**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Sep 24 02:59:57 2011 Sep 24 03:30:15 Any link for how to submit an app to Preware? Sep 24 03:36:39 gl_ what app did you make? Sep 24 03:37:14 Not me, someone made app to set proxy: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/296589-touchpad-proxy-server-support.html Sep 24 03:37:20 I need this Sep 24 03:37:53 oh that proxy guy Sep 24 03:37:56 I have problems conencting to corp wireless but when I do connect I will need proxy Sep 24 03:38:52 I think my probs may be: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/297567-fixing-eap-auth-wpa_supplicant-how-i-spent-my-monday-evening.html Sep 24 03:39:39 Anyone here work at MS and able to connect to corp wireless? Sep 24 03:39:51 i wouldnt know im not too deep into that kind of stuff Sep 24 03:40:00 im glad my uni uses eduroam Sep 24 03:40:42 with HP TP that is Sep 24 04:21:59 sweet, jcsullins is doing some awesome stuff with moboot on touchpad Sep 24 04:27:00 hi guys Sep 24 04:27:01 and gals Sep 24 04:27:24 i have a couple of q's if someone doesnt mind helping out? Sep 24 04:27:42 ~asktoask Sep 24 04:27:42 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Sep 24 04:27:43 ~ask Sep 24 04:27:43 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Sep 24 04:28:12 i have a palm pixi plus from verizon (CDMA) and have had it re-injected by another operator here in Asia Sep 24 04:28:25 here's my question: other then the bots, who's here against their will? :) hah Sep 24 04:28:28 i dont have a palm profile setup Sep 24 04:28:36 re-injected? Sep 24 04:28:48 yeah. its now working on another operator Sep 24 04:29:01 that uses CDMA? Sep 24 04:29:06 yes Sep 24 04:29:30 everything is working except the stuff that needs a palm profile Sep 24 04:29:37 so no app catalog Sep 24 04:29:54 Seriously, fuck you webOS internals for making me uninstall preware to access a god damn feed. I didn't ask for a lesson in linux command line, just give me the data without the hoops. Thank for for deciding to siphon 30 minutes of my life to fix something that wasn't broken. Sep 24 04:30:14 stalane, 1.4.5? Sep 24 04:30:29 scoutcamper: no its 1.4.0 Sep 24 04:30:31 stalane, or 2.x? Sep 24 04:30:36 oh wow Sep 24 04:30:55 i presume i cant now upgrade it with the doctor release Sep 24 04:31:19 without it resetting to verizon or am i wrong? Sep 24 04:31:57 or can i install preware on it without the palm doctor and get access to the app catalog Sep 24 04:32:12 stalane, first use app from preware, and yes you can install preware Sep 24 04:32:48 scoutcamper: great so preware doesnt mess with the frequency or operator settings? Sep 24 04:32:57 no Sep 24 04:33:02 nice Sep 24 04:33:12 and i can then install the preware apps? Sep 24 04:33:15 yes Sep 24 04:33:17 i got it Sep 24 04:33:26 but no chance of going to 1.4.5 ? Sep 24 04:33:32 its like cydia without the garbage Sep 24 04:33:47 stalane, without more details, i cant say for sure Sep 24 04:34:36 scoutcamper: ok thanks. ill play with it :D Sep 24 04:35:03 stalane, when you get access to app catalog bit.ly/phd-ac is a great way to say thanks to webos-internals and rwhitby Sep 24 04:35:21 sure ill donate. no problem Sep 24 04:37:05 I say thanks by keeping free software free - by not paying for it. Sep 24 04:37:56 Ziph0r: seriously, you have a problem? Sep 24 04:39:46 Yes. I had beta feeds. Now I'm spending the last 20 minutes off my life online past midnight to redownload all the crap and redo all the steps i needed to install pre ware in the first place. Sep 24 04:40:14 yep, and I assume you've read testing.preware.org for the reasons why that is so. Sep 24 04:40:17 Why? Because I need to pass the "worthy to have beta feeds" test. Sep 24 04:40:31 Yes, because retards break there ish. Sep 24 04:40:32 well, if you think that, then you haven't