**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 23 02:59:56 2011 Sep 23 03:02:23 i may need to memboot to fix it? Sep 23 03:02:40 is 12% on TP equivalent to 8% on phone/? Sep 23 03:09:22 Grrr Sep 23 03:11:10 Jack87: what does the command line say? Sep 23 03:13:30 rwhitby, it was looping... Sep 23 03:13:31 20:51.15 143[dbg] Looping before Zumo is running Sep 23 03:13:37 20:51.15 144[dbg] Drive not mounted Sep 23 03:14:17 i just membooted into it to ignorelocking failure and am running official doctor Sep 23 03:14:37 at 9% so far if it gets 12 i might of just done the trick Sep 23 03:15:00 oh boy.. not looking pretty Sep 23 03:15:09 Jack87: Zumo is your computer, not the device. Sep 23 03:15:27 oh... why does it keep looping that at 12%? Sep 23 03:15:35 ask your computer Sep 23 03:16:12 ok its past the 12% mark. just keeps looping that anyway Sep 23 03:16:40 before it was just stuck at 12%. Sep 23 03:17:17 i ran.. lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure Sep 23 03:17:17 lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure Sep 23 03:19:18 well i got it to stop looping that shit Sep 23 03:19:22 dumb windows Sep 23 03:20:13 it was also blocking rest of the feedback from the doctor Sep 23 05:10:08 anyone know where launcher bookmark icons are stored on the Touchpad 3.02? Sep 23 05:12:15 is lvm.static under the same license as lvm2-tools ? Sep 23 05:12:23 is it just a static version? Sep 23 05:13:57 looks like lgpl for the library Sep 23 05:14:38 oh cool for the tools too Sep 23 05:54:40 hey gents... I was enabling betafeeds and somehow my preware got borked when reinstalling Sep 23 05:55:05 I removed the package (and all things with preware in them from find / |grep preware) and tried again Sep 23 05:55:06 no dice Sep 23 05:55:11 here's the error: Sep 23 05:55:35 http://pastebin.com/ifDnBykA Sep 23 05:59:23 bueller? Sep 23 06:18:53 phish3: using ipkg is not a way to install preware Sep 23 06:19:22 yea I kinda been getting a clue to that with lots of googling Sep 23 06:19:26 but why Sep 23 06:19:35 isn't it being used in the background anyway? Sep 23 06:19:35 cause it just isn't Sep 23 06:19:40 ipkg works on / Sep 23 06:19:49 preware goes in /media/cryptofs/apps Sep 23 06:20:03 read http://bit.ly/phd-ac to install preware Sep 23 06:20:04 yea I noticed that... in offline mode it does put them in the new root Sep 23 06:20:17 but it doesn't run the package install/rm scripts Sep 23 06:20:24 if you try and do something manually, it *will* fail and you *will* get into a spot where you have to doctor Sep 23 06:21:00 there are at least 4 approved ways to install preware. don't try and roll your own. it won't work. Sep 23 06:21:03 * rwhitby bbl Sep 23 06:21:05 docto despite the fact I'm using novacom/novaterm? Sep 23 06:21:36 I did see that there are supported ways.. it blows me away it can't be done with ipkg... that's how i used to install some apps a few years ago Sep 23 06:21:43 that and/or palm-install Sep 23 06:21:48 palm-install supported/ Sep 23 06:21:50 *? Sep 23 06:22:47 yes, palm-install is supported Sep 23 06:23:00 read the preware wikipage at least Sep 23 06:23:38 ... :/ I thought i installed it (it's been a few months) via ipkg, I was trying to enable beta feeds and mishappeningly used ipkg Sep 23 06:23:54 as opposed to palm-install Sep 23 06:24:06 I'm used to rpm/dpkg way of doing things Sep 23 06:24:47 ie the bottom level tools usually work, the other ones on top are just more friendly sugar Sep 23 06:27:46 btw I've never bricked any palm device, does normal bricking entail the system is just mostly foobar'd and you can novaterm in still or is webos doctor a little more low level (like hooks into boot process) to fix things? Sep 23 