**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 28 02:59:56 2011 Sep 28 03:25:48 wrea: is kismet/related deps somewhere I can poke at? Sep 28 03:26:21 wrea: failing that do you have a log of the error(s) you're seeing? Sep 28 03:27:08 something to check if it can't *find* your libraries is if it's using pkg-config to do so--try setting PKG_CONFIG_LIBDIR or similar to help it out. Sep 28 03:30:34 dtzWill, http://pastebin.com/TT2nGbB0 - config.log @ 1688 Sep 28 03:32:19 wrea: (and libpcap.so is in one of those -L paths, right? (presumably the $staging_dir/usr/lib ?) Sep 28 03:38:42 Okay, that was the problem I had before. Needs a symlink to libpcap.so Sep 28 03:39:11 And now after that when enabling the client it now finds ncurses Sep 28 03:39:23 wrea: might want to try 'ldconfig -n $stagdir/usr/lib' or similar, fwiw. Sep 28 03:39:23 and I havent done anything to fix that Sep 28 03:39:52 okay well if you get stuck again let us know :), and good luck! Sep 28 03:40:07 oh wait, it finds ncurses, or no? :) Sep 28 03:40:25 Now magically it does, just needs the headers Sep 28 03:40:46 Also, how do we deal with things needing the kernel headers? Sep 28 03:41:07 That was a problem I had before it stopped working Sep 28 03:41:15 wrea: haven't encountered that, and i don't think we have any infrastructure that supports that, unfortunately. Sep 28 03:41:46 best you'll have to extract them yourself somewhere and add that to your include paths :/ Sep 28 03:43:24 Once i get it working I need to con someone into making a UI for kismet :P Sep 28 03:44:15 wrea: I also wish I had a UI helper :D Sep 28 03:45:27 Luckily I have an Airlink card that supports monitor mode for when my cables get here Sep 28 04:03:13 hi Sep 28 07:28:52 dtzWill, ping Sep 28 07:29:54 Hoot Sep 28 07:37:30 wrea: pong-ish :) Sep 28 07:38:02 dtzWill, do you happen to know who packaged pcre? Sep 28 08:03:22 ping rwhitby Sep 28 08:03:35 bedrock: syn|ack Sep 28 08:04:25 i've followed the WIDK and the buliding apps/kernels wiki pages, i have cross-compile and build all built Sep 28 08:04:38 i have installed the palm sdk .deb Sep 28 08:04:53 i can build hello Sep 28 08:05:10 but when i try and run it on my device, it doesn't work, just sits there with the pulsating icon Sep 28 08:05:36 how/when do i need to use SB2? Sep 28 08:05:46 did you use the top-level Makefile to build hello, or palm-package ? Sep 28 08:06:00 cd /srv/preware/application/hello Sep 28 08:06:03 make device Sep 28 08:06:05 make package Sep 28 08:06:12 ^ is what i did Sep 28 08:06:22 ok, that should work Sep 28 08:06:38 i have a package that installs, just doesn't appear to run Sep 28 08:06:40 you use sb2 in cross-compile.git only, nowhere else. Sep 28 08:06:49 obviously the one from preware runs :) Sep 28 08:07:00 thanks for that clarification Sep 28 08:07:14 bedrock: those Makefiles are what I use to develop and test, so they do work. Sep 28 08:07:35 they are making :) Sep 28 08:08:20 at least now i am at this point I can try building my own simple code and see if i can get any output Sep 28 08:09:19 bedrock: how are you installing them? Sep 28 08:09:29 copy to usb and preware install package from menu ? Sep 28 08:10:11 upload to box.net from pc, download to touchpad and then click browse with internalz, and click, which opens in preware and installs Sep 28 08:10:19 ok Sep 28 08:10:38 if i link you my pkg, could you take a look and see if anything obvious is wrong? Sep 28 08:11:32 this is just my build version of hello from git: http://www.box.net/shared/xoaf166qu3tgg3m8cglh Sep 28 08:12:43 looking Sep 28 08:16:49 bedrock: webOS-Packager-Version: 2.0.0b64 Sep 28 08:16:53 you need SDK 3.x for enyo Sep 28 08:17:20 2.x does not rewrite the enyo.js path Sep 28 08:18:38 bedrock: (I used ipkg-unbuild, then compared your ipk contents against the one in the feeds, and found that difference using diff -r) Sep 28 08:21:19 ok, so thats good news, i screwed something up :) Sep 28 08:21:34 when looking for