**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 29 02:59:56 2011 Sep 29 03:00:20 I might be able to test kismet out tomorrow. I'll just need a module compiled for my card Sep 29 03:13:16 hmmmm: check in http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/Packages.filelist (warning, big file) for what optware package particular executables can be found Sep 29 03:13:20 hey Sep 29 03:13:29 hmmmm: for example, I believe netstat is in net-utils package (like in Debian) Sep 29 03:13:32 yeah, i was looking through ipkg-opt list Sep 29 03:13:38 net-utils you say? Sep 29 03:13:48 oh, net-tools Sep 29 03:13:51 didn't know that-- i've never had to install netstat or anything like that Sep 29 03:14:17 also, where/whereis is actually distributed under which Sep 29 03:14:41 whereis is in util-linux-ng Sep 29 03:15:12 what's up with sshd? Sep 29 03:15:24 insufficent information Sep 29 03:15:32 when i go to log in as any user i get Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive) Sep 29 03:16:02 also, where is the master.passwd file on the touchpad? Sep 29 03:16:04 webOS doesn't have users, only root Sep 29 03:16:17 what are you talking about? it clearly has lots of users Sep 29 03:16:22 cat /etc/passwd Sep 29 03:16:33 hmmmm: BTW, webOS root filesystem is built using OpenEmbedded Sep 29 03:16:41 any of them have a shell? Sep 29 03:16:49 ka6sox: ?? Sep 29 03:16:58 oh, the users in the passwd file? Sep 29 03:16:59 no Sep 29 03:17:05 do any of the users in /etc/passwd have a shell Sep 29 03:17:06 hmmmm: what background are you coming from? Sep 29 03:17:21 what do ou mean Sep 29 03:17:29 hmmmm: cause your questions just aren't lining up with what you can expect from Linux under webOS Sep 29 03:17:33 ka6sox: actually i just checked, all of them do except for oprofile and luna Sep 29 03:17:53 are you a debian developer, ubuntu developer, arch, LFS, end-user only ? what's your background? Sep 29 03:17:54 they all have /bin/sh as their shell? Sep 29 03:18:06 yep Sep 29 03:18:15 /bin/false for luna and oprofile though Sep 29 03:18:20 rwhitby, freebsd Sep 29 03:18:32 i don't really use linux much Sep 29 03:18:41 ah, ok. you'll find almost nothing will be familiar to you then. Sep 29 03:18:43 like this is my only computer running linux Sep 29 03:19:06 I'll stop trying to give you answers that make sense to someone familiar with linux then. Sep 29 03:19:39 oh, ka6sox, actually the user sync has /bin/sync as its shell Sep 29 03:19:47 the rest honestly are /bin/sh Sep 29 03:19:59 and do they have login privs? Sep 29 03:20:30 how can i tell that? Sep 29 03:21:03 read up on /etc/passwd for linux. Sep 29 03:25:26 by logon privileges, i assume you mean their shell isn't /bin/false or /sbin/nologin? Sep 29 03:26:53 hmmmm: telnet is in inetutils Sep 29 03:27:11 and netstat shipped with the pre2 Sep 29 03:27:21 mm Sep 29 03:27:25 I recall not seeing it on the touchpad Sep 29 03:27:32 not not caring enough to have installed it Sep 29 03:28:36 how do you scan for other wlan users on linux? Sep 29 03:28:47 apparently, ifconfig eth0 up scan doesn't work Sep 29 03:28:56 there's no man page either.. Sep 29 03:29:10 iw/iwconfig Sep 29 03:29:31 ah thanks. Sep 29 03:30:01 the current scan results are usually accessed through iwlist Sep 29 03:30:29 iw is supposedly the successor to the previous iw* commands Sep 29 03:30:46 touchpad doesn't seem to have iw Sep 29 03:30:55 yep Sep 29 03:31:24 alright - so like i was mentioning before Sep 29 03:31:28 hey can i ask someone a patch question Sep 29 03:31:49 xecutah with Aterm instead of xterm and xsetbg Sep 29 03:31:52 is it possible? Sep 29 03:32:09 xsetroot rather heh Sep 29 03:33:07 sure Sep 29 03:33:20 you need an aterm built for arm Sep 29 03:33:57 is anyone working on a browser patch that fixes the problem where when you hit the back button the page does not auto