**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 17 02:59:57 2011 Sep 17 03:00:03 * rwhitby continues to wonder why internet articles about our chroot solutions never refer back to the official pages Sep 17 03:00:28 evening fellas Sep 17 03:00:47 * LarrySteeze continues to wonder why the touchdroid wiki contains webos-internals information without referring back to the official pages Sep 17 03:01:58 thanks.. I was just looking at the debian ipkg in preware and noticed it said you'd need an actual ext3 partition, and I thought 'hmm... what's really the difference between that and a loopback' Sep 17 03:02:19 benklop: hopefully that page I linked is the homepage link in that package, yes? Sep 17 03:04:26 sure does.... I really should read first then ask questions... Sep 17 03:04:37 links right to that page Sep 17 03:05:00 I think we need to make that homepage link somehow more attractive for people to click Sep 17 03:11:39 well it looks pretty generic - it just says webos-internals.org, I didn't realize it went somewhere useful Sep 17 03:22:14 Okay, sent that email off. Sep 17 03:24:07 benklop: how would you make it look more useful, noting that it will be much longer than the line width on a phone Sep 17 03:35:24 so question everyone: I heard people talking about Skype on the Pre3. Is that built in or needs an ipkg extract? Sep 17 03:35:44 Does anyone have the link to the preware package Sep 17 03:36:03 get.preware.org Sep 17 03:36:46 true, I think that if it said documentation instead of homepage and had "...(endofurl)" I would have thought it would be more useful, even if I couldn't read the whole url... alternately, does preware automatically show the domain, or is that text config Sep 17 03:36:47 urable? if it just said 'important docs' or 'installation info' I think it would be more often clicked Sep 17 03:36:48 can the ipk be installed by itself or is there something else that needs to be moved Sep 17 03:37:15 benklop: preware automatically shows just the domain Sep 17 03:37:39 CTLAdvance: preware is installable using palm-install Sep 17 03:37:50 (that's how I install it) Sep 17 03:37:55 nice, and is 1.7 the best version to install Sep 17 03:38:30 yes Sep 17 03:38:36 Excellent Sep 17 03:39:08 * LarrySteeze always installs 1.5 and lets it update itself >.< Sep 17 03:39:13 it will update itself to the latest Sep 17 03:39:18 you can install 1.7 and let it update itself too Sep 17 03:39:19 Whats the i686 for Sep 17 03:39:23 emulator Sep 17 03:39:31 ah ok yes that makes sense Sep 17 03:42:18 Wow, webOS works better with windows 8 then it does with 7, as far as novacom does Sep 17 03:42:21 goes Sep 17 03:43:36 That is interesting, maybe just better kernel opt in 8 Sep 17 03:44:28 Hmm, on the Pre3, is Bing Maps an ENYO app? Sep 17 03:44:47 it sorta acts that way when you navigate the menu Sep 17 04:03:32 i lost the damn veer cable and cant find it anywhere Sep 17 04:04:05 thats why i thought ahead and purchased 5 of them Sep 17 04:04:24 halfhalo, i thought of that.. but their so damn expensive Sep 17 04:04:34 * halfhalo got his for 2.50 Sep 17 04:04:35 lol Sep 17 04:04:48 halfhalo, lol thats a different story Sep 17 04:06:37 rwhitby: an ETA on beta/alpha feeds? Sep 17 04:08:05 no Sep 17 04:09:30 rwhitby: ok. I'll keep an eye on the page.. thx for the heads up Sep 17 04:12:45 halfhalo, the worst part about it is.... i know i put it somewhere "safe" so i wouldnt lose it Sep 17 04:14:37 * dwc- also picked up an extra one. $2.50 Sep 17 04:16:04 dwc-, where are you guys getting these for 2.50? Sep 17 04:16:20 the palm hq store firesale Sep 17 04:16:37 i guess im out Sep 17 04:16:47 so are they, afaik Sep 17 04:17:09 ahaha Sep 17 06:52:37 Hello ! Sep 17 06:53:39 I'm playing a bit around with a Debian chroot under Webos with Xecutah. Sep 17 06:54:04 Does anybody know if there is an easy way to enable glx support for the Xserver ? Sep 17 07:04:08 * PatrickC_TP mumbles at sprint Sep 17 07:04:46 * Saij just learned this IRC gesture Sep 17 07:05:03 * PatrickC_TP pats Saij on the back Sep 17 07:05:13 * PatrickC_TP welcomes Saij to the club :) Sep 17 07:07:19 Irc is a strange thing Sep 17 07:07:27 Kinda cool though Sep 17 07:08:28 Wish the wirc help that has the commands explained what they did Sep 17 07:10:01 what are you looking for? Sep 17 07:10:09 and #wirc is a lot of help :) Sep 17 07:10:53 Oh, just a quick reference Sep 17 07:11:21 Might just google it and throw them into a memo here for reference Sep 17 07:20:22 Anyone mess with xecutah yet? Sep 17 07:21:24 yep Sep 17 07:21:35 probably about a thousand people or so Sep 17 07:22:02 Saij: add the help to the wiki page Sep 17 07:22:02 rwhitby: why would Impostah not be able to install com.palm.app.mobilehotspot ? Sep 17 07:25:13 Fair, I'll do that. Thinking pixi isn't the right tool for the job however :p Sep 17 07:25:28 Turn a 5 minute task into a few hours worth Sep 17 07:25:58 I was asking about xecutah only because my keymap for it is beyond f'd Sep 17 07:31:37 PatrickC_TP: is com.palm.app.mobilehotspot on the app catalog? Sep 17 07:32:19 dwc-: not for sprint pre- its not Sep 17 07:32:25 not this morning anyway Sep 17 07:32:34 is it normally? Sep 17 07:32:54 no, never has been for sprint devices Sep 17 07:33:15 hi; please let me know if i should ask this somewhere else; i got ubuntu running on my touchpad, including xfce and gnome and florence, but i can't seem to get rid of the webos keyboard, even when i set it to Off in Tweaks. any hints? Sep 17 07:33:51 Habbie: have you read the Tip in Xecutah ? Sep 17 07:34:05 no, but i did fix my issue just now Sep 17 07:34:09 so nevermind and thanks :) Sep 17 07:34:16 i did read the tip before Sep 17 07:34:23 Wicked :) Sep 17 07:34:26 but the issue was that i should, of course, restart Xserver after changing the setting in Tweaks Sep 17 07:34:42 How'd you install ubuntu? Sep 17 07:34:59 I've not gotten that far yet :P Sep 17 07:35:10 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Sep 17 07:35:33 Rod, are you ever not on your A game? Sep 17 07:35:36 like the howto, basically, except i didn't use the doctor Sep 17 07:35:49 novaterm+resizefat+lvresize+lvcreate etc. Sep 17 07:37:12 Habbie: please add that to that wiki page then Sep 17 07:37:23 will do Sep 17 07:37:49 I'm guessing this is not an armv6 available dealie? Sep 17 07:39:54 ubuntu no, debian yes. Sep 17 07:41:23 Mm. This looks like a project for another night then Sep 17 07:41:40 Gents, its been real. Thanks and later Sep 17 07:43:20 anyone happen to know where Xecutah/Xsdl keeps its Xorg.0.log ? Sep 17 07:44:01 in /tmp/xserver.log I think Sep 17 07:44:53 ah got it Sep 17 07:45:10 that's not it actually ;) Sep 17 07:45:40 that's just stdout from apps that run terminal-less i think Sep 17 07:46:03 probably /tmp in the chroot then Sep 17 07:47:06 that wouldn't actually make sense as Xecutah and Xterm work fine without the chroot even present Sep 17 07:47:16 true, ignore me :) Sep 17 07:47:58 :) Sep 17 08:07:21 hi Sep 17 08:09:35 since i installed ubuntu chroot on touchpad, i can't have acces to accounts in webos Sep 17 08:10:56 rwhitby, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot#Step_1:_Creating_a_WebOS_Doctor updated :) Sep 17 08:11:39 Habbie: pkill -SIGUSR1 cryptofs Sep 17 08:11:52 (or some syntax like that) Sep 17 08:12:04 USR1 to halt, USR2 to resume Sep 17 08:12:05 and yesterday installing SDLterminal with preware didnot work, it never stop the download/install Sep 17 08:12:14 rwhitby, will halt release the hold it has on /media/internal ? Sep 17 08:12:21 Habbie: yes Sep 17 08:12:27 ok Sep 17 08:12:28 will update Sep 17 08:12:42 Douilspee: who is the author/maintainer of that package? Sep 17 08:12:59 not on touchpad yet Sep 17 08:13:49 rwhitby, updated Sep 17 08:20:30 ~alpha-feed Sep 17 08:20:51 infobot, alpha-feed is super bleeding edge software and should never be used on a production device... period. Sep 17 08:20:51 cryptk: okay Sep 17 08:22:30 does infobot log a chan? was curious Sep 17 08:22:43 it does alot of neat stuff id like to have setup as well Sep 17 08:23:02 rhcp[linux], I answered that for you the other day, no, infobot is not what we use for our logging... nslu2-log does our logging Sep 17 08:23:10 ah thanks Sep 17 08:23:12 i never saw it Sep 17 08:23:16 infobot /can/ be used to log a channel though with the proper configurations and such Sep 17 08:23:29 but we don't use it for that Sep 17 08:23:39 could be cool. i could use something like this Sep 17 08:47:25 hape: FYI: testing/* -> beta-apps/* in build.git Sep 17 11:13:35 dtzWill: I was told that you could point me in right directiong for getting UTF-8 working in XTerm. Sep 17 11:13:59 Is that by any chance right :)? Sep 17 12:11:40 ok, who's ready to try out the new alpha and beta testing feeds? Sep 17 12:14:05 * hucksy|tp can Sep 17 12:14:38 http://testing.preware.org/ has the migration instructions Sep 17 12:15:41 k Sep 17 12:21:11 its ok to enable both at the same time? Sep 17 12:21:48 NuttyBunny_ : did you ahve maybe an clue when a beta version of your syunergy plugins will come to the tp? this fall or year or early next hyear? Sep 17 12:23:17 hucksy|tp: why are you enabling the alpha testing feeds? Sep 17 12:23:35 hucksy|tp: what packages are you activately alpha testing? Sep 17 12:26:33 nah, i thought you want a test of using the feeds, i have no apps in the preware catalog Sep 17 12:26:53 please test using the beta feeds Sep 17 12:27:16 jup ok Sep 17 12:29:46 sounds like german Sep 17 12:32:42 riiight Sep 17 12:36:50 rwhitby: done Sep 17 12:37:10 just beta apps activated atm Sep 17 12:37:28 working fine? Sep 17 12:37:42 yep :) Sep 17 12:38:36 anything need to be added to the instructions? Sep 17 12:40:40 I've added a note about being able to enable both at the same time. Sep 17 12:41:12 nope, it just take a second to install preware higher than 1.7, but i need sleep and when it becomes stabld it will be obsolete anyway ;) Sep 17 12:41:19 ah k Sep 17 12:41:37 *stable Sep 17 13:47:23 Yum, n64 emu for tp Sep 17 13:48:18 "Yes, seriously. You must uninstall Preware." don't like this sentence :) Sep 17 13:48:52 but I belong to persons who like to break rules and see what happens :D Sep 17 13:50:00 pc-world: great. I now know to ignore any future support request of any kind from you ;) Sep 17 13:52:58 Rofl Sep 17 13:53:34 Quick Install is so messy... when I search for Preware, no results come up Sep 17 13:53:54 pretty strange that there's no alternative to QI yet Sep 17 13:54:28 there are four other ways to install preware Sep 17 13:54:52 I know palm-install, standalone installer - will do that probably Sep 17 13:54:53 I like the ole commandline :-P Sep 17 13:55:01 no problems here... install via quickinstall Sep 17 13:55:18 I also use quilt for my patches Sep 17 13:55:27 quilt? Sep 17 13:55:58 Its a joke because we used to have some pretty difficult methods of installing patvhes Sep 17 13:56:25 what is the WI-recommended way to install patches that are not in the feed? Sep 17 13:56:33 heh, and people complain that things are hard today. Sep 17 13:56:37 I don't like Quick Install for testing patches Sep 17 13:56:42 pc-world: WOSQI or Internalz Sep 17 13:56:59 no commandline way? Sep 17 13:57:04 both use the same AUPT scripts that our autobuilder uses Sep 17 13:57:47 sure, use vi on the command line Sep 17 13:58:42 I guess that would mess up AUPT because the md5sums file doesn't get changed etc.? Sep 17 14:00:14 Internalz doesnt support .patch though Sep 17 14:00:23 Only if the patch is a .ipk Sep 17 14:00:32 Abyssul-TP: no, Internalz Pro installs diffs as well Sep 17 14:00:42 pc-world: you like breaking the rules and seeing what happens, right? vi is the right thing for you to apply patches then. Sep 17 14:00:50 I could never get it to install Sep 17 14:01:00 Oh nooooo vi.... Sep 17 14:01:14 Abyssul-TP: you need an active internet connection, because it downloads AUPT Sep 17 14:01:17 Do that stuff manually :'( the horror Sep 17 14:01:56 * pc-world removed and reinstalled Preware 1.8.1 as rwhitby demanded :P Sep 17 14:02:32 the reason is because the feeds are actually created in the post-install script. Sep 17 14:02:41 if you don't reinstall, the feeds won't get created. Sep 17 14:03:22 ah thx Sep 17 14:03:24 it also makes sure people don't try and install testing feeds when they are away from a computer and unable to recover if something goes wrong with their first testing feed package. Sep 17 14:04:35 I notice you care that users don't break their devices ;) Sep 17 14:07:12 Because people can be idiots Sep 17 14:07:18 rwhitby: did as the instructions told - in the feeds there are still webos-testing-all and webos-testing-armv7, not just the beta-* feeds. Is that expected? Sep 17 14:07:32 Gotta make things idiot proof Sep 17 14:08:09 pc-world: can you give me a screenshot of the Manage Feeds page showing those feeds please? Sep 17 14:08:49 Abyssul-TP: probably more that "idiots" can't enable the testing feeds (because they need to do some cmd stuff) Sep 17 14:10:08 rwhitby: Will do. There are some other old custom feeds too (like mplayer) Sep 17 14:10:15 More along the lines of "duh what? Rules? Forget those. I herd that these new testing feeds are the bomb... Why does my tp act funny now..." Sep 17 14:13:34 rwhitby: http://www.abload.de/img/prewarewjxg.png - also note that there are still some other old custom feeds too Sep 17 14:13:49 should the webos-testing-* have been removed automatically? Sep 17 14:16:06 "I've read the rules." ;) Sep 17 14:16:57 let me tell you. doctoring a veer is a pain in the A Sep 17 14:17:06 hate this magnet connector Sep 17 14:18:32 Lol Sep 17 14:19:58 pc-world: other custom feeds stay Sep 17 14:20:26 but apparently the old testing feeds stayed for me too Sep 17 14:20:54 rwhitby: may I remove them myself? Sep 17 14:21:52 U should get the testing feed announcement on pc front page :-P Sep 17 14:22:34 Abyssul-TP: then