the palm sdk for linux i got to here: https://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1585 Sep 28 08:21:41 do you have the correct link for 3.0 linux sdk? Sep 28 08:30:35 I package on osx Sep 28 08:40:19 nice, since the OTA update i can install patches via preware which won't install before Sep 28 08:40:50 still strange it was called "2.2.0" Sep 28 08:46:31 sorry, back now, i guess i can build on linux and package on windows if need be Sep 28 08:46:41 i'll do some more searching Sep 28 08:46:48 nearly there now :D Sep 28 08:46:57 does Uberkernel pptp? Sep 28 08:47:01 +support Sep 28 09:10:05 wrea: sorry that i ran away, and nope i don't. where is it? in widk or build.git? Sep 28 09:10:14 well i see it in WIDK Sep 28 09:11:38 i don't think it was ever meant to have the resultant library linked against Sep 28 09:12:53 hmm, haha. apparently i have pcre in packages/common/ but it's not there on master. not sure what that's about :) Sep 28 09:14:05 ah, build.git has the optware stuff. that's probably rwhitby...and git history confirms it :) Sep 28 09:27:37 rwhitby: all working now, thanks a lot for your help, now i just need to find osme time to code ;) Sep 28 09:27:46 some* Sep 28 14:37:30 Paging Dr. rwhitby Sep 28 14:40:08 hmmm... yeah, it's a bit late. Anyone knows how to make Luna refresh an app after editing it kn-device? (no, I won't restart luna) Sep 28 14:43:37 Ok, I'll lurk later, when the other 195 connected users are actually awake :-) Sep 28 14:44:09 I am awake Sep 28 14:44:20 but I would just restart luna.. Sep 28 14:44:24 :/ sorry Sep 28 14:45:13 NuttyBunny: likely we just don't have an answer Sep 28 14:46:04 hehehe... there has to be a way to just do the service call the package installers make. Well, seems like I'll have to poke inside the source... again... :-) Sep 28 14:46:44 isn't that part of what impostah does? Sep 28 14:46:48 make service calls? Sep 28 14:47:20 yep, lemme see it I find it, thanks :-) Sep 28 14:49:53 from a quick look I can't see what I'm looking for. Too bad. well, bbl, gotta "work" (ugh) Sep 28 15:10:08 Yoyoyo Sep 28 15:10:31 Save me a google search, *lazy today.. Anyone know if you can remove your HP Palm account from a touchpad without wiping the device? Sep 28 15:10:50 Selling my 16gb to a friend don't want to wipe and have to re preware it Sep 28 15:11:02 but don't want them using my account either Sep 28 15:12:29 I would factory reset it for multiple reasons Sep 28 15:13:11 I have noticed that much data can be accessed on webos if you are vaugly familiar with it Sep 28 15:29:05 dtzWill, ah. Thanks for looking. Going to be an issue using it as-is Sep 28 15:42:04 wrea: why/how so? Sep 28 15:42:16 (I'm about to step out, but will definitely read all messages when I get back) Sep 28 15:42:58 dtzWill, kismet looks for libpcre.so, so the package just needs a symlink Sep 28 15:50:56 dtzWill, I know X on webOS uses SDL, but is there any actual acceleration of the server? any available to clients? (sdl/opengl/whatever) Sep 28 16:38:17 hey guys Sep 28 16:38:37 hi Sep 28 16:38:42 did one already try the 2.2.3 doc? Sep 28 16:40:40 what's new? Sep 28 16:41:41 I haven't, but if someone were to give me a pre3... :P Sep 28 16:42:25 ;) hp gave you so many chances. ebay?^^ Sep 28 16:43:05 Yeah, I cant afford that Sep 28 16:43:12 I had a Veer, but HP stole it Sep 28 16:43:26 they stole iz? Sep 28 16:43:39 pre3 is about 250bucks now Sep 28 16:45:15 I sent it in after I got it for them to replace the screen. They screwed up and had me send it to the wrong place. I was told it was being shipped elsewhere to get it replace and also told it was being repaired at the place I sent it. All of this and they havent even updated the SRO, it still says 'waiting for device'. Sep 28 16:46:19 very strange...ask back Sep 28 16:46:40 i had my pre and pre2 sent in and both were handled very nicely Sep 28 16:46:58 I'm pretty sure if I talked to them I'd get the runaround again Sep 28 16:47:21 It *should* be on its way back by now Sep 28 16:47:56 hm...how long is it since you sent it in? Sep 28 16:48:41 I arrived at the wrong place last Monday Sep 28 16:49:43 hm think that's still okay...give them another week Sep 28 16:55:46 rwhitby? Sep 28 17:13:03 what's the rule on posting links on the WOI wiki to palm-provided doctor downloads? Sep 28 17:14:05 aren't they provided already? Sep 28 17:14:39 dwc-: not all Sep 28 17:14:51 ajay: i think the key is how your acquired that link. Sep 28 17:14:58 dtzWill: from Palm support chat Sep 28 17:15:27 that seems reasonable to me, but what do i know :) Sep 28 17:15:31 haha Sep 28 17:15:45 VzPre3Drbaby!! Sep 28 17:15:57 also 2.2.3 Sep 28 17:25:03 ajay: sounds good. if it's not acceptable we can always just remove it. you're adding it under impression it's public information and doesn't violate any agreements... seems good to me. Sep 28 17:26:11 dtzWill: haha.. but if it's removed won't it still be in the wiki history? I don't actually know enough abuot wikis, i guess there must be a permanent-purge option Sep 28 17:29:12 ajay, you mean support was actually helpful? Lucky you. :P Sep 28 17:29:48 ajay: again, if you're adding it in sincere good faith then worst case it's an honest mistake and if it's a concern we munge the history or whatever. Sep 28 17:29:51 wrea: shocking! Sep 28 17:30:22 dtzWill: I guess my concern is whether the employee was supposed to provide it or not.. Sep 28 17:30:31 so that you guys can't answer, turns out :) Sep 28 17:30:46 well i certainly don't know Sep 28 17:32:20 shouldn't a device in recovery mode be accessible from novaterm always? Sep 28 17:37:27 actually what's the newest novacom? i have .64 Sep 28 17:38:47 i think i'm just cursed, actually.. i know i did this the other day.. (novacom at least) Sep 28 17:39:15 dtzWill: she said it's going to be available soon, so guess it's fine.. ;^) Sep 28 17:52:41 wiki admins can rewrite history Sep 28 17:53:12 dwc-, ?? Sep 28 17:57:44 dwc-: you know, i was watching doctor who the other day, and i feel like he contradicted himself.. he's before said that time is fixed, but in that episode he said that history can change.. Sep 28 17:58:16 actually, it was way more precise than that, so don't quote me on that.. ;^) Sep 28 17:58:32 but what i meant to say is: wow! good on them, and i'll have to remember that history can be rewritten :) Sep 28 18:00:50 woohoo, purchased at&t pre3 on ebay... hopefully it'll arrive Sep 28 18:01:05 Sedorox: what's the goin rate? Sep 28 18:02:05 this one was $330 with a touchstone Sep 28 18:02:13 average seems to be $300-$350 Sep 28 18:02:21 Okay, now I'm back to where I was with kismet Sep 28 18:02:24 for Buy it now Sep 28 18:02:36 bids are anywhere from $50 up... and the highest seems to be about $500 Sep 28 18:02:50 some dude i know is buying up everyone's at like $150.. eek, and he said he was tired of craigslisting!! haha.. Sep 28 18:03:12 hmm Sep 28 18:03:23 I'd like to know where they are actually being sold at Sep 28 18:04:13 * ajay (tries to) whistle off to the side.. Sep 28 18:04:25 lol Sep 28 18:04:49 my wife and I both got Veer's.. and I've been holding out that I could get my hands on a Pre3.. seems thats close now Sep 28 18:05:14 i was thinking of staying away from the Pre3s but with doctors i feel more comfortable Sep 28 18:05:29 damnit if i can't turn the damn thing off when in recovery mode Sep 28 18:06:19 gtg Sep 28 18:06:29 I'm not really comfortable with other phones.. and the veer is a bit on the tiny side for me personally (though it does work)... so yea.. we'll see :) Sep 28 18:09:18 150 for a pre3? Sep 28 18:09:28 I wouldn't mind one of those Sep 28 18:09:31 Yeah Sep 28 18:13:20 dtzWill, Back to where I was. Seems like a problem with libnl and the kernel Sep 28 19:33:23 hi all, i have a pre 3 i follow the guide on the precentral forum to bypass activation using the devmode and i use impostah to activate the phone as a france device with my old palm account (i