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Oct 25 04:19:09 <dwc-> rwhitby: thanks for the confirming info
Oct 25 04:43:31 <ka6sox> I could use a few more old Pre- that folk are not using anymore :D
Oct 25 04:47:31 <dwc-> I don't have any, but I know some people who might... which parts do you need out of it to be working?
Oct 25 04:53:18 <bhuey> was the 3.0.4 upgrade released for the 3g TouchPad ?
Oct 25 04:53:54 <dwc-> looks like it
Oct 25 04:54:01 <bhuey> as a OTA ?
Oct 25 04:54:03 <dwc-> or at least someone found a doctor for it
Oct 25 04:54:06 <bhuey> or ust the doctor itself ?
Oct 25 04:54:09 <bhuey> yeah
Oct 25 04:54:15 <bhuey> might be a premature release or something
Oct 25 04:54:23 <dwc-> well, someone here has one I'm sure
Oct 25 04:55:09 <bhuey> I found a problem with the at&t release for 3.0.4 in that it has some major problems with the catalogue
Oct 25 04:55:19 <bhuey> many of the apps that should show up aren't showing up
Oct 25 05:00:54 <ka6sox> which ones?
Oct 25 05:00:59 * ka6sox keeps his OFF :D
Oct 25 05:01:23 <bhuey> angry birds
Oct 25 05:01:42 <bhuey> I flashed the 3.0.2 stuff instead
Oct 25 05:01:50 <bhuey> it's working with it fine now
Oct 25 05:10:40 <sangie> Anyone here available to help me figure out why I'm getting a no battery icon after frankenpreing?
Oct 25 05:26:27 <rwhitby> bhuey: 3.0.4 4G is not recognised by profile server
Oct 25 05:27:00 <rwhitby> it ends up with a 9.9.9 profile server version
Oct 25 05:51:11 <bhuey> rwhitby: yeah I saw that
Oct 25 06:10:38 <bhuey> rwhitby: must not have been released yet for the AT&T
Oct 25 11:20:34 <hewball> for those interested http://twitpic.com/75ihmr usb headset on touchpad
Oct 25 12:04:51 <ka6sox> hewball, kewl
Oct 25 12:05:09 <hewball> ka6sox: next is pulse audio support
Oct 25 12:05:44 <ka6sox> talk to sconix, he has some pulseaudio bits working too.
Oct 25 12:46:08 <ice8lue> hey guys
Oct 25 12:46:49 <ice8lue> do you have a possible fix for the wifi issues after 3.0.4? can't connect to my university's wifi anymore (eduroam)
Oct 25 12:49:21 <ka6sox> ice8lue, need more information, like log files and such, otherwise we are shooting in the dark.
Oct 25 12:50:19 <stbuehler> ice8lue: i deleted it and reconnected. had to disable "check cert" or something like that
Oct 25 12:51:12 <ice8lue> stbuehler: ok will try...
Oct 25 12:51:33 <stbuehler> worked for me (eduroam in stuttgart) :)
Oct 25 12:52:35 <ice8lue_> fantastic, it works :) thank you!
Oct 25 12:52:56 <ka6sox> tada!
Oct 25 12:53:04 <ice8lue_> ;)
Oct 25 12:53:12 <ka6sox> stbuehler, thanks...
Oct 25 13:46:36 <RichT23> Are there any patches that will remove the "card name" / change the icon size, on the launcher windows. On the Pre3 or Veer?
Oct 25 13:46:54 <RichT23> There was a cool patch on the Pixi, but i forgot its name
Oct 25 13:47:18 <RichT23> I have Advanced prefs
Oct 25 13:47:33 <RichT23> but that doesnt have those options
Oct 25 15:37:16 <EricBlade> hmm. preware is acting strange today
Oct 25 15:37:48 <EricBlade> whenever i install one of the patches that came up today, it says "Installing" and then doesn't go to the message toaster saying it installed until after i touch the screen again
Oct 25 15:41:51 <TanKh> muffle logging patch for 3.04 fails to install (and uninstall) here
Oct 25 15:42:19 <TanKh> any suggestions beside the doctor ?