read that page very well. Sep 24 04:40:37 So let them break it. Sep 24 04:40:38 it's not worthy, from what I know, the beta feeds are for TESTING Sep 24 04:40:46 if you are actually testing stuff, that's not a big deal Sep 24 04:40:50 no, it's cause other sites publish the feeds without the warnings or rules. Sep 24 04:41:01 if you just want "early access" to stuff, then don't use it? Sep 24 04:41:10 Thats the individual users issues. Sep 24 04:41:26 Unfortunately, no. Sep 24 04:41:40 not if those individual users request support Sep 24 04:41:49 Your wasting everyone else's time forcing us to redo the crap we already set time aside to do, Sep 24 04:41:53 or spread misinformation about the quality of the software Sep 24 04:42:05 or come to IRC channels cursing at folks Sep 24 04:43:03 or forcing redundant effort Sep 24 04:43:04 folks who provide the same free software which you want to keep free and openly available. Sep 24 04:43:20 so like, i read the docs in 3 minutes, and it took 5min to do... it's not a big deal.... Sep 24 04:43:43 and I think I had like 4 beers in me at the time.... Sep 24 04:43:43 same Sep 24 04:43:47 christr: and it also split one amorphous testing feed into clear alpha and beta feeds. Sep 24 04:44:01 Its really not alot of effort at all if your read it Sep 24 04:44:02 it took me all of 2 min to do the enable alpha and beta feeds, youve spent longer conplaining than it took to do Sep 24 04:44:06 and made the obligations of using such clear from the start Sep 24 04:44:24 I'm glad you guys have all the time in the world. Sep 24 04:44:29 i havn't done the alpha feeds... not till i get my hands on a 'test' touchpad. :) i'm actually relying on this one to do stuff now. haha. Sep 24 04:45:11 lol Sep 24 04:45:22 Ziph0r: yep, all the time in the world to spend creating the things in the testing feeds that you seem to want to get access to without any of the obligations associated with such. Sep 24 04:45:28 Me on the other hand, I don't even pull out my laptop until someone decides to break my beta feeds, you know, just because. Sep 24 04:45:39 Oh entitlement :/ Sep 24 04:46:14 lol, at this point Ziph0r has probably spent more time arguing with rwhitby than he spent dealing with the beta feeds Sep 24 04:46:19 Ziph0r, rwhitby made a clear and exact reason for removing the old testing feeds, and made the instructions very clear and easy to follow Sep 24 04:46:25 BTW, the feeds weren't broken. You can still use the old ones fine. They just don't have anything in them. So no-one forced you to change. Sep 24 04:46:56 (seriously, is this really that big a deal? why is this even worthy of anyone's time?) Sep 24 04:47:31 Ziph0r: Since you wanted to get access to the new beta feeds, that means you've made a conscious and informed decision to be part of the beta testing effort, which is expected to utilise some of your precious time (unless you're just a freeloader who's not going to give anything back to the community) Sep 24 04:48:36 donations are required or that was just a suggestion? Sep 24 04:48:49 just a suggestion Sep 24 04:48:55 A "donation" by definition is never required. Sep 24 04:49:02 A donation is free-will Sep 24 04:49:06 Ziph0r you seem to have plenty of free time to waste complaining about this petty issue Sep 24 04:49:16 rwhitby: thanks, good to know Sep 24 04:49:33 if it was required, it would be a bounty or subscription Sep 24 04:49:40 Installing Novacom drivers...again. Sep 24 04:49:43 or shareware? Sep 24 04:49:45 a donation is a way to say "thank you all you devs who spent many hours building this app, framework, and community" Sep 24 04:49:46 christr, thanks for the RDP work, everyone else thanks as well Sep 24 04:50:09 bounty was intended to be something else, inducement to an action, not a means of acquiring something exclusivly Sep 