**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 18 02:59:57 2011 Sep 18 03:08:21 yeah, so need to use shift with ctrl key on occasion it seems. Sep 18 03:08:28 how odd.. but I'll take a workaround for now :) Sep 18 04:41:41 gotta love that AT&T Pre3 going for $620 easy Sep 18 04:41:48 and with 4 days left! Sep 18 04:58:24 Are webOS Internals buying Pre3s from the web or getting them from sites like carwarehouse or what not Sep 18 04:59:16 i think the majority are from countries where they were actually sold Sep 18 05:00:23 can you install a package from novacom? Sep 18 05:01:11 novaterm* Sep 18 05:39:53 where are all these people getting their hands on the white tp from? Sep 18 05:40:05 does precomd work at all? Sep 18 05:40:05 i wish there was a 64gig black. Sep 18 05:40:16 is there a client Sep 18 05:40:31 Jack87, I heard of someone ordering one right at the time the big cancellation happened and it actually got delivered Sep 18 05:41:07 RagingMind, any idea of what the discounted price for it was? Sep 18 05:41:26 does anyone want an AZERTY pre3 for $350 (incl. shipping)? think i might have found a way to get a QWERTY one but want to see if i can sell the AZERTY one on its way to me first :\ Sep 18 05:42:06 do all white ones have a 3g/4g radio? Sep 18 05:42:22 Jack87, they may have ordered it before the news broke so it was probably full price, I didn't follow up to see if there was ever a discount Sep 18 05:43:05 what was the price anyway? $600? Sep 18 05:43:05 I want a pre3 super bad... but it'll have to wait till I'm less poor Sep 18 05:44:59 RagingMind, im in the same boat Sep 18 05:45:26 also... i cant really use it as a phone as i am not willing to leave sprint. as much as i love webos.. ill live with a pre2 for now Sep 18 05:45:49 I really couldn't afford the TP even at $99, but I'm kinda sorta making that work... Sep 18 05:46:18 RagingMind, sucks being poor. oneday i strive to be rich :) Sep 18 05:47:10 with the recent changes to Verizon stores (the lack of the reps ability to really help me with anything other than purchasing a phone) and lack of a good webOS upgrade option... I have a feeling come April I"ll be switching to ATT Sep 18 05:47:58 they couldn't even switch my BF's phone! they pointed me to the kiosk in the corner and asked if I knew the password to my online account Sep 18 05:49:15 so... i think touch to share works via the hardware telling it to send the data via bt Sep 18 05:49:32 the hardware in the devices that support tts is only a triger the rest done via bluetooth Sep 18 05:49:40 at least that is what im thinking Sep 18 05:49:43 I know you have to have the same palm account on both devices Sep 18 05:50:04 RagingMind, nah you dont... i have two different palm accounts on two different touchpads and they tts Sep 18 05:50:06 well... does touch to share work without bluetooth pairing? Sep 18 05:50:20 RagingMind, nope it requires bluetooth pairing Sep 18 05:50:31 between touchpads too? Sep 18 05:50:34 and it trigers you to turn bluetooth on on the devices than they get instantly paired Sep 18 05:50:42 yup Sep 18 05:50:45 so..... Sep 18 05:50:48 i was thinking... lol Sep 18 05:50:55 we tried between my TP and my BF's and nothing ever happened Sep 18 05:51:16 there has to be a way to manually trigger the "reciving" device and the "sending" device.. actually they recive/send at same time Sep 18 05:51:38 does it matter if one is in card mode? Sep 18 05:52:07 like i had a browser open in each... when i touched the two touchpads together a new card opened in each one with the subsequent browser's website Sep 18 05:52:38 so there has to be some way to manually triger touch to share.. and it be sweet to throw it into the system menu drop down list Sep 18 05:52:51 RagingMind, no as long as one of them has an active card Sep 18 05:53:01 even if it doesnt do anything it will show you the ripple