Oct 25 15:43:06 <dwc-> doctoring isn't going to make the patch work or not work
Oct 25 15:43:16 <dwc-> unless you mean back to 3.0.2
Oct 25 15:43:35 <dtzWill> well not being able to uninstall it would be fixed by a doctor, presumably
Oct 25 15:48:12 <TanKh> "unreversed patch detected" error
Oct 25 15:48:31 <TanKh> during both, install & uninstall
Oct 25 15:48:51 <TanKh> I did remove some other patches which might have interferred
Oct 25 15:48:54 <TanKh> without success
Oct 25 15:49:09 <TanKh> maybe it is a language-related issue
Oct 25 15:49:17 <TanKh> as my tp is a german one
Oct 25 15:56:03 <dwc-> if it fails to install, how did it end up in a state where it could be removed?
Oct 25 15:58:25 <EricBlade> dwc-: magic!
Oct 25 16:00:01 <TanKh> I did not uninstall the patch before upgrading to 3.04
Oct 25 16:00:20 <TanKh> so the 3.02 patch was still there as a placeholder, as far as I can say
Oct 25 16:00:39 <TanKh> this was imho the recommended way
Oct 25 16:00:58 <TanKh> DO NOT UNINSTALL - WE TAKE CARE !
Oct 25 16:01:00 <TanKh> ^^
Oct 25 16:02:45 <TanKh> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/305001-cant-remove-update-muffle-system-logging.html
Oct 25 16:02:48 <TanKh> I am not alone
Oct 25 16:07:23 <EricBlade> i think that's what the emergency patch recovery tool is for
Oct 25 16:07:34 <TanKh> probably a solution will pop out until I am @home
Oct 25 16:07:42 <EricBlade> hmm.  getting your touchpad stuck at 192MHz isn't nearly as bad as I thought it owuld be
Oct 25 16:08:49 <hiddenpremise> EricBlade: that's an accomplishment
Oct 25 16:09:21 <EricBlade> i can only assume that it's not -actually- at that speed, just it is whenever govnah is polling it
Oct 25 16:09:42 <EricBlade> because i'd expect that that would be terribad, but it's actually working decently.  only slightly worse than 3.0.2 did for me at 1.5ghz
Oct 25 16:10:33 <EricBlade> animations are really slow, but everything else seems ok
Oct 25 16:11:09 * EricBlade is trying to rapidly get back to F4, F15 is not my cup o' tea
Oct 25 16:13:25 <EricBlade> i thought i'd try F15 now that i've found some good settings while running F4, and something didn't go right when in govnah fo sho
Oct 25 17:21:39 * Traycer looks around
Oct 25 17:23:51 * dwc- sees nothing of note
Oct 25 17:26:47 * Traycer neither
Oct 25 17:27:43 <Traycer> I would like to submit a patch to Preware to fix the small image problem with the builtin photo viewer.
Oct 25 17:27:50 <dwc-> except maybe the grue in the corner
Oct 25 17:27:57 <Traycer> I can generate the diff, but past that, I don't know the packaging or submission process for preware.
Oct 25 17:27:58 <drobbins> can someone point me to the link to set up touchpad network over USB?
Oct 25 17:27:59 <drobbins> I lost it
Oct 25 17:28:06 <Traycer> preware.org doesn't give much info, except telling people to come here.  :(
Oct 25 17:28:21 <dwc-> http://patches.webos-internals.org/
Oct 25 17:28:38 <Traycer> Thanks, dwc-.
Oct 25 17:30:03 <Traycer> And maybe also a patch to have the gallery show photos in alphabetical order, rather than reverse modification time order.
Oct 25 17:32:22 <drobbins> ok, usbnet
Oct 25 17:32:24 <drobbins> I think I found it
Oct 25 17:37:04 <ka6sox> morning drobbins
Oct 25 17:37:27 <ka6sox> did you find what you needed?
Oct 25 17:48:49 * Traycer heads out
Oct 25 18:24:51 <BadgerMonkey> Howdy Folks
Oct 25 18:26:31 <BadgerMonkey> Anyone getting Gripe trying to update Muffle System Logging???
Oct 25 18:27:17 <ka6sox> BadgerMonkey, run epr then reinstall.
Oct 25 18:27:28 <BadgerMonkey> Also issues with quake installs fine but THEN the touchscreen is un responsive
Oct 25 18:28:03 <BadgerMonkey> Nice one +ka6sox will give it a try
Oct 25 18:28:18 <BadgerMonkey> any ideas onQuake
Oct 25 18:28:33 <BadgerMonkey> uninstalling makes no difference
Oct 25 18:29:13 <ka6sox> sorry, can't help you there :(
Oct 25 18:29:38 <BadgerMonkey>  ok Pal no worries
Oct 25 18:30:04 <BadgerMonkey> will try that other fix you recommended now
Oct 25 18:30:29 <BadgerMonkey> BTW this place and webOS Rocks :-)
Oct 25 20:46:03 <hastk> Hi, I just crashed my touchpad i need to recreate the media partition but I don't know how
Oct 25 20:46:16 <hastk> any ideas for that?