24 04:50:27 so, somewhat back to the point of this channel: what causes many mojo apps to show a ~20px black bar at the bottom of the screen on the Pre 3? Sep 24 04:50:35 tmzt: agreed. acquiring something exclusively would be a sale Sep 24 04:50:48 Xuzz: lack of a specific line in the index.html Sep 24 04:50:51 ha, right Sep 24 04:50:54 hm. Sep 24 04:50:59 anyway, back to moboot Sep 24 04:51:00 * Xuzz looks to see what line. Sep 24 04:51:15 Sep 24 04:51:32 I usually put it between the title and the script Sep 24 04:51:40 hm Sep 24 04:51:50 Is that because the pre3 screen is taller? Sep 24 04:52:01 heh Sep 24 04:52:06 Saij: dunno exactly why - I assume it's something to do with the scaling they do Sep 24 04:52:09 Saij: yeah; probably due to the different aspect ratio Sep 24 04:52:16 wonder if it would be possible to patch mojo to load that line in automatically... hmmm, tempting Sep 24 04:52:17 * Xuzz adds that line to a few apps Sep 24 04:52:20 Hm, odd Sep 24 04:52:26 halfhalo: yeah, i was thinking of that Sep 24 04:52:32 This may be stupid, but can I mount the whole device easily as a filesystem? Sep 24 04:52:37 I kinda want to skin Sep 24 04:52:44 if you use ssh, you could use sshfs, but I doubt that's the easiest method Sep 24 04:52:47 I;m guessing its ext2/ext3 so I'll need Linux Sep 24 04:52:50 Saij: sftp-server Sep 24 04:53:10 I use tramp in Emacs to browse the device via that Sep 24 04:53:15 gl_: no prob.... buildin a build server for the pdk now actually... gonna give a whirl of building this as a semi useful package... Sep 24 04:53:20 emacs is a textmode editor isn't it? Sep 24 04:53:27 rwhitby: do you use the one from openssh? Sep 24 04:53:50 tmzt: I use the one in Preware Sep 24 04:54:02 right, but where does that come from Sep 24 04:54:11 christr: when you do, let me know so we can get it in the feeds Sep 24 04:54:19 didn't know there was a standalone sftp-server and dropbear doesn't seem to have one Sep 24 04:54:33 tmzt: yeah, it's from openssh Sep 24 04:54:47 dropbear doesn't do agent-forwarding properly, so I stay away from it Sep 24 04:54:50 we need some testers with 16gb tp's in #msm-bootloader Sep 24 04:54:59 yeah I know, sadly Sep 24 04:55:00 msm-bootloader? Sep 24 04:55:27 after running it on wrt for years and finding I had to port forward everything to ssh anywhere with agent forwarding Sep 24 04:55:41 a couple of other things it doesn't support, -w which would be really useful Sep 24 04:56:38 christr, that would be great, It did take me a while to get it working but that was Pebcac, RDP is one of the 3 things I need, incl proxy and corp wireless Sep 24 04:56:49 eh, i always end up installing nano, bash, openssh, and optware. thats pretty much my standard dev env if i don't have textmate. oh, and htop. Sep 24 04:57:15 Xuzz: yeah, a port of lk, which is the basis of bootie, with a new menu and multi-kernel support Sep 24 04:57:23 heh Sep 24 04:58:21 (msm-bootloader is on-topic here, cause it could be used in the future to switch between multiple webOS kernels without needing to uninstall/reinstall) Sep 24 04:58:38 (but the discussion is in #msm-bootloader) Sep 24 04:59:01 halfhalo: textmate have split windows yet? Sep 24 04:59:54 :D Sep 24 04:59:57 And we're done. So thanks, i'll be back here next week when you decide I have to reformat my touchpad to enable feeds. Sep 24 04:59:58 good stuff. Sep 24 05:00:07 thats supposed to be in textmate 2! :p Sep 24 05:00:10 Why just the 16GB models? Sep 24 05:00:13 hah Sep 24 05:00:39 SineOt: there's a partition error of some kind, we are trying to track it down Sep 24 05:00:42 32gb works fine Sep 24 05:00:58 Ziph0r: we'll be looking forward to your erudite discussion topics when you return Sep 24 05:01:09 tmzt, what partition error? Sep 24 05:01:13 rwhitby: will do.. it's still going to require to be run