again too many users enable the testing feeds who shouldn't ;) Sep 17 14:23:04 Theywould find out anyways Sep 17 14:25:19 pc-world: do not remove them, wait for 1.8.3 coming soon Sep 17 14:25:27 rwhitby: I should mention that I first misread the migration. I uninstalled Preware, reinstalled it and *then* executed the commands. Sep 17 14:25:27 When I noticed that, I removed Preware again, executed the commands, and reinstalled Preware. And that's me now Sep 17 14:26:03 pc-world: update to 1.8.3 now Sep 17 14:26:25 I'll do. Note that I was using 1.8.1, not 1.8.2 Sep 17 14:26:37 both had the bug Sep 17 14:27:03 manually created feeds had different names to automatically created feeds Sep 17 14:27:11 I now capture both Sep 17 14:29:58 rwhitby: After updating, hangs on checking device type now Sep 17 14:30:48 will reboot Sep 17 14:34:51 I'm getting really sick and tired of seeing the "Phone Disconnected" screen on the Veer Doctor Sep 17 14:35:36 rwhitby: thanks. after a reboot, Preware worked again and the old testing feeds are now gone Sep 17 14:38:06 Anybody know how beta-patches will work? Will we be able to flag patches as beta? Sep 17 14:41:29 Would be nice Sep 17 14:41:32 pc-world: haven't worked that out yet Sep 17 14:42:06 alpha-patches will be used for testing new AUPT scripts which will be able to handle patching files in /media/cryptofs/apps/... Sep 17 14:42:41 so once that is working, we'll probably use beta-patches to do a complete upgrade of all patches to use the new AUPT scipts and then beta test those. Sep 17 14:44:09 rwhitby: patching files in cryptofs?! yeeeaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!! Sep 17 14:44:27 so we'll be able to patch files that are not in md5sums? Sep 17 14:44:46 correct. once the AUPT scripts to do so have been written by someone Sep 17 14:45:03 then we would be able to use version numbers for framework patches (like /version/1.0) instead of /submission/xxx/ Sep 17 14:45:27 version number never (or rarely) changes, but submission number almost every webOS release Sep 17 14:46:02 so when we can use version numbers instead of submission numbers for framework patches, we don't have to provide different patches for webOS 2.1, 2.2, etc. Sep 17 15:00:08 Wait.... So current patches cant do cryptofs? I made a patch for cryptofs and it worked Sep 17 15:01:28 Abyssul-TP: try to remove it... Sep 17 15:01:41 that resulted in the patched file being removed completely Sep 17 15:01:44 for me Sep 17 15:01:59 yep, that's what will happen Sep 17 15:02:15 rwhitby: thanks for the heads up on the new feeds Sep 17 15:02:19 Im at work so i cant but i wouldnt know. I did t uninstall the patch Sep 17 15:02:36 btw, are there problems with patches screenshots? Often the screenshots don't get displayed in Preware Sep 17 15:02:46 pc-world: there is. Sep 17 15:03:17 we think the wiki spam protection is preventing them being uploaded by the patch portal. Sep 17 15:03:58 are they being stored in MediaWiki? Sep 17 15:04:11 So they grab the images from the wiki? Why not store them in the feeds? Sep 17 15:04:53 ^^ that's what I was thinking Sep 17 15:05:12 just store them in a "screenshot" folder on the server and reference to them in the Packages file Sep 17 15:06:57 let me look @ the group permissions Sep 17 15:07:01 Just a suggestion, I know that you all have better things to do. I'd like the option to submit patches for multiple webOS versions at once Sep 17 15:07:21 currently, I have to wait for the patch to be approved and then submit the version for another webOS version Sep 17 15:07:33 pc-world I would rather not touch the patch portal... Sep 17 15:08:03 pc-world: actually, you can submit multiple updates for different versions without waiting Sep 17 15:08:17 (as long as it has been submitted once in the past) Sep 17 15:08:29 ok, thanks for that info, wasn't sure about this. Sep 17 15:09:00 PatrickC_TP: thanks for volunteering to fix the patch portal. Sep 17 15:09:16 PatrickC_TP: when do you think you will have it done? Sep 17 15:09:26 Thanks PatrickC_TP! Sep 17 15:10:05 Rofl Sep 17 15:10:14 PatrickC_TP will do that gladly... Sep 17 15:10:28 but please don't use his fix in production system! ;D Sep 17 15:10:38 * ka6sox hears crickets... Sep 17 15:11:14 pc-world: it's ok, it shouldn't need any if statements ... Sep 17 15:11:20 * PatrickC isn't on the TP anymore Sep 17 15:11:25 didn't hear it ding :P Sep 17 15:11:34 all I need is FTP login :) Sep 17 15:11:36 but seriously, why not let "normal" devs do things like that? Sep 17 15:11:47 do what? Sep 17 15:12:05 fixing/extending patches portal for example Sep 17 15:12:36 well, the last three people who volunteered never completed the job :( Sep 17 15:12:53 is app portal pure PHP? Sep 17 15:13:01 so its *still* broken...and fragile Sep 17 15:13:08 rwhitby: we shouldn't use the alpha feeds unless we've contributed? Sep 17 15:13:15 ka6sox: but works better than HP's app portal... Sep 17 15:13:22 but we'd be only too happy for someone who is an experienced software engineer to fix things up Sep 17 15:14:08 What ever happened to dbsooner... Sep 17 15:14:18 no longer a webOS user Sep 17 15:14:39 Shame :/ Sep 17 15:14:49 that stinks Sep 17 15:15:03 um, that happened over a year ago ... Sep 17 15:15:08 wow... Sep 17 15:15:21 what speed(s) has the pre3 been brought up to? Sep 17 15:15:21 Time flies... Sep 17 15:15:33 okay, those who complain about the patch portal, get it fix it :P Sep 17 15:15:42 * PatrickC didn't complain Sep 17 15:15:43 ka6sox: give us the source! Sep 17 15:15:46 it was pc-world! Sep 17 15:15:53 iirc its there. Sep 17 15:15:56 up in git Sep 17 15:15:59 PatrickC: I just asked :D Sep 17 15:16:04 lol Sep 17 15:16:11 ka6sox: we don't expose it by default Sep 17 15:16:34 * ka6sox sees too much. Sep 17 15:16:50 oh right...php won't stand up to scrutiny. Sep 17 15:17:13 if I *had* (more) time, I'd try to do more OpenSource things in the webOS world, I -would- also try to fix the app portal, reorganize the WebOS Internals wiki (which is a little mess imo), etc... Sep 17 15:17:39 but I have not more time :) Sep 17 15:18:12 if I knew PHP, I would try :) Sep 17 15:18:21 but I only know HTML/CSS/JS ;) Sep 17 15:18:29 PatrickC: you have a website but don't know PHP? Sep 17 15:18:33 go learn it, it's easy ;) Sep 17 15:18:38 lol Sep 17 15:18:45 HTML/CSS/JS has sufficed :) Sep 17 15:19:04 and I only run pre-build php stuff :P Sep 17 15:19:39 pc-world: little mess? it's a huge mess. Sep 17 15:20:06 rwhitby: didn't want to get punched by you Sep 17 15:21:45 Rofl Sep 17 15:22:19 * rwhitby bbt - goodnight all Sep 17 15:22:23 * ka6sox goes back to figuring out how to get Vbus on OTG Sep 17 15:22:26 niters Sep 17 15:22:46 night rwhitby Sep 17 15:24:18 Crazy... Its 11 here in the morning :-P Sep 17 15:24:34 10 am here :P Sep 17 15:24:44 8:30 here Sep 17 15:24:47 5pm Sep 17 15:25:12 * pc-world1 hates this imaginary pc-world Sep 17 15:30:28 yesterday someone translated the whole Testing