use this account in a pre- with webos 2.0) but on the pre3 on account i still see dr skipped first use instead my account so i delete it with impostah but now i'm without any palm profile (so no sync and restore of app) but i can downloa Sep 28 19:33:28 d new app (only free) from the catalog Sep 28 19:34:06 and also on my old pre- i receive a message to logout from palm profile restart the device once restarted i need to reactivate it ??!!!! Sep 28 19:34:11 can anyone help me ? Sep 28 19:37:43 any of you know if there are any good epub readers for webos? Sep 28 19:38:00 I have pReader but thats a peice of junk. Sep 28 19:38:41 Darkmagister: if you want to kill skipped-first-use, erase the device and sign in like normal Sep 28 19:38:56 and yes, you can only have one phone on a profile, so the pre- will be logged out Sep 28 19:39:15 what ?? i can't have two phone with one profile??? Sep 28 19:40:15 yes but if i erase or doctor the phone i have to re activate (or do the first use) but i don't whant because i don't have a 3g contract so i can't use data to log in to my account .... Sep 28 19:40:49 the only way i know to bypass activation it's to enable devmode ... but this is the problem of dr skipped firstuse Sep 28 20:03:44 Darkmagister: then log in with impostah but don't sign out Sep 28 20:05:18 but it's not work :( ok work for the catalog but no sms ... and no hp webos on account list Sep 28 20:05:30 i have to go see you and thanks :( Sep 28 20:05:38 grrr, they should provide veer doctors too Sep 28 20:08:25 veer 2.2 doctors* Sep 28 20:19:34 I want my Pre2 2.2 update o.O Sep 28 20:43:31 I want both! Sep 28 20:43:43 be nice to have official enyo on the pre2 Sep 28 20:43:50 and T2S on the veer Sep 28 20:46:31 Enyo wouldnt work on Pre2. The screen is too small to effectively use it... Sep 28 20:47:20 or would it..... Sep 28 20:49:57 Well, the only aspect that wouldnt work well is the sliding panes. Sep 28 20:50:10 I like how the buttons look and such though Sep 28 20:50:31 Maybe I can replace those manually via filename changes Sep 28 21:12:38 hoot Sep 28 21:16:25 Anyone here familiar with the Pre2 on Sprint process Sep 28 21:16:49 I did it Sep 28 21:16:51 Me Sep 28 21:16:58 depends on how you define "familiar" Sep 28 21:17:24 summatusmentis: I ended up having plans for those 4 pre2's I had btw Sep 28 21:17:55 that's ok, I found one :) Sep 28 21:19:44 Finally getting around to using them. Next week I have to frankenpre two of them. Sep 28 21:19:56 Hoping I dont screw up the volume rocker Sep 28 21:20:27 hey guys, I'm seeking a little help and this is my last resort. I can't for the life of me find/add the feed for f15c kernel.. Prepare won't allow it.. Help Sep 28 21:20:51 *preware Sep 28 21:21:01 What do you mean wont allow it Sep 28 21:21:13 can't add a feed Sep 28 21:21:52 The question I have is, if you have a device with everything already done, comboard is in, can it be activated Sep 28 21:22:17 Did you follow testing.preware.org boostnek9 ? Sep 28 21:22:43 I was one of the first four to get it working back in January. But I am working to sell it now Sep 28 21:22:49 CTLAdvance: its recommended you activate before switching comm boards Sep 28 21:22:53 ok Sep 28 21:23:12 What happens if you dont? It may not provision? Sep 28 21:23:21 Sprint should add it to the line regardless Sep 28 21:23:43 I dont remember the reasons specifically Sep 28 21:25:47 looks like its just the PRL, which should be irrelevant for sprint service Sep 28 21:26:18 Hell I never did this Sep 28 21:27:05 sorry irc stopped responding Sep 28 21:27:53 Did you follow testing.preware.org boostnek9 ? Sep 28 21:28:04 yes I did Sep 28 21:28:20 read it over and over and tried it over and over Sep 28 21:29:22 It should add them automatically, not manually Sep 28 21:29:39 I'm just having issues with the preware.is.awesome.com feed.. Sep 28 21:30:12 which is where the kernel is located I beleive Sep 28 21:30:37 the volume rocker is pretty easy, just don't