in an xterm/etc... but would be nice to have it not have to do crap like remount / and stuff crap into OS areas... :) Sep 24 05:01:36 christr: does it require an xterm, or just an xserver ? Sep 24 05:01:40 rwhitby: right, and I'm cool with that, but it's sometimes necessary to explain what something is, thinking of all the recruiting for this channel needed in #webos a couple of years ago :) Sep 24 05:01:44 the other dude's working on a frontend it seems, but he's essentially going to have to replace Xecutah... Sep 24 05:01:50 ka6sox: as rwhitby said, discussion is in #msm-bootloader Sep 24 05:01:57 well, the issue with rdesktop itself is passing the commandline args to it... Sep 24 05:02:02 tmzt: yep, no problem here Sep 24 05:02:19 @rwhutby next time make us use a hex editor! Sep 24 05:02:32 tmzt, okay, too many things going on, I was just asking what the issue was is all. Sep 24 05:02:35 pfft, hex editor Sep 24 05:02:37 so in theory it dosn't need xterm, but off the top of my head that's the only way I know to get it to get the args. the other thing is eventually I need to deal with the right-click issue. Sep 24 05:02:59 i should be able to do that with some of the x tools, but i'll need to find/compile those and most of those require a window manager.... yet another aggrivation. haah Sep 24 05:03:12 use debugfs Sep 24 05:03:23 christr: are you using the WIDK ? Sep 24 05:04:13 yeah, that's what i'm installing now. :) Sep 24 05:04:50 christr: a tip - don't try and "make stage" from the top. there's always some packages broken Sep 24 05:05:22 actually come to think of it, a window manager launched from xecutah may be a spiffy idea... then you can rig up a menu item that handles the input for the app.. hmmm. Sep 24 05:05:37 ka6sox: yeah, and I'm happy to answer but we don't yet know why, if you want to follow discussion you can join us in the other channel, we have logs as well, but I can't really tell you what's going on when I don't know myself Sep 24 05:06:07 tmzt, let me read the logs...where are they? Sep 24 05:06:40 http://irclog.netripper.com or linked in the wiki at http://github.com/tmzt/msmb/wiki Sep 24 05:07:23 rwhitby: thanks. :) is that called during the make setup bit on this page ? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Sep 24 05:07:43 Good night rwhitby. Thank you for your feeds. Next time keep them easy to get to. Sep 24 05:08:03 what a charming fellow Sep 24 05:08:20 indeed Sep 24 05:08:36 christr: setup is fine. Sep 24 05:08:46 yup... :) typicial annoyance that seems to think all this crap magically appears.... no clue of the thousands of man-hours behind it.... all in folks spare time... Sep 24 05:08:52 christr: although you may want to just do armv7 Sep 24 05:09:03 if he knew how to use git, he could have just figured out the feed urls Sep 24 05:09:27 dwc-: except Preware doesn't allow you to enter them via the UI :) Sep 24 05:09:43 orly? Sep 24 05:10:00 feeds use git? Sep 24 05:10:01 certain URLs are explicitly excluded, cause I knew that the first thing that XDA folks would do is post the raw URLs Sep 24 05:10:49 tmzt: the preware application is in git Sep 24 05:10:50 * halfhalo hasn't entered a url in preware in ages... he just does it via terminal since he doctors his devices so much Sep 24 05:11:04 complete with changelog Sep 24 05:12:12 including the postinst script which contains all the feed URLs that get set up automatically and without errors when the flag files are seen Sep 24 05:12:20 halfhalo: so, I added this code to Mojo.load, but it does not appear to work: Sep 24 05:12:34 note that I've not seen a feed URL typo support request since the change :) Sep 24 05:13:01 hah Sep 24 05:13:04 http://pastie.org/private/hcy7chkbwyqtf1httgxrq Sep 24 05:15:05 Xuzz: maybe the tag is being added after the dom is setup. Sep 24 