Feeds article into German... and now most of it is deprecated Sep 17 15:30:49 good. Sep 17 15:31:46 why? :P Sep 17 15:32:32 should be easy to tweak when the new comes out... Sep 17 15:33:28 its going to be better for Devs Sep 17 15:34:36 don't really understand what you want to say ;) (I talked about the WI wiki) Sep 17 15:35:18 sorry...I thought it was the XDA articles directly accessing the feeds, bypassing the normal method. Sep 17 15:35:48 pc-world, the wiki articles unfortunately will need to be changed... Sep 17 15:36:01 ka6sox: already made a warning that it's deprecated Sep 17 15:36:22 but its important to be able make it easier for the devs to work so we can get things out the door. Sep 17 15:36:38 (then maybe someone will have time to fix the patch portal) Sep 17 15:36:59 * ka6sox does not hold his breath on that ever happening. Sep 17 15:40:45 ka6sox: once I learn PHP (soon hopefully) I can try and take a crack at it Sep 17 15:40:54 i'll update the german article Sep 17 15:41:12 hucksy|tp_, wait till the changes are made... Sep 17 15:41:22 k Sep 17 15:41:29 unless the english is update with the new method already. Sep 17 15:41:35 its a changing Sep 17 15:41:48 huh? it is Sep 17 15:41:52 ka6sox: haven't the changed been made to the wiki? Sep 17 15:41:53 I have the beta/alpha feeds already Sep 17 15:41:53 followed the wiki Sep 17 15:41:54 kewl! Sep 17 15:42:07 then its all good. Sep 17 15:42:12 much easier then the old feeds :) Sep 17 15:42:17 sweet Sep 17 15:42:24 i already translate the new version ;) Sep 17 15:42:50 PatrickC you realize that Alpha Feeds are TOXIC and if you blow stuff up the only answer is "Doctor" :D Sep 17 15:43:19 Caveat Emptor Sep 17 15:43:22 that's fine with me :P Sep 17 15:43:25 I like to test that kind of stuff and help find the bug fixed :) Sep 17 15:43:42 there is only like 3 apps in the alpha feeds lol Sep 17 15:44:33 hucksy|tp_, thanks for the translation. Sep 17 15:44:38 much apprecited Sep 17 15:44:48 PatrickC: I think they have not yet migrated all apps Sep 17 15:44:49 no problem :) Sep 17 15:44:50 things will come and go there. Sep 17 15:45:26 does anyone know if you can easily mention someone in wIRC without having to retype his/her whole name? Sep 17 15:45:27 precentral needs a beta feed Sep 17 15:45:43 pcworld: tab complete :) Sep 17 15:45:45 PatrickC: they need to fix their feed system before Sep 17 15:45:51 pcworld, what TAB? Sep 17 15:46:04 pcworld: no. I need to get the WOR feeds up :) Sep 17 15:46:10 PatrickC: (using the Mojo version) Sep 17 15:46:18 PatrickC what TAB character is on phone? Sep 17 15:46:22 tab complete :) Sep 17 15:46:29 where is it? Sep 17 15:46:35 meta+sym Sep 17 15:46:38 yes, I think WOR would do a much better job with the feeds Sep 17 15:46:50 pcworld: I'm working on it :) Sep 17 15:46:57 not sym Sep 17 15:47:01 meta+opt Sep 17 15:47:24 PreCentral feeds: only one screenshot, no category, no dev name/link etc. ... Sep 17 15:47:34 yeah Sep 17 15:47:45 WOR? Sep 17 15:47:48 precentral feeds == someone who was in a rush and didn't know what they were doing Sep 17 15:47:54 ka6sox: webOS Roundup Sep 17 15:47:54 Hello all. Am I allowed to make a patch request on here? Sep 17 15:48:05 PatrickC: awesome! meta+opt works Sep 17 15:48:07 fudge_i3: I guess so? Sep 17 15:48:11 I know it does :) Sep 17 15:48:26 oil told me about it (I think it was him :P ) Sep 17 15:48:45 fudge_i3: why not Sep 17 15:48:57 PatrickC: seriously working on wor feeds? Sep 17 15:49:02 My pixi's screen is very odd, I have to touch the top half before the bottom half responds. and it gets very annoying on incoming calls. Sep 17 15:49:05 pcworld: yes Sep 17 15:49:15 I was wondering if someone can make a patch to answer a call using the space bar Sep 17 15:49:34 PatrickC: wirc is much more fun with complete feature :) Sep 17 15:49:59 heh Sep 17 15:50:00 PatrickC: which programming language? (probably not PHP :P) Sep 17 15:50:02 I know :) Sep 17 15:50:06 haha Sep 17 15:50:21 fudge_i3, its in the log now...so maybe it will happen. Sep 17 15:50:24 why do I need one? :) Sep 17 15:50:29 wordpress? :D Sep 17 15:50:33 lol ok, thanks ka6sox Sep 17 15:50:36 yep Sep 17 15:50:57 and how do you generate feeds? Sep 17 15:51:06 the ipkg feeds Sep 17 15:52:00 Why not get a new pixi.... Dont fix hardware faults with sfotware solutions... Sep 17 15:52:22 * pcworld notices he would be much more productive if he wasn't in IRC :D Sep 17 15:52:26 w pixis are like $27USD Sep 17 15:52:42 Seriously o.O Sep 17 15:53:10 yeah, but i'm just a junior in highschool. :P Sep 17 15:53:23 okay, time to poke the non-existent TWL_4030. Sep 17 15:53:25 Its 27 bucks and the screenwil Sep 17 15:53:35 Screen will present problems down the road * Sep 17 15:53:44 unless someone is willing to donate/sell me a digitizer Sep 17 15:53:56 i see Sep 17 15:54:12 What carrier fudge_i3 Sep 17 15:54:15 sprint Sep 17 15:54:17 Abyssul-TP: it's more fun to fix things oneself Sep 17 15:54:19 fudge_i3, unfortunatly oil has the digitizer from my spare. Sep 17 15:54:31 aw Sep 17 15:54:48 pcworld: depends on the situation imo Sep 17 15:54:59 fudge_i3, let me see if I have another one. Sep 17 15:55:11 :) <3 Sep 17 15:55:17 no promises Sep 17 15:55:26 i know Sep 17 15:55:56 otherwise its sprint-pixi+ time Sep 17 15:56:15 fudge_i3, did you try fleabay to get one for parts? Sep 17 15:56:24 that might be like $10 or less Sep 17 15:56:25 PatrickC_TP: how will you generate ipkg feeds? Sep 17 15:56:41 i only found the covers for the glass. Sep 17 15:56:45 kk Sep 17 15:56:47 Hell yeah... Pixi+ it :-P Sep 17 15:57:24 lol i tried out a pixi+ a while ago. not much difference except the wifi Sep 17 15:57:30 pcworld, you basically have to get the metadata from the feed and massage it into a packages.gz file that can be parsed by preware. Sep 17 15:57:50 Massage... Sep 17 15:58:41 the pre-central feeds are not in a format that preware can use... Sep 17 15:58:47 so they have to be massaged. Sep 17 15:58:55 lol Sep 17 15:59:10 as in put in an order that preware understand. Sep 17 15:59:21 I'd really to love a closed-source feed that's working and in Preware by default Sep 17 15:59:36 gl Sep 17 15:59:40 Why closed source... Sep 17 16:00:15 I really got to dig in an poke this stupid thing... Sep 17 16:00:49 Abyssul-TP: because there are devs that want to make money with their apps or at least not have them opensource... Sep 17 16:01:07 pcworld, yep...thats call HP's app catalog Sep 17 16:01:14 the reason that the precentral feed has about 10x more apps than the WI one Sep 17 16:01:33 ka6sox: but the appcat is not reliable and geo-restricted Sep 17 16:01:50 pcworld: sorry Sep 17 16:02:00 I will hand write the Packages file for now I guess Sep 17 16:02:24 until I find a better way to do it while still including all the things I need Sep 17 16:02:35 * ka6sox hands PatrickC a feather quill and inkwell. Sep 17 16:02:45 lol Sep 17 16:03:05 sorry....stone tablets and chisel. Sep 17 16:03:15 PatrickC: have 30min a look at php/mysql, then you're (more or less) able to make a script that does it for you ;P Sep 17 16:03:28 lol Sep 17 16:03:44 or have you write one for me ;) Sep 17 16:03:46 B00m...that blew up. Sep 17 16:04:09 I'd just write php, without wordpress ;) Sep 17 16:04:18 lol Sep 17 16:04:27 well, the wordpress will only be for the submitting :) Sep 17 16:04:34 everything else will be done by hand :P Sep 17 16:05:26 if it amuses you :) Sep 17 16:05:34 but really look forward to that Sep 17 16:05:43 that being the feed? Sep 17 16:05:45 ka6sox: can you PM me if you find the digitizer? I'm about to go make me some breakfast. Sep 17 16:06:00 looking forward to the WOR feed Sep 17 16:06:07 sure, its time for breakfast out here on the Pacific Plate. Sep 17 16:06:22 pcworld: so am I :) Sep 17 16:06:41 ka6sox: talk to rwhitby on getting it included as a predefined feed? Sep 17 16:06:54 in preware* Sep 17 16:07:17 you can any feed you want. even private ones if you have the URL to the feed. Sep 17 16:07:34 I know that Sep 17 16:07:36 s/can/can have/ Sep 17 16:07:36 ka6sox meant: you can have any feed you want. even private ones if you have the URL to the feed. Sep 17 16:07:41 ka6sox: he said predefined Sep 17 16:07:47 I want it to be in there on install like Precentral's is Sep 17 16:08:28 I kind of doubt a hand re-written packages.gz file is going to be able to keep up. Sep 17 16:08:34 and better remove the precenral one and migrate all apps to the WOR one ;) Sep 17 16:08:35 with changes Sep 17 16:09:21 ka6sox: I'm hoping to find a better way soon Sep 17 16:09:31 preferably before launch Sep 17 16:09:37 PatrickC: three letters Sep 17 16:09:37 pcworld: haha yeah Sep 17 16:09:38 P Sep 17 16:09:41 H Sep 17 16:09:41 P Sep 17 16:09:42 :D Sep 17 16:10:07 PatrickC: have you already talked with WOR? Sep 17 16:10:22 yes Sep 17 16:10:35 and I'm just waiting to hear back from David Sep 17 16:11:23 we (WOR) would have 1 major thing over the PC feeds Sep 17 16:11:27 MinWebosVersion Sep 17 16:12:20 that would be nice Sep 17 16:12:46 what about a paid app system? Sep 17 16:13:02 don't think we could do that just yet Sep 17 16:14:00 I'm going to be working on an app (once Your Radio is done) that will be like preware, but have a rating system and be more of an easier layout Sep 17 16:16:50 PatrickC: that's what I hoped someone would develop Sep 17 16:17:06 its coming (eventually) :P Sep 17 16:17:12 without having to load feeds, so grabbing every "view" from a server Sep 17 16:17:23 I might build it off of the existing preware app Sep 17 16:17:25 not sure Sep 17 16:17:32 Why not incorporate a serial number or registration system for ur app if u want to sell outside the catalog? Other devs have done this Sep 17 16:17:36 pcworld: exactly Sep 17 16:17:46 Abyssul-TP: howso? Sep 17 16:18:00 ah. like to use it they have to register Sep 17 16:18:10 and registration costs 1 time whatever? Sep 17 16:18:11 Abyssul-TP: because it's against the developer agreement with HP Sep 17 16:18:36 What clause? Sep 17 16:18:48 Abyssul-TP: I already have developed a system that would just do that. Sep 17 16:18:53 pcworld: I know free apps that i you have to pay-for to use Sep 17 16:18:58 okay this is getting OT for here. Sep 17 16:19:08 ka6sox: #webos? Sep 17 16:19:13 your choice Sep 17 16:19:27 pcworld, Abyssul-TP: #webos time :) Sep 17 16:19:27 but talking about going around agreements is OT here. Sep 17 16:19:46 No one else is talking :\ Sep 17 16:19:47 I'm not trying to go around, but it is getting offtopic Sep 17 16:19:58 Abyssul-TP, pcworld: actually.. #webosworld Sep 17 16:20:04 we can have a private channel :) Sep 17 16:20:44 * PatrickC waits for them to join Sep 17 16:21:40 Meh, too much work, not worththe arguement Sep 17 16:21:57 ok Sep 17 16:22:04 there wasn't gonna be one.. but ok lol Sep 17 16:25:10 Abyssul-TP: e. g. "Developer hereby grants to HP an exclusive (even as to Developer) right to distribute the Application for Commercial Purposes" Sep 17 16:25:47 Abyssul-TP: also 3.b (caption "Exclusive Right to Distribute") Sep 17 16:26:06 https://developer.palm.com/help/index.php?topic=1815 Sep 17 16:26:55 pc-world: would that not also include and alternatic app catalog then?? Sep 17 16:27:37 it's about commercial use; read section 3b Sep 17 16:28:08 I see it. That is only if u submit the app to the catalog, but ive never seen HP enforce that rule either with homebrew or others. Sep 17 16:28:22 yes, if you submit it to the app cat Sep 17 16:28:52 then you're not allowed to distribute it somewhere else for commercial purposes; free version would be fine I guess Sep 17 16:29:05 * pc-world provides NO warranty that it's right what he's talking about Sep 17 16:29:10 How does kalemsoft work then? Sep 17 16:29:23 what is he doing? Sep 17 16:29:55 Paid version in catalog then registered version through website Sep 17 16:30:13 I guess that's against the rules Sep 17 16:30:52 Well its a trial, but requires registration after a set day Sep 17 16:31:02 http://www.kalemsoft.com/site/purchase.html - but the paid ones are not in the App Catalog, right? Sep 17 16:31:17 then I guess it's no problem Sep 17 16:32:42 U can buy a paidversion in the catalog Sep 17 16:33:48 the same you can buy on the website? Sep 17 16:34:45 Idk how it all work, Sep 17 16:34:50 ok, seems to be the case for KalemSoft MediaPlayer Sep 17 16:35:00 he named it KalemSoft Video Player in the appcat Sep 17 16:35:06 I just thijk HP doesnt care and puts it there as liability Sep 17 16:35:13 probably Sep 17 16:35:18 but still, this is OT Sep 17 16:35:19 OT Sep 17 16:35:23 it should be in #webosworld Sep 17 16:35:30 but in #webosworld there is nobody :D Sep 17 16:35:37 there's me and you :) Sep 17 16:35:52 that's also in /msg PatrickC Sep 17 16:36:00 lol Sep 17 16:36:10 without a ChanServ reading what I'm saying Sep 17 16:36:36 b00m2 Sep 17 16:36:55 doesnt' like me poking that register :( Sep 17 16:37:30 ka6sox: what does webOS Internals use to generate the feeds? Sep 17 16:37:36 mysql/php? Sep 17 16:38:00 I think a mixture of Shell scripts, C/C++ Sep 17 16:38:47 definitely no PHP I think Sep 17 16:39:20 hello Sep 17 16:39:56 PatrickC: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/ Sep 17 16:40:41 copystring_toarray: hi Sep 17 16:41:10 dwc-: thx Sep 17 16:42:21 I'm new in here. is there a lot happening in this channel? Sep 17 16:42:26 copystring_: hey Sep 17 16:42:28 depends Sep 17 16:42:47 ...on your time zone :D Sep 17 16:42:56 lol Sep 17 16:43:13 hehe Sep 17 16:43:14 "lol" is OT and needs to be moved to -> #webos :P Sep 17 16:43:33 haha Sep 17 16:43:54 in #webos there's only one OP and he won't kick us because he's sleeping or whatever Sep 17 16:44:19 I received my pre 3 yesterday. I used to have a pre- Sep 17 16:47:27 anyone else using one? Sep 17 16:48:04 I will be soon Sep 17 16:49:19 what do you have currently? Sep 17 16:49:34 pre- Sep 17 16:49:39 about to be pre2 Sep 17 16:49:55 with 2.1? Sep 17 16:49:59 