apply too much pressure Sep 28 21:30:43 I know of no preware.is.awesome.com feed mentioned at testing.preware.org Sep 28 21:31:26 I always feel like I'm going to rip it off (which is unrepairable) Sep 28 21:32:27 I know its not. All the feeds mentioned at testing.preware.com are added to preware since I followed the instructions but I want the f15c kernel and can't find it Sep 28 21:33:06 what device? Sep 28 21:33:18 touchpad 32gb Sep 28 21:33:26 it's in the beta kernels feed Sep 28 21:33:38 iirc Sep 28 21:34:08 nope, nevermind. it's in the alpha Sep 28 21:34:10 I look under kernels in preware and its not there Sep 28 21:34:30 its in alpha? Sep 28 21:34:34 yep Sep 28 21:34:46 Why use that url? Sep 28 21:34:46 The ipk is located in the beta feed at ipkg.preware.org Sep 28 21:35:15 why can't I see it? Sep 28 21:35:51 there appears to be an ipk there, but it's not listed in Packages Sep 28 21:36:06 so it won't be in preware Sep 28 21:36:29 Hmmm dont I remember f15c was unsupported? Sep 28 21:36:40 Like a few weeks back Sep 28 21:36:41 but it is in the alpha Packages Sep 28 21:36:53 you guys using uberkernel? Sep 28 21:36:59 Yep Sep 28 21:37:09 * scoutcamper mumbles something about git knowing the answers Sep 28 21:37:18 -55 might have been in beta at one point, but there's new versions in the alpha dirs Sep 28 21:37:31 is it that much more stable? Sep 28 21:37:36 Just use UK Sep 28 21:37:42 Yea Sep 28 21:38:04 Alpha and beta improvements are minimal at most Sep 28 21:38:04 hmm.. Maybe I should stick to this thrn Sep 28 21:38:53 Just set the profile right. Sep 28 21:39:36 woo! Sep 28 21:39:45 * LarrySteeze just had a battery blow up in his face Sep 28 21:39:47 and one more question..where can I find feeds to add? Or are there anymore? Sep 28 21:40:01 LarrySteeze, !!! howd that happen? Sep 28 21:40:20 went to replace harmony one battery Sep 28 21:40:31 it wouldn't come out, looked a bit bloated Sep 28 21:40:38 so I forced it out Sep 28 21:41:47 :\ Sep 28 21:47:02 * LarrySteeze is on hold with logitech now :-\ Sep 28 22:06:36 /topic Sep 28 22:07:00 hi LunohoD Sep 28 22:08:43 hi ka6sox Sep 28 22:09:18 I believe you were saying that it is not too difficult to get xrandr support for the X-server we have? Sep 28 22:10:11 yes Sep 28 22:10:51 is that something you could work on for us? Sep 28 22:11:12 I could try Sep 28 22:11:13 dtzWill is rather overloaded at the moment. Sep 28 22:11:24 LunohoD, thanks...we would appreciate that. Sep 28 22:11:39 LarrySteeze: moral of the story, if a battery looks bloated, leave it alone :) Sep 28 22:12:07 LunohoD, if you have an questions about things let us know. Sep 28 22:12:11 do you know that online shop URL, where you can buy some free time? I badly need it right now ;) Sep 28 22:12:37 LunohoD, I'm sure that would be a very very busy store. Sep 28 22:12:37 LunohoD, if you find it, ka6sox could sure use it Sep 28 22:12:48 :) Sep 28 22:15:54 don't tell my employer where that is Sep 28 22:16:10 or they'll keep buying me more Sep 28 22:16:10 << Has slave driver for a Boss. Sep 28 22:16:22 "since you have a bunch of free time now..." Sep 28 22:24:12 dtzWill, got all my configure errors fixed, the last one I had to switch from libnl 2.0 to 1.x. Now its a stupid make error Sep 28 22:26:59 LunohoD: I don't, but you can get an easy button from staples Sep 28 22:53:47 oh yea, that doesn't surprise me... libnl changes a lot... not too many projects have jumped to supporting 2.0 yet Sep 28 23:21:09 dwc-, well, kismet supports both. Sep 28 23:34:39 Other problem solved too Sep 28 23:36:11 yea, but maybe not the same version of libnl2.x that you have... Sep 28 23:41:03 Only one version out and thats 2.0 Sep 28 23:41:34 Not too big of a deal. I just had to change 4 lines in my makefile to switch to 1.x Sep 28 23:56:03 Compiling doesn't error out Sep 29 00:05:18 so i just got my touchpad.. Sep 29 00:05:23 how do i open a terminal? Sep 29 00:05:53 i tried installing this SDLTerminal thing but it won't open