05:15:40 rwhitby: if you enter them as added by preware, no.... Sep 24 05:15:41 halfhalo: yeah; i'm not even sure you can set the viewport in javascript Sep 24 05:16:07 may have to go the regex route, but i don't really like that way Sep 24 05:18:52 halfhalo: like, running a regex on all installed apps? Sep 24 05:18:54 that would suck. Sep 24 05:19:04 yup. Sep 24 05:19:31 can I just say that I love the way alpha/beta feeds are done now Sep 24 05:20:03 bnceo: agreed, seeing as I typo'd the damn thing like 4 times cuz the tp keyboard would miss keys. hahaha. Sep 24 05:20:13 haha Sep 24 05:20:21 I juts did it in WQI Sep 24 05:20:34 yeah ishoulda done the same. :) or used my bt keyboard. hah Sep 24 05:20:44 but I think i was outside playing with my dogs at the time. :) Sep 24 05:21:40 it's funny. I got the BT keyboard, and I played with it for one day. that's it Sep 24 05:22:26 hah, i use it all the time... tho part of me prefers the apple keyboard i originally used before I got an HP one. but I type a lot ... ii spend most of my free time on this thing in xterm. ;) Sep 24 05:23:18 I use Tide and xterm on it almost exclusively. Sep 24 05:23:45 see, in xterm, diff scenario. when it comes to this stuff, I'm still an amateur. I can follow direction well, but def can't code Sep 24 05:23:46 mine sits in a touchstone most of the time when at work or home so i use it more like a little netbook then a tablet. Sep 24 05:24:14 i' not a dev either... :) but been a linux SA since slackware showed up on set of 3 floppies. :) Sep 24 05:24:15 gotta say, for those who use a laptop for basic surfing and what not, tablet takes its place Sep 24 05:24:19 Tide? Sep 24 05:24:30 Touchpad IDE> Sep 24 05:24:36 yup Sep 24 05:24:40 nice little dev oriented text edit. Sep 24 05:24:41 ah Sep 24 05:24:53 syntax highlighting, etc for a boatload of languages. Sep 24 05:24:58 hey christr. i wrote the trident 8900C driver for that first slackware release :D Sep 24 05:25:10 since I develop *directly* on the touchpad. Sep 24 05:25:29 with keyboard? Sep 24 05:27:22 stalane: hah, awesome... I specifically bought a trident based video card back then. :) then after a while I swtiched to ATI cuz they were the only ones actually giving the X folks a hand . Sep 24 05:27:35 my friend mike had a good hand in the adaptec drivers. Sep 24 05:28:45 yeah. did you have the #darkstar prompt? Sep 24 05:30:20 hmm, can't remember... that was like early 90's man. :) what's funny is I went from Slackware then eventually to Debian, never using redhat till i started working for Akamai in 99. now redhat is everywhere... only reason I didn't do RH was because the ROM I got personaly from Marc Ewing at unix expo in like 94 or 95 wouldn't boot on anything I owned. Sep 24 05:30:44 yeah was 1993 i think Sep 24 05:31:34 yeah i can't remember the exact time frame I did the slackware bit... 93 or 94.. leaning tword 93ish.. i was running BBS's back then and was slowly transititioning to running an ISP out of my bedroom. hah. Sep 24 05:32:06 was using ham radio software (KA9Q) to handle my SL/IP connection to a provider. Sep 24 05:32:22 anyway, this is largely chatter we shouldn't prob be clogging up this chan with. haha. Sep 24 05:32:59 haha. nice. i have a channel #stalane if you want to reminisce Sep 24 05:33:26 maybe in a bit.. still doing the whole widk install and crap here... ;) plus it's 130am where i'm at. gonna be hitting the sack shortly. Sep 24 05:33:52 no problem. im in there most of the time. just show up whenever Sep 24 05:34:22 ok cool. Sep 24 05:34:46 christr: BTW, if anyone has a suggestion for a better build system than what we currently have in the WIDK, we're all ears :) Sep 24 05:35:06 we couldn't convince Palm to publish their OE setup :( Sep 24 05:35:49 rhwitby you could try 'woof' although im only about 10 mins