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Oct 27 03:01:00 <wrea> fudge_i3, under Device Info?
Oct 27 03:01:47 <fudge_i3> activation screen is in the way
Oct 27 03:01:59 <fudge_i3> any other way?
Oct 27 03:03:01 <wrea> on my veer it printed with the SN on the back of the phone
Oct 27 03:03:02 <fudge_i3> the original board was swapped
Oct 27 03:03:30 <fudge_i3> i never owned anything beyond 1st gen pre and pixi
Oct 27 03:03:31 <fudge_i3> :3
Oct 27 03:04:50 <wrea> A long around about way would be to metadoctor it to get past activation to see what it is in Device Info, then doctor back
Oct 27 03:05:20 <jmichaelx> anyone else getting ipkg 'unreversed patch' errors upon trying to upgrade (or remove) the dropped packet patch?
Oct 27 03:23:07 <rocketeerbkw> do preware software/patch updates come with changelogs?
Oct 27 03:28:38 <wanderer__> fudge_i3, what device?
Oct 27 03:30:41 <wanderer__> fudge_i3, use PmModemInfo
Oct 27 03:30:52 <rwhitby> fudge_i3: memboot it to the recovery kernel, and then use PmModemInfo
Oct 27 03:31:12 <rwhitby> that can be done on any device in any state
Oct 27 04:37:07 <fudge_i3> thanks rwhitby and wrea and wanderer__
Oct 27 04:37:30 <bhuey> folks
Oct 27 04:37:53 <rwhitby> rocketeerbkw: that's up to the authors - most packages authored by WebOS Internals do. Most patch authors don't seem to do so.
Oct 27 04:38:00 <fudge_i3> i ended up just converting the IMEI number from the rtn menu to a ESN value
Oct 27 04:39:19 <dwc-> rocketeerbkw: I usually end up pulling the .ipks down unpacking htem and diff'ing their patches
Oct 27 04:39:27 <fudge_i3> http://www.meidconverter.com/ pretty useful site
Oct 27 04:59:49 <benklop> is there a fix for, after 3.0.4, the tab key makes the '9' character instead of tab in Xorg?
Oct 27 05:06:47 <dwc-> update the apps
Oct 27 05:07:00 <dwc-> iirc that was worked around already
Oct 27 05:17:05 <benklop> dwc-: thanks, that's much better :-)
Oct 27 06:21:04 <jmichaelx> anyone else getting ipkg 'unreversed patch' errors upon trying to upgrade (or remove) the dropped packet patch?
Oct 27 06:37:05 <rwhitby> that's common
Oct 27 06:37:27 <rwhitby> Use the Saved Packages List and Emergency Patch Removal to get rid of it.
Oct 27 06:41:34 <hucksy> uh, new mundu IM stays online when you closing the app
Oct 27 08:07:41 <technikfreak> hello is it possible to connect the touchpad to a sharepoint calender?
Oct 27 13:25:34 <Nimo> Hi all
Oct 27 13:27:04 <Nimo> wouaw very quite or everyone is ignoring me lol
Oct 27 13:27:35 <Nimo> anyone had time to play with the new kalemsoft media player (0.5.0)?
Oct 27 14:14:09 <EricBlade> hmm. it would appear that the TouchVol app in preware installation is not working right
Oct 27 15:47:17 <hiddenpremise> Hey I've written an app to manage the moboot bootloader settings from inside webos. Is there anyone dual booting in the channel that would like to run it once or twice for me before I post publicly?
Oct 27 16:12:56 <hiddenpremise> If anyone is up to try it. This is an app that manages moboot (bootloader for those of us dualboot android) from inside webos. http://rootzwiki.com/topic/8273-beta-an-app-to-manage-moboot-settings-from-inside-webos/ I will try to get it on preware once it is tested well
Oct 27 16:58:05 <iamLXM> Hello, is there anyone? I have a question about kernel
Oct 27 16:58:57 <iamLXM> how to configure the kernel or the u-boot to show informations of the kernel during booting?
