**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 02 02:59:57 2011 Oct 02 03:09:11 no help at al but really nice Oct 02 03:09:44 so tech support was really nice Oct 02 03:18:48 They were polite when I asked them how to switch to a dvorak keyboard layout - which you can't Oct 02 03:40:41 hello, I was hoping to see how I can enable SprintTV on a Franken Pre 2. I did some searching, but couldn't find the info. I did this FrankenPre2'ing a few months ago... Oct 02 03:57:19 /me waves goodnight Oct 02 04:16:20 anyone have an EAS PIN on their TP? Oct 02 04:38:38 hey guys, when i run ./configure, i get this error http://codepad.org/8wGpb2Ad Oct 02 04:38:42 what is that exactly? Oct 02 04:38:56 $PKG_CONFIG is blank, in any case Oct 02 04:39:04 what do you guys do to compile optware? Oct 02 04:39:29 this is another linuxism, right? Oct 02 04:43:02 what distro you on hmmmm Oct 02 04:43:11 webOS 3.0.2 Oct 02 04:43:15 you need a package installed called pkg-config Oct 02 04:43:37 webos? what are you compiling directly on the device? Oct 02 04:43:38 there is no pkg-config in optware Oct 02 04:43:43 xsetroot Oct 02 04:43:49 or is that how you're supposed to compile stuff Oct 02 04:43:52 O.o Oct 02 04:43:53 is it? Oct 02 04:43:54 i wouldn't know Oct 02 04:43:57 i don't really see the problem *shrug* Oct 02 04:44:16 i thought you build these optware packages in a chroot/cross compile environment Oct 02 04:44:20 say, on ubuntu Oct 02 04:44:22 for arm Oct 02 04:44:22 do you? Oct 02 04:44:25 but i don't know Oct 02 04:44:29 i don't see why you'd need Oct 02 04:44:37 there needs to be an easier way Oct 02 04:44:38 i honestly don't know, sorry Oct 02 04:44:45 haha that's ok Oct 02 04:44:53 so i need to install the debian chroot thing? Oct 02 04:45:10 mmm nah, wait for someone more knowledgable Oct 02 04:45:16 ok Oct 02 04:45:17 i don't think you need a chroot, maybe Oct 02 04:46:02 woa woa Oct 02 04:46:07 what's this no space left on device stuff now Oct 02 04:47:07 oh :/ Oct 02 04:47:18 i've been working in ~ which is 6.0MB Oct 02 04:47:22 62.0MB rather Oct 02 05:37:34 So, I'm having an interesting VPN issue. I'm trying out the messaging hack where you insert your own jabber server into the hosts file as talk.google.com intending to bind messaging to my enterprise jabber, but it requires vpn and it seems that the messag Oct 02 05:37:34 ing connection is bypassing the VPN tunnel. Anyone have any thoughts on why that would be? Oct 02 06:15:24 Is the wIRC rewrite in Enyo anywhere near usable? :o Oct 02 06:27:06 Anyone running a Pre 3 with 2.2.3? I need a line paste Oct 02 06:58:35 hmmmmmm: is that on-device? Oct 02 06:58:44 yeah Oct 02 06:59:17 the package you want is called pkgconfig Oct 02 06:59:32 it's definitely not a linuxism Oct 02 06:59:43 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config Oct 02 07:00:04 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pkg-config Oct 02 07:00:10 yah Oct 02 07:00:14 there's an ipk for that Oct 02 07:00:18 the - threw me off Oct 02 07:01:15 Anyone free to build wIRC for me real quick? :p Oct 02 07:01:26 for emulator? Oct 02 07:01:59 For device, ideally Oct 02 07:02:09 are you changing the plugin? Oct 02 07:02:13 Think I narrowed down an old old bug I reported Oct 02 07:02:15 dwc-: yeah Oct 02 07:02:31 are you building on linux? Oct 02 07:02:43 OSX. Never built anything with the PDK Oct 02 07:02:56 CC=/opt/PalmPDK/arm-gcc/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc make SSL=1 Oct 02 07:03:12 that's how I build on linux.... if you have the SDK/PDK installed yours should be that simple too Oct 02 07:03:44 ya, my PKG_CONFIG_PATH is blank Oct 02 07:03:48 what do i set that to? Oct 02 07:03:50 ?_? Oct 02 07:03:51 but, if you have a patch, I can build it for you Oct 02 07:04:10 dwc-: no patch, but it's literally a single line changed Oct 02 07:04:10 look for a dir named pkgconfig Oct 02 07:04:20 it should have .pc files in it Oct 02 07:05:14 that's really what PKG_CONFIG_PATH is for... pointing it at the dir with the .pc files in it Oct 02 07:05:23 if you don't have the .pc files, pkgconfig won't be all that useful Oct 02 07:05:41 SineOt: paste(bin?) it? Oct 02 07:05:57 dwc-: sure Oct 02 07:06:21 or not. Hella borked something :3 Oct 02 07:14:08 is locate part of a certain package in optware? Oct 02 07:14:11 because that's not there either Oct 02 07:16:07 dwc-: It's one line, so I'm not going to paste bin it, but… Line 638 in /src/libircclient/libircclient.c needs to get changed from "char ctcp_buf[128];" to "char ctcp_buf[512];" Oct 02 07:21:59 dwc-: I can still paste bin that if you want :p Oct 02 07:22:09 oh, is this your actions get cut off thing? Oct 02 07:22:35 Yeah. Oct 02 07:22:41 nevermind that, i found pkgconfig on the TP Oct 02 07:22:59 how do i know if i even have the prerequsites i'm defining in a .pc file? Oct 02 07:23:07 Poking it, it's uh… Stupid simple. If it's a notice, it gets check with a buffer length of 512 (correctly) but if it's