Oct 25 21:00:21 <actionfigure> howdy
Oct 25 21:09:07 <dwc-> crashed how? that shouldn't have ... oh nevermind, you left
Oct 25 22:05:13 <jmichaelx> right now when i fire up preware, things sync up, then it just sits and spins forever saying that it is reading.... is this the same with everyone else?
Oct 25 22:05:45 <dtzWill> jmichaelx: i thought someone fixed that? but regardless rebooting the device seems to work.  have you tried that?
Oct 25 22:07:58 <jmichaelx> dtzWill: i cannot remember, but i will give that a whirl the next time i have it
Oct 25 22:08:28 <ka6sox> jmichaelx, did you recently upgrade to 3.0.4?
Oct 25 22:10:26 <jmichaelx> ka6sox: i upgraded to 3.0.4 within hours of the upgrade becoming available...
Oct 25 22:11:09 <jmichaelx> ka6sox: and have rebooted several times since then, and have installed preware upgrades since then, as well
Oct 25 22:12:30 <jmichaelx> i think preware has been acting like this since i installed uberkernel and the upgrade to govnah
Oct 25 22:12:56 <dtzWill> strange. nvm then. that happened for me exactly once, and it was immediateyl after i updated to 3.0.4
Oct 25 22:12:57 <jmichaelx> installed the uberkernel upgrade*
Oct 25 22:13:18 <jmichaelx> ok... well, i will reboot and see if that does not fix things
Oct 25 22:13:24 <jmichaelx> thanks for the info
Oct 25 22:14:57 <ruffact> same here, after uberkernel upgrade, predate does not load, stays at Reading Saved Package List
Oct 25 22:15:40 <ruffact> preware...
Oct 25 22:41:39 <YeahRight> hmm..shouldnt "install all" do something in the saved package list in preware after having run ERP?
Oct 25 22:41:55 <YeahRight> nothing seems to happen
Oct 25 22:42:03 <YeahRight> or should i reboot first..
Oct 25 22:42:33 <YeahRight> following procedure as written in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/305001-cant-remove-update-muffle-system-logging-2.html
Oct 25 23:24:40 * Soruk makes an ipk of his earlier Tcl/Tk effort...
Oct 25 23:28:07 <ka6sox> Soruk, is this something we can distribute? even as alpha?
Oct 25 23:28:50 <dwc-> mobile eggdrops!
Oct 25 23:29:11 <Soruk> Sure, but at this stage it's just a handrolled IPK like my VNC ones on the thread.
Oct 25 23:29:53 <ka6sox> meaning you hand built it with widk?
Oct 25 23:30:12 <Soruk> With the Palm PDK.
Oct 25 23:30:24 <ka6sox> oh, so it uses plugins?
Oct 25 23:30:33 <ka6sox> does it run in a jail?
Oct 25 23:31:37 <Soruk> It runs in a similar way to TigerVNC - I used the PDK to compiled the armv7 binaries, then run them as you would on a Linux box.
Oct 25 23:31:58 <Soruk> No chroot or other jailing used, just compilation options to put the Tcl library stuff inside the package area.
Oct 25 23:32:23 <Soruk> When run from Xecutah, it opens an xterm but with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to ensure wish can find the X stuff.
Oct 25 23:32:44 <Soruk> It also drops symlinks into /opt/bin so tclsh and wish are in the $PATH.
Oct 25 23:34:34 <Soruk> Now all I need is to install the sazanami-mincho font so my Cantonese flashcard app runs!
Oct 25 23:35:09 <ka6sox> okay so it has opt components and pdk components both.
Oct 25 23:35:12 <ka6sox> hmmm
Oct 25 23:35:35 <ka6sox> why symlink into /opt and not into the path of the app in cryptofs?
Oct 25 23:36:20 <Soruk> When I run Xterm, it seems to reset the $PATH.
Oct 25 23:37:49 <Soruk> My app does set the path, but running an xterm session so you can run your Tcl/Tk apps seems to unset the path back to a default set. Hence the /opt symlinking.
Oct 25 23:39:11 <ka6sox> is xterm resetting the path? or something else?