06:37:42 ahh... i now should have my ext3fs for the fun to begin :) Sep 23 06:48:01 rwhitby, the Xecutah from the beta feeds wont launch the ubuntu chroot, logs show no error Sep 23 06:49:20 actually, i might have found the issue Sep 23 06:50:23 umm. trying to use mkdir to make a directory, but xterm is saying that its a read only file system.. ive never had this happen before Sep 23 06:50:48 PatrickC: maybe you should fsck your ext3 fs Sep 23 06:51:12 LunohoD, i need to create the ext3fs dir in /media first Sep 23 06:51:24 but its complaining that its a read only filesystem, so it wont let me Sep 23 06:52:30 amd mount -o rw,remount / Sep 23 06:52:57 doesnt work. says 'mount: mounting rootfs on / failed: no such file or directory' Sep 23 07:11:15 actually fsck works better on ro fs than rw :P Sep 23 07:39:37 phish3: you can use ipkg -o with the correct offline root, but then you also need to run the postinst as well Sep 23 07:39:52 that's too hard to explain in a wiki page, and people always get it wrong. so we don't support it. Sep 23 08:10:05 if I skip first use via *#devmode#, and sign into a profile with impostah, should I end up with working app catalog access? Sep 23 08:10:16 if I'm using it as a wifi-only device (no sim) Sep 23 08:14:58 the HP docs suggest these leaves you without appcat access... but it seems like if I used impostah to sign in, that it shouldn't matter Sep 23 08:15:53 I haven't gotten the welcome confirmation email, but I can't even get the updated app catalog... wondering if it's that that's stopping me from downloading anything Sep 23 08:16:51 all /var/log/messages says is com.palm.app.swmanager: Error: Catalog.download failed.init error: -1, palmInitFramework367:2569 Sep 23 08:33:23 dwc-: yes, you'll get app cat access. That's what Impostah does. Sep 23 09:44:43 I have a question about config for initializing the camsrc gstreamer src, is that here or in #webos? Sep 23 09:49:57 What would the best way to get escape key (on the BT keyboard) working in Xsdl? I can change the qt4 keymap and make the key generate another keysym, but then the Xsdl should be fixed to map that new value back to escape keycode. Am I missing something? Sep 23 09:52:39 Another way would be to patch the the key handling routine in the system application to pass the escape key press to the sdl layer Sep 23 09:54:56 anyone around that might be able to assist with a problem im having implementing tweaks into a patch? Sep 23 10:26:25 @ Xecutah people - would a shell script that rebuilds main-assistant.js to auto-detect new Xecutah apps be useful to you guys? Sep 23 10:29:46 I would have done it in the Javascript itself... but I'm no js programmer >_< Sep 23 10:32:08 hi, I'm a newbie and want to see what's going on here Sep 23 10:33:39 I'm interested in funambol sync running on webOS, any ideas? Sep 23 10:36:57 sorry, bye Sep 23 10:37:15 #bye Sep 23 10:51:43 you went bye bye roadkill :p Sep 23 10:52:16 anyone around that can answer a couple questions about submitting patches to preware? Sep 23 10:57:02 Sexbarril Yeah, well, BFD, really. Sep 23 11:23:07 @nightburn I've submitted my application to become a developer member of the forum a couple of days ago, but I'm still waiting to hear back from them. No idea what the turn-around time is. Sep 23 11:39:45 Got a QWERTZ Pre3 but it seems HP have changed the keypresses for some special chars. They printed some letters on the keys directly so you click Option key but some are still on the Sym key so its not very consistent. Sep 23 11:40:38 Any way I could map this back to like on the Pre where all special umlauts was accessed with the Sym key? Sep 23 12:41:21 PATH=/srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/arm-2007q3/bin:${PATH} sb2-init -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm armv7 arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc Sep 23 12:41:29 why isn't it arm-2009q1? Sep 23 12:49:47 Hello, is this the right place to ask for help in setting up a private channel on wIRC? it's specifically for the Pre|Central moderators. Sep 23 12:53:48 where can I geht linphone form webos alpha form testing ? Sep 23 12:55:36 sorry for typos .... Sep 23 13:15:11 Sledge007_: wIRC is just a client for accessing an irc network Sep 23 13:15:47 this channel is on the freenode network Sep 23 13:15:57 any one can create a channell Sep 23 13:19:40 ok I guess I'll have to look it up? I haven't used wIRC before Sep 23 13:20:15 i would imigine it works like other irc clients Sep 23 13:20:59 as in typing `/channel #someNewChan` would let you join Sep 23 13:21:06 a new room Sep 23 13:21:50 ok I think I know what you mean. Sep 23 13:21:52 googling for "beginners guide to irc" Sep 23 13:22:13 I can do that Sep 23 13:22:15 a / infrount of a message issues a command to your client Sep 23 13:22:28 rather then a message to the room Sep 23 13:23:26 Oh and to join a new room its `/join #coolness` not /channel Sep 23 13:23:53 you would think i would know that by now since i have been on irc got 10+ years Sep 23 13:24:16 lol Sep 23 13:24:52 i forgive my self though as i have had a headake most of the day Sep 23 13:27:31 Headaches are no fun. I get clusters about once a year...the last time was 7 weeks straight, no fun. Sep 23 13:27:41 I think I've got it figured out Sep 23 13:28:01 way easier than I thought it was going to be Sep 23 13:28:12 thanks. Sep 23 13:42:39 NP Sledge007_ Sep 23 13:45:56 hello can anyone here point me to linphone alpha ? Sep 23 13:47:30 Hiya Sep 23 13:48:07 hi Sep 23 13:48:10 Trying change the carriersettings but it was two years ago I did it on the .db3 Sep 23 13:48:42 ive changed the carrierdb.json, but do i need to upload it somewhere else other than etc/carrierdb/? Sep 23 13:49:14 on webos 1.x i seem to recall i had to upload to a luna directory too, whats up with 2.x? Sep 23 13:51:57 i have no idea about ehe carrier settings Sep 23 13:54:11 just wonder if I can use WOSQI to Send the file back to the phone and will overwrite the current one? Sep 23 14:41:35 ahhh, figured out my app catalog problem... it took sitting on the can and trying to see what time it was to figure out the clock skew was too high to use the app catalog Sep 23 14:45:06 lol Sep 23 14:52:56 dwc-: haha Sep 23 15:37:59 any linphone people here? I am interested in testing this if possible Sep 23 15:38:21 trying to see if I can hook up to phone system at work over wifi Sep 23 15:40:09 what up Sep 23 16:42:13 Could someone tell me that if you remove a patch, does it full restore the changes it made?... Sep 23 16:42:40 It seems that after I installed the....navbuttons for the browser...anytime I type a URL, the auto complete doesn't drop down. Sep 23 17:19:54 RavenII: Yes i blieave so, its just using the "standard" linux patch utility Sep 23 17:20:16 and it saves a copy of the patch so it know what was done Sep 23 17:20:30 this is why some time patches conflict Sep 23 17:20:47 or need to be removed in the reverse order they were installed Sep 23 17:21:05 it saves the original file... but what happens if there's two patches that modify the same file... I'm not sure whether it knows which one was the correct 'original' ... but a .patch file should just be able to be -R'd Sep 23 17:25:33 RichT23: gotcha... Sep 23 17:25:59 dwc-: ...that's what's making me think I made a boo boo...I tried applying both the nav buttons patch AND the swipe patch.... Sep 23 17:26:35 somewhere around that time...if I type in a