effect Sep 18 05:53:18 so maybe you just didnt quit align the two TPs right Sep 18 05:55:11 ka6sox, ^ i am kind of talking out of my ass "in theory" but what do you think... sound maybe doable? Sep 18 05:55:13 you're right... all I had to do was turn on BT on his TP and poof! it works Sep 18 05:55:23 RagingMind, kind of cool huh Sep 18 05:55:52 that'll make things a lot easier... we kept having to sign on to IM to share links Sep 18 05:56:05 lol Sep 18 05:56:11 fun stuff Sep 18 05:56:16 im glad to see it being utilized Sep 18 05:56:58 ka6sox, ya do you think it would be possible to triger the touch to share request without the coil? seems like all the data is transfered via BT has nothing to do with the coil. Sep 18 05:57:16 coil just triggers it? (thats me just speculating i dont know for a fact but thats what it seems like to me Sep 18 05:57:47 but if it can be manually tirggered it also means you dont need to physically touch the devices together either Sep 18 05:58:01 if the hardware isn't there...it isn't going to happen. Sep 18 05:58:50 ka6sox, are you sure? it seems like it only uses BT... the hardware (coil for tts) just seems to be a tirgger mechenism Sep 18 05:59:28 so you are saying "manually trigger Sep 18 05:59:31 interesting Sep 18 05:59:31 which kinda makes sense. why design a coil to transmit info when you already have ways to do that? Sep 18 05:59:39 ka6sox, exactly. Sep 18 06:00:00 instead the coil would just do something that bluetooth can't to reliably... detect very close proximity Sep 18 06:00:04 RagingMind, yup... and as you can see the info is all being transmited via bluetooth Sep 18 06:00:10 Jack87, you would have to find the trigger Sep 18 06:00:54 ka6sox, hehe yes. i need to find someone who is willing to help me because i have no idea what i would be doing. but i can just imagine adding a system menu option to triger tts Sep 18 06:01:05 ya know.. as a patch Sep 18 06:01:40 then sharing links across the living room... no need to get up :) Sep 18 06:01:51 RagingMind, hehe yup! Sep 18 06:01:55 also sharing via pre2 Sep 18 06:02:16 only if you get a version of webos that supports it running reliably on a pre2 Sep 18 06:03:56 RagingMind, yes.. they did promise for future webos updates for pre2 so im keeping my fingers crossed Sep 18 06:06:15 coil transmits authentication info to allow bluetooth connection Sep 18 06:14:21 rwhitby-tp, can we manually do that? Sep 18 06:14:40 once the devices are manually paired... wouldnt it be all set/ Sep 18 06:15:24 possibly. watch ls-monitor during a tts event and try to replicate it with luna-send Sep 18 06:16:32 ^ like i said i dont have the experties to do this my self. ill need someone to point me on how to use ls-monitor Sep 18 06:17:09 ls-monitor | grep for the thing you want Sep 18 06:17:22 rwhitby-tp, seriusly it all seems like everything is done via software. all the coil does is triger the events that take place (all speculation from my observation) so if we can replicate whatever "triger" the coil uses we should be golden Sep 18 06:18:00 if its the BT id info of the opposite unit then it could get challenging Sep 18 06:18:33 ka6sox, but you can always manually pair the other unit (my pre2 is already paired with touchpad) Sep 18 06:19:23 ka6sox, TTS reduces the work it takes into pairing. it pops open the BT menue for you :)... Sep 18 06:19:42 kk Sep 18 06:19:43 ahh shit my other TP is in the car. whcih is too far to go get Sep 18 06:19:58 i was about to grep Sep 18 06:20:24 okay, tommorrow Sep 18 06:20:33 uh huh! Sep 18 06:20:51 haha i better get to homework. i just wanted to dump my thoughts out here Sep 18 06:21:15 sometimes shit gets lost in my mind in the deep corners Sep 18 07:07:15 hello Sep 18 07:07:22 Hi Sep 18 07:27:59 ~~ Sep 18 07:28:35 could've sworn infobot responded to that Sep 18 07:28:36 ~~~ Sep 18 07:28:40 ~infobot Sep 18 07:28:40 