Oct 27 17:01:21 <grep_awesome> iamLXM: I am not aware of an easy way to do this at the moment, but someone on the team might be able to help. The channel is usually more active in the evenings (US Eastern time)
Oct 27 17:21:25 <jmichaelx> i keep having various problems with preware. it will sync with the repos, and then just sit and spin forever, saying ti is 'reading package list'. also, i have been getting ipkg errors for both upgrading and removing the dropped packets logging kernel patch. any suggestions?
Oct 27 17:31:20 <dwc-> I've heard a reboot fixes the spinner issue
Oct 27 17:31:36 <Major> Morning all
Oct 27 17:31:52 <dwc-> I believe saved packages list + emergency patch removal is the fix for the patch
Oct 27 17:32:52 <Major> Is there a list of files that webos contains on the wiki? I'm looking to see if rsync is on it
Oct 27 17:35:29 <Major> nevermind i found it on the wiki
Oct 27 17:39:37 <dwc-> afaik, no rsync by default
Oct 27 18:17:42 <dwc-> huh. apparently I dont' do this enoguh. I just noticed on restore it restored the *old* version of some apps ... and then immediately prompted me to update them
Oct 27 18:27:25 <grep_awesome> does internalz pro's installer run the custom scripts like webosquickinstall or preware does when it installs an ipk?
Oct 27 18:29:20 <grep_awesome> by custom scripts I mean the postinst and the pmPostInstall.script
Oct 27 18:51:13 <Qube> hi all.   question about how I can submit a patch into preware?
Oct 27 18:53:27 <dwc-> patches.webos-internals.org
Oct 27 18:53:59 <Qube> cool, thanks
Oct 27 20:36:27 <jmichaelx> i keep having various problems with preware. it will sync with the repos, and then just sit and spin forever, saying ti is 'reading package list'. also, i have been getting ipkg errors for both upgrading and removing the dropped packets logging kernel patch. any suggestions?
Oct 27 20:51:10 <eliasp> http://mashable.com/2011/10/27/hp-will-keep-its-pc-division-meg-whitman-decides/
Oct 27 20:52:46 <eliasp> “As part of HP, PSG will continue to give customers and partners the advantages of product innovation and global scale across the industry’s broadest portfolio of PCs, workstations and more,”
Oct 27 20:52:56 <eliasp> does "...and more" mean "webOS"?
Oct 27 20:53:11 <summatusmentis> nothing has been said about webOS
Oct 27 20:53:20 <eliasp> yes, but it is still part of PSG
Oct 27 20:53:31 <summatusmentis> yes, technically
Oct 27 20:53:35 <eliasp> so I'm still hoping for more good news ;)
Oct 27 20:53:58 <eliasp> but the leaving of R. Kerris on the other hand tells a different story ;(
Oct 27 20:54:11 <summatusmentis> well, it just means he got an opportunity, and took it
Oct 27 20:54:31 <summatusmentis> we'll see, there's apparently a press call happening in 15 mins or so
Oct 27 20:54:32 <eliasp> ok, right... from one sinking ship to another (little larger) sinking ship? ;)
Oct 27 20:54:49 <eliasp> great, can't wait for some more news... let's see
Oct 27 21:04:51 <dwc-> jmichaelx: I already gave you an answer, scroll up
Oct 27 21:05:22 <jmichaelx> dwc-: sorry, i was gone for a few hours, and saw no private massages. many thanks for responding
Oct 27 21:05:43 <dwc-> don't expect people to answer you in /msg
Oct 27 21:06:18 <summatusmentis> indeed, decidedly not the point of IRC
Oct 27 21:07:19 <jmichaelx> yea... i u sed the wrong term... i had no indicator showing that i had been addressed
Oct 27 21:07:29 * jmichaelx rolls eyes
Oct 27 21:10:34 <jmichaelx> dwc-: reboot does fix the whole 'reading packages list' thing, but only for a while. i have had to reboot several times now in order to use preware
Oct 28 00:38:19 <zumzu> so... you guys probably tried it before, but how about asking HP to opensource WebOS? I mean not simply 1-2 times in a forum. how about a website, petition etc.?
Oct 28 00:42:05 <zumzu> no? how about bruteforce e-mail pleading, ddos servers until a positive answer, kidnap hp-boss? (just joking)
Oct 28 00:44:07 <zumzu> awww.... hope tizen.org will manage to bring a hackable phone.
