**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 02 02:59:57 2011
Nov 02 06:42:12 <hewball> i just found a down side to an unreleased phone, need to find a passive booster for antenna and work out where it gets better signal
Nov 02 06:44:59 <trout> raw deal man.
Nov 02 06:45:46 <hewball> it is a pre3 so i cant complain too much
Nov 02 06:53:07 <Shorty_> hewball: DIDDUMS :P
Nov 02 06:53:09 <Shorty_> ahaaha
Nov 02 07:02:07 <wrea> Got firther with compiling pulseaudio, still fails, but the zeroconf modules were built
Nov 02 07:13:04 <hewball> ahh nice
Nov 02 07:13:20 <hewball> sconix: released his pulseaudio app into feeds too :D
Nov 02 07:20:28 <wrea> yup
Nov 02 08:54:24 <technikfreak> hi does someone when the icq synergy apps will come out_
Nov 02 12:47:13 <hewball> anyone know of any parrot  bluetooth car kits that webos supports?
Nov 02 14:51:09 <grungy> Does anyone know a good place to ask about webos doctor?
Nov 02 14:51:57 <grungy> It won't make it past 12% and looks like novacom fails to open a temp socket
Nov 02 14:52:42 <grep_awesome> I don't know much about it... But for curiosity's sake, what os are you on?
Nov 02 14:53:15 <grungy> osx
Nov 02 14:53:20 <grungy> and I've tried windows
Nov 02 14:53:22 <grungy> xp
Nov 02 14:53:49 <grep_awesome> what is the state of your touchpad? does it boot?
Nov 02 14:54:02 <grungy> doesn't boot :(
Nov 02 14:54:12 <grep_awesome> hmm, and where did you get your copy of webos doctor?
Nov 02 14:54:36 <grungy> http://ws.palm.com/webosdoctor/serialnumberinitial.htm
Nov 02 14:54:47 <grep_awesome> gotcha
Nov 02 14:54:55 <grep_awesome> your java, what version are you running?
Nov 02 14:55:11 <grungy> java version "1.6.0_26"
Nov 02 14:56:20 <grep_awesome> are you putting the tp in the recover mode by holding the up volume key on initial boot?
Nov 02 14:57:15 <grungy> I think so webos doctor wouldn't start trying to flash it if it wasn't right?
Nov 02 14:57:20 <grungy> novacom_register_client:499: Opening temp channel, device 0x103e10
Nov 02 14:57:23 <grungy> it hangs about there
Nov 02 14:57:36 <grungy> I get the picture of the microcontroller with the arrow
Nov 02 14:57:41 <grungy> on the hp touchpad
Nov 02 15:00:07 <grep_awesome> hmm, I think it is safe to say we can't blame your java or your os. I think your device is what should be concentrated on
Nov 02 15:00:38 <grep_awesome> when you first plug it into yoru comp to use the doctor, what do you see on the screen? you get the micro controller icon half way through the flash right?
Nov 02 15:01:02 <grungy> got it at like 8%? I think
Nov 02 15:01:06 <grungy> then it stops at 12%
Nov 02 15:01:10 <grungy> and never goes any further
Nov 02 15:04:09 <grep_awesome> To me, it is a blackbox. I have no idea why that is happening, but if it were me, I'd start monkeying around with the device. Maybe try putting it into recover mode before plugging in. If that doesn't work try to find the telnet port and watch the failing boot process. Maybe load up the Cyanogen android mod, get root, and blow out the webos partition
Nov 02 15:06:15 <grungy> how good is the android mod?
Nov 02 15:06:22 <pierreee> awesome,.
Nov 02 15:06:41 <grep_awesome> meh
Nov 02 15:06:50 <grungy> does it work well?
Nov 02 15:06:56 <grep_awesome> it is a work in progress, but the cyanogen team is great
Nov 02 15:07:18 <grep_awesome> there is good community support, and 90% of everything works well
Nov 02 15:08:10 <grungy> maybe I'll try that
Nov 02 15:08:37 <grungy> it looks like novacom can't connect or something. But I'm not really familiar with this architecture
Nov 02 15:09:05 <Lazar_Dobrescu> can you novaterm into it?