i heard infobot is a her! Sep 18 07:29:11 ~~? Sep 18 07:29:21 ~? Sep 18 07:29:33 oh honestly i just thought infobot got grumpy if you did ~~ Sep 18 07:29:35 lol Sep 18 07:29:37 ~beer Sep 18 07:29:38 * infobot has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) Sep 18 07:29:43 infobot: ~~ Sep 18 07:29:53 ~. Sep 18 07:29:54 methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. Sep 18 07:30:01 haha Sep 18 07:30:02 * dwc- whistles Sep 18 07:30:09 ~~~~ Sep 18 07:30:09 ARGH!!! STOP IT dtzwill!!! Sep 18 07:30:12 xD Sep 18 07:30:13 there it goes Sep 18 07:30:19 nice Sep 18 07:30:22 ~botsnack Sep 18 07:30:22 thanks, dtzWill Sep 18 07:30:54 dtzWill: know anything about building a menu out of setpos and clear? Sep 18 07:32:31 hmm, that curses stuff? done stuff with that before, but not lately and was for a one-off project. so the common documentation would probably be as helpful as i would be, i'm afraid. Sep 18 07:32:58 so "no" i guess :/ Sep 18 07:38:41 ah ,ok Sep 18 07:38:50 yes curses but thankfully without curses Sep 18 07:39:01 just a few convience functions talking to our putc driver Sep 18 07:45:20 dtzWill: I was hoping you could maybe point me in the right direction for getting UTF-8 working in XTerm Sep 18 07:49:13 xterm is nothing special right? Sep 18 07:49:16 just use uxterm? Sep 18 07:58:17 uxterm is just an xterm wrapper Sep 18 08:08:35 ah, ok Sep 18 09:04:09 lalala Sep 18 09:21:05 lololo Sep 18 09:34:21 Anyone want to trade a iPhone 2G for a Veer 4G Sep 18 09:58:55 ~~~~ Sep 18 09:58:55 ARGH!!! STOP IT cryptk!!! Sep 18 09:59:01 dtzWill, ^^^ Sep 18 09:59:06 gotta have 4 of them Sep 18 09:59:30 oh, you already figured it out... lol Sep 18 10:56:23 is there an easy way to get the app-ids on webos 3 without commandline? Sep 18 11:04:26 Hi Sep 18 11:04:33 If I activate my Pre 3 in an unsupported country, will I get access to the App Catalog? Sep 18 11:17:06 If I activate my Pre 3 in an unsupported country, will I get access to the App Catalog? Sep 18 11:17:24 no need to repeat so often, amish Sep 18 11:17:30 sorry Sep 18 11:17:56 I did it 12 minutes later though Sep 18 11:19:40 @habbie so you don't know? Sep 18 11:20:09 I don't understand what you mean. Sep 18 11:20:44 Say I activate my Pre 3 in a country that doesn't have an App Catolog, will I get access to the Catalog? Sep 18 11:20:55 Free apps? Sep 18 11:20:56 Yes. Sep 18 11:20:58 Paid? Sep 18 11:21:03 Depends where you live. Sep 18 11:21:08 But probably no. Sep 18 11:22:14 Do I get to choose an country's app catalog, if one is not available in mine? Sep 18 11:22:21 I believe so. Sep 18 11:22:34 If I choose US, do I need a US credit card? Sep 18 11:22:36 During first boot/settig up webOS account I think. Sep 18 11:22:46 US or Canadian or Mexican I think. Sep 18 11:22:52 amish: Where do you live Sep 18 11:22:53 ? Sep 18 11:22:59 Thailand Sep 18 11:23:06 Ah. Sep 18 11:23:17 Then you're shit out of luck with paid apps. Sep 18 11:23:17 One more thing, are the Pre 3s locked in anyway? Sep 18 11:24:04 If I get an unlocked UK one, do I need to activate it with a UK sim? Sep 18 11:30:48 Are there any App Catalogue that allows other credit cards? Sep 18 11:33:30 yes, you need to activate the device in UK then and nope, there is only one app catalog with paid apps - the official hp app catalog Sep 18 11:34:29 There is no way to activate outside the UK? Even if the Pre 3 is unlocked? Sep 18 11:35:31 amish: did you make the mistake of unlocking your phone outside an "official" country? :P Sep 18 11:35:34 (like I did) Sep 18 11:35:51 not yet Sep 18 11:35:54 Well, it works but no paid apps Sep 18 11:36:07 hucksy|tp: I'm currently overworking the German testing feeds article, so would be nice if you didn't make any changes till I'm ready to avoid editing conflicts ;) Sep 18 11:36:13 Do I need a UK sim to activate? Sep 18 11:36:15 He won't have paid apps anyway. Sep 