website that I frequent...it doesn't pop down a menu or auto complete... Sep 23 18:53:55 Hey, anyone know a good resource on how to write preware patches? I'm looking to write a patch to switch browser useragents and need a good starting point. Sep 23 19:02:52 preware patches are just regular patches... Sep 23 19:03:00 make a backup of the files you change Sep 23 19:03:11 and you can diff -u oldfile newfile to generate the diff Sep 23 19:03:15 (that's the basics anyways) Sep 23 19:07:21 Cool. Sep 23 19:07:24 Thanks. Sep 23 19:20:08 Hey, anyone knows if there is any custom kernel for 3.0.4? Sep 23 19:25:11 what's 3.0.4? O:-) Sep 23 19:27:08 Tomky: assuming 3.0.4 is an as-yet-unreleased version of webOS, even if there were custom kernels for it, people wouldn't be able to tell you without breaking their NDA Sep 23 19:27:42 but that's a big if, since there have been no public announcement about it Sep 23 19:31:15 so.... Sep 23 19:31:35 There is a leaked version in some Chinese webOS forum Sep 23 19:31:38 question: does the touchpad bluetooth keyboard have shortcuts ? Like a shortcut to jump to url bar or to refresh the page ? close a card ? Sep 23 19:32:05 That's where I got Sep 23 19:32:28 I also find out preware already provide patches & kernels for 3.0.3 Sep 23 19:32:57 Since 3.0.3 is not announced yet, I guess same rule applies to 3.0.4 :D Sep 23 19:35:07 any illegally distributed versions of present or future webOS releases really ought not be discussed here Sep 23 19:35:22 I haven't seen any 3.0.3 patches in preware Sep 23 19:36:12 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/3.0.3/ Sep 23 19:37:08 oh, testing feeds Sep 23 19:37:22 that may be why I haven't seen them Sep 23 19:37:30 Yeah, that is where I found Sep 23 19:37:53 ok, well, 3.0.3 hasn't been released yet either Sep 23 19:37:54 It is interesting to see that Preware even support the future release of webos Sep 23 19:38:15 I'm also surprised about it. Sep 23 19:39:40 But the files provided in the feed in fact is the same files for 3.0.2 Sep 23 19:39:57 So I guess there is too much changes from 3.0.2 -> 3.0.3 Sep 23 19:40:52 But the kernel patches cannot be applied on 3.0.4, after tested Sep 23 19:43:42 Now my guess is that since the patches for 3.0.2 can be directly applied to 3.0.3, they can put it in feeds without violating NDA Sep 23 19:44:03 But for 3.0.4 they need to do some modification, which then will violate NDA if they released publicly Sep 23 20:07:08 hi Sep 23 20:07:23 I love my TP... Sep 23 20:25:14 when i want to store data i got to use db8? Sep 23 20:27:00 /topic Sep 23 20:27:01 lol Sep 23 20:32:48 Does anyone know how to make the standard touchpad browser jump to the top or bottom of the page with an enyo or javacript command ? Sep 23 20:42:30 question: does the touchpad bluetooth keyboard have shortcuts ? Like a shortcut to jump to url bar or to refresh the page ? close a card ? Sep 23 20:43:15 nope Sep 23 20:43:18 :'( Sep 23 20:43:59 what i've learned is that the keyboard's stuff is exactly the same as when you use the touchpad emulator Sep 23 20:44:02 how to make search in a webpage ? On touchpad Sep 23 20:44:05 nothing special about it :/ Sep 23 20:44:27 you don't douilwebOS, there's no such function Sep 23 20:44:40 :/ Sep 23 20:44:46 ty Sep 23 20:46:06 somekne know how to reset easystroke config manually ? Sep 23 20:46:34 Jedi mind tricks Sep 23 20:48:33 i ll jedi purge Sep 23 20:48:39 hey Sep 23 20:48:53 I can't find warthog on my pixi Sep 23 20:48:57 hi Sep 23 20:49:15 Did you update preware and the testing feeds? Sep 23 20:49:22 I've enabled testing feeds Sep 23 20:49:28 and yes I've updated Sep 23 20:49:28 using the new method? Sep 23 20:49:36 yes Sep 23 20:49:43 command