Nov 02 15:09:09 <Lazar_Dobrescu> normally at 12% is the mark where you can
Nov 02 15:09:15 <grep_awesome> yeah, if you grab root through a terminal, you can blow that webos partition out. To me, and this a broad jump, I'd guess that the doctor isn't blowing out some osrt of problem file in webos that is causing the comm to be flaky
Nov 02 15:09:21 <amblin> possible to install a patch from a url? It downloads and I get an invalid mime type when I try to open, do i need another tool/app? preware is installed and working fine
Nov 02 15:10:46 <grungy> I'll try to novaterm into it
Nov 02 15:11:18 <grungy> I have root on it
Nov 02 15:11:20 <grep_awesome> even if you can't novaterm, try tellnet
Nov 02 15:11:31 <grep_awesome> I'll have to look up the port
Nov 02 15:11:41 <grep_awesome> but you can telnet and watch the boot / death process
Nov 02 15:11:53 <grungy> I have a root shell on it
Nov 02 15:11:59 <grungy> I'm just not sure what to do now lol
Nov 02 15:12:06 <grep_awesome> oh, you have it up?
Nov 02 15:12:11 <Lazar_Dobrescu> grungy: dosfsck -r /dev/mapper/store-media
Nov 02 15:12:53 <grep_awesome> tail -n 500 /var/log/messages
Nov 02 15:13:00 <grep_awesome> they copy paste that into a pastebin
Nov 02 15:13:28 <Lazar_Dobrescu> can try that if dosfsck does not report that the problem is with differences between boot sector and backup :)
Nov 02 15:13:34 <Lazar_Dobrescu> but most likely it is and you can easily fix it
Nov 02 15:14:05 <Lazar_Dobrescu> by copying backup to original
Nov 02 15:14:29 <grungy> Reserved field in VFAT long filename slot is not 0 (but 0xbc).
Nov 02 15:14:37 <grungy> did the copy backup to original
Nov 02 15:14:50 <grungy> should I fix that file?
Nov 02 15:15:01 <Lazar_Dobrescu> guess so, if you can
Nov 02 15:15:12 <Lazar_Dobrescu> there might be a few of those
Nov 02 15:15:47 <grungy> Unfinished long file name ":4aC:0dU:0Va:AJS
Nov 02 15:15:48 <grungy>                                            :BgB:2FW:B4T:BAw:Ev9:0QC:4E2:0Cu".
Nov 02 15:15:48 <grungy>   (Start may have been overwritten by ?R\030\015?\036jI.s??)
Nov 02 15:15:48 <grungy> 1: Delete LFN
Nov 02 15:15:48 <grungy> 2: Leave it as it is.
Nov 02 15:15:48 <grungy> 3: Fix numbering (truncates long name and attaches it to short name ?R\030\015?\036jI.s??)
Nov 02 15:15:56 <grungy> fix it?
Nov 02 15:16:10 <Lazar_Dobrescu> yeah fix everything it tells you about basically
Nov 02 15:16:25 <Lazar_Dobrescu> pretty obvious that's bogus data anyway but shrug
Nov 02 15:16:50 <grungy> how do you tell?
Nov 02 15:17:04 <Lazar_Dobrescu> by the names of the files :)
Nov 02 15:17:18 <Lazar_Dobrescu> you can probqably also just reformat that stupid partition frankly
Nov 02 15:17:22 <Lazar_Dobrescu> maybe that'd be simpler
Nov 02 15:17:27 <grungy> how do you do that?
Nov 02 15:17:28 <Lazar_Dobrescu> like mkfs.msdos /dev/mapper/store-media
Nov 02 15:17:41 <grungy> and then install web os again?
Nov 02 15:18:00 <Lazar_Dobrescu> then run the doctor again basically
Nov 02 15:18:10 <grungy> oh cool
Nov 02 15:18:11 <grungy> thanks :)
Nov 02 15:18:23 <grungy> gotta go for a bit but I'll try later. Thanks for all the help
Nov 02 15:29:28 <amblin> anyone? should I ask in -general?
Nov 02 18:44:53 <r9s> hi
Nov 02 18:47:11 <r9s> maybe you would know how to turn off all logs in webOS 2.1 http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-2/305893-how-turn-off-all-logs.html
Nov 02 18:55:12 <ka6sox> r9s have you installed the muffle patch?