a PRIVMSG it gets checked with a buffer length of 128 (way, way wrong) Oct 02 07:24:14 locate is probably in findutils, if it's not in a specific 'locate' package Oct 02 07:24:49 mlocate - 0.24-1 - A merginging locate program to find files fast Oct 02 07:24:56 or Oct 02 07:24:57 findutils - 4.2.32-1 - File finding utilities Oct 02 07:26:03 * dwc- thinks SineOt must regularly do rather very long long long actions that run on and on and on and on and on Oct 02 07:26:26 Yeah. I play DND :U Oct 02 07:27:21 in wirc? gross... Oct 02 07:27:56 libXmu is installed along with Xserver, right? Oct 02 07:28:04 oh snap i know where it might be Oct 02 07:28:28 dwc-: nah, on a desktop, since wIRC eats those ctcp actions for lunch. Oct 02 07:29:42 hmm, so nickbuf gets to be 256 chars long, but ctcps only 128 eh Oct 02 07:31:40 and ctcps only if they're privmsg and not notices Oct 02 07:31:57 notices get to be 512 Oct 02 07:32:18 ctcp vs ctcp replies, yes Oct 02 07:32:46 alright, well, skimming the the rest of the fn, it looks safe to increase, but I didn't give it a very thorough read Oct 02 07:34:07 Yeah, it's just used for buffer length checks from what I can tell. It's set separately for everything else. Oct 02 07:36:42 ok, give me a second Oct 02 07:40:28 dwc-: thanks a ton for this, since I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to compelling plugins for on device use Oct 02 07:42:40 http://www.box.net/shared/cv5di6aj1zy6lxgx2apu Oct 02 07:42:44 the top one Oct 02 07:42:50 (with no date) Oct 02 07:43:39 (was too lazy to set a new branch, so it's got some other fixes and changes I've been playing with) Oct 02 07:45:03 Oh? Like what? Oct 02 07:45:24 see the comments on the files Oct 02 07:45:40 is that the enyo version? Oct 02 07:45:42 no Oct 02 07:45:44 :< Oct 02 07:46:15 I'm working on the mojo version, since that's the version I use on my phone ... Oct 02 07:46:39 Oh, huh-Should probably turn off ShutUp.css :p Oct 02 07:47:23 (I would die to see ShutUp.css in the TouchPad's browser) Oct 02 07:47:50 if you want to test the other things, feel free to ping me for a longer description of what those all mean Oct 02 07:49:04 I get the general gist of what they change, I think. The plugin restart I assume helps bring it back up if it crashes out in use, right? Oct 02 07:49:16 yep. Oct 02 07:49:25 a problem I have, patrick has had, but both oil and puff said theirs never crashes Oct 02 07:49:52 that's a manual trigger only right now ("health check" in the app menu on the serverlist) Oct 02 07:50:14 "WONTFIX: works for me" eh? ;D Oct 02 07:50:53 I'm not 100% certain I'm resetting everything that needs to be reset, but a month of triggering on my own crashes, I think I'll add it to the checks at connect time and keep testing soon Oct 02 07:55:36 If it works it works! Oct 02 07:57:14 well, so did it fix your problem? Oct 02 07:57:30 Installing it right now. Keep getting distracted. Oct 02 08:05:09 dwc-: yup, fixed it. :p Oct 02 08:10:11 dwc-: I should have looked into this ages ago. Surprised it was such a simple fix Oct 02 08:16:17 cool Oct 02 08:16:36 post it to #307 on the redmine and hopefully they'll get a chance to vet and push it Oct 02 08:25:23 dwc-: yeah, was writing it up. Posted and linked, so we'll see what happens with it Oct 02 09:00:33 anyone is here? Oct 02 09:00:43 yes. Oct 02 09:00:44 just ask your question Oct 02 09:01:12 my pre plus can not play youtube video? Oct 02 09:01:58 it can search some videos!but can not play! Oct 02 09:02:12 can you help me? Oct 02 09:02:31 webos 1.4.5 Oct 02 09:02:37 thank you! Oct 02 09:12:39 no idea, niu! what does it do? just spin? Oct 02 09:13:36 my pre plus can't play video of youtube! Oct 02 09:14:11 yeah you said that already Oct 02 09:15:54 I don't know "just spin"? Oct 02 09:16:24 what is it mean? Oct 02 09:16:42 The loading spinner. Does it try to load and play the youtube video? Oct 02 09:19:20 I am in china! it can't display picture! Oct 02 09:21:04 it can't display picture of video! Oct 02 09:21:18 does it display the sound of the video? Oct 02 09:22:50 no sound! no picture! Oct 02 09:23:49 when I open it ! it display mistake, Oct 02 09:24:14 can't play this video! Oct 02 09:28:00 can you from a PC? Oct 02 09:28:09 maybe you're running into region restrictions or something Oct 02 09:28:27 no! on webos! Oct 02 09:29:16 I have a hosts! it can search video! but can't play! Oct 02 09:29:35 can you view that same video and play it from a PC Oct 02 09:30:44 yes it can play on pc! Oct 02 09:31:07 do you knoe openvpn? Oct 02 09:32:15 do you know openvpn? Oct 02 09:34:25 know of it, yes. used it, no. Oct 02 09:35:26 NOTICE: 'libircclient' packaging is maintained in the 'Git' version control system at: Oct 02 09:35:30 http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/git/debian/pkg-libircclient.git Oct 02 09:35:33 fatal: http://git.brad-smith.co.uk/git/debian/pkg-libircclient.git/info/refs not found Oct 02 09:35:36 hah Oct 02 09:36:30 