18 11:36:22 Oh and at least mine tells me I'm roaming even though I'm on my own operator's network Sep 18 11:36:30 amish: no, not unless you want the paid apps and stuff Sep 18 11:36:56 amish: Unless you have US/European CC. Sep 18 11:36:58 pcworld: yep no problem :) Sep 18 11:37:03 Which I think you don't? Sep 18 11:37:20 nope Sep 18 11:37:27 Yeah. Sep 18 11:37:31 So I can activate anywhere but I won't get paid apps Sep 18 11:37:38 Then unless you can get one, no paid apps anyway. Sep 18 11:38:07 That last message was confusing Sep 18 11:38:56 there is free apps everywhere, right? Sep 18 11:39:02 are* Sep 18 11:39:38 Yup. Sep 18 11:39:47 At least that how it works on my Touchpad. Sep 18 11:40:20 Why does HP have to make it soo hard.. Sep 18 11:41:16 Can I activate it without creating a Palm Profile? Sep 18 11:41:26 Free apps can be country limited as well though Sep 18 11:41:48 Some of them don't show up in the app catalog for me, but they can be installed via Impostah Sep 18 11:42:10 Say if my friend puts in an at t sim in the US and activates it there, can I make a profile later outside of the US? Sep 18 11:45:33 What credit cards does the Singapore App Catalog allow? Sep 18 11:45:54 are there any App Catalogs that allow card other than their own? Sep 18 12:13:23 hucksy|tp: just fyi, I'm done with editing the German testing feeds article Sep 18 12:14:32 k, tnx Sep 18 12:46:15 Hi, you are planning something for the development of a virtual keyboard in webOS 2.x? Sep 18 13:26:10 does anyone know where i can find the google maps application on the pre 2 file system? Sep 18 13:29:44 luwangui: /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.maps Sep 18 13:36:05 yeah i just found it Sep 18 13:36:12 won't work on the pre 3 tho :/ Sep 18 13:36:20 tried packing it as an ipk Sep 18 13:38:20 what exactly doesn' work? Sep 18 13:38:35 can't find the app Sep 18 13:44:31 has the Enyo app the same app id or why? Sep 18 13:46:59 ehm i'm not sure Sep 18 13:47:16 i'm trying to get the old google maps to work on the pre 3 Sep 18 13:59:14 luwangui, how did you package it as an ipk? Sep 18 15:19:47 hi,I'm having trouble locating ubuntuchroot in preware,it doesn't seem to be there...anyone got any idea as to how I can get it? Sep 18 15:26:49 red__, did you already set up the extra ext3 partition that's needed to install it? Sep 18 16:56:54 Preware on TouchPad hold-to-copy doesn't work. Bug or feature request? Sep 18 17:01:03 Last 5+h on battery5 Sep 18 17:01:05 er Sep 18 17:01:07 sorry. Sep 18 17:22:04 hi need help with preware cannot install advance reset option Sep 18 18:37:53 Preware on TouchPad hold-to-copy doesn't work. Bug or feature request? Sep 18 18:51:59 lordbah, no need to repeat. pretty much everyone that hangs around in here will read through the backlogs Sep 18 19:28:00 Working on benchmarking all the kernels again but with lithium benchmark :D Sep 18 20:05:12 hold-to-copy as in..? Sep 18 20:05:17 (what text are you copying? Sep 18 20:05:18 ) Sep 18 20:12:49 anyone know how to get a touchpad out of DFU mode? Sep 18 20:20:58 DFU.. lol.. Hold power and the home button for 30 seconds, should force it to reboot Sep 18 20:21:15 looks like it but my pc woulnd't even recognize it when it did that Sep 18 20:24:45 power-home gets it out of RECOVERY mode, not DFU mode apparently Sep 18 20:29:38 Are you talking about when it has the usb icon the screen? Sep 18 20:36:39 no, no usb icon, prob. nobody here has been DFU mode, it's not recovery mode, not QDL, but DFU .. Sep 18 20:37:21 Im only familar with DFU mode on my ipod touch, never heard of it being referenced in that way for webOS devices Sep 18 20:37:22 try to novaterm in, then just type reboot Sep 18 21:05:39 cheap accessories at shopping.hp using coupon SAVE30HP Sep 18 21:18:53 robobot[0]: only on $150 of stuff, though :( Sep 18 21:18:59 no touchstone for me! Sep 18 