**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 05 02:59:57 2011 Nov 05 03:27:21 can i launch an app on my pixi from novaterm? Nov 05 03:27:54 Use palm-launch Nov 05 03:28:10 or luna-send to the applicationManager service Nov 05 03:34:54 nice Nov 05 03:34:55 :) Nov 05 03:35:05 that was easier than i though Nov 05 03:35:06 t Nov 05 03:50:46 im surprised no one has developed a desktop messaging app for webos yet Nov 05 03:51:00 desktop messaging? Nov 05 03:51:15 seems pretty straight forward imo, but i dont know how to do half the stuff you people know Nov 05 03:51:16 yeah Nov 05 03:51:37 like download palmdatabase.db3 Nov 05 03:51:42 or w/e the name is Nov 05 03:52:15 parse it into a window, giving you the option to select what contact you want the text Nov 05 03:52:40 then send the text back to palm.db3 and it'll be sent from there Nov 05 03:53:31 oh Nov 05 03:54:00 controlling the apps, and reacting to the new events Nov 05 03:54:12 yea Nov 05 03:54:28 guess that wouldn't be too difficult. node service with a socket to a swing java app Nov 05 03:55:11 i'm still a noob to webos code, otherwise i'd do it myself Nov 05 03:55:30 fudge_: don't worry, im a noob too :D Nov 05 03:55:39 but less of a noob then i Nov 05 03:55:40 :P Nov 05 03:56:09 hey, I don't know anything about it either Nov 05 03:56:28 what are we all doing in #webos-internals Nov 05 03:56:35 #winning Nov 05 03:56:39 talking about webos internals Nov 05 03:56:42 lol Nov 05 04:05:51 and the channel is dead… whenever it starts up, I've got to go… wife, boss, something Nov 05 04:07:59 I'm just here for the women Nov 05 04:08:00 :P Nov 05 04:08:27 …there is a fair share of whining Nov 05 04:08:33 :P Nov 05 04:14:42 how do i watch log output by com.*.service.*? Nov 05 04:14:52 palm-log.bat for app.* only? Nov 05 04:15:40 I'd novaterm in and then do "tail -f /var/log/messages | grep MYSERVICENAME" Nov 05 04:15:56 but i don't see much log info there Nov 05 04:16:10 console.log() console.info() Nov 05 04:17:18 did you install the muffle log patch? Nov 05 04:18:17 nope Nov 05 04:20:38 gotta run, sorry. Nov 05 04:20:44 gotcha. i set global logging level to "debug", in #*logs# Nov 05 04:21:20 well, set it to something higher than what you're logging at, yea Nov 05 05:05:23 How do I get more patches for touchpad? Nov 05 05:07:07 EdgeOfDeath, Make them? Nov 05 05:07:23 Umm? i don't know how lol Nov 05 05:07:59 then donate to your favourite patchmaker and support their efforts. Nov 05 05:09:03 I mean where can I get more feeds for preware.. Nov 05 05:09:51 EdgeOfDeath: preware comes with the stable set of feeds Nov 05 05:10:21 I know but i only have around like 50 patches...most of which i won't use? Nov 05 05:10:22 there aren't really any other good feeds out there that aren't either private or designed to break your stuff Nov 05 05:21:56 what exactly do these people want Nov 05 05:22:17 we could probably give them noop patches and they'll think their touchpad is running faster/better Nov 05 05:22:29 "yay, now I've got 35 patches" Nov 05 06:02:02 So, who has the earliest webOS account? Nov 05 06:02:25 https://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/132698967254376448 Nov 05 06:48:49 :~) I feel loved. Thanks ChanServ. Nov 05 06:49:04 rwhitby: you there? Nov 05 06:49:14 yep Nov 05 06:49:24 dBsooner: /msg me the details Nov 05 06:51:50 I should come around more now that I have free time. I miss you guys. Nov 05 06:54:10 dBsooner: you purchased 5 apps total Nov 05 06:54:16 lol Nov 05 06:54:18 GO ME Nov 05 06:54:27 I was too busy patching ;) Nov 05 06:55:09 I can even see what apps you had installed Nov 05 06:55:27 Hmm.. I hope that pr0n app doesn't show up. Nov 05 06:55:36 both of them do Nov 05 06:55:39 Does it show the homebrew apps too? Nov 05 06:55:43 no Nov 05 06:56:02 Ok, so the one about silverfoxes isn't true. That was my evil twin. :) Nov 05 06:56:55 So what's the current state of WebOS? I assume you all have more of a inside on what's going on behind the doors of HP? Nov 05 06:57:09 s/inside/insight/ Nov 05 06:57:10 dBsooner meant: So what's the current state of WebOS? I assume you all have more of a insight on what's going on behind the doors of HP? Nov 05 06:57:12 nope, we have no inside info Nov 05 06:57:30 the folks