in this whole palm thing having just got phones yesterday Sep 24 05:35:58 yeah... I do builds for video games quite often, but it's all mostly in commercial software... and not really great for stuf like this I wouldn't think.... we use Perforce for version control and Bamboo as our build server. Sep 24 05:36:22 christr: needs to be a cross-compilation build system Sep 24 05:36:43 ah Sep 24 05:37:40 we decided on scratchox2, and it's been a good decision for all the X stuff. We need a better framework around it though. Sep 24 05:37:49 yeah, bamboo could do that... but the problem is, running a bamboo system is nearly a full time job... hah. this way so far doesn't seem bad... granted i'm still poking thru the install instructions... but hvan't run into a single issue yet. Sep 24 05:39:36 is it java based? Sep 24 05:40:58 tmzt: yes. Sep 24 05:41:49 http://www.atlassian.com/software/bamboo/ it's mostly for stuff like continous builds and whatnot. Sep 24 05:42:26 but we've got it rigged up to actually push out our deployemnts as well. (well mainly to the dev stuff, prod deployments are only sent out by an SA using code pulled from the last run in our staging environments) Sep 24 05:42:36 ah, build.git is more like that (on a much more primitive scale). widk is more like the build scripts that bamboo would call. Sep 24 05:43:43 build.git? Sep 24 05:44:04 do you think sb2 is a good fit? it's a vast improvement over sb1 Sep 24 05:44:14 true... it's more of a suite of stuff, bamboo itself is just the continous integration environment really... it's nice tho in a commercial setting cuz it pulls in bugs from Jira, managages some of the version control aspects, etc. Sep 24 05:44:16 but it's mostly chroot and qemu-arm doing all the work Sep 24 05:44:49 christr: it be nice to have something I can git push builder test Sep 24 05:44:51 and it will do it Sep 24 05:46:30 tmzt: that's what our autobuilder does Sep 24 05:46:54 I'll look at it Sep 24 05:47:00 (webos-internals has a continuous integration builder, which pushes to the feeds) Sep 24 05:47:21 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/ Sep 24 06:06:35 hmm, so who was working on rdesktop previously? i see it here in the git pull under packages/x/rdesktop or at least a makefile for v 1.6 Sep 24 06:11:17 looks like dtzWill was Sep 24 06:11:40 it probably works and no-one has bothered to package it up Sep 24 06:12:29 hah, well i tried building it and got errors about recursive calls to sb2 not suported and files not found... Sep 24 06:12:57 but it's getting a bit late and i should hit the sack and screw itht his mor tomorrow when I havn't worked all day haha. Sep 24 06:14:06 btw, the make setup did bomb out on me at trying to build nova-cust-image .. vboxmanage not found... assume that was just the whole broken package bit? Sep 24 06:14:36 no, that's an i686 setup thing Sep 24 06:14:51 or maybe it's to get some bits out of the PDK to use Sep 24 06:16:46 yeah, looks like it was trying to open a virtual machine disk image... ok i'll dig around for that as well.. Sep 24 06:17:16 yep, that's to get the i686 rootfs contents if you want to build stuff for the emulator Sep 24 06:18:08 we should change the instructions to just run setup-armv7 Sep 24 06:20:26 ok, well I can install the virtualbox stuff, or I can just call make setup-armv7 ... so I called setup-armv7 and now by time i'm done typing this it's done with no errors. hah Sep 24 06:59:35 to make sure i'm not wasting my time, the mojo framework javascript that webOS actually uses is in /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo and /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo-core Sep 24 06:59:36 ? Sep 24 07:00:41 yeah, but they often do an allscriptscompressed.js thing Sep 24 07:01:16 I'm battling with that now in the enyo area, trying to