yep Sep 17 16:50:54 Move it to #webos peeps, dont want any OT ruining the place Sep 17 16:51:10 Gotta keep it silent and fresh Sep 17 16:51:21 sorry Sep 17 16:51:26 umm... 2.1 on a pre- is on-topic Sep 17 16:51:30 Im joking... Sep 17 16:51:41 copystring_: don't worry.. Abyssul-TP is just being dumb :P Sep 17 16:51:41 lol ok Sep 17 16:52:06 Greetings Sep 17 16:52:11 hey Sep 17 16:52:12 hello Sep 17 16:52:27 trsohmers: moin :P Sep 17 16:52:32 Quick question… is preware able to push delta updates? Sep 17 16:52:39 delta? Sep 17 16:52:42 delta updates = ? Sep 17 16:52:51 "delta updates"= only update what is needed without redownloading everything Sep 17 16:53:09 hmm.. don't think so Sep 17 16:53:10 I thought it does that? Sep 17 16:53:14 hm Sep 17 16:53:19 no, it doesn't Sep 17 16:53:24 the app catalog isn't even that advanced :P Sep 17 16:53:44 what exactly are delta updates? Sep 17 16:54:01 ah, I think I know Sep 17 16:54:02 copystring_: (18:52:22) trsohmers: "delta updates"= only update what is needed without redownloading everything Sep 17 16:54:05 copystring_: only updates the files that need changed Sep 17 16:54:13 or even a diff file Sep 17 16:54:39 yeah. I had to think for a second :p works similar to a patch then, doesn't it? Sep 17 16:54:40 Basically .patch collection into a package :-P Sep 17 16:55:11 Abyssul-TP: only one .patch file compressed with 7z :P :P Sep 17 16:56:37 is the sftp optware package broken btw? worked fine on the pre- it gives me problems on the pre 3 though Sep 17 16:58:05 copystring_: I had problems with it on my Pre 2, removed it and since then it doesn't show up in Preware anymore Sep 17 16:58:34 odd Sep 17 16:59:08 I used to use it for syncing my music Sep 17 16:59:31 maybe because optware is confused, I have a folder /media/ext3fs but nothing is mounted there Sep 17 17:01:22 maybe, yeah. on the other side the openssh is working fine. just openssh sftp doesn't Sep 17 17:02:46 maybe I'll write a normal FTP server for the appcat Sep 17 17:04:34 do it!! :) Sep 17 17:11:03 PatrickC: first the clients Sep 17 17:28:46 hum thinking about it i should probbly of asked in here first Sep 17 17:29:07 is there some app / methord for setting bluetooth name? Sep 17 17:29:32 i have juse been diging around about BluetoothMonitor Sep 17 17:29:40 not user i like it much Sep 17 17:29:50 user/sure Sep 17 17:30:25 of course it might help if i could find a man page Sep 17 17:30:42 so far i can only work out it sets the bt name from the hostname Sep 17 17:30:56 as it does a uname on start up Sep 17 17:34:10 RichT23, if you find out let me know because the GPS apps need the device named something specific Sep 17 17:35:12 RichT23, ka6sox: change the device name in Device Info Sep 17 17:37:50 Device Info as in change the name of the TP? Sep 17 17:38:27 as in the Device Info app Sep 17 17:38:28 yes Sep 17 17:38:31 that's what I did Sep 17 17:38:40 and it seemed to change the BT name Sep 17 17:38:42 how does that let me rename the BT devices? Sep 17 17:39:08 arr ya becouse the bt app uses the hostname as its id Sep 17 17:39:24 i guess device name / hostname are the same then Sep 17 17:39:59 for the master yes, but I need to rename a device so that the GPS app will recognize it as a GPS device and use it. Sep 17 17:40:09 you know that was just far to easy for me to think of it ! Sep 17 17:40:19 *device* not TP. Sep 17 17:41:48 ka6sox: im lost whith what you are saying, you need to change the local bluetooth name so a GPS will reconice it as a gps device? Sep 17 17:42:02 no Sep 17 17:42:36 the GPS apps look for a device name of the GPS to have GPS in it. Sep 17 17:42:46 "blahGPSblah" Sep 17 17:43:20 so I need to rename the /dev/"whatever the name if the BT gps is" to include GPS in its name. Sep 17 17:43:30 just noticed that somehow the optware feeds were disabled - that's why the sftp package didn't show up Sep 17 17:43:45 disabled? Sep 17 17:43:57 in your preware...right Sep 17 17:43:58 nm Sep 17 17:44:03 okay I gotta jet. Sep 17 17:44:05 laters Sep 17 17:45:38 ya ka6sox Sep 17 17:45:56 i think you could only play the the device ID files Sep 17 17:46:03 oh and minor problem Sep 17 17:46:16 if you crash a veer how do you turn it off! Sep 17 17:46:31 with the pixi id just pull the battery! Sep 17 17:50:39 Sorry if this is a stupid mistake, but I just installed Xecutah, I started XServer, then when I tried to start XTerm, I got a huge wall-of-text that I assume is an error; it mentions process IDs and such. Sep 17 17:51:36 Oh joy power + rinder slide sorted my restart! Sep 17 17:52:07 Eearslya: is that not the help page? Sep 17 17:52:42 ? Sep 17 17:53:45 Eearslya: "screenshots or it didn't happen" ;P Sep 17 17:54:17 How am I supposed to upload them from my pre? Sep 17 17:55:05 facebook, photobucket, usb cable, whatever :P (assuming you have no FTP client :D) Sep 17 17:56:36 an error in Xecutah or in XServer? Sep 17 17:58:02 Xecutah. I have XServer open in another card with nothing but a mouse, then I tap XTerm and a huge error comes up that takes up the entire screen. Sep 17 17:59:12 Eearslya: thats the help page Sep 17 17:59:36 RichT23: I'm not sure, could be an err msg too Sep 17 17:59:37 oh wait Sep 17 17:59:51 have not seen a help screen when starting xterm yet Sep 17 17:59:54 ya the errors in the Xecutah. window Sep 17 18:00:36 i should stfu as im not really paying attension, but the dishes do call Sep 17 18:00:38 org.webosinternals.xterm (start) post-start, (main) process 14791 (260534/513324277) Sep 17 18:00:47 And that's just one line of it. Sep 17 18:23:06 Hey guys… question here Sep 17 18:23:35 Is it possible to run a shell command from within a webOS application? Sep 17 18:44:04 Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Sep 17 18:47:07 Bueller? Sep 17 18:59:32 Bueller… Ferris Bueller's Day Off…. Sep 17 18:59:42 The monotone economic teacher... Sep 17 18:59:45 *sigh* Sep 17 19:38:48 trsohmers: xterm? Sep 17 19:39:27 DiStaula: No… is there a way I can run shell commands within my own application Sep 17 19:44:13 Hey all Sep 17 19:44:58 I'm having a hard time locating Ubuntu 11.04 on the WebOS internals... any ideas ? Sep 17 19:54:59 Ohh I see Sep 17 20:00:20 New version of F15C, Govnah has lost all cpu control, won't set frequencies or anything. Sep 17 20:00:30 I assume it's part of the latest build of the F15c Sep 17 20:13:18 so no more ubuntu 11.04 ? Sep 17 20:14:53 epitek: Did you have any issues getting XTerm running? Sep 17 20:36:29 wifi from touchpad sux a little Sep 17 20:36:32 i connect a network that require an http log/pass Sep 17 20:36:35 and most of the time touchpad fail to get ip before http Sep 17 20:37:33 Oh, speaking of wi-fi..My pre can no longer connect to any wi-fi more than 20 or so feet away. Is that an unfixable hardware issue or..? Sep 17 20:37:45 yeah i have captive portal problems myself, won't let me login because it says it's not connected to the internet.. Well Duh, i need to login first. Sounds