we talk to have no idea either Nov 05 06:57:44 Well, I for one, would see it as a major catastrophe if HP were to discontinue development. Nov 05 06:57:47 I doubt the folks at the top have any idea too Nov 05 06:58:15 And an even larger one if they didn't give the code to this group to continue development at least. Nov 05 06:59:14 Well HP is in turmoil in more than just their consumer electronics departments. They say one thing one day, then renig on that the next. Nov 05 06:59:40 Their press releases of "just kidding" lately are scary at best. Nov 05 07:00:30 With Apple having Tim Cook take over and having him make changes at the top as well, HP could really stand to stabilize and attack a company when it's in a turn. Nov 05 07:00:40 Otherwise Google will continue to dominate. Nov 05 07:01:57 I missed WebOS so much the other day that I installed a jailbreak app on my iPhone called "multifl0w".. It allowed me to have a "cards" style interface.. Exactly as if I were on WebOS again. Nov 05 07:14:20 rwhitby: can't Google Docs do that? Nov 05 07:14:30 create a graph in the spreadsheet from the form Nov 05 07:14:33 Xuzz: if you know how, go for it Nov 05 07:14:35 then set the graph to be public Nov 05 07:14:56 * rwhitby is busy working out how to extract the data on a 1.4.5 device Nov 05 07:15:58 Need to get enough data before HP realises what we are doing and stops access to it. Nov 05 07:21:56 I just felt my first earthquake Nov 05 07:21:58 in oklahoma Nov 05 07:22:01 we don't get those here Nov 05 07:28:58 http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usb0006k8b.php Nov 05 07:29:00 :) Nov 05 09:49:15 how can i find the exact date of the creation of my palm profile ?? Nov 05 09:49:30 because i'm not sure of the day Nov 05 09:57:01 oh found the email from palm ;) Nov 05 14:08:06 when luna fails restart, is there a useful log file entry? Nov 05 14:59:31 The Feeds are aktually unavailebil. Iam the Only One? Nov 05 14:59:45 nope, you aren't Nov 05 14:59:51 I'm working on getting that fixxored Nov 05 15:00:24 Thanks a Lot ;-) Nov 05 15:00:28 ahhh. i was wondering me. Servers down? Nov 05 15:00:46 well, right now the ipkg feed server is running off an offsite backup Nov 05 15:01:03 and unfortunately that server happens to be the only one in the whole infrastructure that I don't have access to Nov 05 15:01:20 ahh okay. How Long did you think is the downtime. Nov 05 15:01:21 ?? Nov 05 15:01:36 no clue Nov 05 15:01:46 depends on how long it takes for me to get ahold of the guy who runs that server Nov 05 15:02:35 but I am working to get it back up, no ETA though unfortunately Nov 05 15:03:21 OKay. Thanks a Lot. Very Good Work! Nov 05 15:03:32 it's what I do for a living ;) Nov 05 15:03:41 :-))) Nov 05 15:03:47 Cy@ Nov 05 15:42:28 How can I changes the system file via patch? Nov 05 16:05:52 HI, is anyone here? Nov 05 16:09:28 hi Nov 05 16:13:44 Does any of you have troubles today to access to preware apps/patches on QI? Nov 05 16:13:59 I am having issues updating. Nov 05 16:14:25 appeat Nov 05 16:14:44 appears ipkg.predate.org is down Nov 05 16:15:13 ok good then, i thougth i did something wrong. Nov 05 16:16:32 Howdy Nov 05 16:16:57 yo Nov 05 16:18:31 I never understood how there are so many people in here yet only a dedicated 20 have said something Nov 05 16:19:14 some just watch… some are on the other side of the world and come about at different times Nov 05 16:19:25 I think we've got a number of aussie friends here Nov 05 16:20:19 Guess that makes some sense Nov 05 16:20:31 I always just log out if Im not online Nov 05 16:21:07 there was a decent amount of talk from 1am to 3:30 am Eastern Standard Nov 05 16:22:09 with DST, eastern standard is GMT-4 Nov 05 16:22:32 I wish the people on the forums with problems would come to IRC so the problem could be solved in a hour instead of dragging it out over a week or two Nov 05 16:22:41 hey, is there anything wrong with the updatepage. I get a large smokescreen when I want to update my stuff on the touchpad Nov 05 16:23:04 test__, are you accessing that page from the notification? Nov 05 16:23:16 test__: you're not the only one reporting issues updating today Nov 05 16:23:53 there were two right before Abyssul joined with problems too Nov 05 16:24:09 