**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 03 02:59:57 2011 Oct 03 03:00:32 oh does loop-mounting a chroot image not work anymore? Oct 03 03:00:35 * oldtopman swears Oct 03 03:01:02 dtzWill: Yes, but you have to reboot afterwards. Oct 03 03:01:07 i don't see why not :( Oct 03 03:01:24 oh. Oct 03 03:01:32 is that problem? or just undocumented? :) Oct 03 03:01:42 It mounts over all of the critical stuff, and I can't umount it :< Oct 03 03:02:00 SInce you can't start any apps or go into USB mods, you have ot restart Oct 03 03:02:16 dtzWill, creates a mount mess Oct 03 03:02:22 and fails in a number of ways. Oct 03 03:02:23 I'll see what I can do about the umount commands, it seems that if you get those working, the image method will work again. Oct 03 03:02:36 hence why we went to the separate partition route. Oct 03 03:02:41 ka6sox: How does it fail besides mount? Oct 03 03:02:53 well there's always the fun with mounting from the usb partition--if you try usb mode and the like Oct 03 03:02:57 you already said it...USB Oct 03 03:02:59 but personally i never use that? so nbd for me. Oct 03 03:03:00 and OTA Oct 03 03:03:06 touche Oct 03 03:03:27 we abandoned this method for the *exact* reasons you are mentioning. Oct 03 03:03:32 ka6sox: If I do get the umount fixed, I'll find you so you can edit the wiki page for meh Oct 03 03:03:44 well those aren't dealbreakers for everyone, but yeah we don't wanna force those onto people following guides Oct 03 03:03:49 * oldtopman will rise to become t3h 1337 haxor that saves the image method Oct 03 03:04:05 the image method is DEAD... Oct 03 03:04:14 And on that baseless optimisim it's time to end. thank you and GOOD NIGHT! Oct 03 03:04:31 it need to be buried and forgotten. Oct 03 03:04:33 ka6sox: Thanks! Oct 03 03:04:39 niters! Oct 03 03:08:35 what was the issue with it? Oct 03 03:09:58 tmzt_: unmaintained documentation as a result of it generally being of the nature "if you know enough to not have issues with this you don't need this guide anyway" Oct 03 03:10:20 not a stand i think happened intentionally, mind you, just that is probably why it's the case Oct 03 03:11:08 by the way, I didnd't suggest this to jc but moboot should support a one boot mode if needed, to allow it to resize a partition or whatever without everything mounted Oct 03 03:11:13 and then come back to webos Oct 03 03:12:01 tmzt_: if you boot the recovery image it has the needed lvm tools--i wonder if one couldn't script that if they were so inclined. Oct 03 03:12:13 right that's what I mean Oct 03 03:12:21 well anyway, there's work on an on-line tool that does the same from a nice gui and the like, not sure of the status though... Oct 03 03:12:22 like having a /boot/onetime symlink Oct 03 03:12:38 that always overrides /boot/default Oct 03 03:12:56 it can be done that way, its a question of safety and understanding what needs to be done in what order. Oct 03 03:13:34 too much crying if it fails. Oct 03 03:15:39 guaranteed someone will lose the *only* picture they have of their grandmother on the TP. Oct 03 03:27:24 hello...i need help ....i just got a palm pre plus and unlocked it for t-mobile. i tried the devicetool.jar and the webosdoctorp101ewwatt.jar and neither seem to work... i installed the latest java and sdk with novacom...i can not seem to create a profile..i also tried #*devmode#.....anyone? Oct 03 03:28:01 actionfigure, what is devicetool.jar ? Oct 03 03:28:36 so i can bypass the activation Oct 03 03:28:41 actionfigure, what wikipage are you using? Oct 03 03:28:44 oh, right, the bypass activation thing Oct 03 03:29:05 ka6sox: ive been on over 10-15 sites