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Oct 29 04:11:26 <Clark008> I can't get touchplayer to work on either 1.04 or 1.05 =\
Oct 29 04:42:24 <elfurbe> I'm not asking for a guarantee of any type, but I'm just curious if anyone has any comments on the general status of the F15 alpha kernel? Ie: is it booting pretty consistently and generally fun to play with? :D
Oct 29 04:53:57 <ka6sox> read the forum thread
Oct 29 05:12:38 <elfurbe> I have, I was just curious if anyone had any anecdotal evidence to add. Honest question: is it not alright to ask in channel how people are getting along with it? I know it's alpha, does that preclude it from normal discussion?
Oct 29 05:13:52 <rwhitby> the sample set of people in this IRC channel who are running it is much smaller than the set of people in the forum posting their test results
Oct 29 05:14:33 <rwhitby> in general, people will tell us pretty loudly when they lose data or have to doctor
Oct 29 05:16:10 <elfurbe> Sure, but if there are people in here running it, my experience with the channel is that I would get both useful and meaningful feedback from them
Oct 29 05:16:56 <elfurbe> But if that's not what channel is intended for, that's fine
Oct 29 05:19:31 <rwhitby> if you're a genuine alpha or beta tester, that's what the channel is for
Oct 29 05:21:08 <elfurbe> But not if you're a casual tinkerer :D Message received. Not looking to be a problem.
Oct 29 05:21:45 <rwhitby> it's not a problem either way
Oct 29 05:22:21 <rwhitby> if you've already read the thread, you're well ahead of most people using it ;)
Oct 29 05:24:00 <elfurbe> Heh, yeah, I get that feeling from the thread in some ways :D
Oct 29 05:26:27 <elfurbe> I don't mind setting my device on fire, but years of experience have taught me I'm the worst tester ever. When things break, I just go bugnuts changing everything I can think of until it works again, invariably leading to the loss of important debugging i
Oct 29 05:26:27 <elfurbe> nformation. Not to mention I'm just generally impatient. Leaving something broken for an extended period for study rather than the aforementioned flurry of activity is kinda painful. :D
Oct 29 06:21:38 <eieio> sup?
Oct 29 08:06:34 <ziplock503> just got preware on my pre3 woot
Oct 29 08:07:37 <ziplock503> whats new in the 2.2.3 pre3 update??
Oct 29 08:12:45 <ziplock503> besides worse battery life
Oct 29 10:04:48 <smdasap> hello
Oct 29 10:07:17 <Newbeeans> Hi all :-) Is there a channel for help with Pre not booting? I don't want to violate your room rules.
Oct 29 10:14:09 <ackatack> hello
Oct 29 10:15:04 <ackatack> Does anyone know anything about this: http://pastebin.com/VNqct5MN
Oct 29 10:15:41 <ackatack> Am I even in the correct area?
Oct 29 10:16:02 <ackatack> Sorry for being such a blog.
Oct 29 10:16:23 <ackatack> Oops, noob.
Oct 29 10:45:10 <rwhitby> ackatack: saved package list and EPR are the search terms you're looking for
Oct 29 10:58:05 <Clark008> I get those failed pkgs a low, I did the saved pkg list and epr, still no go
Oct 29 10:58:12 <Clark008> lot*
Oct 29 10:58:24 <Clark008> couldn't get private browsing to work...
Oct 29 11:12:19 <drowl> hoot
Oct 29 11:19:26 <drowl> oh I so love using gsm from the train
Oct 29 13:59:41 <DjIcextreme> Hi Guys
Oct 29 14:00:09 <DjIcextreme> I have a Pre 3 it get stucks at the bootloader (just shows HP's logo) any idea how I can recover it??
Oct 29 14:03:46 <DjIcextreme2> Hello
Oct 29 14:04:24 <hewball> DjIcextreme:  does it have data on it?
Oct 29 14:04:38 <DjIcextreme> Yes but its oky if it gets wiped
Oct 29 14:07:15 <hewball> try the doctor on it?