for some reason - no error messages, no nothing Sep 29 00:06:32 hmmmm: sdlterminal hasn't worked for a long time. Sep 29 00:06:37 hmmmm: install xecutah. Sep 29 00:09:49 wrea: libnl for awhile only existed in a git repo... there was no release Sep 29 00:10:05 but, either way, glad you got your issue resolved Sep 29 00:10:29 awesome Sep 29 00:11:04 it seems like the keyboard is cutting off the bottom of my xterm Sep 29 00:11:09 anything i can do about that? Sep 29 00:11:29 yep, read the Tip in Xecutah Sep 29 00:12:00 the one that's sitting directly underneath where you clicked to start XTerm. Sep 29 00:12:11 also, how do i make it so that i don't have to press shift for a forward slash? Sep 29 00:12:46 use a bluetooth keyboard Sep 29 00:18:14 there's no way to remap it? Sep 29 00:20:27 i think some people have dome hacking on the software keyboard, but i don't know the detail. there might be info on the precentral forum. Sep 29 00:20:55 Hm. That reminds me that I was going to try and track down the dvorak layout Sep 29 00:21:21 there's no danger in changing the hostname, right? Sep 29 00:25:30 Hm. http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Changing_keyboard_layout_on_Touchpad Sep 29 00:35:48 i never realized how inconvenient it is to download and install things manually since there's no package manager Sep 29 00:36:00 i see a /bin/busybox. is this a busybox distro underneath? Sep 29 00:36:22 hmmmm: no package manager? Sep 29 00:36:53 well i don't see any pkgadd, pkg_add, dpkg, or anything like that Sep 29 00:36:53 hmmmm: I presume you've already read http://bit.ly/phd-ac Sep 29 00:37:08 haven't read that yet. Sep 29 00:37:09 thanks Sep 29 00:37:24 it uses ipkg. which is common enough for embedded distributions Sep 29 00:37:33 smells like dpkg, but with the useful bits removed Sep 29 00:37:40 hmmmm: for command line, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware Sep 29 00:38:10 don't try and use the stock ipkg command. Unless you know exactly what you are doing, you'll overwrite key system files. Sep 29 00:38:37 in particular, using 'ipkg' with a -o option is always the wrong thing to do. Sep 29 00:38:56 and using it without a -o option will break things Sep 29 00:39:05 i wish ipkg command-line options mirrored dpkg better :/ Sep 29 00:39:25 directhex: write a wrapper script Sep 29 00:39:52 rwhitby: the "wrapper for idiot debian developers" script? good idea Sep 29 00:40:11 hmm Sep 29 00:40:20 there's no xsetroot with this Xwhatever Sep 29 00:40:32 of course, in general wrapper scripts to make one thing work like another thing usually end up in tears Sep 29 00:40:58 hmmmm: the "tweaks" app in preware allows teaking the xetrm settings Sep 29 00:41:05 yeah... Sep 29 00:41:12 change the background color and foreground color Sep 29 00:41:32 ideally, i'd like to run xfce Terminal with a pseudotransparent background Sep 29 00:42:11 go for it: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK Sep 29 00:42:26 or http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Sep 29 00:42:32 (for a pre-packaged experience) Sep 29 00:42:44 i don't like ubuntu though Sep 29 00:42:52 or http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/DebianChroot for the purist Sep 29 00:43:16 what about www.linuxfromscratch.org/ for the purist Sep 29 00:43:37 i think the arch users are all too busy showing each other how awesome and minimalist their installs are to contribute an xecutah-compatible chroot Sep 29 00:43:39 dwc-: sure, we'll accept such a contribution in a second Sep 29 00:43:51 dwc-: when will you have it ready? Sep 29 00:43:57 Hey guys. Question, is there a way to enable the keyboard in XTerm (need to run command to get internet). Sep 29 00:44:14 rwhitby: I won't, because I'm not that much of a purist. I'm much more pragmatic than that Sep 29 00:44:20 Templarian: update to 3.0.2 first (as specified in Xecutah package description) Sep 29 00:44:28 though I suppose an LFS chroot would be pretty