hardware, check your antenna wires Sep 17 20:38:13 On my pre m-, the connector popped loose once Sep 17 20:38:13 Which are where? Sep 17 20:38:47 i can't remever which one or the wlan but it's below the battery under the metal cover. Generally if that metal cover has never been touched then you should be fine Sep 17 20:39:58 Ah. Sep 17 20:40:48 i did get a refurb pre from sprint once that the wifi wouldn't find any networks, even when placed ontop of the router Sep 17 20:41:14 just ordered a case and touchstone for the touchpad! Im stoked haha Sep 17 20:43:47 hi again. anyone here using wirc from the app catalog? Sep 17 20:52:40 the wifi thing is strange Sep 17 20:53:02 my android or debian connect like charms Sep 17 20:53:46 touhcpad show the network with full icon Sep 17 20:54:04 and it says fail to get ip Sep 17 20:54:26 sometimes it work Sep 17 20:57:26 also : since i installed ubuntu chroot, i can't go to market / accounts Sep 17 21:09:41 Hello everyone Sep 17 21:16:56 hello? Sep 17 21:17:35 I'm trying to figure out how to install a tether program on my unlocked palm pre 2... can anyone help? Sep 17 21:18:35 anyone? Sep 17 21:18:53 I'm a newbie Sep 17 21:18:55 Guest40984: Have you got Preware installed? Sep 17 21:19:00 no Sep 17 21:19:11 not yet... how do I do that? Sep 17 21:19:19 oops, wrong guest there Sep 17 21:19:48 Guest52154: http://preware.org/ Sep 17 21:20:01 Guest52154: look if there's "mobile hotspot" for you in the app catalog Sep 17 21:20:18 no mobile hotspot in the app caltalogue... I'm on Bell Sep 17 21:20:33 I'm on preware.org but I don't see a download link Sep 17 21:21:00 e. g. get.preware.org Sep 17 21:21:53 Guest52154: Yeah, I just realised it just says to get Preware Homebrew Docs. get.preware.org is where to go, as pcworld said Sep 17 21:22:10 or download webOS Quick Install, may be more reliable or easier Sep 17 21:22:15 do I have to have my phone in DEV mode? Sep 17 21:22:21 yes Sep 17 21:23:12 ty Sep 17 21:24:07 Popple3: rwhitby is apparently assuming everyone has access to the paid app catalog... Sep 17 21:24:41 although he is one of the biggest enemies of geo-restrictons Sep 17 21:24:45 pcworld: indeed Sep 17 21:24:58 isn't Bell Canada one of the paid app catalog carriers? :p Sep 17 21:26:49 SineOt: not everybody wants to pay money ;) Sep 17 21:27:05 it's a buck… :p Sep 17 21:27:29 Bell has an app catalogue but MHS isn't listed.. Sep 17 21:27:58 when I first set my phone up I had to enter my APN manually... I put inet.bell.ca and the mobile hotspot showed up but it didn't work.. Sep 17 21:28:09 I'd think people are more likely to buy the Preware docs _after_ sorting homebrew Sep 17 21:28:25 Guest52154: We're talking about Preware Homebrew Documentation on the paid app catalog Sep 17 21:28:36 Popple3: Guest52154: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Sep 17 21:28:40 oh ... sorry.. yes. It's there Sep 17 21:28:46 I know I bought the Preware docs after sorting out awesome homebrew stuff Sep 17 21:28:59 but it's paid and my credit card isn't working... lol Sep 17 21:29:17 Guest52154: Well, the link from pcworld has all you need really Sep 17 21:30:48 should preware show up on my phone after I install it? Sep 17 21:31:01 it said it was installed but I don't see it... Sep 17 21:31:49 Guest52154: Did you follow the steps on the wiki link above? Sep 17 21:32:22 Quick Install is probably the best method for newbies Sep 17 21:36:26 I'd argue and say that the nova term command line is the easiest though… Copy paste three lines and you're done Sep 17 21:37:18 SineOt: Command line scares some people :P Sep 17 21:37:32 And you have to install drivers. Sep 17 21:37:32 yeah but copy paste is all you need to do Sep 17 21:37:38 QuickInstall does that for you. Sep 17 21:37:42 Don't forget that. Sep 17 21:37:56 Oh, didn't realize it did. That's cool Sep 17 21:40:40 nice... thank you Sep 17 21:41:12 SineOt: At least it did for me on OS X. Sep 17 22:17:43 Hello Sep 17 22:18:30 I just installed preware and my app catalogue is gone... is that normal? Sep 17 22:19:08 Nope. Sep 17 22:21:03 any reason that should happen Sep 17 22:46:48 Guest40984, it shouldn't happen Sep 17 22:46:57 * Guest59660 Sep 17 23:14:36 anyone here familiar with freeTether? Sep 17 23:14:54 or is that a silly question? Sep 17 23:16:09 anyone? Sep 17 23:16:10 PuffTheMagic is the developer, so I'd say he is. Sep 17 23:16:20 lol... :) Sep 17 23:16:31 I just installed it and it's not working... Sep 17 23:16:43 I can toggle wifi but it won't start Sep 17 23:17:07 no green lights... nothing... am I doing something wrong? Sep 17 23:17:15 I've been checking forums and I don't see anything.. Sep 17 23:17:20 maybe I'm missing a driver?? Sep 17 23:21:07 if a driver was missing there would be something very horrible wrong with your phone Sep 17 23:21:39 I had it working but my app catalogue was missing... so I did a full erase and installed it again... now it's not working Sep 17 23:21:45 thanks though.. Sep 17 23:21:52 I'm a newbie... Sep 17 23:22:42 that's okay :) everyone is at some point Sep 17 23:23:43 any ideas? Sep 17 23:23:54 some extra information would be helpful. like phone, OS version, and how you did the erase Sep 17 23:24:30 Palm Pre 2 it's unlocked from Rogers and I'm on the Bell network... Sep 17 23:24:35 OS 2.1.0 Sep 17 23:25:04 and I did the erase by going into 'device info' and doing a 'full erase' Sep 17 23:26:04 I tried it both in Dev mode and in regular mode and restarted the phone both times I tried... Sep 17 23:26:37 That mostly just wipes your personal info and resets a few things. depending on what you had installed before (patches and stuff) and what broke for the app catalog to disappear... that method has a high risk of not fixing underlying issues Sep 17 23:27:26 at this point, I suggest Doctoring the phone. that way you know all the files on the phone are back to regular condition Sep 17 23:27:33 should I download WebOs Doctor? Sep 17 23:28:37 if you feel like you're running in circles, it's Doctor time Sep 17 23:32:32 we'll see how that goes... thanks. Sep 18 00:05:36 did psx4pre or vboy advance ever get released/updated for the touchpad? Sep 18 00:05:44 looking for some decent emus Sep 18 00:11:20 hey guys Sep 18 00:12:11 where can i get the preware 1.8.3 ipk? Sep 18 00:13:21 in the old testing feed and the new beta feed Sep 18 00:14:00 right Sep 18 00:14:10 but following the directions/// Sep 18 00:14:18 your supposed to remove it. Sep 18 00:14:22 then install the new one. Sep 18 00:14:38 i must have missed the part where you GET the new one Sep 18 00:14:44 Dr_Drache: where do the instructions say to remove the old feeds? Sep 18 00:15:02 To enable the beta testing feeds, you must do the following: Sep 18 00:15:03 1. Uninstall Preware. Yes, seriously. You must uninstall Preware. Sep 18 00:15:16 then Sep 18 00:15:16 3. Install Preware 1.8.3 or later. Sep 18 00:15:37 yep, install any Preware then update Sep 18 00:15:50 your old testing