alt key for finch :) Sep 16 02:11:20 My patch isnt working like it should for whatever reason too. It removes the [IBSS] tag and adds a prefix to the ssid so you know its adhoc. So for all the rest of the system knows its infrastructure. Sep 16 02:12:04 it really shouldn't matter, ad-hoc or not Sep 16 02:12:18 the connection goes in and out just the same Sep 16 02:13:16 I'm about ready to buy a new veer. Anyone here want a new (unopened) veer for $55 or so? Sep 16 02:15:19 why buy a new one if this one is unopened? Sep 16 02:15:48 no Sep 16 02:15:57 I'm possibly buying a new one Sep 16 02:16:10 I figured as long as I'm buying one, I could pick up more if needed Sep 16 02:16:56 Hello Sep 16 02:17:15 Anybody here on that can assist with a issue I have on my Touchpad Sep 16 02:17:35 LarrySteeze, where are you getting them for that price? Sep 16 02:17:58 Having issues installing packages/software with WebOSQuickInstall. If i try, it just stays there....any suggestion or tips? Sep 16 02:18:19 also, when I go into device management, nothing shows up in the list of installed items that I can uninstall Sep 16 02:21:04 Hm... well, that'd be the first time luna's crashed for me on the touchpad. Sep 16 02:42:48 luna crashes on me when it's been running for a while Sep 16 02:43:32 actually this last time it looks like the tp rebooted Sep 16 02:44:15 It seemed to be linked to youtube... but we'll see if it's happier after updating. Sep 16 02:47:44 updateing what? Sep 16 02:47:47 updating Sep 16 02:48:15 I need a whiteboard to keep track of all the combinations of stuff I tried. Sep 16 02:49:10 Latest update to webos Sep 16 02:50:11 3.0.2 or is there a newer one out? Sep 16 02:50:25 3.0.2.68 Sep 16 02:50:48 ok. yeah that was a good update Sep 16 02:50:57 * cat-xeger hopes so! Sep 16 02:51:06 It's certainly taking for bloody ever to install :) Sep 16 02:51:31 yep. Sep 16 02:58:45 Well... promising -- at least I'm getting something that looks like trying to download video instead of trying to do something with luna **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 16 02:59:56 2011