tiny.... Sep 29 00:44:55 yeah, cause on a 32GB device you really need to get your rootfs smaller than 70MB. Sep 29 00:45:01 what is the luna account? Sep 29 00:45:39 the account used by luna. Sep 29 00:45:58 what is luna Sep 29 00:46:04 i've seen that word a couple of times Sep 29 00:46:25 window manager in webos. Sep 29 00:46:36 i see Sep 29 00:47:37 the whole windowing system too, isn't it? more than just a WM Sep 29 00:47:52 Can I get the 3.0.2 update over usb or download only? Sep 29 00:48:11 Templarian: you can doctor (reformat) with the 3.0.2 doctor over usb Sep 29 00:48:14 Luna is the whole user interface subsystem. Effectively webOS is Luna with some javascript on top. Sep 29 00:48:17 anyone remember what the default pdf reader for ubuntu is called? Sep 29 00:48:17 !!!?!?! Sep 29 00:48:20 it doesn't have netstat now Sep 29 00:48:29 Jack87: evince? Sep 29 00:48:31 I think I'll run across the street to starbucks. Sep 29 00:48:40 so i guess that if i want these i'd have to compile them myself? Sep 29 00:48:54 it's in optware Sep 29 00:48:57 if you want to add it Sep 29 00:49:07 i think the name is along the lines of 'preview'? Sep 29 00:49:10 hmmmm: did you check preware? Sep 29 00:49:19 Jack87: evince? Sep 29 00:49:32 i think that's some gui version Sep 29 00:49:38 evince is the default Sep 29 00:49:44 directhex, thanks Sep 29 00:49:58 thanks guys Sep 29 00:50:14 hmmmm: I get the feeling you have unreasonable expectations of your TouchPad being some sort of desktop linux system, rather than Linux just being an underlying kernel and minimalist userspace on which to run webOS. Sep 29 00:50:45 You won't find what you're looking for out of the box. You will need to research and install homebrew stuff. Sep 29 00:51:04 yeah, that's true Sep 29 00:51:25 but seriously, i'd expect it to at least have netstat Sep 29 00:51:30 why? Sep 29 00:51:31 hmmmm: why? Sep 29 00:51:33 why? Sep 29 00:51:36 because Sep 29 00:51:42 it's such an essential tool Sep 29 00:51:47 not for webOS Sep 29 00:51:49 that's not a very good reason Sep 29 00:51:50 bzzzt...not good enough, not necessary. Sep 29 00:52:10 there's no way to run it from the webOS user interface, therefore it's superfluous. Sep 29 00:52:18 which mobile phones ship with netstat, precisely? Sep 29 00:52:30 it *is* in Optware iirc. Sep 29 00:52:32 alright. so my list of things to compile so far are: openssh, netstat, man, aterm Sep 29 00:52:38 openssh is on there. Sep 29 00:52:44 in preware Sep 29 00:52:53 in Preware:Optware. Sep 29 00:53:03 hmmmm: seriously, read http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware which I linked to before Sep 29 00:56:56 Dr. Grumpy: "Are you allergic to any medications?" Sep 29 00:56:56 Mrs. Morton: "Yes, ether makes me lose consciousness." Sep 29 00:57:01 Bah, sorry. Sep 29 01:00:57 so I'm seeing tweets about verizon pre3 doctor updates Sep 29 01:01:11 well, a doctor Sep 29 01:01:50 is there a phone? I didnt know one existed? Sep 29 01:02:19 it exists, but was never released Sep 29 01:02:32 there seems to be some in the wild Sep 29 01:03:10 sucks that it seems so close yet so far away... I feel like I'll never see one Sep 29 01:04:41 directhex, dwc-, evince is working great in chroot. thank you! Sep 29 01:07:44 think that ebay auction is for real? almosy $800? Sep 29 01:08:12 Looks like my cables will get here tomorrow Sep 29 01:09:21 dang... certainly sounds real Sep 29 01:09:29 kevets_: yep, that's about the market price for a VZW Pre 3 at the moment Sep 29 01:10:43 Has anyone messed with the Ad Hoc fix does it work? Sep 29 01:10:45 jeeez this could not be any worse, finally seeing it exists on my network and not being available. sure lots feel this way though Sep 29 01:11:48 kevets_: my network still has a support page for the pre3, yet never shipped it. http://help.orange.co.uk/orangeuk/support/personal/615671 Sep 29 01:12:30 man that is rough Sep 29 01:12:41 bonus points: pre-release manual referring to the "HP XXX" Sep 29 01:54:25