thank you! friend! Oct 02 09:37:06 (oops, wrong channel) Oct 02 09:38:02 Not Found Oct 02 09:38:42 I can't open website you sent! Oct 02 12:48:40 dwc-: I got the email about the new wirc.. I guess install? Oct 02 12:48:50 what am I looking for in the new version? Oct 02 13:19:40 so where do you get the latest wirc? <,< Oct 02 13:23:22 owa, the webos app catalog? Oct 02 13:23:39 i meant the 0.0.9 enyo app Oct 02 13:23:51 oh Oct 02 13:23:53 is that public? Oct 02 13:24:02 [14:46:22] dwc-: I got the email about the new wirc.. I guess install? Oct 02 13:24:06 i thought thats what he meant Oct 02 13:24:19 hmmm Oct 02 13:24:22 that would be more likely Oct 02 13:24:31 there's no new version in the box.net folder though Oct 02 13:25:31 I think you can find the enyo version of wirc in a preware testing feed. Open preware and find the "Annoucement" app and read there. Oct 02 13:26:11 from: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/213722-wirc-webos-irc-client-15.html#post3187657 Oct 02 13:26:29 ah ok :) Oct 02 13:26:31 that sounds like it Oct 02 13:26:35 i do have alpha feeds Oct 02 13:26:39 but i cant find that announcement app Oct 02 13:26:41 o_0 Oct 02 13:27:26 hmm Oct 02 13:27:36 did you set up preware using the new system for beta stuff? Oct 02 13:28:16 you mean removing preware and then through novacomm create the alpha and beta feed files? Oct 02 13:28:33 aye Oct 02 13:28:42 yes as i said i do have alpha feeds Oct 02 13:28:44 also enabled Oct 02 13:28:51 currently it says i have 522 apps available Oct 02 13:33:03 no help? :\/ Oct 02 15:37:06 http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/10/01/massive-security-vulnerability-in-htc-android-devices-evo-3d-4g-thunderbolt-others-exposes-phone-numbers-gps-sms-emails-addresses-much-more/ Oct 02 15:37:09 *sigh* Oct 02 15:37:14 Sorry. Shouldn't IRC before caffeine. Oct 02 17:06:05 so what's up with the pkgconfig stuff? Oct 02 17:08:31 how do you guys typically deal with it when making optware? Oct 02 17:09:49 is there a tool that i can use to generate .pc files? Oct 02 17:10:07 every time i make one for a dependency on the Xorg libraries, it wants another one Oct 02 17:11:16 hmmmm, each one should be generating one on its own from the pc.in in the source Oct 02 17:11:27 on its own huh Oct 02 17:11:29 well it's not Oct 02 17:15:37 where are you installing the stuff to? Oct 02 17:15:56 i dunno, i'm just doing ./configure Oct 02 17:16:45 and the xlibs i'm supposed to be compiling against are in the xserver preware application that comes with xecutah Oct 02 17:34:46 if I had to make my own Oct 02 17:34:56 I'd probably copy them from a system that did have them, and then fix the paths Oct 02 17:44:12 i have Debian set up in a virtual machine, the pkgconfig directory on there was pretty small Oct 02 17:44:17 i don't recall it having any xlibs Oct 02 17:46:50 yeah, there's xbitmaps.pc but that's it Oct 02 17:51:48 they should be part of the -dev packages Oct 02 17:58:06 ah Oct 02 18:06:33 i don't see any -dev packages for Xorg in the package manager for debian Oct 02 18:23:10 do you have libx11-dev? Oct 02 18:48:19 ah.. Oct 02 18:48:27 they weren't in the dev section Oct 02 18:50:48 oh my god Oct 02 18:50:53 oh my god WHAT THE FUCK IS LIBTOOL NOW Oct 02 18:51:02 why is compiling something so complicated Oct 02 18:53:55 lots of things that use libtool ship with it Oct 02 18:56:37 now i get some ridiculous error when i try to install libtool "E: could not open file - open" Oct 02 18:56:45 a blank filename...? Oct 02 18:57:57 - could be a filename, it's just suck Oct 02 18:58:10 but of course, installing libtool doesn't mean anything Oct 02 18:58:34 because there's no libtool file that it tries to sed something to Oct 02 19:02:17 what kind of thing produces an "E:" as an error? Oct 02 19:02:37 synaptic package manager, but i reinstalled it and it didn't generate the error again Oct 02 19:02:54 so you say that it should have libtool ship with it? Oct 02 19:03:11 i mean it should, especially if the configure script assumes there's a libtool file Oct 02 19:03:28 optware/cs08q1armel/builds/xsetroot/libtool is missing Oct 02 19:15:11 a lot of things ship with it when they use it, some don't though I imagine Oct 02 19:17:19 well what do you do when libtool is missing from something? Oct 02 19:29:09 go download it? Oct 02 19:29:10 http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ Oct 02 19:29:17 dunno, I'm not that fond of libtool, tbh Oct 02 19:31:47 dwc-, Thanks again for the help yesterday. Oct 02 19:33:34 * dwc- tries to remember yesterday Oct 02 19:33:58 My LDFLAGS problem Oct 02 19:34:14 oh! right. Oct 02 19:34:22 you're welcome :) Oct 02 19:35:20 Kismet now runs. I'm probably going to grab manuf from wireshark to include resolving mac's add to manufacturer Oct 02 19:38:02 ? i mean the libtool file inside of the package i'm building Oct 02 19:38:22 that's suposed to be there but isn't Oct 02 20:01:48 not sure what you mean Oct 02 