Oct 28 00:57:13 <Tibfib_> "you guys probably tried it before"
Oct 28 00:58:14 <rwhitby> all the people who could possibly influence HP to open source webOS have already left.
Oct 28 00:58:43 <Clark008> any idea to the future of webos?
Oct 28 00:58:49 <Tibfib_> except matt
Oct 28 00:58:53 * dwc- flushes the remaining 1.2b down the drain
Oct 28 00:59:02 <Tibfib_> mcnulty. Although how long, no one knows...
Oct 28 00:59:06 <dwc-> s/remaining/remaining of the /
Oct 28 01:00:09 <Qube> eliasp, um - I thought webOs was moved out of PSG into the Office of Science and Technology
Oct 28 01:06:37 <Qube> time to go home... just submitted a patch to remove the launcher bar - im much happier with it gone
Oct 28 01:07:32 <Clark008> I thought there's already a patch for that...
Oct 28 01:08:16 <Clark008> oh nevermind, it was for launcher button
Oct 28 01:09:21 <Clark008> I'm having problem using patch for custom browser gestures... one of the hunks failed... how do I fix that?
Oct 28 01:09:35 <Qube> I was suprised there wasn't one already too
Oct 28 01:09:39 <EricBlade> Clark008: remove whatever other patches you have that affect the browser
Oct 28 01:10:06 <Qube> just patching a single file?
Oct 28 01:10:29 <Qube> browse the directory and hopefully you'll see the file.orig there
Oct 28 01:10:44 <Qube> just copy it over the broken one
Oct 28 01:12:56 <Clark008> in postinst, it says unable to run command: ipkg_offline_root
Oct 28 01:13:15 <Clark008> seems to be common with some other patches I tried earlier...
Oct 28 01:14:32 <Clark008> I think the only other patch I have for broswer is the private browsing patch
Oct 28 01:14:38 <Clark008> would that conflict?
Oct 28 01:16:56 <rwhitby> Tibfib_: McNulty could possibly influence Enyo being open sourced. Not webOS as a whole.
Oct 28 01:17:33 <Qube> I had a load of patch conflicts yesterday - and to resort to the Emergency PAtch Recovery tool to remove them all - then reinstall... this was due to 3.0.2->3.0.4 borking some of the patches resulting in loads I couldn't upgrade or remove
Oct 28 01:17:59 <Qube> thankfully preware keeps a list of installed patches, so they are easily reinstalled once you are clean
Oct 28 01:18:11 <rwhitby> yep, that's the recommended flow
Oct 28 01:18:25 <Clark008> hmm..
Oct 28 01:18:41 <Clark008> guess I'll remove all and start in the opposite order
Oct 28 01:18:42 <rwhitby> AUPT-6 should hopefully fix some of those issues, but it's only in early alpha testing
Oct 28 01:19:35 <EricBlade> Clark008: as far as i understand, multiple patches that work on the same file are not very well if at all supported
Oct 28 01:19:48 <Qube> Coincidentally, we just got a Engineering seminar invite called "The Economic Value of Open Source"
Oct 28 01:19:52 <EricBlade> so if one patch modifies the browser config file, and another one tries to, it won't go
Oct 28 01:19:58 <Clark008> oh, anyone notice higher battery drains with some patches?
Oct 28 01:19:59 <Clark008> I see
Oct 28 01:19:59 <Qube> don't get your hopes up tho... it isn't webos related
Oct 28 01:20:50 <Qube> Clark008, patches or the 3.0.4 upgrade?
Oct 28 01:21:13 <Clark008> standby is still <1% drain, but basic navigation drains a few % off already... it's odd
Oct 28 01:21:32 <Clark008> not sure, I did the whole 3.0.4 and preware right after
Oct 28 01:22:06 <Qube> I noticed rapid draining after the 3.0.4 upgrade
Oct 28 01:22:23 <Clark008> hmm...
Oct 28 01:22:31 <Qube> yesterday I let the battery run dry, recharged to 100% and it appears to have fixed* it (*recalibrated the battery)
Oct 28 01:22:45 <Clark008> conclusive?