scroll to your previous location on the page? Sep 29 03:34:19 urgh that browser is ass Sep 29 03:34:38 I hate that about the touchpad browser Sep 29 03:34:45 it did it less on the phones Sep 29 03:34:46 i know, and the fact that it lacks that simple function is killing me Sep 29 03:34:58 it makes browsing painful Sep 29 03:35:08 the tablet was made for browsing websites Sep 29 03:35:38 haha yep the irony Sep 29 03:36:06 i am a developer, but i am brand new to developing for the touchpad so i dont really know what is going on Sep 29 03:36:27 but i figured if no one has a patch for that problem, i would make one Sep 29 03:36:37 hmmmm: btw, you might want to enable passworded logins if you're still trying that Sep 29 03:36:39 same -- i'll start by compiling an optware for xsetroot and aterm so you can get a pseudotransparent terminal that doesn't look like butt Sep 29 03:36:45 oh, i forgot about that problem Sep 29 03:36:47 will do. Sep 29 03:37:50 do you guys know if there are any good tutorials written up on getting started with patch dev? Sep 29 03:38:47 step 1. be familiar with the language the stuff you're patching is in Sep 29 03:39:01 step 2. make desired changes Sep 29 03:39:41 stupid question but... how do you simulate arrow keys Sep 29 03:40:35 yea but we dont have code for the browser, how are people hooking in with their patches, how do you test? Sep 29 03:40:53 i just need an example that shows the basics Sep 29 03:41:59 easiest way is probably, go to precentral, find one of the patches Sep 29 03:42:04 and download it from there Sep 29 03:42:47 if you have an .ipk from the patches site, you can extract that (dpkg -x) Sep 29 03:43:46 ok cool thats a good idea Sep 29 03:44:52 I lost track of where the git repo was that tracked the stuff that gets built into the .ipks Sep 29 03:45:02 the current one isn't where I thought it was anymore Sep 29 03:46:45 i think it is here http://git.webos-internals.org/ Sep 29 03:47:21 github.com/webos-internals/patches.git Sep 29 03:47:28 it used to be on gitorious Sep 29 03:51:39 thanks Sep 29 03:55:02 ?? Sep 29 03:55:08 nobody? Sep 29 03:55:51 anyone tried to make pulseaudio work with a usb sound card? Sep 29 03:58:01 I don't have my TP with me, and I don't remember the ANSI seq Sep 29 03:58:13 maybe ctrl [ A Sep 29 03:58:19 I forget Sep 29 03:59:18 err, ESC [ A Sep 29 04:00:21 hewball: ... on the touchpad? Sep 29 04:00:31 dwc-: yes Sep 29 04:00:54 I would guess it would work, do you have the appropriate drivers installed? Sep 29 04:01:29 dmesg picked it up, havnt look that hard yet, was wondering if anyone had tried Sep 29 04:01:46 I don't think pulse cares much about what provides its backend as long as it's compliant Sep 29 04:02:12 reason for it, currently ipad is used in car for audio via an optical USB soundcard, wanna change it to the touchpad Sep 29 04:02:36 I know on my work desktop, pulse works with my usb headset Sep 29 04:03:33 so it's detected, but does it have a driver? that's the important thing Sep 29 04:03:51 yeah not sure cant remember that much, i should go test it again Sep 29 04:09:43 hey guys - does anyone have pre3 experience with metadoctor? Sep 29 04:10:37 i'm trying to chuck together a new image with a custom carrier file... i don't like the att customizations - i especially don't like that skype was taken off! Sep 29 04:10:51 when i try to run the doctor i'm getting an Installer.xml parsing error Sep 29 04:11:03 i'm assuming this has something to do with os/x's version of gnu tar? Sep 29 04:13:21 anyone? Sep 29 04:13:49 (perhaps i'm here at an odd hour - if anyone has any input let me know, i'll leave IRC open. in the meanwhile i'll get an ubuntu install working and try it that way) Sep 29 04:54:11 not sure if this is the right place... but where to i report a (needed) edit to a 2.1.0 meta-doctor script? Sep 29 04:54:53 