20:02:06 hey dwc- Oct 02 20:02:14 sorry about the ping-then-leave Oct 02 20:07:18 PatrickC did you mean the encyo wirc client? Oct 02 20:07:31 enyo Oct 02 20:07:37 was it an enyo version in the box.net folder? Oct 02 20:07:42 I didn't install it yet... Oct 02 20:08:21 i really like box.net Oct 02 20:08:27 but i cant figure out how to mount it on freebsd Oct 02 20:08:34 I love box.net Oct 02 20:08:40 especially on the touchpad :% Oct 02 20:08:41 :) * Oct 02 20:10:19 what do you use it for Oct 02 20:10:49 PatrickC: the undated one is always the most recent Oct 02 20:11:07 the only change to that one was giving sineot a test build for his fix Oct 02 20:11:17 ah ok Oct 02 20:11:41 oclet: beta/screenshot sharing/filesharing/etc. Oct 02 20:12:54 http://www.watoday.com.au/technology/security/dumped-computers-exploited-in-overseas-fraud-20111001-1l2rj.html Oct 02 20:12:57 Gah. Oct 02 20:13:15 * cat-xeger has got to figure out why this channel's always the one I hit w/ mischans Oct 02 20:37:14 ohh Oct 02 20:37:19 libtool is just a shell script Oct 02 20:37:29 a really big one, yes Oct 02 20:37:32 and it's shipped along with sources Oct 02 20:37:38 so i copied it over Oct 02 20:37:42 and i went to make xsetroot again Oct 02 20:37:47 it gives me the same exact error Oct 02 20:37:54 i inspect the build directory..... and...... Oct 02 20:37:55 quick question ... just installed preware on two separete HP Touchpads - using preware 1.8.3 - a few weeks apart. The newest shows 518 available packages while the older shows 515. Not sure how to ensure I have the latest feeds... the manage feeds window looks the same between the two. Oct 02 20:37:56 it's missing Oct 02 20:38:01 make is eating my libtool Oct 02 20:38:40 both running same revision of webos? Oct 02 20:39:06 I believe so but trying to verify that now Oct 02 20:39:30 mien shows 492 :) Oct 02 20:39:36 darko: and also, does one have alpha/beta feeds and the other not? Oct 02 20:40:28 * dwc- can't remember whether the "available" count includes installed things Oct 02 20:41:05 nope. Oct 02 20:41:11 installed a random patch and it's down to 491 Oct 02 20:41:11 dwc-: don't think so Oct 02 20:41:22 so that might account for the diff if one has 3 packages installed the other doesn't Oct 02 20:41:28 both show webOS 3.0.2 with no minor release - ie 3.0.2.68 ... so how do I know for sure... Oct 02 20:41:34 dwc-: you don't have the "installed is available" switch enables in the prefs then Oct 02 20:41:36 enabled* Oct 02 20:41:56 darko: click the 3.0.2 in device info Oct 02 20:42:28 ahh.. thanks that show 68 for both Oct 02 20:42:32 apparently not Oct 02 20:42:51 ok, now mine says 637 Oct 02 20:43:21 but now includes all the app catalog apps :P Oct 02 20:43:28 lol Oct 02 20:44:16 is ipkg.preware.org down? Oct 02 20:44:26 no Oct 02 20:45:00 hmm.. the beta feeds didn't load Oct 02 20:49:56 can I assume when you click on "update feeds" on both Touchpads, the same amount of "available packages" *should* show ? Oct 02 20:51:14 should Oct 02 20:53:35 if they have the same installed set of software :) Oct 02 20:53:59 Thanks Patrick... just trying to understand what I can do... generally impressed with the possibilities of this device.. Oct 02 20:54:35 that's why I asked about the webOS version... what else could be different ? that could cause this mismatch ? Oct 02 20:54:35 its amazing Oct 02 20:54:39 webOS is awesome Oct 02 20:54:59 feeds enabled Oct 02 20:55:18 yes... just compared the two Oct 02 20:55:37 idk Oct 02 20:55:52 curious about the others that are off ... ie prethemer, themes Oct 02 20:55:55 do you have the "installed is available" switched to on in the prefs? Oct 02 20:57:23 mine is NO on both Oct 02 20:57:56 enable it Oct 02 20:57:56 then update the feeds again Oct 02 20:57:56 should level it out iirc Oct 02 20:58:27 ok.. thanks... stay tuned Oct 02 20:58:52 lol ok Oct 02 21:00:45 ok, now the first TP has 585 and the 2nd has 547 Oct 02 21:01:18 does one have more apps installed then the other? Oct 02 21:01:23 fist alsho has 70 installed while second has 29 installed Oct 02 21:01:41 that's why Oct 02 21:01:48 one has more apps then the other Oct 02 21:03:05 so that means since I've installed some packages on the first, then there's more available to that TP ? I assumed the Avail should be the same ? Oct 02 21:03:55 the available shows the installed as well Oct 02 21:04:02 so one has more installed then the other Oct 02 21:07:12 so on the first, 585-70= 515 on second 547-29=518. I did notice the first has "Hulu fix" while the seocnd doesn't... so could that difference account for packages that might be missing in newer feeds ? Oct 02 21:33:52 hey all, how's it going? Oct 02 21:34:06 Pretty good, you? Oct 02 21:36:35 hulu fix is installed, but not working anymore so you might as well uninstall it Oct 02 21:38:19 wrea: nice as well Oct 02 21:55:27 hello Oct 02 22:04:24 alright Oct 02 22:04:29 so i managed to get it working a little bit more Oct 02 22:04:54 