Oct 28 01:22:50 <Qube> still at 73% after 10 hours
Oct 28 01:23:01 <Qube> conclusive? no. but it worked for me
Oct 28 01:23:25 <Qube> since the 3.0.4 upgrade, before what I did yesterday, I would have been down to 30% by now
Oct 28 01:23:37 <Clark008> my standby was awesome, use to be days before I charge and with moderate web surfing and emails
Oct 28 01:23:46 <Qube> same here
Oct 28 01:23:54 <Clark008> kk, I'll try recalibrating
Oct 28 01:24:09 <Clark008> full drain then full charge?
Oct 28 01:24:10 <Qube> one way of looking at this: It can't hurt to try.
Oct 28 01:24:14 <Qube> yes
Oct 28 01:24:14 <Clark008> true
Oct 28 01:25:34 <Clark008> what's the difference between the buttah and increase touch sensitivity and smoothness pkg?
Oct 28 01:27:13 <Qube> Clark008, I can't quite tell.
Oct 28 01:27:53 <Clark008> it seems to be the same, but different versions...
Oct 28 01:28:00 <Clark008> not sure which one to use...
Oct 28 01:28:15 <Clark008> although I have a theory that it's this tweak that drains battery faster
Oct 28 01:28:27 <Clark008> but not conclusive...
Oct 28 01:29:02 <rwhitby> EricBlade: in general, if the patches modify different parts of the file, all is ok.
Oct 28 01:29:26 <Qube> cool... my patch has been approved within 30 minutes.  Apple Corp this isn't.
Oct 28 01:29:41 <Clark008> nice
Oct 28 01:29:46 <EricBlade> clark: basically the same, but they use different numbers
Oct 28 01:30:02 <rwhitby> The main issue with AUPT-4 is if a patch modifies many different files from different webOS stock packages, and some of those packages get updated in an OTA and some of them don't.
Oct 28 01:30:12 <rwhitby> Qube: that would be because I just looked at it ;)
Oct 28 01:30:22 <Clark008> ^^
Oct 28 01:30:28 <Qube> rwhitby, I love you. ;)
Oct 28 01:30:35 <Clark008> so do I go for higher version numbers?
Oct 28 01:30:59 <Qube> Clark008, I guess you could download but not install them, and compare
Oct 28 01:31:11 <Qube> most likely they are only a few lines long anyway
Oct 28 01:31:28 <rwhitby> Qube: should be in the feeds on the next autobuilder run, usually within the hour
Oct 28 01:32:23 <Clark008> I guess I'll go with the most updated one =p
Oct 28 01:33:23 <Clark008> rwhitby - any ideas on failed installs or just the conflict thing?
Oct 28 01:33:30 <rwhitby> Re: buttah - there's a precentral thread which compares them
Oct 28 01:33:36 <Clark008> cool
Oct 28 01:33:59 <rwhitby> Clark008: saved packages and EPR
Oct 28 01:35:07 <Qube> rwhitby, great :)
Oct 28 01:35:43 <Clark008> I'm new to preware, I'm not sure what you meant by that lol
Oct 28 01:39:23 <Qube> Clark008, its what I said about about recovering from bad patches
Oct 28 01:39:53 <Clark008> ah, emergency patch recovery
Oct 28 01:40:07 <Qube> 23 mins ago
Oct 28 01:40:09 <Qube> yup
Oct 28 01:40:25 <Clark008> I see the saved pkg list in preware menu
Oct 28 01:40:33 <Clark008> where's emergency patch recovery?
Oct 28 01:41:26 <Qube> preware download
Oct 28 01:41:35 <Qube> remember to hit "update" in the saved pkg list
Oct 28 01:41:45 <Clark008> cool
Oct 28 01:44:59 <Clark008> what exactly does epr do?
Oct 28 01:46:20 <Clark008> or rather, how do I use it with saving pkg list?
Oct 28 01:52:00 <Clark008> lol, I just installed the no launcher bar pkg
Oct 28 01:52:22 <Clark008> I like it, Qube
Oct 28 02:20:15 <Clark008> do you use unset cfq io sched patch if you switch default palm gov to ondemandtcl 1512?