Mine works fine. We are talking software manager right? Nov 05 16:24:20 so you think it will be fixed by them soon? Nov 05 16:24:31 yes, the softwaremanager Nov 05 16:24:34 Abyssul: they were talking preware, I think Nov 05 16:24:55 no, webosquickinstaller, nvm Nov 05 16:25:00 right, on preware Nov 05 16:25:22 idk it all works for me Nov 05 16:25:46 test__: yeah, prob some problem. preware and webosquickinstaller use the same feeds. maybe it is a local issue Nov 05 16:26:01 the one which pops up, hen you want to update your preware things on the touchpad Nov 05 16:27:01 just bought a touchpad :D, seems like ipkg.preware.org is down? Nov 05 16:27:25 yea the feeds seem to be having issues Nov 05 16:27:33 test__ & brenner_ are you both in the Northern US? Nov 05 16:27:45 that would explain it Nov 05 16:27:45 no, switzerland Nov 05 16:27:47 yupp Nov 05 16:28:05 routing fsckd? Nov 05 16:28:31 the two guys before test__ that had problems were Northern US. and I bet the pipes running to Switzerland are coming somehwere from up north too Nov 05 16:28:48 so probably a localized network issue Nov 05 16:29:23 Im southern US Nov 05 16:29:27 me too Nov 05 16:29:35 yet it doesnt connect Nov 05 16:29:46 it doesn't look like mine is either Nov 05 16:29:51 so maybe it is down everywhere Nov 05 16:29:53 to me it seems the httpd is down Nov 05 16:30:24 thanks guys, cu Nov 05 16:30:45 ever so close to 2000 posts on the forums Nov 05 16:30:49 http://paste.s3cr3t.de/view.php?id=r7a83Qwfo6q.plain Nov 05 16:31:20 i can ping and tracert it perbut http? nope. Nov 05 16:31:46 yep, looks dead to me Nov 05 16:37:51 We need a thread for "Are the feeds/website down?" :p Nov 05 16:38:04 heh Nov 05 16:39:20 no need for a thread Nov 05 16:39:23 the feeds are down Nov 05 16:40:08 Just saying because if not, there is just an influx of "why isnt it working" threads and people coming in here. :p Nov 05 16:40:21 and thanks to an unfortunate coincidence... the feeds are being served off of an offsite backup box because we were doing upgrades to the infra... Nov 05 16:40:41 and that offsite backup box is the only box that I don't have access to... Nov 05 16:41:08 ~feeds Nov 05 16:41:09 rumour has it, feeds is asterisk.org: http://www.asterisk.org/node/feed ;; sineapps: http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php ;; slashdot: http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rss Nov 05 16:41:13 nope... Nov 05 16:41:17 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 16:41:24 currently if contact sync upload failed it will skip the contact and will never upload that contact again in next sync. is there any patch for this? i'm using google contact Nov 05 16:41:55 infobot, ipkgfeeds is the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 16:41:55 okay, cryptk Nov 05 16:41:56 mOo. what makes you say that? Nov 05 16:41:59 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 16:42:00 it has been said that ipkgfeeds is the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 16:42:15 hows that? Nov 05 16:42:28 now if anyone asks "Are the feeds down?" you can just say ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 16:42:36 Hehe nice Nov 05 16:42:38 and then the infobot will fill them in Nov 05 16:43:11 Abyssul: i enable global logging to debug. *.service.contacts.google.js is showing error. but when i sync it again there's no error. and data is not uploaded. i verified this in gmail contacts at mail.google.com Nov 05 16:43:21 so the box that the feeds are on is the only one I don't have access to... and the preware.org domain is the only one that I don't have access to change... Nov 05 16:43:27 MojoService.AuthSyncClient(waitForComplete): error thrown: Error: 400_BAD_REQUEST - Error: 400 The element type "gd:phoneNumber" must be terminated by the matching end-tag "</gd:phoneNumber>". Nov 05 16:43:30 cryptk: thanks :D Nov 05 16:43:34 so I can't roll ipkg.preware.org to one of the other ipkg servers... Nov 05 16:43:34 lol Nov 05 16:44:11 i'll set up a mirror as soon as it's up again Nov 05 16:44:13 the guy who runs the box is in Hawaii... and is asleep... and the guy who runs the preware.org domain... well, I bet you guys can guess who that is... and he is asleep, lol Nov 05 16:44:37 brenner_, the problem