Is anyone at all interested in attempting to assist me with my "Custom Browser Gestures" patch. I'm trying to make the Touchpad's browser jump to the top or bottom of the browser portal. Oct 02 22:12:53 the USB-host stuff, could it be used to output video? Oct 02 22:31:29 summatusmentis: I've read mentions of hdmi over usb on android, who knows about the touchpad Oct 02 22:32:21 that statement blows my mind Oct 02 22:36:17 Its hardware based too, which afaik, the tp doesnt have Oct 02 22:36:27 yeah, but then... then I'd have to be going usb->hdmi->vga or dvi Oct 02 22:53:16 Well, I saw some pictures from the internals of a TP of what it appeared to be some unconnected HDMI pins, which could theoretically work given the correct drivers Oct 02 22:55:56 Well, if they're not connected, then it'd be more than just drivers Oct 02 23:11:53 wrea: the connecting stuff is just soldering some wires, but it won't work if there's no way to drive it :) Oct 02 23:11:58 "just" Oct 02 23:13:44 "just" indeed Oct 02 23:14:41 I'd do it only if there's a way to use it. The same way as I went and created my OTG cable only after seeing it really worked :) Oct 02 23:17:13 I got a otg setup. I got wlan0 up before, now I cant get it back up Oct 02 23:42:06 wait, can you buy an OTG cable that functions? or do I need to make one, regardless? Oct 02 23:44:18 dunno, I boought one, on dealextreme (3 weeks shipping if I'm lucky). I made my own in the meantime and works beautifully Oct 02 23:44:31 so, they sell usb->vga external video cards Oct 02 23:45:06 I could, in theory, use the otg cable->usb external video card to use the TP as a projectorable device Oct 03 00:17:40 summatusmentis: Except that USB > VGA gets you about 5fps, if you're lucky. Oct 03 00:56:36 roadkill: I'd be primarily using it for presentations Oct 03 00:56:47 I'm hoping to be able to use my TP as my only mobile device Oct 03 01:00:16 Might be halfway tolerable, then. Question is being able to get the Touchpad into USB host mode and finding a way to power the port itself. Oct 03 01:00:55 I did the Dockstar hack where you turn a USB based LCD keychain into a screen... and even at 128x128 resolution, the refresh (due to throughput) is horrendous Oct 03 01:00:58 yeah, the powering issue is a problem Oct 03 01:01:16 you can put the TP into host mode Oct 03 01:01:44 Ah, didn't know if that had already been done Oct 03 01:01:53 Next issue is drivers. Oct 03 01:02:04 yep Oct 03 01:02:20 I imagine each application would have to have support for an external monitor to display to. Oct 03 01:02:30 but in theory, if the device would work on linux, it ought to work Oct 03 01:02:36 or maybe to clone the main screen Oct 03 01:02:39 simpler. Oct 03 01:02:52 otg only supplies 8mah at 5V from the device Oct 03 01:03:02 You know what... this may actually be of some help. Oct 03 01:03:13 http://forum.doozan.com/list.php?2,page=1 Oct 03 01:03:31 That's a forum where they talk about hacking ARM based NAS devices like the Seagate Dockstar and Pogoplugs Oct 03 01:03:43 And modify uboot to boot from USB and run Debian on the devices. Oct 03 01:03:46 but what i was reading from the spec sheet is if the usb otg gets higher than 2.0V it would not supply power but charge the device Oct 03 01:03:47 So that's arm and linux right there. Oct 03 01:04:12 Im trying to get my external wifi to work again Oct 03 01:04:13 roadkill: you can already run an ubuntu chroot Oct 03 01:04:29 summatusmentis: D'oh... I keep forgetting about that. Oct 03 01:05:22 Peter also wrote support for the USB to VGA Adapters like in the Targus Universal Notebook Dock Oct 03 01:05:40 Majority of the USB to VGA adapters are similar enough to run off the same driver Oct 03 01:05:43 USB Display adapters are Displaylink Oct 03 01:05:48 That's the name. Oct 03 01:05:58 Was looking for it Oct 03 01:05:58 heh Oct 03 01:06:33 yeah already thought of this, if only i knew more than electroincs :( Oct 03 01:06:49 http://jeff.doozan.com/debian/lcd/ - Found it. Oct 03 01:07:16 THAT should lead you to finding whatever info you might need about the Displaylink devices. Oct 03 01:07:38 With sources and directions for building on debian (and by extension, Ubuntu) Oct 03 01:08:24 dtzWill: y you no update xorg with xrandr? Oct 03 01:08:46 A lot of cool stuff's been done with the NAS hacking and by association it should be pretty similar to get it working on the touchpad. Oct 03 01:10:30 USB-OTG specifications, the host must be able to supply at least 8mA of current between 4.4V and 5.25V. Devices can negotiate for more current depending on whether the host can supply more power. Oct 03 01:10:59 Patch in a 5v ac adapter. Oct 03 01:11:20 Or find a micro/miniUSB splitter. Oct 03 01:11:49 The Touchpad ac adapter is capable of about 4 times the current the touchpad actually needs when charging and on full cpu load Oct 03 01:12:01 yeah, but as i understand the spec's if it gets more than 2V while in OTG mode it stops supplying power