probably Sep 29 05:00:23 *shrug... well if someone notices and knows who to tell... the top of the verizon-preplus script says "pre2-p102eww-verizonwireless-2.1.0" and should instead say "pre2-p102eww-verizon-2.1.0" without the "wireless"... Sep 29 05:01:25 and thanks! other than that, the process has been fantastic... Sep 29 05:07:41 rwhitby: ^ Sep 29 05:13:51 the script looks correct to me Sep 29 05:14:40 ah, I see, the BUILD var Sep 29 05:16:33 fixed and pushed Sep 29 05:16:34 rwhitby: yep, same conclusion :). Sep 29 05:16:35 xD Sep 29 05:16:42 aw, beat me to it, hehe. Sep 29 05:18:46 jartan: hi Sep 29 05:19:24 jartan: meta-doctor is developed on os-x, so I doubt that's the problem Sep 29 07:07:39 Hello Sep 29 07:08:34 I wanted to test Linphone and according to the wiki page i should ask here?! Sep 29 07:12:31 Denoyse, rwhitby is your man Sep 29 07:13:05 thx Sep 29 07:14:01 Denoyse: links are in the thread Sep 29 07:14:35 oh, ok Sep 29 07:14:41 Denoyse: which page still says that? Sep 29 07:14:45 hi ka6sox did zou know some vnc perfoamnce imporovemnts maybe Sep 29 07:15:26 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Linphone "At the moment, to get Linphone you have to already have a good understanding of VoIP (the open standard SIP kind, not the closed proprietary Skype kind) and make yourself known in the irc://chat.freenode.net/webos-internals…" Sep 29 07:15:38 technikfreak45, have had no time to work on that... Sep 29 07:15:49 working on something else right now. Sep 29 07:16:09 someone is working on a different VNC client though... Sep 29 07:16:29 Denoyse: thanks, I've updated that now. Sep 29 07:16:37 technikfreak45, his current work might bring forth some vnc goodness if extra efforts are put to play when he is done Sep 29 07:17:07 rwhitby: ok, found the links now, i hope it will work on the pre3, even if not mentioned Sep 29 07:17:10 * ka6sox goes back to working on makefiles :) Sep 29 07:18:05 what is the work actuallz that i could run mutpilte xserver instances_ Sep 29 07:19:11 technikfreak45, already done Sep 29 07:19:22 works now Sep 29 07:19:26 yueah i ahve updatet it yesterday Sep 29 07:19:28 works good Sep 29 07:19:31 yup Sep 29 07:19:49 so what are the next plans? Sep 29 07:19:56 now I am working on applications that can go in those individual cards. Sep 29 07:20:07 technikfreak45, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Xapps Sep 29 07:20:08 first one is in Alpha Sep 29 07:20:18 ah Sep 29 07:20:51 so that i coudl directly start libre office Sep 29 07:21:00 in a card from webos Sep 29 07:21:12 now I have to get the builder to create multiple versions depending which distros we have chroots for. Sep 29 07:21:13 withotu start the the app in the x server Sep 29 07:21:31 it starts an X-server and assigns it to the app. Sep 29 07:21:47 technikfreak45, if you feel like you can alpha test.. xchat is in the feed Sep 29 07:21:49 and calls the App directly from webos. Sep 29 07:27:21 #Nice Sep 29 07:30:00 are help requests for linphone on-topic here? Sep 29 07:30:27 rwhitby sure writes some nice makefiles :D Sep 29 07:31:13 Denoyse: the developer is never here Sep 29 07:31:27 ka6sox, haha i love metadoctor Sep 29 07:31:36 rwhitby: it is more an installing problem Sep 29 07:31:58 ka6sox, looking at that make file is like looking at a work of art almost Sep 29 07:32:45 one of these days I'll find a better tool to do stuff with than make and shell Sep 29 07:33:13 rwhitby: in cryptofs, no folder is createt. there are multiple lines like "cp: can't stat…." when i try to install Sep 29 07:33:47 rwhitby: i do not have to do something like opening cryptofs rw like /, do i? Sep 29 07:35:28 Denoyse: since we have no idea how you are installing it, it's impossible to provide and assistance Sep 29 07:35:33 ~smart-questions Sep 29 07:35:33 i guess smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Sep 29 07:35:56 http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/support/kernel.mk will be modded to do what I need... Sep 29 07:36:21 *this* is the power of FOSS...code reuse :D Sep 29 07:36:23 rwhitby: ipkg install … on commandline, but i will try to use other methods, now Sep 29 07:36:26 no infobot, smarter-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - How To Ask Questions The Smart Way Sep 29 07:36:40 ~smarter-questions Sep 29 07:36:51 uhoh, did I break it... Sep 29 07:36:57 Denoyse: where did you read that "ipkg install" is the way to install packages? Sep 29 07:37:00 * dwc- wanders off to /query Sep 29 07:37:17 dwc-: s/er// Sep 29 07:37:23 rwhitby: i installed preware that way Sep 29 07:37:25 oh. hah. Sep 29 07:37:33 no infobot, smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - How To Ask Questions The Smart Way Sep 29 07:37:46 Denoyse: where did you read that "ipkg install" is the way to install Preware? Sep 29 07:38:24 rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware#Installing_Preware_from_the_command_line Sep 29 07:39:33 that says to run a specific script, which contains much much more than "ipkg install" Sep 29 07:39:48 what is rdesktop for an app_ Sep 29 07:39:53 "ipkg install" is always the wrong way to install a package Sep 29 07:40:35 rwhitby: preware did it, sry to waste your time -.- i installed an other package via commandline, that was not in preware, worked for me Sep 29 07:40:44 well it's wrong. Sep 29 07:40:53 got that :-/ Sep 29 07:41:07 for a start, neither prerm or postinst scripts get run Sep 29 07:41:25 secondly, 99% of people forget the -o switch and then complain that their rootfs has filled up Sep 29 07:41:42 no, i got that switch Sep 29 07:41:48 thirdly, Preware has an "Install Package" menu item specifically written for this situation Sep 29 07:42:30 Denoyse: yet you didn't say so when asked how you installed it. you just said "ipkg install" Sep 29 07:42:34 i found that, so, however, i will start testing linphone and will post my test report in the wiki Sep 29 07:46:44 @technikfreak45: I'm the guy behind one of the VNC efforts (TigerVNC), and with any luck I'll put out a new build tonight which makes right-clicking a bit more sane. ^_^ Sep 29 07:47:13 Soruk: sounds like an intresting app Sep 29 07:47:59 I would prefer a native app, vs a x11 one, lol Sep 29 07:48:39 It's a port of the Linux app, so runs in Xecutah. Anyway, can't stay and chat, I'm already late for work >_< Sep 29 07:49:11 there's a native one in the HP app store, but I can't get it to work on my TP. Hence my effort. Sep 29 08:03:22 cool Sep 29 08:03:33 Soruk : will this be at the beta feeds? Sep 29 08:04:17 technikfreak45, alpha then beta Sep 29 08:04:41 depends on how bleeding edge you want to be :D Sep 29 08:14:15 i usally go alpha Sep 29 08:43:04 At the moment you have to download it from the forum, save it in /media/internal on your TP then install it with Preware (Install package, then Browse). Also, you need to make a small change detailed in posts 43/75/80 (all the same change) of the TigerVNC thread. Sep 29 08:46:54 okie, back to work ^_^ Sep 29 08:52:16 thanks Sep 29 09:05:18 ANy one had problems with the Per3 and it not finding wifi networks (possible a Ch13 issue) Sep 29 09:05:40 Works find on the Veer and Pixi, just the Pre3 that will not find the network Sep 29 09:23:50 Hiya Sep 29 09:24:40 Noticed my Pre3 can't send mails using POP if the server port is changed from standard 25 or SSL is added, is this a known bug? Sep 29 09:25:07 Had to revert back to the old Pre for now. Sep 29 09:31:36 pop has nothing to do with port 25 Sep 29 09:33:54 and obviously you can only specify smtp ports that the server is actually listening on Sep 29 09:35:39 a good mail provider should support port 587 + tls, or at least port 25 + tls