Oct 03 03:29:09 i dont recall o_O Oct 03 03:29:35 ive been at this since 2pm and now its 8:30pm :\ Oct 03 03:30:02 actionfigure, okay, if you don't know and we've never seen it in our wiki, I'm not sure we can help you with something so nebulous Oct 03 03:30:03 i see the t-mobile at the top left corner Oct 03 03:30:28 actionfigure, how did you get it unlocked? Oct 03 03:30:28 im not sure what you mean Oct 03 03:30:37 scoutcamper: yes... Oct 03 03:31:03 actionfigure, 1.4.5 or 2.0? Oct 03 03:31:08 i did the hold the volume up, connect the usb, then the battery to get the usb logo thing Oct 03 03:31:24 scoutcamper: i think its 1.4.5..i cant check :( Oct 03 03:32:10 i even tried to start novacom Oct 03 03:32:13 novacom Oct 03 03:32:13 failed to connect to server Oct 03 03:32:29 actionfigure, unless you an point to the wiki where you are getting this informtion then we have NO idea of what you are talking about. Oct 03 03:32:36 and its not something we would know about. Oct 03 03:33:04 ka6sox: ill have to go back to all the sites ive gone too Oct 03 03:33:22 is there is a method you know...i dont see why i need to tell you what sites ive been too.... Oct 03 03:33:31 like i said..ive tried soooo many things Oct 03 03:33:34 im about to give up now Oct 03 03:33:51 because, we don't support things that aren't in our wiki Oct 03 03:33:58 ohok Oct 03 03:34:02 and I"m sure that jar isn't something we use. Oct 03 03:34:03 i didnt know that Oct 03 03:34:21 ka6sox: can you provide me the link please? Oct 03 03:34:27 id love to read it... Oct 03 03:35:08 without all those programs i read to install....the main thing is that i can not creat a profile Oct 03 03:35:12 lmgtfy Oct 03 03:35:40 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade Oct 03 03:36:19 thanks Oct 03 03:37:32 well...it sounds just like all the other sites ive been too Oct 03 03:37:39 same thing Oct 03 03:37:49 novacom, the webdoctor Oct 03 03:37:53 and the sdk Oct 03 03:37:55 same thing Oct 03 03:38:17 but you came here asking about a jar file we don't have in our proceedure... Oct 03 03:38:26 so thats why I kept asking. Oct 03 03:39:04 and I have no idea as to what that jar does. Oct 03 03:39:34 the jar files are the devicetool which is for activation and the other one is the webdoctor Oct 03 03:39:48 not in our proceedure kemosabe. Oct 03 03:40:02 so its "off the reservation" Oct 03 03:40:31 ok Oct 03 03:42:42 thanks for your help Oct 03 04:17:15 anyone else having trouble membooting their pre3 with webos 2.2.3? Oct 03 04:17:41 PatrickC that makes NO sense Oct 03 04:18:02 ka6sox, whenever i try and run the memboot command, it tells me no devices found Oct 03 04:18:04 when m Oct 03 04:18:08 you dont' memboot webos 2.2.3, you memboot a kernel Oct 03 04:18:14 my pre3 is plugged in and in recovery mode Oct 03 04:18:30 ka6sox, im wanting to memboot so i can run the lv commands Oct 03 04:18:43 i want to resize my partitions. Oct 03 04:19:43 novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-mantaray.uImage Oct 03 04:19:53 works on the touchpad Oct 03 04:20:07 (using the touchpad's uImage) Oct 03 04:20:33 what wikipage are you following exactly? Oct 03 04:20:39 * uNiXpSyChO puts on BOFH cap Oct 03 04:21:31 * uNiXpSyChO wonders when it's needed to memboot a kernel to resize LVM part Oct 03 04:22:54 uNiXpSyChO, because he is using an installer image and that drops him in a shell in /boot Oct 03 04:24:22 still never stopped me from resizing. maybe my method is brute force. Oct 03 04:24:32 which has lv.static defined. Oct 03 04:25:02 uNiXpSyChO, yes, me too...but then we are "experienced" @ doing this...very experienced and know