Oct 28 02:27:35 <Qube> Clark008, thanks man. :)
Oct 28 02:27:52 <Clark008> =)
Oct 28 02:28:03 <Qube> epr downloads originals of the things you patched
Oct 28 02:28:17 <Clark008> it looks clean without the launcher bar
Oct 28 02:28:36 <Clark008> also, I think I saw a bigger card thingy, that would look awesome without the launcher bar
Oct 28 02:28:40 <Qube> I was doing all the patches to give me 8 icons, etc.. then it dawned on me that I actually didn't like it being there
Oct 28 02:28:55 <Qube> bigger cardpatch is cool
Oct 28 02:29:11 <Clark008> do you use unset cfq io sched patch if you switch default palm gov to ondemandtcl 1512?
Oct 28 02:29:24 <Qube> I use both
Oct 28 02:29:35 <Clark008> cool
Oct 28 02:29:42 <Qube> only advise I saw was to not use the unset cfq if you used the f4 kernels
Oct 28 02:29:52 <Clark008> was wondering cause summary in unset cfg patch said something about conflicts or whatever
Oct 28 02:30:04 <Clark008> f4 kernels?
Oct 28 02:30:08 <Qube> nod... didn't mention uber there tho
Oct 28 02:30:47 <Clark008> I only grabbed uberkernel and govnah, the other profile than palm default is ondemandtcl 1512, so I assume this is optimal for tp?
Oct 28 02:31:07 <Qube> it is the 1.5Ghz bump
Oct 28 02:31:17 <Clark008> I noticed
Oct 28 02:31:27 <Clark008> also, it doesn't look like cpu2 is in use...
Oct 28 02:31:48 <Qube> I have to say that with the 3.0.4 speed inprovements, and the 1.5ghz, this thing flies... I've never noticed a slowdown yet
Oct 28 02:31:59 <Qube> it uses it when it needs to
Oct 28 02:32:26 <Clark008> cool
Oct 28 02:32:32 <Clark008> hope I'm tweaking all the right things
Oct 28 02:32:45 <jmichaelx> ok, i am having issue with the system logging patch.... i cannot upgrade nor remove it... what would the best thing be to do in that situation?
Oct 28 02:32:57 <Qube> jmichaelx, EPR
Oct 28 02:33:11 <jmichaelx> Qube: how is that done?
Oct 28 02:33:24 <Clark008> Qube, what other preware pkgs do you use?
Oct 28 02:33:46 <Clark008> jmichaelx - search for emergency patch recovery in preware
Oct 28 02:34:00 <Qube> Preware: "Saved Package List" -> "update" to keep a list of all your patches
Oct 28 02:34:14 <Qube> then in preware install Emergency Patch Recovery
Oct 28 02:34:19 <Qube> reboot
Oct 28 02:34:41 <Qube> and go back into the Saved Package List and reinstall the patches (or download/updates from preware)
Oct 28 02:35:33 <Qube> Clark008 Reduce Minimum Brightness is good if you read in bed
Oct 28 02:35:57 <Qube> Private Browsing to, ahem, hide your "habits"
Oct 28 02:36:12 <Clark008> lol
Oct 28 02:36:35 <Qube> also make sure you follow the getting started guide - because that lists others
Oct 28 02:36:53 <Clark008> getting started guide?
Oct 28 02:37:07 <Qube> sticky in the precentral touchpad forum
Oct 28 02:37:13 <Clark008> kk
Oct 28 02:38:01 <Qube> Advanced Reset Options is 5*
Oct 28 02:38:45 <Qube> have to go shower and go out for inner... this living in a hotel business sucks
Oct 28 02:38:52 <Qube> *dinner
Oct 28 02:39:20 <jmichaelx> Clark008: ok, just ran EPR... although it is a bit unclear to me what it actually just did
Oct 28 02:40:08 <jmichaelx> does EPR remove all kernel patches?
Oct 28 02:42:01 <Clark008> <Qube> epr downloads originals of the things you patched
Oct 28 02:42:26 <rwhitby> epr doesn't actually download anything
Oct 28 02:42:34 <rwhitby> the originals are all saved on the device. epr restores them.
Oct 28 02:42:39 <Clark008> I see
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