Oct 29 14:07:24 <DjIcextreme> doesn't work
Oct 29 14:07:32 <DjIcextreme> couldn't get it into USB sync mode
Oct 29 14:07:54 <hewball> with the volume button?
Oct 29 14:08:29 <DjIcextreme> hmmm I tried holidng Volume up and nothing happed :(
Oct 29 14:13:16 <DjIcextreme> It seems the bootloader is bad :( is there any way to force the device to recoverymode?
Oct 29 16:47:27 <roy-pre101> >sigh<  Having a beast of a time getting this new pre 2 working on Sprint.  Took radio board from old franken-pre 2 and put it in this one but it is not recognized on the network.
Oct 29 19:47:45 <dawm> to what email should i send failed installs/removals?
Oct 29 19:48:01 <dawm> muffle logging patch isnt updating/removing on 3.0.4
Oct 29 19:49:28 <dwc-> save package list and emergency patch removal
Oct 29 19:55:18 <dawm> thanks!
Oct 29 21:35:23 <green--> anybody have any ideas on the modem interaction in 4g touchpad? like what process actually drives the modem for example?
Oct 29 21:43:43 <rwhitby> green--: TIL (Telephony Interface Layer)
Oct 29 21:45:23 <green--> do you know how to init it to be used with an already activated sim card?
Oct 29 21:45:56 <rwhitby> should just work
Oct 29 21:46:06 <rwhitby> does for me in Australia
Oct 29 21:47:02 <green--> whe I plug my iphone simcard in, the at&t communication manager stick in "Initializing..." phase
Oct 29 21:47:33 <rwhitby> but I'm not using any AT&T stuff, which I assume they lock out if you're not using the precise data plan they require for touchpads, since AT&T have some idea that 1's and 0's are different depending on what device they go to.
Oct 29 21:47:49 <rwhitby> are you using an AT&T sim or some other carrier?
Oct 29 21:48:04 <green--> at&t
Oct 29 21:48:13 <rwhitby> that'll be your problem then
Oct 29 21:48:42 <rwhitby> touchpad data plan or some other data plan?
Oct 29 21:48:43 <green--> well, since my iphone does have data service, it's possible to use it (and even tethering)
Oct 29 21:48:58 <green--> perhaps just some massage is needed to the config to connect to the right bits
Oct 29 21:49:21 <rwhitby> this is AT&T. just cause an iPhone can use a data plan doesn't mean a Touchpad can
Oct 29 21:49:45 <green--> well, it just mens touchpad is connecting to something else and fails.
Oct 29 21:50:21 <green--> there was this big fiasco with iOS 3.0.1 where you just plug in special settings file and enable tethering
Oct 29 21:50:28 <green--> 3.1 disabled this
Oct 29 21:50:42 <green--> but it's a purely software thing apparently
Oct 29 21:54:01 <rwhitby> it'll be in the AT&T sim card manager thing (a carrier ipk)
Oct 29 21:54:24 <rwhitby> definately software, and definitely binary :)
Oct 29 21:55:11 <green--> at&t communcation manager is apparently depending on some underlying stuff
Oct 29 21:55:21 <green--> I wonder how to tell this underlying stuff how to connect
Oct 29 21:56:39 <green--> interesting that even with the iphone card kernel fully reports that the connection upstream is establised, but the wwan interface does not go up
Oct 29 21:58:58 <rwhitby> yep, it's guaranteed to be specific AT&T logic in that service to prohibit using other data plans
Oct 29 22:00:44 <green--> [ 2946.115481] cdc_ncm: wwan0: 21 mbit/s downlink 5 mbit/s uplink
Oct 29 22:00:50 <green--> I guess I'll dig further, sigh
Oct 29 22:05:40 <green--> rwhitby: btw do phone calls work for you too?
Oct 29 22:08:39 <rwhitby> no, phone calls don't work directly on a touchpad
Oct 29 22:14:07 <newage> can someone point me to a good guide to speeding up a Pre- (1.4.5)?