line style Sep 23 20:49:53 alpha and beta? Sep 23 20:50:23 yessir Sep 23 20:50:37 did you enable it in preware itself after doing the command line thing Sep 23 20:50:45 in the manage feeds section Sep 23 20:51:30 is it normal after ubuntu install 10ago i dont have acces to accounts +app manager ? Sep 23 20:51:37 yes I did Sep 23 20:51:45 weord :{ Sep 23 20:51:47 weird* Sep 23 20:51:52 yeh Sep 23 20:52:00 can I install via pc? Sep 23 20:52:22 force preware to install a package Sep 23 20:52:37 mmm how about webOS Quick Install Sep 23 20:52:41 siestacatpixi Sep 23 20:52:49 will wosq do it? Sep 23 20:53:00 are you sure warthog for pixi exists? Sep 23 20:53:06 that too :P Sep 23 20:53:12 pixi is armv6 right? Sep 23 20:53:57 warthog for pixi does exist Sep 23 20:55:17 for my account trouble i just want to know if it is a known problem? Sep 23 20:56:01 help? Sep 23 20:56:07 you installed the chroot, right douilwebOS? Sep 23 20:56:14 siestacatpixi try using webos quick install Sep 23 20:56:36 wosqi has kernels? Sep 23 20:56:53 if you add the repos Sep 23 20:56:58 i dunno, try it Sep 23 20:57:31 ok Sep 23 20:57:35 :/ Sep 23 20:58:14 crimson y i jnstalled ubuntu chroot usjng tuto on internals Sep 23 21:10:09 wosqi is a no go Sep 23 21:11:07 and warthog IS built for 1.4.5.1 Sep 23 21:11:27 help? Sep 23 21:11:45 Download the package from ipkg.preware.org Sep 23 21:11:54 Install with Wosqi Sep 23 21:12:27 The phone might need reboot after preware testing feeds. I heard someone solved it that way one time. Sep 23 21:13:44 Left... What a waste Sep 23 21:18:12 rwhitby: hmm, does Veer have the same limitation on useable RAM as pre3 does? (ie a chunk taken up by MSM?) Sep 23 21:26:03 damn it Sep 23 21:26:08 I just frigged my touchpad Sep 23 21:26:15 I installed warthog kernel Sep 23 21:26:25 and closed the preware thing in the background Sep 23 21:26:34 so now it won't boot Sep 23 21:27:45 and if I doctor will it save my applications? Sep 23 21:28:06 anyone around that handles patch submissions and the feeds? Sep 23 21:28:22 help Sep 23 21:28:42 siestacat : doctor it Sep 23 21:29:15 siestacat: what screen are you getting when you turn it on Sep 23 21:35:16 doctor will let you redownload all your appcat apps Sep 23 21:35:33 you might have to reinstall the others Sep 23 21:35:43 nightburn : I'm going to memboot out of it Sep 23 21:35:50 Forgot that bootie was this usefull Sep 23 21:46:37 Probably installed the wrong kernel or the kernel is hardcore alpha. Sep 23 21:47:08 Had that happen to my pre2. Manually installed a kernel and picked the Pre version on accident Sep 23 21:52:18 damn, I love you people Sep 23 21:52:32 booting via bootie, will reinstall warthog and call it good Sep 23 21:52:32 I love myself too Sep 23 21:52:41 ;) Sep 23 21:52:47 :D Sep 23 21:55:01 I just submitted a new Touchpad patch to Preware: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/300661-patch-custom-browser-gestures-touchpad.html Sep 23 21:55:46 looks very cool Sep 23 21:59:24 Wish it would work globally for any webview widget Sep 23 22:08:57 nightburn: should be in the feeds soon Sep 23 22:09:17 rwhitby: cool thanks rwhitby Sep 23 22:09:33 LunohoD: please contact dtzWill regarding Xsdl and the Esc key Sep 23 22:09:40 do I need to cross-compile all needed libraries before compiling Xsdl? Sep 23 22:09:41 rwhitby: did you test it ? Sep 23 22:10:46 LunohoD: earlier webOS versions require 2007q3, so we use that so that apps can run on all webOS devices Sep 23 22:13:37 rwhitby: can you please remove my "Simple Browser Gestures Inverted" patch from the feeds. I got an email saying that one was approved too but my Custom Gestures patch completely deprecates that one . Sep 23 22:14:38 LunohoD: yes Sep 23 22:14:52 