the pitfalls. Oct 03 04:25:12 true Oct 03 04:25:34 he is "cutting and "pasting" which does not show an understanding of that. Oct 03 04:26:06 * halfhalo cuts and pastes.. but he is lazy Oct 03 04:26:11 that sounds "Windows"-ish Oct 03 04:26:29 halfhalo, but you *know* what to do if it breaks...you doctor. Oct 03 04:26:29 ka6sox, i understand the commands Oct 03 04:26:53 * uNiXpSyChO goes back to looking at 500,000+ BGP routes... Oct 03 04:26:55 i copy/pasted to make sure that i didnt misspell anything Oct 03 04:27:08 PatrickC, exactly *which* wikipage are you following to do this? Oct 03 04:27:25 none. it isnt documented on the wiki page Oct 03 04:27:36 i am following instructions ive used many times before Oct 03 04:27:53 WHICH INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY? Oct 03 04:28:05 they are in an email Oct 03 04:28:13 from someone who knows all about linux Oct 03 04:28:20 and has used them before Oct 03 04:28:32 * halfhalo noms popcorn Oct 03 04:28:36 okay so you have an email, which none of us have, and you are asking us to help you solve a problem where we don't have the same documtation you have? Oct 03 04:29:27 * uNiXpSyChO grabs popcorn Oct 03 04:29:38 that will be 16.50. Oct 03 04:29:45 a minute Oct 03 04:30:15 * uNiXpSyChO puts back popcorn... for beer. Oct 03 04:30:59 6.75. Oct 03 04:31:14 it should be happy hour....somewhere... Oct 03 04:31:42 hawaii Oct 03 04:31:51 6:29 Oct 03 04:31:55 pm Oct 03 04:32:08 1.50 beers for all! Oct 03 04:32:11 * uNiXpSyChO hops on SR71... will be there in 1 hour from east coast. Oct 03 04:32:26 1.75hrs Oct 03 04:32:30 LOL Oct 03 04:32:35 but who's counting Oct 03 04:32:37 * halfhalo doesn't turn 21 for 35 more days :( Oct 03 04:32:40 hehe Oct 03 04:33:23 I'm 23 and I dont drink :P Oct 03 04:33:27 uNiXpSyChO, you would have to fly over canada or mexico as the US doesn't allow supersonic flights in its controlled airspace (unless you are so high no-one can catch you) Oct 03 04:33:50 buuutttt... I will be 21 for CES and all its openbarryness Oct 03 04:34:13 okay back to PatrickC's little "issue" Oct 03 04:34:25 ka6sox: i would plan to fly high and fast... no need to send up interceptors. Oct 03 04:35:04 this *is* off the reservation....by a LONG ways... Oct 03 04:35:27 since now I am certain that a lot of skript kiddies will use it to destroy their devices. Oct 03 04:35:30 broken arrow Oct 03 04:35:47 uNiXpSyChO, um....unarmed right? Oct 03 04:35:58 its not a Y-12 Oct 03 04:36:15 ka6sox: of course... unless i was flying a B47 Oct 03 04:36:42 wait... YA-12? Oct 03 04:36:52 YF-12? Oct 03 04:36:55 ya Oct 03 04:36:58 something like that Oct 03 04:37:02 maybe that one. Oct 03 04:37:11 * uNiXpSyChO digresses.... Oct 03 04:37:15 indeed. Oct 03 04:37:53 * halfhalo noms Oct 03 04:39:09 PatrickC, that is not a method we recognize for doing this. and its UNSAFE. Oct 03 04:39:25 ka6sox, ok. Oct 03 04:39:33 might i ask how/why it is unsafe? Oct 03 04:41:10 because blindly resizing your /media/internal is a dumb thing. Oct 03 04:41:21 ok Oct 03 04:42:01 and I really don't want to be losing the *only* picture of your dying grandmother with all the grandkids because of this *dumb* thing. Oct 03 04:45:03 this is NOT to be done by anyone who doesn't completely understand the risks.... Oct 03 04:45:14 and with this there are MANY. Oct 03 04:46:22 I would burn that email, and forget you ever saw it. Oct 03 04:53:07 * NuttyBunny looks around Oct 03 04:53:22 * PatrickC_Away hides Oct 03 04:53:45 hiya NuttyBunny Oct 03 04:53:49 * halfhalo flicks lighter onto gas and runs Oct 03 04:54:21 hey :-) Oct 03 04:56:46 Well, I think Kismet is in working order