isn't a lack of mirrors... we have 3 separate ipkg feed servers already Nov 05 16:44:48 the problem is that the one that the URL is currently pointing to is down Nov 05 16:44:49 I wish Preware had like a initial test to see if the feeds are up before erroring out Nov 05 16:44:52 error raised at first sync, and in 2nd there's no error (unexpectedly). but error message is expected Nov 05 16:45:10 Abyssul: I second that Nov 05 16:45:22 display a message like "Feeds are down. Please try again later" Nov 05 16:45:25 my preware asks me if I want to update my feeds Nov 05 16:45:30 oh, ipkg1 is up, so can can just edit the feeds i guess, to point to ipkg1 instead of ipkg. Nov 05 16:45:34 not " ipkg error error..... blah blah:" :p Nov 05 16:45:42 brenner_, that is not recommended Nov 05 16:45:58 why? Nov 05 16:45:59 Abyssul: I'd be up for checking out the code and adding that in :P… if they stay down and I finish my other projects I might just do it Nov 05 16:46:02 I understand what the errors mean, but most people dont Nov 05 16:46:09 because if we get a bunch of people editing their feeds to point directly to a mirror, then rolling the ipkg URL is useless to us Nov 05 16:46:22 yes, i'll edit it back later Nov 05 16:46:34 hiddenpremise, sounds like a good implementation. How would you check? Nov 05 16:46:40 it will work, but don't give that out as instruction to a bunch of people Nov 05 16:46:42 but i just got my new touchpad and want to start hacking Nov 05 16:46:46 sure Nov 05 16:47:03 hiddenpremise, you can't simply ping or traceroute the server since that doesn't work in all cases. Nov 05 16:47:10 although FWIW, ipkg1 is on the same server as the wiki... so if the wiki is up, ipkg1 is up Nov 05 16:47:53 Abyssul, try an http connection with a timeout Nov 05 16:48:11 m0o, you could try looking at the sync code yourself, but maybe it will fix itself over a day or two. Maybe a restart? Nov 05 16:48:12 if it times out, then toss an error Nov 05 16:48:33 yeah the http.request for node should serve as a quick way of testing Nov 05 16:48:36 Would be a helpful feature Nov 05 16:48:50 it's really sad... I work for one of the largest hosting companies in the world and I am powerless to fix this, lol Nov 05 16:49:02 cryptk. hehe, premissions :p Nov 05 16:49:19 *permissions Nov 05 16:49:29 cryptk: I feel your pain more than you know… haha Nov 05 16:49:32 I have access to everything else in the infra... the only 2 things I don't have access to are the two things I need to fix this, lol Nov 05 16:49:47 is preware down Nov 05 16:49:54 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 16:49:54 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 16:49:55 extra, extra, read all about it, ipkgfeeds is the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 16:49:57 yes~ Nov 05 16:50:00 I win Nov 05 16:50:09 thanks Nov 05 16:50:18 Abyssul: I'll get you next time Nov 05 16:50:25 hehe Nov 05 16:50:37 and info bot msg's me… Someone already said that 0 seconds ago Nov 05 16:50:46 Haha Nov 05 16:50:56 haha, new game... whoever can say ~ipkgfeeds first the most time wins 42 lbs of bragging rights Nov 05 16:50:58 * hiddenpremise pwnt Nov 05 16:51:10 How much is that in metric? Nov 05 16:51:28 +3in of ePenis / 20 manpoitns Nov 05 16:51:30 19kg Nov 05 16:51:55 and he leaves… lol Nov 05 16:52:06 well, he got an answer to his question Nov 05 16:52:07 Well he did just log in and ask that Nov 05 16:52:48 * cryptk wants to spread a rumor that the feeds are offline because WOSI is closing up shop... Nov 05 16:52:56 imagine the outcry if people thought that Nov 05 16:53:01 just spam the precentral tips box Nov 05 16:53:04 lol Nov 05 16:53:21 cryptk: you should get your employer to sponsor a mirror =] Nov 05 16:53:36 EXTRE EXTRE!!! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!! IPKG feeds go down! WOSI throws in towl in frustration! Nov 05 16:53:38 Should have infobot automatically respond if the words "preware, offline, and down are in the same sentence" Nov 05 16:53:43 on your fancy cloud CDN Nov 05 16:54:01 hm, ipkg3 is a dreamhost box? gj dreamhost Nov 05 16:54:04 dwc-, we already run mirrors for all major linux distributions as well as run one of the largest RPM feeds that isn't run by Red Hat Nov 05 16:54:12 I know Nov 05 16:54:18 dwc-: I had horrible issues with dreamhost Nov 05 16:54:21 so WOSI is a tiny drop in the bucket Nov 05 16:54:43 * cryptk wonders how dwc- knows who I work for... Nov 05 16:54:48 magic... Nov 05 16:54:57 or he's been stalking me Nov 05 16:55:03 or your "I work for one of the largest hsoting companies" statement :P Nov 05 16:55:06 well... you are on the internet... Nov 05 16:55:11 true Nov 05 16:55:17 I do say who I work for on my blog Nov 05 16:55:24 well, you were wearing your employer's stuff and and working their booth at scale Nov 05 16:55:25 * Abyssul goes to Google Nov 05 16:55:26 hiddenpremise, that still leaves options Nov 05 16:55:33 for one thing Nov 05 16:55:35 ahh, I met you at scale? Nov 05 16:55:50 you did Nov 05 16:56:01 which of the 800 people I met were you? Nov 05 16:56:09 cryptk, who would have to give you permission to be able to access thoes two tools you need to fix the server? Nov 05 16:56:15 were you the guy who helped out at the WOSI booth by chance? Nov 05 16:56:20 nope. one of the ones you ate at denny's with Nov 05 16:56:28 Abyssul, the people who run those things Nov 05 16:56:32 dwc-, I remember ya! Nov 05 16:56:41 you gonna be at the next SCaLE? Nov 05 16:57:05 I'd like to, we'll see if we can make that happen Nov 05 16:57:12 but, bbiab, my niece says I need to come eat Nov 05 16:57:33 Pretty sad I know what bbiab means and Ive never heard it before Nov 05 17:00:31 Abyssul, were you able to figure out who I work for? Nov 05 17:02:00 nice try hiddenpremise ;) Nov 05 17:02:57 oh, I never really went googling Nov 05 17:03:02 Too much work Nov 05 17:03:07 hehe Nov 05 17:03:38 anyway, I gotta run... the relavent people already have emails and messages waiting for them when they wake up... Nov 05 17:03:42 just curious though, what kind of education do you have and what is your position name? Nov 05 17:03:46 oh, or you can leave :p Nov 05 17:03:59 Im going into CS and was curious Nov 05 17:04:16 I have a high school diploma, some college, prior military and my position is "Linux Administrator" Nov 05 17:04:30 no degree? Nov 05 17:04:33 well, "Linux Administrator L2" to be technical Nov 05 17:04:36 no degree Nov 05 17:04:40 Mmk, thanks Nov 05 17:04:48 can you name a degree that actually applies to Linux Administration? Nov 05 17:04:57 Information Systems Nov 05 17:05:06 not really…. Nov 05 17:05:30 at least not at the school I went to Nov 05 17:05:48 yeah... IS doesn't really apply to Linux Admin Nov 05 17:05:56 neither does CS Nov 05 17:06:11 Better than nothing Nov 05 17:06:14 job experience is the key to the market today Nov 05 17:06:18 not to offend, but yea Nov 05 17:06:19 I didn't get my job from my degree Nov 05 17:06:35 Connections, thats where it is at Nov 05 17:06:36 many of the things that IS covers are done on Linux Systems... like database administration... but databases and Linux are two different things Nov 05 17:06:55 yep, I am good at what I do, and I can prove it... that's how I got my job Nov 05 17:07:17 anyway... sleep time for me... gotta get some rest, girlie coming over tonight ;) Nov 05 17:07:24 nn all Nov 05 17:07:36 cryptk: night Nov 05 17:23:44 why cant I create a wiki Nov 05 17:23:52 im logged in Nov 05 17:25:38 ipkg.preware.org not working Nov 05 17:25:44 what to do? Nov 05 17:25:51 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 17:25:51 well, ipkgfeeds is the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 17:26:05 Abyssul: …dude, you're too fast Nov 05 17:26:12 i had it copy and paste Nov 05 17:26:17 page_ReorderablePage_APPS_{6b63679a-9ce6-449b-892f-6b684d9b03c6} Nov 05 17:26:18 OK Nov 05 17:26:20 that was my copy Nov 05 17:26:21 but I forgot I was working on something else Nov 05 17:26:24 i overwrote it :( Nov 05 17:26:32 Yea, I had the UMTS bands of the Veer in mine Nov 05 17:26:41 lol Nov 05 17:26:55 what is wrong with that host? Nov 05 17:27:00 Grrrr I wanna create a damn wiki page... <.