Sep 29 09:36:47 you can't send mails using POP. POP3 is a protocol for reading mail only. Sep 29 09:41:06 Ok, but you get my point. :) Sep 29 09:41:36 As soon as you change from standard settings it wont send emails. Sep 29 09:42:40 Doesnt really matter that the provider support SSL and port 465 because as soon as you change from default settings its bugged. Sep 29 09:42:58 i use port 587 for my smtp on my pre43 Sep 29 09:43:00 pre3 Sep 29 09:44:21 ssl 465 aint working for me and not changing default settings to 2525. But when I try port 110 it works fine but not all suppliers support that. Sep 29 09:44:39 110 isn't an SMTP port Sep 29 09:45:31 110 is pop3 Sep 29 09:46:31 you set the incoming (pop3 or imap) and outgoing (smtp) server and port details separately. you won't get much love using your pop3 details in the smtp box, and vice versa. Sep 29 09:47:41 Its nothing wrong with the settings, off course they are different, been working on my Pre for two years now but wont work on Pre3. Sep 29 09:49:04 well, 587+tls works for me on tp and old pre with webos 2.1 Sep 29 09:50:06 you could try routing through usb or somewhere else where you can sniff packets, or perhaps install tcpdump on your device, and try finding out what happens Sep 29 09:51:24 RichT23, US-model pre3? Sep 29 09:51:48 german Sep 29 09:52:03 is tcpdum in preware? Sep 29 09:52:10 *tcpdump* Sep 29 09:52:26 directhex: nope its a UK pre3 Sep 29 09:52:38 directhex: it does find it sometimes Sep 29 09:52:52 Andreas_: oh, that reminds me: you are sure it isn't a cert trust problem? Sep 29 09:53:00 connects then drops minutes later Sep 29 09:53:29 i gives a error that the selected encryption is not supported by the server when i check the Outbox. Sep 29 09:53:54 I don tthink its a genral Wifi issue as it connects fine to my work network Sep 29 09:54:05 tls for 25 and 587, ssl for 465? Sep 29 09:54:09 i wonder if there's a cert issue. webos doesn't talk to smtp servers with untrusted certs Sep 29 09:54:28 had to change the company smtp cert for my pre3 Sep 29 09:54:38 well, but webos would talk to smtp servers without a cert if you don't select tls/ssl Sep 29 09:54:57 hehe, can you not import the certs? Sep 29 09:55:03 yes you can Sep 29 09:55:13 many ISPs block port 25 to anything but their own servers though, as a super secure anti-spam method Sep 29 09:55:47 directhex: we do that for some large dhcp and vpn network at our university too Sep 29 09:55:59 If use a different server that supports port 25 with no auth and encryption it works fine but when I select encryption and/lr the port number it gives me error. Sep 29 09:55:59 solved all our spam abuse problems Sep 29 09:56:47 Andreas_: again: ssl won't work on port 25 or 587. they start in plain text and use startTLS Sep 29 09:56:48 So its most likely server side then? Sep 29 09:57:01 ssl 465 Sep 29 09:57:03 so you can only select tls for those two Sep 29 09:57:03 openssl s_client ? Sep 29 09:57:34 i have several accounts, thats why you see me mention 465 and 2525 Sep 29 09:58:25 stbuehler: wont ssl 465 work? Sep 29 10:43:40 I had to redo the certs on my mail server to be able to connect my TP. I had to create my own root certificate, and use that to sign my SSL cert. I then had to import my root cert to the TP before the connection worked. Sep 29 10:57:36 Anyone on webOS 2.x that could check the calendar? Top bar says "Today," but when flicking to other dates it wont show day or date like it did on webOS 1.4.5 Sep 29 11:02:43 Soruk: So I guess it could be the same with the Pre3? Sep 29 11:03:06 Would a ISP give out such a cert or am I screwed? Sep 29 11:07:13 Andreas_: ssl 465 should work, but 465 is not mentioned in any standard afaik, just microsoft bullshit :) tls is fine, no reason to use 465 unless you have an old ms outlook version that doesn't support tls Sep 29 11:08:07 