Nov 02 18:56:07 <r9s> nope, I heard it mess up with photos or something like that
Nov 02 18:56:41 <ka6sox> do you believe everything you read on the internet?
Nov 02 18:57:09 <wrea> Of course
Nov 02 18:57:32 <grep_awesome> definitely, Obama is an alien
Nov 02 18:57:33 <wrea> The internet said Elvis is still alive, so I'm inclined to believe it
Nov 02 18:57:55 <grep_awesome> he's hanging with tupaq in hawaii man
Nov 02 18:58:26 <ka6sox> Wait....I thought I saw him hanging around the Slurpee Machine @ 7-11....
Nov 02 18:58:52 <grep_awesome> lol
Nov 02 18:59:17 <wrea> mmm, I want a Slurpee
Nov 02 18:59:25 <wrea> And some Vicodin
Nov 02 19:00:00 <grep_awesome> wrea: ... for the brain freeze :D
Nov 02 19:00:19 <wrea> For my damn ribs
Nov 02 19:00:31 <r9s> i have broken computer so i dont want risk (i cant doctoring it)
Nov 02 19:00:33 <wrea> I somehow bruised them, I guess and I have no idea why
Nov 02 19:01:03 <grep_awesome> that's no good, i read on the internet that it's lupus
Nov 02 19:01:11 <grep_awesome> House concurs
Nov 02 19:01:13 <wrea> damn
Nov 02 19:01:14 <wrea> lol
Nov 02 19:02:30 <ka6sox> r9s, then wait till your computer is healthy
Nov 02 19:02:42 <ka6sox> but in general I run Muffle with no issues.
Nov 02 19:03:01 <ka6sox> (and I get a LOT of pictures that I have to sort thru for work)
Nov 02 19:03:02 <r9s> it could be looooong time
Nov 02 19:03:06 <grep_awesome> r9s: yeah, i haven't had any issues
Nov 02 19:03:38 <grep_awesome> r9s: and even if you do have issues, it is a muffle patch, not a kernel. don't expect to need to run doctor if it goes wrong
Nov 02 19:03:39 <r9s> ok, but with Muffle you dont have any logs in /var/log/messages ?
Nov 02 19:03:57 <grep_awesome> r9s: significantly less
Nov 02 19:04:16 <ka6sox> r9s, I haven't looked at what it does....
Nov 02 19:04:27 <ka6sox> but it logs a WHOLE lot letss.
Nov 02 19:04:39 <r9s> ok, lets do this
Nov 02 19:05:51 <r9s> if you're lie I'll find you and rape ur parents
Nov 02 19:06:21 <r9s> and little sister
Nov 02 19:06:29 <summatusmentis> dude, uncalled for
Nov 02 19:07:43 * r9s just kidding
Nov 02 19:07:46 <grep_awesome> r9s: <insert meaningless beligerant escalation here>
Nov 02 19:08:00 <wrea> Yeah, and its not cool to subject people to that horrible grammar.
Nov 02 19:08:20 <grep_awesome> i read on the internet that it will make you blind
Nov 02 19:09:19 <grep_awesome> err.. or maybe that was something else
Nov 02 19:09:30 <r9s> english is not my nativ
Nov 02 19:09:32 <r9s> :(
Nov 02 19:10:35 <r9s> i can speak polish if ya want
Nov 02 19:11:46 <r9s> no to jak, mam mowic po polsku?
Nov 02 19:13:54 <r9s> sayonara
Nov 02 19:15:09 <wrea> that wasnt polish
Nov 02 19:15:25 <wrea> polish and japanese?
Nov 02 19:17:32 <grep_awesome> hmm google translate thinks it was polish
Nov 02 19:18:08 <grep_awesome> oh... missed that last part. fail.
Nov 02 19:18:11 <wrea> I meant the sayonara bit
Nov 02 19:18:22 <wrea> my eyes glazed over the rest :P
Nov 02 19:18:22 <grep_awesome> right, espanol lol
Nov 02 19:19:11 <wrea> I have one vicodin, i want to save it if i cant sleep tonight
Nov 02 19:19:42 <grep_awesome> man, bruised ribs suck
Nov 02 19:19:56 <wrea> I'm guessing that what it is anyway.
Nov 02 19:20:06 <wrea> I have no idea how i would have bruised them though
Nov 02 19:20:25 <grep_awesome> they are pretty difficult to bruise, where around the ribcage does it hurt?