21:19:51 it works if the pre-discount total is $150 i think Sep 18 21:22:01 yeah Sep 18 21:22:10 but i only wanted $50 of a touchstone :p Sep 18 21:22:46 although this is good enough: http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=13006321&cm_mmc=Base-_-13006321-_-New-_-SN-135&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=13006321 Sep 18 21:23:20 or, not, because they don't seem to actually have any. :( Sep 18 21:23:39 i bought a touchstone on amazon yesterday for $48 i think Sep 18 21:24:14 * rwhitby wonders why nobody pointed amish to Impostah for activating outside an official country, and to usunlocked.com for a credit card to purchase apps ... Sep 18 21:29:12 hi Sep 18 21:39:12 Yo Sep 18 21:40:23 whats up Sep 18 21:50:30 rwhitby: probably for the same reason you didn't. nobody who was active knew? Sep 18 22:01:10 dwc-: guess I need to sack my PR manager for Impostah then ;) Sep 18 22:03:37 Eh? Sep 18 22:03:58 maybe you can hire clippy... I hear he still hasnt' gotten a new job since microsoft canned him Sep 18 22:14:58 Looks like Warthog has the fastest performing kernel @ 1.728GHz, 1.512GHz Sep 18 22:15:41 or excuse me.. Codecrumb's warthog kernel.. :) Sep 18 22:30:26 helloo Sep 18 22:31:21 any devs familiar with the linuxy side of webos on here..? i want to know about installing apps to teh root Sep 18 22:32:42 jamesb2147_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Sep 18 22:33:20 there are definitely some bugs in 3.0.2 *sigh* Sep 18 22:34:19 hi, what bugs are you seeing? Sep 18 22:35:28 I missed... my complaint wound up in #webos-internals and the description wound up in #webos. oops Sep 18 22:35:36 Just Type eats URLs Sep 18 22:36:03 oh, I've noticed that my touchpad is a little less responsive, but I wondered if it was software I added. Sep 18 22:41:43 rwhitby: we talking about the same thing? skimming that link i don't see anything immediately relevant to installing an app in the root on a 2.1.0 device... :( do i just need to keep reading? Sep 18 22:43:28 jamesb2147_, what kind of app? this something you already have building and packaged? Sep 18 22:44:08 alright, i don't want to get anyone upset, but i'm trying to get minidm up and working. /me runs for cover Sep 18 22:45:03 a google search just shows a bunch of stuff about internet explorer Sep 18 22:50:32 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MiniDM Sep 18 22:51:39 AH Sep 18 22:52:02 copy the file to the device, make / rw, and use ipkg Sep 18 22:52:41 *make root file system rewritable Sep 18 22:55:17 Does anyone have any idea if that rumor of 50k ATT Pre3s is legitimate? Sep 18 22:56:02 We're seeing some ATT compatible Pre3s appearing on eBay at over $600. A bit steep for me but I really want one. Sep 18 22:57:07 http://s1108.photobucket.com/albums/h419/jamesb2147/?action=view¤t=webos.png Sep 18 22:57:36 basically i've been trying to use ipkg to install it all afternoon Sep 18 22:58:38 it keeps saying "cannot find package [insert name of minidm package here]" Sep 18 22:59:19 jamesb2147_, 1m Sep 18 23:00:14 of course :) i've gotta bail anyway. even robots need food! Sep 18 23:00:28 i'll leave myself on and check in when i get back Sep 18 23:02:11 jamesb2147_: leave off the -o for install to roo Sep 18 23:02:12 t Sep 18 23:02:19 and leave off the -dest always Sep 18 23:11:34 geist: you around? we found another weird thing in bootie, dfu mode Sep 18 23:17:14 hmm, what is it? Sep 18 23:17:23 i doubt i know, dfu on msm cpus is different Sep 18 23:19:38 http://pastebin.com/MyWHf4Wc Sep 18 23:20:04 oh, that's just DFU Sep 18 23:20:15 we're in #msm-bootloader working on a lk-based bootloader Sep 18 23:20:15 that's a standard protocol, you should be able to find any number of dfu loaders on the net Sep 18 23:20:22 it's not working Sep 18 23:20:29 the dfutool from openembedded Sep 18 23:20:43 yeah, we used to use that