nightburn: which patches should be removed? Sep 23 22:15:48 nightburn: both simple browser gestures patches? Sep 23 22:16:08 nightburn: I did not test it, that's your job ;) Sep 23 22:16:14 rwhitby: oh, that's a lot of work :( Sep 23 22:16:26 Well the original one "not inverted" is Garrett92C's work and I don't want to speak for him on removing that yet.. Sep 23 22:16:34 LunohoD: "make" is a lot of work ? Sep 23 22:16:40 but eventually they both should probably be removed Sep 23 22:16:53 rwhitby: X depends on many libs Sep 23 22:16:59 definitely remove the inverted one for now. Sep 23 22:17:24 rwhitby: I already tested it a bunch, I just wanted to know if you had tried it yet :) Sep 23 22:17:30 nightburn: removed Sep 23 22:17:38 LunohoD: you're using the WIDK, right? Sep 23 22:17:42 i thought maybe there are packages with already built libraries that can be installed into the build environment Sep 23 22:17:45 rwhitby: yes Sep 23 22:17:54 so it's just time and disk space, not work. Sep 23 22:18:35 is there a single command that could do the trick? Sep 23 22:19:03 like make everything Sep 23 22:19:47 I've built the sdldoom, but I had to build the sdl libraries first Sep 23 22:20:40 each package should build it's dependencies first Sep 23 22:20:57 what does the wiki page say to do? Sep 23 22:22:16 it says "After you run through the WIDK and setup your toolchain, take a look at Application:Xecutah for details on building X Server and the process for building an application." Sep 23 22:22:32 but there are no details on building X Server on that page Sep 23 22:23:23 I'm doing something wrong Sep 23 22:25:40 oh, look at the history of that page, and then copy it back into the WIDK page. Sep 23 22:26:19 "make stage" is the command usually used Sep 23 22:26:32 run that in packages/x/xorg-server Sep 23 22:26:33 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Build_Xecutah Sep 23 22:26:43 found that link in the history Sep 23 22:26:45 ah, I did move it. Sep 23 22:26:56 please update whatever is pointing to that Sep 23 22:29:46 rwhitby: done Sep 23 22:30:59 LunohoD: thanks Sep 23 22:31:23 LunohoD: sounds like you've got some embedded linux experience - what's your open source project background? Sep 23 22:31:45 rwhitby: I'm one of the core developers of the OpenInkpot project Sep 23 22:31:50 openinkpot.org Sep 23 22:33:24 LunohoD: nice. what are your plans for webOS ? Sep 23 22:34:37 (BTW, we're very interested in new ideas to get Esc working on a basic keysym, also on BT keyboards) Sep 23 22:34:38 rwhitby: I'd like to have a decent pdf reader on my Touchpad Sep 23 22:36:24 LunohoD: I know dtzWill and PuffTheMagic would both be very interested in that Sep 23 22:37:21 rwhitby: with kmap2qmap we can create new qt4 keymaps Sep 23 22:37:58 LunohoD: is there a wiki page which captures what you know about the qt4 keymaps on the TouchPad ? Sep 23 22:38:24 not yet Sep 23 23:04:48 Dump question: Where can I get the debian-chroot or ubuntu-chroot version? I would like to port Slackware for the touchpad. I used to port Slackware por SPARC and the old PowerPCs :D Sep 23 23:06:01 jonbrefe: in Preware Sep 23 23:33:43 LunohoD, im only interested in native webos solutions Sep 23 23:41:12 Hi, is it possible to use preware with the command line ? Sep 23 23:50:52 Ork: in what way? Sep 23 23:51:13 Preware is a javascript app. You can launch javascript apps from the command line. Sep 23 23:56:18 preware ever gonna get enyo'ized ? Sep 23 23:56:59 nightburn: dunno. unless we change the internal architecture to allow parallel installs or something it doesn't strike me as a good use of our time. Sep 23 23:58:01 e.g.: "Pre 3 TMC error fix, or Enyo Preware" - I know which I would choose to spend