and a real isp should have certs that are trusted on your device by default, but you could test that with openssl s_client Sep 29 11:09:34 not sure any carrier sold the Pre3 in Europe so maybe thats why? Sep 29 11:10:14 sorry if seem confused, not used to this tech talk :D Sep 29 11:11:25 stbuehler: should try same settings but change from ssl to tls? Sep 29 11:13:39 yes, please use tls, and port 587 if possible Sep 29 11:13:56 if you want tell us the provide name and we can check what the smtp server provides Sep 29 11:39:59 stbuehler: could it be a time/date issue because when I start my calendar the top bar will just display "Today, " and not "Today, Thu 29 Sept" like the Pre. Sep 29 11:40:20 and when i flick to tomorrow the top bar is blank so way to tell what date you are at. Sep 29 11:52:01 13:07] not sure any carrier sold the Pre3 in Europe so maybe thats why? <- in europe - sure Sep 29 11:52:03 stbuehler: provider is telia.com and outgoing mail server is mailout.telia.com and should use ssl/465 according to ISP. Sep 29 11:52:06 vodafone uk e.g. Sep 29 12:06:04 i havent had topbar date issues with my Pre3 Sep 29 12:06:18 I do use the advanced plugin for it though Sep 29 12:09:27 back, had a power failure Sep 29 12:10:17 stbuehler: ive sorted the date missing from calendar, seems like it didnt like regional settings set to Sweden, selected UK and it started displaying the dates again. Sep 29 12:25:39 Hmm, the unlock screen on the Pre uses the date format from Regional Settings but on the Pre3 its in US format no matter what setting you got. Could this cause problem connecting to mail server if it expects a certain format? Sep 29 12:57:44 http://www.qwantz.com/index.php?comic=2052 Sep 29 13:10:43 Andreas_: ok, it looks like telia has no (start)tls support, so if 465/ssl doesn't work... bad luck. (but the cert looks good, signed by verisign) Sep 29 13:19:43 stbuehler: Thank you very much for the help, I tried changing to auth sign in and set the port to 25 and it seems to work even though they suggest 465/ssl. Sep 29 13:20:15 so it works now without encryption Sep 29 13:22:16 got the other account working too, i typed the password manually into outgoing server instead of letting webos copy it when setting Auth to ON. Sep 29 13:22:55 But ssl/465 doesnt seem to work though, strange but atleast I can now answer email. =) Sep 29 14:31:42 how long does it usually take to deal with requests to get permission to post on the webos homebrew apps forum? Sep 29 14:34:56 @copystring1 No idea, I've been waiting over a week now. Sep 29 14:40:40 hm ... odd Sep 29 14:42:47 paging Dr. rwhitby (again) Sep 29 14:43:28 Ok, i really need to login earlier :) Sep 29 14:44:04 rwhitby: i guessed it might be tar acting up - i made a custom carrier .tar using tar xvzf and the Dr. is saying it can't read installer.xml Sep 29 14:44:26 hey NuttyBunny_TP: yeah, me too :) i feel asleep when the Doctor was in :) Sep 29 14:46:37 but if you leave a note you'll get some asynchronous replies - just leave your IRC open Sep 29 14:48:38 meh.. won't work for me unless I setup bouncer (I think) Sep 29 14:54:35 NuttyBunny_TP: ssh+screen+irssi ftw :) Sep 29 14:56:21 stbuehler: Yep, good idea, I'm not familiar with irssi, but i'll play with it :) Sep 29 14:58:33 hmmmm Sep 29 14:58:56 i want to simulate arrow keys by touch gestures with Xorg Sep 29 14:59:06 how do you suggest i go about doing this? Sep 29 14:59:32 how does Xecutah get the virtual keyboard input? did the developers create custom xorg keyboard modules? Sep 29 15:01:27 hmmmm: I dont beleive they created special keyboard mappings for the vkb. but they did for BT kb. you can just send an sdl key press event for the arrow keys based on a touch gesture . Sep 29 15:03:50 okay, sounds great. i'll figure out how to do that eventually Sep 29 15:03:56 hmmmm: scummVM does some