and charges Oct 03 01:12:17 It's current that you want to worry about. Oct 03 01:12:34 USB, at maximum, does 5v at 0.5A Oct 03 01:12:43 2.5Watts basically Oct 03 01:13:01 The Touchpad draws about 10-15 Watts from the wall under charging Oct 03 01:13:12 the Touchpad AC Adapter does up to 40Watts Oct 03 01:13:20 yeah they are power hungry Oct 03 01:13:34 So with a splitter, you can charge both the touchpad and power a usbvga adapter. Oct 03 01:13:40 No worries there. Oct 03 01:13:54 or a modified USB hub is how i thought of doing it Oct 03 01:13:55 roadkill: thats BRILLIANR Oct 03 01:14:03 T even Oct 03 01:14:04 hewball_: That might actually work. Oct 03 01:14:28 holy crap, dual screens on the tp Oct 03 01:14:40 from what i could tell, the touch pad draws on what ever it can get, not like the ipad's Oct 03 01:14:44 but yes, the Touchpad adapter will have enough current for both the Touchpad and USBVGA adapter. It's just a matter of finding the right kind of adapter (or building one yourself) to hook everything up properly. Oct 03 01:15:14 would webOS use the secondary display? Oct 03 01:15:48 (I'm more of a hardware guy as you guys probably figured out. I couldn't tell you squat about software and how to get it all working on that end) Oct 03 01:16:02 roadkill: i was testing the charge stuff when i got the touchpad http://twitpic.com/6bgj05 Oct 03 01:16:24 you know what'd be great? Oct 03 01:16:26 hewball_: What happened that you had to check it for? Oct 03 01:17:06 roadkill: was wondering if they were using Data + - like the apple devices Oct 03 01:17:07 if you had ubuntu in a chroot on the external minitor Oct 03 01:22:04 hewball: Well, that's easily avoided... if you build a cable to short the data wires. Oct 03 01:22:14 take a USB A male to female extension cord Oct 03 01:22:23 and short the data wires on the female end. Oct 03 01:22:34 Anything will charge as much as it can draw. Oct 03 01:22:36 not if you want to use it in OTG mode too Oct 03 01:22:41 Yeah, there's that. Oct 03 01:23:31 thats why i was looking at its charge, cos we had the same problem with ipads in cars, on how to use them and charge too Oct 03 01:26:31 Okay, got wlan0 up Oct 03 01:29:52 Can anyone here help me with the debian chroot? Oct 03 01:30:27 hewball_: I imagine you could probably wire it up like this: http://i.imgur.com/QnnjA.png Oct 03 01:30:53 roadkill: lets hope its that easy Oct 03 01:31:07 owait Oct 03 01:31:25 * oldtopman did a dum dum Oct 03 01:31:41 hewball_: It usually is. Oct 03 01:32:07 When it comes to power requirements of both the touchpad and usbvga adapters... Oct 03 01:32:20 they still demand less than what the touchpad ac adapter is capable of putting out Oct 03 01:32:23 but from what i could tell, usb data pins on the touchpad wernt touched when charging which is great Oct 03 01:32:42 Which means you *probably* can short the data pins on the ac adapter side to get the full current. Oct 03 01:33:10 do keep in mind, the touchpad ad adapter will get pretty toasty if you use it like that Oct 03 01:33:42 M25: I did my load testing. It's rated for 40 Watts. It is actually only loaded by about 25 to 30% when charging the touchpad battery. Oct 03 01:33:44 i had it charging 1A without shorting data pins Oct 03 01:33:53 That would be about 15 watts max Oct 03 01:34:04 USB at full load is 500mAh, 5v, so... another 10 watts. Oct 03 01:34:10 25 is under 40. And pretty safe. Oct 03 01:34:43 nice. Oct 03 01:34:45 Oh my bad. 2.5 Watts, I was factoring another Touchpad like load. Oct 03 01:35:01 So it's actually 15 (worst case) + 5 (overhead and usbvga)... so 20, at worst Oct 03 01:35:09 and the adapter is rated for 40 Oct 03 01:35:16 You're completely safe. Oct 03 01:35:50 200% extra capability for current is quite nice. Oct 03 01:36:46 Still feeling iffy about it? I think we all have one of those USB Cell Phone Travel Chargers. Wire that directly up to the USBVGA adapter instead. Oct 03 01:37:32 if i get spare time tonight ill rig up another breadboard with the touchpad in OTG mode and see what it does Oct 03 01:38:02 USB sure got a heck of a lot more confusing now that we're using input ports as host mode capable ports. Oct 03 01:38:27 sure does Oct 03 01:39:15 Worst yet, the micro USB3 connectors are all shoddy and unreliable. So some enclosures are putting USB A Female connectors on the drive ends... meaning you have to use a male to male cable. I shudder to think someone gets the bright idea of using one of those cables to directly hook up two computers instead. Oct 03 01:39:55 roadkill: it will happen, never underestimate stupid people Oct 03 01:40:17 So host mode support is breaking a lot of standards rules that were implemented to prevent exactly all this from happening ;) Oct 03 01:40:41 hewball_: USB3 is capable of 1A instead of 0.5A Oct 03 01:40:44 yeah and the 5th pin on mini and micro usb too Oct 03 01:41:07 roadkill: usb2 can do 1A if the device requests it and the chipset supports it Oct 03 