Oct 25 23:40:00 <dtzWill> check the xterm script, it might just flat out clobber the PATH env variable
Oct 25 23:41:25 <dtzWill> also, i think xterm launcher a login shell, which i didn't think would clobber its inherited environment, but maybe it does
Oct 25 23:42:27 <ka6sox> I wonder if we shouldn't have a default path and shell rc
Oct 26 02:02:15 <hewball> i have aplay outputing audio over usb now :D, now to nut out this pulseaudio :D
Oct 26 02:06:47 <wrea> hewball, cool
Oct 26 02:12:16 <hewball> wrea: even the volume control buttons work :D
Oct 26 02:13:53 <wrea> hewball, does it only play through usb?
Oct 26 02:14:53 <hewball> wrea: without changing anything in pulseaudio only when i pick the card with aplay -D hw:1
Oct 26 02:15:10 <wrea> ah
Oct 26 02:15:14 <hewball> where as aplay -D hw:0 is internal soundcard
Oct 26 02:15:53 <hewball> but mostly now i know it works and its just pulse that needs config, as sound comes out
Oct 26 02:16:24 <wrea> would be nice to have an advanced menu for sound. so you can select going over usb or network or just locally
Oct 26 02:17:18 <hewball> yeah i was speaking to sconix about that if we make it work he will add it to his App
Oct 26 02:18:28 <wrea> cool
Oct 26 02:19:30 <hewball> although im wondering if it could be done the same way a2dp does, when it connects it uses as default
Oct 26 02:24:13 <ka6sox> hewball, so a2dp becomes hw:0?
Oct 26 02:24:35 <hewball> ka6sox: i need to test that
Oct 26 02:24:59 <hewball> asound has a2dp config in there, so it may do it bypassing pulseaudio
Oct 26 02:27:02 <hewball> but pulseaudio had a2dp config so it must hit pulseaudio
Oct 26 02:34:49 <monte_> ayuda me con excitan pls
Oct 26 02:35:12 <wrea> would be nice to package avahi and the avahi plugin for pulse to make finding computers you can stream to easy
Oct 26 02:36:08 <hewball> yes it would, funny enough i know the lathiat very well, but he missed out on a touchpad
Oct 26 02:36:56 <wrea> I havent been in #avahi in years
Oct 26 02:37:02 <ka6sox> monte_, poquito espanol aqui.
Oct 26 02:37:17 <wrea> Lennart and Trent probably dont even remember me
Oct 26 02:37:26 <flaimbait> si
Oct 26 02:37:43 <hewball> wrea: trent is lathiat btw
Oct 26 02:37:50 <wrea> I know :)
Oct 26 02:37:58 <hewball> :D
Oct 26 02:38:21 <hewball> amazing how small comminities really are
Oct 26 02:38:34 <wrea> I was in there around the time of the first release of avahi
Oct 26 02:38:35 <wrea> Yeah
Oct 26 02:39:19 <wrea> I was in there for 2-3 years afaik
Oct 26 02:50:17 <jb_____> hello
Oct 26 02:50:27 <clngaddafi> i am not dead
Oct 26 02:51:52 <Guest20099> anyone know why the backup app would bring my frankenpre 2 to a screechin halt.  took me while to figure out it was the culprit...I turned off backups and rebooted and all is fine... I turned backups on and pre2 came to a grinding halt again....
Oct 26 02:52:17 <rwhitby> yep, backing up lots of stuff uses lots of memory
Oct 26 02:52:46 <jb_____> cannot get the update to middle system
Oct 26 02:53:09 <Guest20099> why did it work before....? it seems that the backup is not completing...and just seems to hang....
Oct 26 02:53:25 <hewball> so internal soundcard http://pastie.org/2759814  and using a2dp http://pastie.org/2759820
Oct 26 02:53:40 <hewball> no additional sound card shows up for asound
Oct 26 02:53:44 <jb_____> cannot get the update to muffle system logging to work.Any ideas?
Oct 26 02:54:44 <rwhitby> jb_____: have you read the "Important Notes" in the patching section of http://bit.ly/phd-ac ?
Oct 26 02:55:07 <jb_____> no
Oct 26 02:55:34 <jb_____> I'll do that now,thanks
Oct 26 02:56:29 <Guest20099> rwhitby: why run backup then if it doesn't work?
Oct 26 02:56:49 <Guest20099> rwhitby: it used to for for many months...
Oct 26 02:59:23 <hewball> and internal audio playing sound http://pastie.org/2759836
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