cool things with multiple touch gesture. I was thinking about looking over some of their code to implement esc and such. Sep 29 15:04:04 right Sep 29 15:04:09 want to work on the same project then? Sep 29 15:04:15 "the full virtual keyboard" Sep 29 15:05:05 also i want to incorporate that script to patch the keyboard layout in LunaSysMgr so the user would be able to choose what kind of keys are actual keys and which are gestures Sep 29 15:05:07 I have a few things I want to implement like hide and show vkb that I want to get first working with a gesture and the hide key Sep 29 15:06:02 I have not messed around with the keyboard layout patch Sep 29 15:06:39 there was a plan to add an over lay at the top of the vkb to included special keys like the F keys and such. Sep 29 15:06:52 not sure that ever got started Sep 29 15:07:05 well, i want it to get started :) Sep 29 15:07:26 i don't really have much free time because of school and such, but i'll try to work on it when i can Sep 29 15:07:38 ah man Sep 29 15:07:46 and to think i wanted to originally port freebsd to TP Sep 29 15:07:59 you able to get all the X stuff built? Sep 29 15:08:15 didn't try building anything yet. Sep 29 15:08:19 using the WIDK Sep 29 15:09:24 that would be the first think you should try and do, from there it is just a matter of coding Sep 29 15:09:32 yeah Sep 29 15:11:02 ahhh- also another smaller problem, i can't change the hostname Sep 29 15:11:13 every reboot it resets back to NameheresHPTouchPad Sep 29 15:11:24 The main dev for X stuff is dtzWill, once you have it up and building might want to talk it through with him. he might have some of this figured out. Sep 29 15:16:55 hmmmm: are you setting it via 'hostname' or something? or through the device info pane? Sep 29 15:17:08 setting it through hostname Sep 29 15:17:13 why, you can't do that? Sep 29 15:17:25 i remounted / as rw too, but it still didn't work Sep 29 15:19:22 you can, but as you noted, it doesn't persist Sep 29 15:20:52 there's no way to make the first letter lower case Sep 29 15:20:54 hah.... Sep 29 15:21:31 hmmmm Sep 29 15:21:37 (or turn off autocapitalization) Sep 29 15:21:44 ah Sep 29 15:22:52 rwhitby: i got it working via ubuntu creation of the jar - everything seems okay, i'm at 9%. could it have actually been tar causing issues? Sep 29 15:35:44 will overclocking to 1.5ghz affect battery life much? Sep 29 15:36:08 i've been told that since it has an autounderclocking function it doesn't matter, and 1.5 is just the max Sep 29 15:42:51 hmmmm: I haven't seen any appreciable difference on my TP Sep 29 15:43:19 but everything's smother, right? Sep 29 15:52:26 yeap Sep 29 16:11:20 at the end of the latest Palmcast, they mentioned a webosinternals way to disconnect an old phone from the profile and still use the phone as is without getting any future updates.. can someone point me to more info on how this is done please? Sep 29 16:12:13 I know going into airplane mode seems to accomplish the same thing but would love to be able to use the phone on wifi or even be able to throw a sim card back in it Sep 29 16:12:38 Volcom45: I didn't listen to the palmcast, but I think the Meta Doctor is what you're looking for: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Sep 29 16:12:55 It'll doctor your phone and let you bypass the activation. Sep 29 16:13:43 what they were talking about was a workaround if you may to keep your same profile/apps on a phone without it being logged out when you login to a different phone Sep 29 16:14:23 I got the impression there was a way to disconnect it from the profile so to speak so it no longer tries to sync and then logs you out Sep 29 16:14:44 then you can't get app updates or make purchases anymore, but can still use the phone as it was when you disconnected Sep 29 16:14:51 maybe I misunderstood them? Sep 29 16:15:52 