Oct 29 22:23:21 <ackatack> hello
Oct 29 22:28:26 <green--> rwhitby: apparently no source provided for /usr/lib/libPmWanPppPlugin.so which is a ppp plugin. I wonder if these are bound by gpl too? ;)
Oct 29 22:50:58 <rwhitby> if they are, you know where to write to. for real released GPL works, HP responds quite quickly.
Oct 29 23:39:55 <esperz1nski> hey anyone here?
Oct 29 23:40:35 <esperz1nski> when I install Preware from my cpu to my tablet, Do I need to still be in developer mode to use preware for installing stuff? Or can I turn it back off
Oct 29 23:49:52 <Guest32878> trying to run f4 beta... The instructions for section say "start xserver" then retun to xecutah and run "xterm"... For me running xecutah does not have xserver
Oct 29 23:50:11 <Guest32878> it only has xterm
Oct 29 23:50:27 <dtzWill> Guest32878: just run xterm
Oct 29 23:50:31 <dtzWill> it auto-runs xserver now
Oct 29 23:50:43 <dtzWill> what guide/etc are you using? it sounds outdated
Oct 29 23:50:55 <dtzWill> (xecutah has auto-run xserver for a while now)
Oct 29 23:50:56 <Guest32878> I was hoping that. Thanks
Oct 29 23:51:19 <Guest32878> instructions read otherwise...
Oct 29 23:53:16 <donovan> hi guys!
Oct 29 23:53:45 <donovan> how can i configure fvwm to start automatically with xecutah?
Oct 29 23:53:58 <donovan> been trying for hours without success :-(
Oct 29 23:54:28 <donovan> pls help
Oct 29 23:54:41 <esperz1nski> Anyone answer quick question to please if anyone has quick moment.
Oct 29 23:54:47 <esperz1nski> when I install Preware from my cpu to my tablet, Do I need to still be in developer mode to use preware for installing stuff? Or can I turn it back off
Oct 29 23:55:58 <Guest32878> I was reading at testing feedz but the info is insufficiant for some one at my level so I am trolling google for the rest of the info
Oct 29 23:59:42 <Guest32878> my level being rather low
Oct 30 00:02:54 <Guest32878> oh, and I have read the rules.
Oct 30 00:05:51 <dwc-> esperz1nski: no, you can turn developer mode off afterwards
Oct 30 00:06:27 <dwc-> Guest32878: where's the instructions you're following?
Oct 30 00:06:55 <Guest32878> should anything happen once I type "mkir -p /var/prefe....." et al into xterm? I typed it as shown on testing feeds
Oct 30 00:07:03 <Guest32878> and nothing apears to happen
Oct 30 00:07:22 <Guest32878> I am on the webosinternas testing feeds wiki page
Oct 30 00:07:42 <Guest32878> but I was unsure how to run from comand line so I had to google to find out how
Oct 30 00:08:02 <dtzWill> Guest32878: just run both those commands as listed
Oct 30 00:08:11 <Guest32878> I think I am ready to reinstall preware now...
Oct 30 00:08:14 <dtzWill> Guest32878: neither command should print anything
Oct 30 00:08:34 <Guest32878> right..but running them appears to do nothing...I get no verifications or anything...is that right?
Oct 30 00:08:40 <Guest32878> ok thanks
Oct 30 00:09:48 <dtzWill> Guest32878: np :)
Oct 30 00:10:55 <Guest32878> hey as a tip I recomend checking out your local tec shops clearance bins...I got a spare touchstone for 25$ in staples the other day
Oct 30 00:12:15 <dwc-> nice
Oct 30 00:18:38 <Guest32878> time for a restart ..thanks again
Oct 30 00:30:41 <lost> back...it have the feeds liste now
Oct 30 00:32:23 <Guest56449> if I was to install cm7 does the overclock effect that as well?
Oct 30 00:32:58 <Guest56449> I don't think so but just asking
Oct 30 00:36:22 <Guest56449> ok..any thoughts on warthog vs f4 then?
Oct 30 00:37:54 <dwc-> no it doesn't
Oct 30 00:45:32 <Guest56449> went with f4...seemed more advanced and better updated...restarting.
Oct 30 02:11:42 <Darkmagister> hi
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