fix a phone number formatting bug that stops me dialing 1800... and 1300... Sep 24 07:02:49 anyway, does this look right for a patch to submit? Sep 24 07:02:50 http://pastie.org/private/sq0rllrkzkidtra7pipjw Sep 24 07:03:20 it fixes a 1px issue in the grouped toolbars on the Pre 3 that was really bugging me (you can see it in Preware, but also any other app that uses the split toolbar buttons) Sep 24 07:05:32 I usually put an a/... and b/... in the filenames Sep 24 07:06:18 okay Sep 24 07:13:05 submitted patch Sep 24 07:14:25 once this doctor finishes.. I'll have a sprint pre2!!! thanks to rwhitby and the gang! Sep 24 07:14:41 i've got a quick question-- from within an Enyo app, is it possible to execute a shell command without having a c-service? Sep 24 07:15:00 actually, rwhitby -- isn't xecutah your app? Sep 24 07:19:27 yes Sep 24 07:19:40 excellent app by the way :) Sep 24 07:19:45 i'm working on a remote desktop app Sep 24 07:19:56 i go by the name "thecubed" on precentral Sep 24 07:19:58 IOMonster: you can have a node-service, but it can only execute a non-priv command inside the jail Sep 24 07:20:47 okay, so i wouldn't be able to launch Xserver and run a command easily without a service then Sep 24 07:20:53 since i'd be stuck inside my app's jail Sep 24 07:21:02 and Xserver resides outside of it Sep 24 07:21:16 IOMonster: if one could do that, then xecutah would not exist Sep 24 07:21:26 haha yep Sep 24 07:21:36 so, what I'm wondering is Sep 24 07:21:43 is there a way for my app to hook into xecutah? Sep 24 07:21:56 when a user clicks "connect" in my app, i'd like it to launch xserver Sep 24 07:22:02 then launch rdesktop with some commands Sep 24 07:22:30 can I make a service call to xecutah's service and request it to run a specific script? Sep 24 07:23:41 it looks like xecutah's service only supports running apps when an appid is passed to it Sep 24 07:23:47 xecutah is specifically designed to allow other apps to use it Sep 24 07:24:01 ah okay excellent Sep 24 07:24:09 is there documentation anywhere for interfacing with it? Sep 24 07:24:12 nope Sep 24 07:24:14 ~utsl Sep 24 07:24:14 methinks utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. Sep 24 07:24:25 haha Sep 24 07:24:29 sounds about right Sep 24 07:24:35 it's still in flux too Sep 24 07:24:44 where's the public repo for your app Sep 24 07:24:51 i don't have a repo set up yet Sep 24 07:25:00 i've got the source up as a zip in my thread Sep 24 07:25:15 i'm _very_ new to webos development Sep 24 07:25:40 but not android/linux -- been building android from scratch for a year or so now Sep 24 07:26:11 so, xecutah's service looks like it wants an appid passed to it Sep 24 07:26:19 then it works out the proper script to launch from the appinfo.json Sep 24 07:26:37 the only problem with that is that I need to pass arguments to my script Sep 24 07:27:01 IOMonster: where's the thread? Sep 24 07:27:15 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-apps/300550-wip-easy-remote-desktop-client-gui-done.html Sep 24 07:27:26 currently, the service takes an appid and a display argument Sep 24 07:27:50 could it be extended to allow for arbitrary script name and arguments? Sep 24 07:28:59 arbitrary script name, no (security vulnerability). arguments, yes (if sanitized) Sep 24 07:29:12 ok, I've subscribed to that thread Sep 24 07:29:42 excellent Sep 24 07:29:52 i suppose i could cheat it somehow Sep 24 07:30:00 add the script to my app's appinfo.json Sep 24 07:30:14 I don't look at appinfo.json Sep 24 07:30:31 ah, where does the script name come from? Sep 24 07:30:47 hard-coded to xecutah.sh in the appdir of the passed appid Sep 24 07:30:52 and the appid's are on a whitelist Sep 24 07:30:59 oi Sep 24 07:31:03 hmm Sep 24 07:31:10 not very pluggable i suppose Sep 24 07:31:27 oh, it's pluggable, but the