< Nov 05 17:27:18 problem_pkg: the host is down and the guy that runs it is in Hawaii sleeping Nov 05 17:27:35 problem_pkg: it is already a backup node, so they can't do much about it right now Nov 05 17:28:58 is the guy sleeping over there in the Pacific Ocean ever going to wake up and fix this weekend? Nov 05 17:29:33 problem_pkg: as he isn't getting paid, I'd imagine that is up to him and his weekend plans Nov 05 17:29:44 I think the permissions for the wiki are wrong Nov 05 17:30:09 hiddenpremise: nice /s Nov 05 17:30:13 I’ll wait Nov 05 17:30:28 Abyssul: succeed from the union! make your own wiki :D Nov 05 17:31:05 Ill just copy the wiki and make my own mirror :p Nov 05 17:31:24 so should I just periodically poll ipkg.preware.org to see if it’s up? Nov 05 17:31:31 like tomorrow Nov 05 17:31:33 is anymore else having pronle Nov 05 17:31:41 the wonders of dreamhost.. Nov 05 17:31:43 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 17:31:44 methinks ipkgfeeds is the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 17:31:51 No! hiddepremise! Nov 05 17:31:53 Abyssul: I win this round! Nov 05 17:31:57 He didnt speak english! Nov 05 17:32:01 problems connecting to the predate lists? Nov 05 17:32:06 * Loudergood has a grudge against them due to billing issues years ago Nov 05 17:32:42 Abyssul: you know I don't speak spanish! Nov 05 17:32:43 problem_pkg. I would just check in 5 hours Nov 05 17:32:54 sorry, autocorrect got me Nov 05 17:32:58 mark_, what are predate lists? Nov 05 17:33:12 2-1 (score) Nov 05 17:33:15 problem_pkg: yeah, my bet is that he will fix it when he wakes up. most admin's can't tolerate downtime. it's like a splinter Nov 05 17:33:36 or a loss of a limb Nov 05 17:33:42 if you wanna be dramatic Nov 05 17:33:48 always Nov 05 17:33:57 I meant preware, autocorrected to predate Nov 05 17:34:22 Meh, I never use autocorrect since HP messed it up with 3.0.4 Nov 05 17:35:30 was the Pre3 ever officially released? Nov 05 17:37:02 hiddenpremise: OK, thanks Nov 05 17:37:55 Oh I guess it was in the EU Nov 05 17:43:45 hi Nov 05 17:43:57 howdy Nov 05 17:43:59 Is there an issue with ipkg.preware.org ? Nov 05 17:44:01 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 17:44:01 [ipkgfeeds] the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 17:44:03 I win! Nov 05 17:44:04 3-1 Nov 05 17:44:15 man, I'm getting my butt kicked Nov 05 17:44:34 Ok thanks a lot Nov 05 17:44:42 he threw me off with that greeting "hi"… so innocent, so unassumptive... Nov 05 17:44:43 Thanks for joining out game toucux Nov 05 17:44:58 i was gonna type "lock and loaded..." Nov 05 17:45:09 lol Nov 05 17:45:11 You welcome Nov 05 17:45:46 Abyssul: webos internals wiki? Nov 05 17:46:04 And I have an issue with my webos could you help me ? Nov 05 17:46:18 ~asktoask Nov 05 17:46:18 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Nov 05 17:46:23 dwc, yeah Nov 05 17:46:29 Ok thanks Nov 05 17:46:31 Abyssul: does that one count :D? Nov 05 17:46:43 Abyssul: lol Nov 05 17:46:53 what's your question toucux? Nov 05 17:46:54 no it doesnt Nov 05 17:46:58 :( Nov 05 17:47:01 what's your username? abyssul? Nov 05 17:47:04 Yea Nov 05 17:47:27 im sure its been asked a million times today..is the preware servers down? Preware wont download the list of feeds.. Nov 05 17:47:30 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 17:47:30 ipkgfeeds is probably the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 17:47:33 4-1 Nov 05 17:47:42 I would install news app but when I start the installation, it tells me that i haven't any space ! Nov 05 17:47:43 dadgummit! Nov 05 17:47:52 Abyssul: I can't fix it, but it looks like you need to be flagged as human... Nov 05 17:47:53 But i have 6 GO free ! Nov 05 17:47:55 toucux, restart te device Nov 05 17:47:59 I'm guessing you can't /edit/ an existing page either Nov 05 17:48:05 I have already done it Nov 05 17:48:05 dwc. so it thinks im a bot? lol Nov 05 17:48:20 dwc, nope. Im as useless as someone who isnt logged in Nov 05 17:48:37 toucux, what app are you downloading specifically and where are you getting it from? Nov 05 17:48:38 what device and version Nov 05 17:48:46 they changed the wiki settings to require manually marking people as able to edit Nov 05 17:49:06 dwc, isnt that contradictary to the idea of a wiki? Nov 05 17:49:07 I think anyone on this list can help you with that Nov 05 17:49:08 http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop Nov 05 17:49:23 Touchpad 3.0.4 and i try many apps but it doesn't work Nov 05 17:49:35 Abyssul: the original concept, yes Nov 05 17:49:41 