inside, though i had just added dfu support to cpuboot Sep 18 23:21:06 jcsullins: you here? Sep 18 23:21:20 yeah Sep 18 23:21:23 in the opensource.palm.com version? Sep 18 23:21:30 geist: apart from draining the battery, was there another way to reset the device from dfu mode without writing anything? Sep 18 23:21:32 well, i dont think it supported the full set of dfu, but just the simple jam it down and go Sep 18 23:21:43 rwhitby: 100% device specific Sep 18 23:21:50 i have no idea anything post pixie Sep 18 23:21:58 geist: thx Sep 18 23:22:00 ram or flash? Sep 18 23:22:11 if they didn't put in a reset, then that was just stupid Sep 18 23:22:22 try pushing all the buttons Sep 18 23:22:42 geist: on the pixie, did DFU write to flash or RAM ? Sep 18 23:22:50 ram 100% Sep 18 23:23:05 dfu mode was just a very simple loader, could squirts tuff into ram and go Sep 18 23:23:06 is it still imem at this stage Sep 18 23:23:09 early appsboot Sep 18 23:23:16 basically the idea was OMAP had a built in rom that you could break into Sep 18 23:23:17 geist: so should be able to DFU a bootie to recover something? Sep 18 23:23:26 yep, that's the idea Sep 18 23:23:38 since OMAP had a built in rom that let you squirt stuff into ram and go, and msm didn't Sep 18 23:23:43 I think the code providing the DFU is bootie, btw... Sep 18 23:23:54 jcsullins: yes i know, i wrote it Sep 18 23:24:07 oh, ok. you'd know then... :-) Sep 18 23:24:18 dfubootie was just another build variant of bootie, only had enough code to either load the next stage (real bootie) or go into dfu if it couldn't Sep 18 23:24:38 was only needed on msm cpus since they had no fall back rom based dfu mode like OMAP did Sep 18 23:24:38 so it woulnd't be on emmc? Sep 18 23:24:46 again, depends on the device Sep 18 23:24:53 on pixie it was sitting on the modem's flash Sep 18 23:25:02 geist: what was the magic key sequence to put pixie into DFU ? Sep 18 23:25:19 was chainbooted by the modem cpu into the arm11s cpu, then dfuboot bootie would load the real bootloader off of mmc Sep 18 23:25:23 apq it's got to be with the a6/q6 stuff then Sep 18 23:25:48 rwhitby: geez, probably button + some volup/down thing Sep 18 23:26:04 wait, no buttons on pixie... guess it was a power + volume up/down thing? Sep 18 23:26:33 that might be a good test of your dfu code. if you can break into a pixie and dfu boot a known working pixie bootie Sep 18 23:27:54 New kernel benchmarks are about to go live, looks like unix did some nice optimizations on his code since build 42, compared to build 61. ill post a link in a min Sep 18 23:35:01 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/295466-nbench-webosmark-benchmarking-kernel-fastest-comparison.html Sep 18 23:39:58 i made sure to link to testing.preware.org just for rwhitby : Sep 18 23:40:01 :P Sep 18 23:41:10 ghostinator: since the web-a-thon is over, perhaps replace that link with http://donate.webos-internals.org/ Sep 18 23:41:27 crazy diff @ 1.8 Sep 18 23:42:05 I just took it out, i was just about to ask ya for that Sep 18 23:43:06 added :D Sep 18 23:43:43 I wish i wasn't broke, i'd donate but until then i'll keep doing this stuff and working on guides for the wiki, etc Sep 18 23:44:47 ghostinator: what you are doing is much more valuable than cash, thanks. Sep 18 23:45:22 Only if i knew what i needed to have setup to compile kernels, then i'd help codecrumb out Sep 18 23:45:34 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Sep 18 23:45:49 duh! i just saw that earlier (I was drowning in excel with charts) Sep 18 23:45:50 haha Sep 18 23:46:14 lemme reboot into ubuntu Sep 18 23:51:30 jcsullins: what if we assume it has the same load address as bootie? Sep 18 23:51:50 (the bootie we know) Sep 18 23:51:55 perhaps... Sep 18 23:52:02 rwhitby: I'd still like the details about various tweaks in whatever kernels you know, if you could email them to