iirc, rwhitby has a patch that doesn't require a phone to contact the palm servers anymore Sep 29 16:16:54 thats exactly what I'm after Sep 29 16:17:10 can you still stick a SIM card in the phone and use the phone with all your apps as is? Sep 29 16:19:04 I'm honestly not sure, rwhitby would be the person to talk to Sep 29 16:19:14 thx Sep 29 16:19:19 I just know that he mentioned it on twitter around the time HP cancelled all webOS hardware Sep 29 16:19:36 (useful in the case where the palm servers go offline, as an example) Sep 29 16:20:13 also useful if you have multiple webos phones that you like to rotate around through but want access to your purchased apps :) Sep 29 16:20:44 I have 2 phones sitting in airplane mode right now because if I go into wifi, they'll both be logged out and wiped clean Sep 29 16:20:54 would much rather be able to continue using them :P Sep 29 16:21:36 oh, you want to have a phone be functional and usable, despite it not being able to be a phone Sep 29 16:25:28 no i'd like to be able to use it as a phone as well Sep 29 16:25:44 just swap sim cards if I want a smaller Veer phone for a certain day or something Sep 29 16:26:07 why wouldn't you just turn the phones off before swapping sim cards? Sep 29 16:26:34 because your profile on palms servers knows what model you are logged into last Sep 29 16:26:46 ah Sep 29 16:26:48 pretty sure if you do that, it'll instantly log you out once it boots up Sep 29 16:26:48 I see Sep 29 16:27:03 you may be right, I don't actually know Sep 29 16:27:17 can't your profile have multiple devices active on it? Sep 29 16:27:29 only multiple touchpads Sep 29 16:27:30 not phones Sep 29 16:27:48 oh Sep 29 16:27:53 that's sorta stupid Sep 29 16:28:05 agree, thats why this patch has me curious :) Sep 29 16:28:18 they made it sound on the palmcast like it does exactly what I'm after Sep 29 16:31:09 yeah, rwhitby will know Sep 29 17:22:05 Sigh. The precentral forum is now issuinb tokens with such a short-lived expiry time that on reloading the page (as it recommends) and pasting back in my post results in an error that my token has expired and I need to reload the page. Sep 29 17:37:24 Okie, fixed. TigerVNCViewer 0.2.3 now on the forum. Sep 29 17:37:44 Volcom45: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/StopDeviceWipe Sep 29 17:38:32 much thanks, dwc-! Sep 29 17:38:44 Soruk: make sure you're letting the forum page fully load Sep 29 17:39:24 dwc-: lmao Tap Cancel. Do not tap Ok. Cancel is the button with "Cancel" written on it, not the button with the letters "O" and "k" written on it. If you hit "Ok" when it says "Your device will now restart", your whole device will be wiped, thereby negating the whole point of this page, so don't do that. Sep 29 17:39:28 males Hmu Sep 29 17:39:54 I've had that issue working over EDGE on other places... the form token is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay at the bottom, underneath any previous forum posts that might be shown on the page Sep 29 17:40:25 Cancel is not the button with "O" and "k" seriously lol Sep 29 17:40:33 haha Sep 29 17:40:40 did Rod write that? its priceless Sep 29 17:41:03 so this procedure can be done after we've already logged into another phone right? doesn't have to be done prior? Sep 29 17:41:14 I've been sitting in airplane mode since Sep 29 17:41:42 Volcom45: hehe yeah that's rod Sep 29 17:41:56 I'm not sure. It might require you to have done it before going to wifi mode, so that the servers don't think the device is logged in... Sep 29 17:42:02 s/wifi/airplane/ Sep 29 17:42:03 dwc- meant: I'm not sure. It might require you to have done it before going to airplane mode, so that the servers don't think the device is logged in... Sep 29 17:43:35 well, I'll give it a try during lunch today Sep 29 17:48:55 is tiger vnc native on webos_ Sep 29 17:48:57