01:41:14 Not a lot of chipsets do. Oct 03 01:41:30 My motherboard's limited to 0.5A for each port. Oct 03 01:42:01 nope, but as apple were first to use the spec's, its hasnt been out long Oct 03 01:42:13 But yeah. It's kinda reminding me of the whole dumbass mentality behind double male ended extension cords (groan) Oct 03 01:42:49 Exposed live blades because people were too lazy to put up christmas lights the right way Oct 03 01:43:45 same reason out power plugs got changed here to be plastic coated for half the plug Oct 03 01:43:55 USB "B" exists for this reason, but the enclosures aren't thick enough to take the whole plug... so they put another Female "A" end on it. Good lord. Oct 03 01:44:38 http://images17.newegg.com/is/image/newegg/17-388-031-Z03?$S640W$ Oct 03 01:44:42 That's the one I have. Oct 03 01:44:58 yeah thats what micro was for Oct 03 01:45:13 USB3 Micro plugs aren't through mounted. Oct 03 01:45:20 Surface mounted instead. So a lot of failures. Oct 03 01:45:27 That's why they switched to the full plug Oct 03 01:45:40 yeah ive seen that plenty on mini USB Oct 03 01:45:53 Some MiniUSB plugs had that issue, yeah Oct 03 01:46:11 Even saw surface mount Male "A" USB on thumbdrives. No, they didn't last long at all. Oct 03 01:46:14 Heh Oct 03 01:46:44 So much standards breaking going on here... Oct 03 01:46:54 yeps, cheap card readers ive seen them on most Oct 03 01:47:17 and ofcouse they are the ones that get pressure on them trying to push cards in Oct 03 01:47:32 oy... Oct 03 01:47:56 Actually sliced a MicroSD card in half once that way Oct 03 01:48:16 turns out the unit didn't *quite* have enough space for the card to fit in the slot. Oct 03 01:49:59 hmm Touchpad, displaylink and a USB optical soundcard.... giving me ideas for my car damnit Oct 03 01:50:07 heh Oct 03 02:06:27 Alright, I need help for real. Oct 03 02:06:42 Can anyone help me with the Debian Chroot? Oct 03 02:07:44 *crickets* Oct 03 02:08:16 Anyone? Oct 03 02:09:17 oldtopman, patience helps here. Oct 03 02:09:26 what is the issue? Oct 03 02:10:02 ka6sox: I can get it to launcg and run according to this ==> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian Oct 03 02:10:06 launch* Oct 03 02:10:16 But after it closes all of teh umount commands fail Oct 03 02:10:18 the* Oct 03 02:10:43 No apps can be launched, and USB mode complains about open cards. Oct 03 02:10:46 what version are you using? Oct 03 02:10:51 erm Oct 03 02:10:59 thats deprecated. Oct 03 02:11:03 The latest? Oct 03 02:11:04 I should write that up. Oct 03 02:11:14 its a preware package now Oct 03 02:11:17 in alpha Oct 03 02:11:21 o.o Oct 03 02:11:28 wait Oct 03 02:11:41 You mean I won't need the .img file? Oct 03 02:11:52 Or that the chroot is on preware (I have that) Oct 03 02:12:51 heh Oct 03 02:12:57 so i just realized there's a flaw with my setup Oct 03 02:13:02 the chroot is in preware Oct 03 02:13:07 i'm linking against x86 libraries and i'm using x86 headers Oct 03 02:13:08 and it runs X out of the box Oct 03 02:13:11 I have the chroot. Oct 03 02:13:22 so you get an xterm into it when you launch it. Oct 03 02:13:22 I can get debian to run sucessfully. Oct 03 02:13:25 Yes Oct 03 02:13:38 But why are all the umount commands failing? Oct 03 02:13:39 the header part shouldn't matter, so could i copy over the .pc files and header files to my touchpad and then do the compilation there? Oct 03 02:13:42 this handles the mounts Oct 03 02:13:56 for which version? Oct 03 02:14:01 or what would the best way to handle this be when doing a cross compile Oct 03 02:14:02 the one you showed me or the new on? Oct 03 02:14:30 ka6sox: I'm using the latest chroot from preware. The .img file is from the wiki Oct 03 02:14:34 oldtopman, lets back up a bit Oct 03 02:14:50 hmmm Oct 03 02:14:56 which device? Oct 03 02:14:59 Alright :) Oct 03 02:15:09 ka6sox: oderp. HP touchpad Oct 03 02:15:35 * oldtopman spent a little too much time in touchpad-specific chans Oct 03 02:19:23 okay Oct 03 02:19:35 why not just use the debian in alpha? Oct 03 02:19:43 its clean and works. Oct 03 02:20:12 * oldtopman was pretty sure he wouldn't have missed something of that magnitude Oct 03 02:20:37 I've never been the best at looking though, so I'll just go double check then Oct 03 02:21:05 * oldtopman waits for his file copying to finish Oct 03 02:21:54 okay, Oct 03 02:22:01 it uses xecutah and x-server Oct 03 02:22:20 * ka6sox needs to finish the Angstrom chroot. Oct 03 02:22:46 I have both of those installed. Oct 03 02:23:18 ka6sox: I don't suppose you could do a slackware/armedslack chroot, eh? Oct 03 02:24:30 oldtopman, doesn't scratch my itch... Oct 03 02:24:35 so probably not Oct 03 02:24:40 T^T Oct 03 02:24:45 Oh well. Oct 03 02:25:04 I am looking for a lightweight chroot for smaller devices that I can still get things I want. Oct 03 02:25:19 How do you go about making a chroot anyway? Oct 03 02:25:44 Is there some sort of universal guide, or is it handed down from guru to guru... Oct 03 02:25:51 you could always put the armedslack chroot inside of the debian chroot Oct 03 02:26:01 true Oct 03 02:26:02 and bind mount /etc /tmp /dev etc. Oct 03 02:26:12 bind mount in bind mount...fun Oct 03 02:26:28 * oldtopman still doesn't get why those umount commands keep failing Oct 03 02:26:46 How could they be busy if I exited the debian chroot? Oct 03 02:28:59 * oldtopman gives jsage insomnia Oct 03 02:36:57 ka6sox: All I see when I search for debian in Preware is the Chroot (6.0.2-6) Oct 03 02:37:42 oldtopman, thats it Oct 03 02:37:59 ka6sox: I already have that installed >.