me? Sep 18 23:52:04 which is? Sep 18 23:52:16 I Want to create a chart of kernel comparisons for the touchpad Sep 18 23:52:28 hmm Sep 18 23:52:41 I'm gonna try a couple of things... Sep 18 23:52:41 that's a good question:) Sep 18 23:53:30 what was that link again? Sep 18 23:53:40 nvm i found it Sep 18 23:53:42 when we do get this figured out wel'll document it on github.com/tmzt/msmb/wiki and webos wiki for touchpad recovery, but I don't think people are going to get in here other than intentionally writing to imem Sep 18 23:57:07 YES, YES, YES!!! Sep 18 23:57:21 got it? Sep 18 23:57:31 yes Sep 18 23:57:46 anything we can do to verify this is pre emmc or sdram? Sep 18 23:57:52 that would be really good to know Sep 18 23:58:02 ghostinator: it changes so often that you should look at the git repo Sep 18 23:58:35 rwhitby: duh, i don't know where my mind is today.. Thanks :) Sep 19 00:00:27 had a problem with making the toolchain Sep 19 00:01:06 well there are errors Sep 19 00:01:55 http://pastebin.com/FT7URfKj Sep 19 00:26:45 geist: oh yeah, the other thing I wanted to ask you, ext2.git should integrate into lk as lib/fs/ext2? I've almost got qualcomm's mmc_boot exposed as a bdev Sep 19 00:27:05 have to do subdevices next Sep 19 00:31:46 i guess the errors don't mean anything, built unix's f15c fine Sep 19 00:35:07 hi Sep 19 00:37:26 hi fudge! Sep 19 00:41:59 make toolchain fails on setting it up, following directions from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Sep 19 00:43:17 ;) Sep 19 00:45:15 ghostinator, ok, pastebin the error please Sep 19 00:45:36 http://pastebin.com/FT7URfKj Sep 19 00:45:38 and what distro/version of linux/mac are you using? Sep 19 00:45:47 ubuntu 10.10 Sep 19 00:46:31 you havent installed the wIDK prereqs Sep 19 00:46:42 i wsa just looking over them actualy Sep 19 00:46:47 i will do Sep 19 00:57:10 tmzt: yeah, that's almost exactly what i did in bootie Sep 19 00:57:32 tmzt: wait, it's already there Sep 19 01:18:54 geist: qualcomm stripped it out Sep 19 01:19:00 I can't find a git with it intact Sep 19 01:19:14 they seem to be using pre-lk aboot mmc_boot code Sep 19 01:19:51 we're getting closer to a bootloader solution though, one piece at a time Sep 19 01:27:37 ah yeah, okay Sep 19 01:27:48 yeah, they forked it a while back Sep 19 01:28:19 the bdev and fs stuff in lk is i think almost exactly the same as bootie Sep 19 01:34:16 ok installed the pre-reqs and still no dice Sep 19 01:34:28 same error Sep 19 01:35:11 install the req's not the complete pdk right? Sep 19 01:35:17 pre-reqs* Sep 19 01:36:07 let me check one more thing Sep 19 01:42:21 xar wasn't installed, let's try this one more time Sep 19 01:45:08 Ok if your TP won't run 1.944GHz, sticking it in a ziploc and freezing it will cool it enough to do so.. benchmarking in the freezer now haha Sep 19 01:45:39 practical Sep 19 01:47:40 most definately not, i just want to benchmark it and get some numbers Sep 19 01:48:03 make toolchain still fails after installing the pre-reqs Sep 19 01:49:07 same error as before Sep 19 01:51:16 We need to water cool the TP Sep 19 01:51:24 Whos game.. Sep 19 01:52:25 me Sep 19 01:52:28 =p Sep 19 01:53:02 LOL! First we need to get the CPU temp to show in govnah instead of battery Sep 19 01:53:09 currently my TP shows -5 C for battery temp Sep 19 01:53:31 I thought Govnah was cpu temp... Sep 19 01:53:39 not on the TP Sep 19 01:53:43 I Don't know why Sep 19 01:53:54 Oh i guess not Sep 19 01:54:31 Our only option is dry ice Sep 19 01:55:23 I was just telling my roomate that and he looked at me like i was insane Sep 19 01:55:45 Wanna get some TP publicity? There u go Sep 19 01:56:29 I already benchmark all the kernels Sep 19 01:56:39 maybe if i can snag another one incase things go haywire Sep 19 01:56:49 Good luck Sep 19 01:58:28 I guess there is current method for cpu temp on the tp Sep 19 01:58:57