Nov 02 19:21:13 <grep_awesome> </none-of-my-business>
Nov 02 19:22:21 <wrea> to my right, at level with the bottom of my sternum
Nov 02 19:23:52 <grep_awesome> i bet it is tough to get comfortable, best wishes.
Nov 02 19:24:45 <wrea> i clobber pulseaudio, and know configure wont get past checking for libtool
Nov 02 19:29:52 <wrea> okay, that was my fault :P
Nov 02 19:32:19 <Darkmagister> anyone with the webos keyboard for touchpad here ??? i whant to buy one but i see that are missing some key (like esc, alt, end, ins, canc, pagup,pagdown)
Nov 02 19:32:37 <Darkmagister> canc = del
Nov 02 19:32:56 <grep_awesome> yeah, I grabbed one for my mum
Nov 02 19:34:57 <Darkmagister> and how is? because i use a lot the alt_left .... and quite often the esc .... sometimes the other key
Nov 02 19:35:24 <Darkmagister> can you map like the card view ... or the symbol key ??
Nov 02 19:35:37 <Darkmagister> theese to are the Super_L and Super_R key ?
Nov 02 19:36:25 <grep_awesome> I haven't tried, just used it on the touchpad for regular webos stuff. The keyboard is good quality though
Nov 02 19:36:46 <grep_awesome> Wouldn't suggest it if you need all those keys though
Nov 02 19:37:21 <mberg> I have one.  The symbol key maps to alt.  There is a delete.
Nov 02 19:37:25 <Darkmagister> mmm the big problem is the alt and esc key .... how is the battery life ?
Nov 02 19:38:01 <grep_awesome> It is too early to tell on that. Haven't had to replace them yet though and she leaves it on all the time.
Nov 02 19:38:05 <Darkmagister> the delete but not the canc? ... (i don't know if is called canc in us )
Nov 02 19:38:16 <grep_awesome> its del in us :)
Nov 02 19:38:20 <Darkmagister> ok
Nov 02 19:38:33 <mberg> IYou can remap the escape too: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/301953-patch-request-map-top-left-key-hp-bluetooth-keyboard-esc-xterm.html
Nov 02 19:39:13 <Darkmagister> because there is the delete that delete the delete the char on the left, the canc (del ) delete the char from the right
Nov 02 19:39:37 <mberg> (I haven't actually tried that yet.  Honestly haven't had much time to play with X on it.)
Nov 02 19:41:14 <Darkmagister> ok, mberg you know or/and tried the battery life ?
Nov 02 19:42:06 <mberg> First set of batteries hasn't died yet.
Nov 02 19:43:20 <mberg> Hrm.  Looks like the escape changes may be in the preware packages: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23webos-internals/20110924.html.gz
Nov 02 19:43:46 <Darkmagister> since when?
Nov 02 19:46:06 <Darkmagister> mberg since when you have start to using the keyboard ?
Nov 02 20:48:45 <SkyRyder> Hi
Nov 02 20:48:46 <SkyRyder> hiu
Nov 02 20:48:49 <SkyRyder> i got a palm pixi plus
Nov 02 20:49:09 <SkyRyder> and my touchscreen is dead and cloud wan't enabled? How do i get contacts off of it
Nov 02 20:51:06 <elyon> Could you login to a different device using the same Palm profile?
Nov 02 20:51:57 <SkyRyder> it was never bakced up to the cloud
Nov 02 20:52:00 <SkyRyder> the only place the data is is on the phone
Nov 02 20:52:43 <elyon> It should backup every night, right?
Nov 02 20:53:04 <summatusmentis> only if you have it turned on
Nov 02 20:53:06 <grep_awesome> hmm, was the device in dev mode by any chance?
Nov 02 20:53:12 <SkyRyder> nope
Nov 02 20:53:21 <SkyRyder> i can't get it into dev mode w/;o the touch screen
Nov 02 20:53:35 <grep_awesome> man... that's a tough one
Nov 02 20:53:53 <SkyRyder> yep i've been tryin for days to get it off
Nov 02 20:54:05 <grep_awesome> is it sprint or att?