> Oct 03 02:38:07 is that what is failing? Oct 03 02:38:12 No. Oct 03 02:38:21 okay Oct 03 02:38:39 ka6sox: When it closes, I go to run the umount commands. Oct 03 02:38:57 None of them umount. Oct 03 02:39:10 Then none of the apps will work. And none of them will launch Oct 03 02:39:21 when the 6.0.2-6 closes or your debsmall? Oct 03 02:39:22 USB mode asks me to close all of teh cards. Oct 03 02:39:32 ka6sox: What do you mean? Oct 03 02:40:05 your debsmall is failing to umount or the debian chroot 6.0.2-6? Oct 03 02:41:25 no. Oct 03 02:41:28 hrm Oct 03 02:43:31 ka6sox: http://pastebin.com/K204skHH Oct 03 02:43:50 A linear graphic representation of my problem ^.^ Oct 03 02:44:09 yes, that is a KNOWN issue Oct 03 02:44:15 which is why its deprectated. Oct 03 02:44:24 So what do I do? Oct 03 02:44:37 To update/undepreciate? Oct 03 02:44:50 since you have 6.0.2-6 that means you have a /media/ext3fs/ partition mounted right? Oct 03 02:45:52 move the debsmall chroot to /media/ext3fs/debsmall/ Oct 03 02:46:00 No? Oct 03 02:46:01 and then do the mount there. Oct 03 02:46:04 no? Oct 03 02:46:13 * oldtopman 's head spins Oct 03 02:46:23 I didn't want to partition. Oct 03 02:46:31 * ka6sox scratches head....thought you said you had debian chroot 6.0.2-6 Oct 03 02:46:41 then I can't help you Oct 03 02:46:51 known issue...which is why we stopped doing it. Oct 03 02:46:51 I installed it from preware. So it creates those directories? Oct 03 02:47:50 pastebin a ls -lr of /media/ Oct 03 02:47:56 (yes it will be LONG) Oct 03 02:48:18 ls -l of /media/cryptofs would be interesting to see too. Oct 03 02:48:24 (separate) Oct 03 02:48:34 Do you want this before or after I run all of those mount commands? Oct 03 02:49:13 becuase you should not be able to install the 6.0.2 chroot if you don't have a fstab entry and acutal mount for /media/ext3fs Oct 03 02:49:22 (as in a partition) Oct 03 02:49:25 oic Oct 03 02:49:38 So you're looking for /media/ext3fs Oct 03 02:49:58 mount | grep ext3fs pastebin'd please? Oct 03 02:50:25 (from novaterm or ssh or whatever :D Oct 03 02:50:27 ) Oct 03 02:51:34 ka6sox: No results :( Oct 03 02:52:23 /media has card,cf,cryptofs,hdd,internal,mmc1,net,ram,realroot, and union Oct 03 02:52:23 and you are sure you have the alpha release of debian chroot installed? Oct 03 02:52:41 okay then you *don't* have it installed. Oct 03 02:52:48 Yes Sir/Ma'am/Transgendered person/Crossdresser Oct 03 02:52:50 waitwat Oct 03 02:53:16 did you put it in cryptofs as a loop file? Oct 03 02:53:40 It's right there in my installed packages list Oct 03 02:53:41 that would require a link though Oct 03 02:53:59 something doesn't add up. Oct 03 02:54:13 Okay, let me tell you hwta I did exactly. Oct 03 02:54:31 #1) Get the Preware Xecutah, Xserver, and Xterm Oct 03 02:54:42 #2) Get bash Oct 03 02:54:57 #3) Go to that page, make a 4GB image Oct 03 02:55:11 #4) Make a script of teh first set of commands Oct 03 02:55:18 #5) Run that script Oct 03 02:55:30 #6) Install mc in debian, verify that it works Oct 03 02:55:39 #7) Type in exit Oct 03 02:55:50 #8) Run umount commands, and watch them fail Oct 03 02:56:00 #9) Reboot touchpad because nothing works Oct 03 02:56:11 ka6sox: That's everything I did exactly. Oct 03 02:56:27 okay, after your experience I am definatly going to deprecate that page...immediately Oct 03 02:56:47 Thanks? Oct 03 02:56:53 What should I have done? Oct 03 02:57:01 Or what can I do? Oct 03 02:57:01 repartitioned. Oct 03 02:57:17 becuase the way you are doing it will cause *all* the issues you are reporting. Oct 03 02:57:36 does debian work on the touchpad? Oct 03 02:57:43 SoulShadow, yes Oct 03 02:57:47 as a chroot Oct 03 02:57:58 think it'll ever be dual booted? Oct 03 02:57:59 not a bootable OS yet Oct 03 02:58:09 i'd like tri-boot with android and debian/ubuntu Oct 03 02:58:10 SoulShadow, maybe if you do it? Oct 03 02:58:15 i don't have mine yet >> Oct 03 02:58:25 they keep putting holds on my account Oct 03 02:58:29 but have yet to actuallly ship it. Oct 03 02:58:43 oldtopman, what you need to do is partition Oct 03 02:58:45 no way around it. Oct 03 02:58:53 everything else is not supported. Oct 03 02:59:03 and *will* fail.... Oct 03 02:59:12 * oldtopman cries Oct 03 02:59:24 * oldtopman blubbers Oct 03 02:59:28 * oldtopman pleads **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 03 02:59:57 2011