my precious little coding time on. Sep 23 23:58:05 I'm just thinking multi-panes would be nice on the touchpad Sep 23 23:58:44 heh, id be with you on that if I could actually obtain a pre3 Sep 23 23:59:26 there are plenty available. it all depends on the price you are willing to pay. Sep 24 00:00:29 I'd pay $300. that's about it Sep 24 00:00:49 doubt you'll get one then. but you can obtain them. Sep 24 00:01:41 yup Sep 24 00:02:32 I'm guessing HP hasn't released any source code / dr's for pre3? Sep 24 00:03:48 sure they have Sep 24 00:04:13 kernel ? Sep 24 00:04:24 opensource.palm.com Sep 24 00:04:44 can't TMC be fixed through a kernel ? or is this particular problem entirely different? Sep 24 00:04:56 it can, and it has Sep 24 00:08:05 well, I still stand by my earlier statement, enyo'ized preware would be awesome :) Anyways, thanks for pushing my patch through earlier, so far it's been well received and seems to be bug free.. Sep 24 00:08:27 enyo'ized preware would indeed by awesome. when will you have it ready for us ? ;) Sep 24 00:08:46 i'll get right on it. Sep 24 00:08:59 awesome. please coordinate with oil Sep 24 00:09:18 oil: nightburn is going to complete the Enyo port of Preware for us Sep 24 00:09:34 lol , i wasn't being entirely serious, i doubt i'm ready for that :) Sep 24 00:10:08 * rwhitby tweets that nightburn is creating Enyo Preware ... Sep 24 00:10:17 hahah Sep 24 00:10:44 before you do that tweet, let me give you my twitter handle Sep 24 00:11:04 oh wait, i seem to have forgetten it . Sep 24 00:12:57 I'm still trying to figure out how to make the TP web browser jump to the top or bottom of the loaded webpage.. I think that proves I'm not ready for building an entire UI with enyo . Sep 24 00:15:04 nightburn: you can get one for about 300+some change Sep 24 00:15:19 EU azerty, pops into the euro palm store for 170GBP or thereabouts Sep 24 00:15:35 add in a 3rd party shipping redirection/payment service Sep 24 00:15:51 * NuttyBunny isn't seeing webosinternals tweet about nightburn ;) Sep 24 00:16:15 Is 500 for a shipped AT&T Pre3 too much? Sep 24 00:16:18 then enyo preware in the repo loads packages Sep 24 00:16:22 USD Sep 24 00:16:22 but not much else Sep 24 00:16:28 depends on how much you value it! Sep 24 00:16:32 i haven't thought of a design for it yet Sep 24 00:16:44 NuttyBunny: yes. Sep 24 00:16:46 as mojo-scenes-to-panels wont work for it Sep 24 00:16:50 NuttyBunny: I'd recommend you buy it now. Sep 24 00:16:52 and i dont want to just copy the catalog Sep 24 00:16:54 [01:49:37] <+ rwhitby> Ork: in what way? Sep 24 00:17:04 as using it as aptitude/yum Sep 24 00:17:36 Ork: not recommended. the postinst scripts don't get run automatically, and if we tell people manual instructions they forget to run them. Sep 24 00:17:41 If I could find an ATT or verizon one for $300 + some change. I'd do it. Sep 24 00:18:03 nightburn: good luck. Current "Buy It Now" price is $750 Sep 24 00:18:17 lol yea. so not happening. Sep 24 00:18:34 ok rwhitby Sep 24 00:18:49 rwhitby: thanks, I'm in the process of getting that :) Sep 24 00:19:29 So can anyone in here shed some light on how scrolling works within TP's default web browser? Sep 24 00:19:43 this.