feeds should still be in place until you update Sep 18 00:16:07 once the beta testing of the transition is complete, 1.8.3 will be in the public feeds Sep 18 00:16:58 .....ok makes no sense. but got it Sep 18 00:23:32 rwhitby: are these catalog breaks real? Sep 18 00:30:37 Hello Guys Sep 18 00:55:35 Sorry ask but can i get some help with Meta-doctor Sep 18 00:56:44 ~asktoask Sep 18 00:56:44 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Sep 18 00:56:48 ~ask Sep 18 00:56:49 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Sep 18 00:56:57 Hmm, neither fit perfectly Sep 18 00:57:09 the second is a little more appropriate. Sep 18 00:57:49 Once i have got meta-doctor install on my Mac, How do i EXT3FS_PARTITION_SIZE Sep 18 00:57:51 Sorry to ask Sep 18 00:57:58 I'm in Terminal Sep 18 00:58:02 iMac:downloads Sonny$ Sep 18 00:58:29 I suggest you read the wiki article, twice. Sep 18 00:58:38 I have like 4 links open for it Sep 18 00:58:39 I missed things the first time myself. Sep 18 00:58:44 I'm up to this bit Sep 18 00:58:45 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Chrooting Sep 18 00:58:56 the meta doctor one Sep 18 00:59:12 Yeah, So i can install ubuntu Sep 18 00:59:48 I'm up to Step 2: Running the webOS Doctor Sep 18 01:00:38 I have the webosdoctorp302hstnhwifi.jar Sep 18 01:12:21 rwhitby: people are saying this is 404ing http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 18 01:12:28 I'm sure I used that to download Sep 18 01:12:55 yep, 404's here too Sep 18 01:13:13 need to find another mirror. have Mentor fixed theirs yet? Sep 18 01:13:25 I though this was your site Sep 18 01:13:32 I"ll check Sep 18 01:13:56 do you have the q3 link Sep 18 01:14:40 it's fixed on their site Sep 18 01:14:45 I'll change my wiki Sep 18 01:15:33 tmzt: what are the working mentor links? Sep 18 01:16:23 https://sourcery.mentor.com/public/gnu_toolchain/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/arm-2009q1-203-arm-none-linux-gnueabi-i686-pc-linux-gnu.tar.bz2 Sep 18 01:16:27 looks like public works Sep 18 01:16:31 but they moved it to http Sep 18 01:16:32 https Sep 18 01:17:28 I'm loving github wiki by the way Sep 18 01:17:35 I hate editing pages in a browser Sep 18 01:17:52 this one let's you edit offline and git push it Sep 18 01:38:51 I tried the new preware testing feed approach with 1.8.3. I followed instructions: remove preware, touch the beta feed file, insteall preware (I downloaded the ipk and used webosqi to load 1.8.3)then enabled the feeds and even restarted. Now I see no available packages at all. Am I missing something? Sep 18 01:40:00 jtrucks: did you update feeds? Sep 18 01:40:26 jtrucks: and do you have a working network connection? Sep 18 01:42:27 hmm...the instructions on the Testing_Feeds article conflict with the license do they not? Sep 18 01:42:48 rwhitby: yes, I updated feeds and the network definately is working. Sep 18 01:42:48 Loudergood: serious question or being a smartass? Sep 18 01:43:10 no, it's a serious question. Sep 18 01:43:56 Loudergood: tell me how to change the mediawiki license footer on a per-page basis and i'll fix it Sep 18 01:44:09 understandable Sep 18 01:44:16 so, here's the strange thing. I had to walk away fron the tablet for a couple hours, and I just reopened preware and this time it updated the feeds. 'll blame it on network glitch and apologize for taking time in here. Sep 18 01:44:32 jtrucks: no worries. everything else working? Sep 18 01:45:10 Loudergood: and if anyone seriously does take issue with the conditions on that page, we'll just close the testing feeds altogether :) Sep 18 01:45:13 rwhitby: it seems to be so far. Sep 18 01:48:08 does the *.23 version of the Muffle System Logging patch fix the cache file problem? Sep 18 01:48:29 if so, can just update a (.22 system to the .23 and not worry about it breaking? Sep 18 01:52:08 rwhitby: if I want to enable the alpha feeds, do I touch the file and re-install preware or is there a way to do that without a full reinstall of preware? Sep 18 01:57:17 jtrucks: should have touched it first before reinstalling :) And your question is answered in the Q&A section. Sep 18 01:57:52 jtrucks: the .23 version does not cause the cache file problem. use EFW to fix the problem if you already have it. Sep 18 02:00:08 rwhitby: I know I should have touched it first... I was troubleshooting earlier to figure out why it wouldn't update and removed both files and just did the beta one for testing.. oh well. Sep 18 02:00:28 I wrote a script to fix the cache stuff I just run when have a problem. Sep 18 02:01:03 jtrucks: why are you using the alpha feeds? Sep 18 02:02:01 rwhitby: I don't know what is in them, and I don't mind pushing the envelope, so I want to see my options :) Sep 18 02:02:13 the beta feeds have very little (that I don't already have installed) Sep 18 02:03:14 this is my primary computer outside work. Sep 18 02:03:25 so I want to push it and see what I can get it to do :) Sep 18 02:03:49 I wish I wasn't a horrid or useless programmer, or I'd help with the code. Sep 18 02:07:56 does anyone know where the messages/IM conversation transcripts are stored on the drive? Sep 18 02:16:56 100% on phone upgrade from testing to beta feeds was successful Sep 18 02:24:55 jtrucks: you realise that an alpha feed package will likely cause your device to require doctoring at any time, right? Sep 18 02:25:21 (of course you do, you've read testing.preware.org carefully) Sep 18 02:27:12 rwhitby: oh yeah. :) Sep 18 02:35:13 now to find those chat transcripts... Sep 18 02:35:43 hmm... can only run one xserver at a time, right? Sep 18 02:35:53 is there a way to switch between xterms? Sep 18 02:35:57 or not yet? Sep 18 02:38:57 Impostah will show you the IM databases Sep 18 02:39:20 someone is working on multi-server support in Xecutah Sep 18 02:39:43 oh, cool, I didn't realize that's what Impostah was for. thanks! Sep 18 02:39:59 Impostah does lots of things. Sep 18 02:40:38 there are sooo many options now in the homebrew feeds. Sep 18 02:40:39 :) Sep 18 02:42:18 oh. this is a nice application. Sep 18 02:49:48 has anyone gotten CTRL-[ to work for escape in xterm? it seems to ignore me here ... :( Sep 18 02:50:07 hmm... Sep 18 02:50:14 * jtrucks has an idea and goes to check stuff Sep 18 02:51:46 nope. I was wrong. Sep 18 02:52:19 so it sorta works, but something else doesn't work right... what's the best way to produce debugging information to submit for situations like this? Sep 18 02:55:01 hrm, having an issue with xecutah where keyboard in xterm is dying Sep 18 02:55:05 and this is with the HP keyboard Sep 18 02:56:48 so, CTRL-SHIFT-{ acts as escape, but then CTRL or SHIFT gets stuck on it seems... Sep 18 02:58:51 hi all Sep 18 02:58:54 any way to fix it? Sep 18 02:59:02 or undo the damage so I don't need to restart it Sep 18 02:59:18 oh, ctrl-shift-{ fixed it Sep 18 02:59:22 yay **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Sep 18 02:59:57 2011