whitelist is a whitelist Sep 24 07:31:51 don't want some random "Wallpaper of the week" rogue javascript app calling xecutah stuff without the user knowing Sep 24 07:32:08 we'll add any legit appids to the whitelist Sep 24 07:32:29 so, any random web app (even in Browser?) can call the service? Sep 24 07:32:57 if so, I totally understand the paranoia Sep 24 07:33:00 mojo or enyo, yes. Sep 24 07:33:12 wow Sep 24 07:33:13 okay Sep 24 07:33:16 dunno about browser apps Sep 24 07:33:18 i see the need for a whitelist Sep 24 07:33:54 could the service be extended to support passing arguments, and my app added to the whitelist? Sep 24 07:34:10 a) probably, b) yes. Sep 24 07:34:19 excellent Sep 24 07:34:28 what information do I need to provide to you? Sep 24 07:34:39 a public repo would be a good start :) Sep 24 07:34:57 haha yep, i need to set one up Sep 24 07:35:09 i've got a github account for my android stuff Sep 24 07:35:21 i just don't have git on this machine.. yet Sep 24 07:35:48 alternatively, just send me the current source so I can get an idea of what stuff you need to pass Sep 24 07:36:03 http://goo-inside.me/private/iomonster/webos/ioremote_0.1.zip Sep 24 07:36:31 i'll get git up and going, just a few mins-- i gotta make sure it doesn't interfere with my current cygwin install Sep 24 07:37:55 is startRDP where the meat will be? Sep 24 07:38:02 yep Sep 24 07:38:12 where it currently launches a dialog box Sep 24 07:38:23 and the stuff in record in saveValues is what you want to pass? Sep 24 07:38:36 yep Sep 24 07:38:46 a few other options might get added later Sep 24 07:38:56 like rdp sound enable, vnc connection speed Sep 24 07:39:03 and a bunch of other possible args Sep 24 07:39:05 what will be parsing the options at the other end? Sep 24 07:39:15 my xecutah.sh script Sep 24 07:39:21 will take the arguments Sep 24 07:39:26 and pass them to rdesktop Sep 24 07:39:41 so you'll want positional arguments rather than a json object, for example Sep 24 07:39:53 json object should be fine, i believe Sep 24 07:40:04 since i should be able to pull them out of the array in the xecutah.sh script Sep 24 07:40:20 oh, what will you use to parse the json in the script? Sep 24 07:40:33 hmm Sep 24 07:40:41 i suppose i could do it with a bunch of awk Sep 24 07:40:53 anyway, I gotta head out for about an hour. will look at it then. Sep 24 07:41:00 okay Sep 24 07:41:01 thanks Sep 24 07:41:19 we'll get this done Sep 24 07:41:27 sweet, i appreciate it Sep 24 07:41:31 release through Preware ? Sep 24 07:41:34 yep Sep 24 07:41:37 free/open source app Sep 24 07:41:52 we can put it on git.webos-internals.org if you like Sep 24 07:42:01 or at least package it there for the feeds Sep 24 07:42:16 what's the advantage of putting it in your git as opposed to github? Sep 24 07:42:34 if xecutah changes we can keep it working Sep 24 07:42:44 ah Sep 24 07:42:48 that sounds good to me Sep 24 07:42:51 (in conjuction with you of course) Sep 24 07:42:57 yep Sep 24 07:43:09 what should i do to get started on the webos git? Sep 24 07:43:37 send me an ssh key Sep 24 07:43:51 ok, going offline now, back later Sep 24 07:44:45 k thanks much Sep 24 09:31:27 does the HP Mobile Hotspot now come preinstalled? Sep 24 09:32:05 I just doctored my pre- to 2.1 and it was installed. it wasn't installed before the doctor Sep 24 11:37:42 no one is here? Sep 24 14:06:13 no vba pixi love? Sep 24 15:53:51 yo Sep 24 15:54:08 anyone know about touchpad scummvm Sep 24 16:30:19 scummvm on touchpad would be awesome ;) Sep 24 16:57:57 Optimo, looks like the source is available....let me know when you have it working :D Sep 24 17:59:50 hi Sep 24 18:10:53 is there better virtuall keyboard than florence Sep 24 18:22:28 that's the best one in my experience.. Sep 24 18:22:43 i tried 2 others and they were way worse. Sep 24 18:29:03