$.scroller................. ?????????????? Sep 24 00:19:46 ATTs were going around $500 last I heard Sep 24 00:21:03 yep, me 2, $500 Sep 24 00:21:43 stupid PayPal, how come they say my address is unconfirmed if I have 3 cards in my account, all with the same address... aargh Sep 24 00:22:14 i think you have to confirm with a bank account Sep 24 00:24:09 address confirmation is done by them sending you a code via postal mail Sep 24 00:28:02 So quiet Sep 24 00:31:01 * rwhitby is busy fixing TMC on TouchPad Sep 24 00:31:32 Rwhitby - Fixing HP's mistakes one day at a time Sep 24 00:34:42 dwc-: Well, on the help page it said that you had to link your card, but that sounds more plausible :) Sep 24 00:35:49 Who has an HP bluetooth keyboard and wants to help a fellow intl dev? Sep 24 00:37:39 What is it? Sep 24 00:37:43 is the keyboard still available for purchase anywhere? ;0 Sep 24 00:38:19 some best buy and staples still have them Sep 24 00:38:27 im from europe :/ Sep 24 00:38:40 amazon.uk.co? Sep 24 00:39:04 amazon.co.uk* Sep 24 00:39:34 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hewlett-Packard-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1316824689&sr=8-1 Sep 24 00:39:36 40 quid? wow Sep 24 00:40:14 is that good or bad? Sep 24 00:40:27 isnt that expensive for a small bluetooth keyboard? Sep 24 00:40:34 i mean my pc keyboard is a filco majestouch 2 Sep 24 00:40:35 I got mine for $30 usd Sep 24 00:40:43 o_o Sep 24 00:40:48 retail goes for $70 usd Sep 24 00:41:42 http://www.amazon.de/HP-FB410AA-ABD-TouchPad-Bluetooth-Tastatur/dp/B005ARY0TU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=computers&qid=1316824720&sr=8-1 Sep 24 00:41:46 amazon.de -> 60euros Sep 24 00:51:55 NuttyBunny: I have one. why? Sep 24 00:52:16 NuttyBunny: there's multiple types of verification with paypal... their help is probably just a little unclear Sep 24 00:52:56 yeah, I'll deal with that later, I have a friend in the US who can receive it, so no need for the verified address.. Sep 24 00:53:38 about the keyboard, can you type international characters on it? on a usb keyboard I can press ctrl and vowels to get accented chars, but on this little bluetooth one I can't Sep 24 00:56:28 * NuttyBunny waits for dwc- answer... Sep 24 01:01:19 hi, anyone know how I can find the doc about webos develop? Sep 24 01:01:46 google.com Sep 24 01:02:14 I tried. most of them link to webos 3 sdk Sep 24 01:02:15 I hear developer.palm.com is good too Sep 24 01:02:39 NuttyBunny: sorry, touchpad KB is at home. Sep 24 01:02:52 I can check later though Sep 24 01:03:44 because I wanna produce a app for my own palm pre plus Sep 24 01:03:51 * NuttyBunny kicks dwc- for making him wait :P Sep 24 01:03:52 hehehe Sep 24 01:04:27 asdf_: include "mojo" in your search Sep 24 01:04:33 but I find all webos 1.4.5 and 2.1 docs disapeared Sep 24 01:04:46 ok, let me try Sep 24 01:06:22 argh... Sep 24 01:07:26 rwhitby: pretty please, fix the tmc error on the TP, I have wirc, xserver+jedit, advanced browser with a couple of tabs and it wouldn't let me answer an email till I closed jedit :'( Sep 24 01:07:41 NuttyBunny: checked your twitter lately? Sep 24 01:08:13 TMC if I want to open incredible/spaz/etc :P .. checking Sep 24 01:08:26 * NuttyBunny grabs the phone Sep 24 01:08:30 NuttyBunny: UberKernel in alpha-kernels Sep 24 01:09:32 ah, great! ... and now, the moment of truth begins... migrate to the new feeds :) Thanks! Sep 24 01:09:55 I just hope mupen64 runs fine at 1.5ghz Sep 24 01:15:00 fix: force apps you're not using into swap Sep 24 01:15:24 run a perl/c program that allocates a bunch of memory and then exits Sep 24 01:20:46 dwc-: really? Sep 24 01:23:45 what is it with this voice dial thingy Sep 24 01:23:54 it will not let me move it off the first launcher page Sep 24 01:24:05 always comes back after reboot Sep 24 01:25:15 Xuzz: yeah, i've just ignored it Sep 24 01:25:16 haha Sep 24 01:25:17 NuttyBunny: yes. "fix" Sep 24 01:25:59 dwc-: hehehe... and it works :D Sep 24 01:54:06 Quick question, is there a quick way to make luna load a edited .js file (from an app), or I'd better go reinstalling it over and over again? Sep 24 01:54:16 (please, don't say luna restart) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:57 2011