Nov 02 20:54:16 <SkyRyder> verizon
Nov 02 20:54:22 <SkyRyder> they couldn'tget it off in the store
Nov 02 20:54:24 <grep_awesome> ...wonderful no sim card :P
Nov 02 20:54:32 <SkyRyder> nope
Nov 02 20:54:59 <SkyRyder> thers no other way to get it into dev mode w/o the touchscreen?
Nov 02 20:55:30 <grep_awesome> I'd be curious to know if you can use novaterm when the device is in recovery mode
Nov 02 20:55:57 <grep_awesome> I have no experience on the device perseonally, but that'd be an angle I'd explore
Nov 02 20:56:12 <SkyRyder> should i try it
Nov 02 20:56:45 <grep_awesome> let google a bit first :D
Nov 02 20:57:34 <SkyRyder> i tried
Nov 02 20:57:41 <SkyRyder> there wasnothin about it in google
Nov 02 20:57:57 <SkyRyder> im gonna try to see if anyone wrote about novaterm in recovery
Nov 02 20:58:11 <grep_awesome> yeah, that's what I'm looking for
Nov 02 20:59:30 <SkyRyder> thers a file in the file folder called migration.bak
Nov 02 20:59:41 <SkyRyder> perhaps somethings on there?
Nov 02 21:00:09 <grep_awesome> where is this?
Nov 02 21:01:18 <SkyRyder> if i use the phone as a HD
Nov 02 21:01:40 <SkyRyder> would be great if it was rooted right now
Nov 02 21:02:52 <SkyRyder> i'm sorry but i gotta get goin atm
Nov 02 21:02:55 <SkyRyder> ill be back on later
Nov 02 21:02:56 <SkyRyder> thanks
Nov 02 21:03:01 <grep_awesome> good luck
Nov 02 21:03:10 <SkyRyder> thanks
Nov 02 21:03:27 <SkyRyder> maybe i can replace the touchscreen somehouw
Nov 02 21:03:42 <grep_awesome> that'd be an option
Nov 02 21:03:53 <grep_awesome> I'm sure you can nab parts off of ebay
Nov 02 21:50:08 * rwhitby points out to those debugging doctor problems in the last 12 hours, that the very first thing to do is run the doctor on the command line and post the full console log. The answer is usually obvious from that.
Nov 03 02:01:51 <hiddenpremise> first stable homebrew app awaiting moderation :D woot!
Nov 03 02:02:24 <wrea> the proxy app?
Nov 03 02:02:54 <hiddenpremise> no, actually, had some problems with the proxy app. It works for me, but not quite ready for prime time…. maybe this weekend.
Nov 03 02:03:14 <hiddenpremise> this one is for the folks dual booting, it lets you manage the moboot bootloader settings from within webos
Nov 03 02:03:27 <hiddenpremise> you can choose your default os and a temporary default for directing booting on your next restart
Nov 03 02:06:33 <hiddenpremise> … *sheepish* i forgot to checkin my working version of the proxy app and forged ahead with code… screwed stuff up… and there's no going back
Nov 03 02:08:00 <wrea> hehe
Nov 03 02:08:20 <wrea> I have android on mine, but i havent booted into it since the first day
Nov 03 02:08:34 <wrea> But an app to manage moboot in general would be cool
Nov 03 02:08:40 <hiddenpremise> check this out http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/305948-cyboot-manage-moboot-settings-android-dual-boot.html#post3233991
Nov 03 02:09:12 <hiddenpremise> the cyanogen team is great for their port, but I hate how it defaults to android. my tp is a webos device :D
Nov 03 02:09:20 <wrea> Yeah
Nov 03 02:10:30 <rwhitby> echo -n "webOS" > /boot/moboot.default
Nov 03 02:10:45 <hiddenpremise> gotta mount the /boot as rw first right?
Nov 03 02:10:56 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 03 02:11:11 <hiddenpremise> that's pretty much what my app does
Nov 03 02:31:16 <voxadam> Is it possible to make a Sprint Pre work on the Verizon network?
Nov 03 02:36:51 <rwhitby> Ring up Verizon and ask them to add the MEID
Nov 03 02:37:27 <voxadam> None of the firmware needs to be changed?
Nov 03 02:40:51 <rwhitby> no idea
Nov 03 02:41:13 <rwhitby> you'd be better off buying a verizon Pre+ on ebay or something
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