toucux, preware or app catalog Nov 05 17:49:49 I think they got tired of dealing with wikispam Nov 05 17:50:10 toucux: you are using the HP App Catalog? Nov 05 17:50:14 damn, cryptk was just online Nov 05 17:50:36 I try from the app catalog (i will try preware when the issue will be fix Nov 05 17:51:07 dwc, wish there was a way to request access like typing a command in the irc or sending a email Nov 05 17:51:33 I don't disagree Nov 05 17:51:44 I have deleted some apps and make more space but it doesn't work Nov 05 17:51:47 double negative... Nov 05 17:51:52 they could probably also start by flagging as human, the users with > N edits Nov 05 17:52:00 toucux: and you did a full restart on the device? have you done anything like install android? Nov 05 17:52:11 yeah ive edited somewhat 19 edits Nov 05 17:52:53 I'm testing Android yes (but I think WebOS is better !) Nov 05 17:52:59 Ouch Nov 05 17:53:15 But i have installed it a few time ago with no probs Nov 05 17:53:20 We dont like to deal with people who install the android ipks o.O it causes too many problems Nov 05 17:53:21 toucux: how much space did you allocate to the android partition? Nov 05 17:53:50 I don't know Nov 05 17:54:30 When i see what i have installed, it say that i have 600mo free for Android Nov 05 17:54:44 toucux: that is for android though. do you have novaterm installed on your computer? Nov 05 17:54:57 toucux: are you asking for help on webos or android? Nov 05 17:54:58 Yes Nov 05 17:55:10 Webos Nov 05 17:55:32 could just go to device info and find out his free space Nov 05 17:55:59 Abyssul: true… I was about to guide him through the shell for no good reason Nov 05 17:56:17 Available 6,7 Go Nov 05 17:56:46 I have the 32 GO Nov 05 17:56:49 in device info you have 6GB available? Nov 05 17:56:57 I dont feel oblidged to help anyone who installed the android ipks Nov 05 17:57:07 Yes Nov 05 17:57:20 Abyssul : I just want to test Nov 05 17:57:59 whats the exact error Nov 05 17:58:13 like what does the HP Catalog tell you Nov 05 17:58:58 Failed to download and i have a pop-up Which tells me that i have to clear space on my drive before i can download Nov 05 17:59:29 Maybe if i should delet app on android Nov 05 18:01:40 toucux, seems like a ocmmon problem regardless of android Nov 05 18:01:41 http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad/304032-not-enough-space-download-after-3-0-4-a.html Nov 05 18:01:45 Are Preware feeds down? Nov 05 18:02:53 hi all, trying to run webos quick install for my Touchpad Nov 05 18:03:02 geting a message that says no packages are available, besides themes Nov 05 18:03:10 dunno if this is the correct place to be looking for help on this Nov 05 18:03:19 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 18:03:19 i guess ipkgfeeds is the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 18:04:21 ~no, ipkg feeds is The feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and is working on resolving it Nov 05 18:04:31 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 18:04:32 somebody said ipkgfeeds was the feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and we are working on resolving it Nov 05 18:04:50 Thanks Nov 05 18:04:52 infobot, forget ipkgfeeds Nov 05 18:04:53 i forgot ipkgfeeds, dwc- Nov 05 18:04:53 damn Nov 05 18:04:58 ok Nov 05 18:05:02 ~ipkgfeeds is The feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and is working on resolving it Nov 05 18:05:03 dwc-: okay Nov 05 18:05:06 anybody have a guess on an eta Nov 05 18:05:08 infobot, forget ipkg Nov 05 18:05:09 i forgot ipkg, dwc- Nov 05 18:05:12 infobot, forget ipkg feeds Nov 05 18:05:13 dwc-: i didn't have anything called 'ipkg feeds' to forget Nov 05 18:05:29 sirotan, 12 hours at most? Nov 05 18:05:36 ok Nov 05 18:05:51 had to doctor my TP and now its all sad and slow without Preware :( Nov 05 18:06:08 I know the feeling! :( Nov 05 18:06:23 took me quite a bit of googling to figure out that the quick install not bringing up anything wasnt a problem on my end Nov 05 18:06:24 toucux, your only choice atm is to doctor according to the thread Nov 05 18:06:48 The server is down and the maintenance guy lives in Hawaii so he is still asleep Nov 05 18:06:55 ok then i guess i have no choice but to be patient Nov 05 18:07:04 Indeed Nov 05 18:07:58 hmm Nov 05 18:08:16 wonder if we can file a ticket with dreamhost Nov 05 18:09:04 hmm so Nov 05 18:09:19 I guess if it's a VPS, not. can't tell if it's shared hosting Nov 05 18:09:38 i was having a problem with Preware, which is what prompted me to doctor Nov 05 18:09:41 There is a contact page that has a "I just wanted to say" comment section Nov 05 18:09:47 though i cant imagine the server being down would have been the cause Nov 05 18:09:49 but then again Nov 05 18:09:52 sirotan, what problem Nov 05 18:09:58 the problem was it was throwing up errors, couldnt find feeds Nov 05 18:10:09 so maybe i just reinstalled everything for nothing Nov 05 18:10:15 Probably Nov 05 18:10:20 haha Nov 05 18:10:21 ouch! ;) Nov 05 18:10:22 welp Nov 05 18:10:32 next time come here and ask ;) Nov 05 18:10:34 well the problem started with the messaging app shitting the bed Nov 05 18:10:40 and that was last night Nov 05 18:10:44 language... Nov 05 18:10:45 after i had run some updates on patches in preware Nov 05 18:11:06 lol no swearing in the webos chat? ok Nov 05 18:11:11 anyway it basically just...didnt work Nov 05 18:11:15 someone would send me an IM Nov 05 18:11:16 wouldnt go through Nov 05 18:11:29 figured it was probably connected to the updates Nov 05 18:11:37 log into preware, it pukes Nov 05 18:11:47 tried to uninstall preware patches, does not work Nov 05 18:11:49 doctor Nov 05 18:11:51 Depends on what packages you installed Nov 05 18:11:52 now here i am Nov 05 18:12:11 Sorry I'm back Nov 05 18:13:02 toucux, read up Nov 05 18:13:08 oh well my question has been answered Nov 05 18:13:11 thanks and goodbye Nov 05 18:14:41 Thanks I'm reading Nov 05 18:15:11 It will be my first time with the doctor ! Nov 05 18:15:21 toucux, its painless Nov 05 18:15:49 Just backup whatever is needed and use save/restore Nov 05 18:16:04 It will get of Android as well Nov 05 18:16:09 get rid of* Nov 05 18:17:19 What should i backup ? Nov 05 18:17:43 No prob for Android Nov 05 18:18:54 USB files Nov 05 18:19:08 Save/restore backs up your Preware packages so it can install all at once Nov 05 18:19:26 http://www.precentral.net/understanding-homebrew-save-restore-app Nov 05 18:19:28 Ok i will do it Nov 05 18:19:41 thanks for the link Nov 05 18:24:01 I have to go Nov 05 18:24:07 Thanks a lot Nov 05 18:24:44 (and sorry for my english) Nov 05 18:26:30 2,000 posts woot! Nov 05 18:26:43 Time for work now Nov 05 18:38:54 is preware down? Nov 05 18:40:54 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 18:40:55 The feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and is working on resolving it Nov 05 18:41:41 okay... thx Nov 05 18:53:49 another question... where can i find a link to the linphone alpha ipk??? Nov 05 18:54:35 or is it in beta now? Nov 05 19:04:03 iirc, it's in the forum thread Nov 05 19:04:18 (the one that used to say ask in #webos-internals) Nov 05 19:06:34 guys/gals i have a question is that ok here? Nov 05 19:06:41 ~asktoask Nov 05 19:06:41 This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. Nov 05 19:07:36 thx bought an unlocked non contract palm pixi plus branded to AT&T i'n in canada can i somehow fash it with the Bell Canada Build? Nov 05 19:10:48 hi, I'm having some trouble with predate and would appreciate some help Nov 05 19:11:07 predate, I meant Nov 05 19:11:16 preware Nov 05 19:11:17 derfmm: I *think* you might be able to use the metadoctor to build something like that, but I'm not sure Nov 05 19:12:29 someone like rwhitby would probably know the answer to that best Nov 05 19:12:43 cy8erpunk: what kind of problem? if it's the feeds updating, that's a known issue Nov 05 19:13:01 mmm i was hoping that osdoctor or whatever would allow me to just flash the bell file over it i undersatns when these are carrier subsidized but when i own it outright and am not even in the us i'm disappointed (to be polite) Nov 05 19:13:49 you just want to remove the AT&T carrier branding? or is there something specific in the bell? Nov 05 19:14:25 well i am trying to simply get freethether to work i have an tablet that i'd like to connect for data sharing Nov 05 19:14:43 and thanks for responding Nov 05 19:15:38 I think you can install freetether on top of an AT&T branded device Nov 05 19:16:41 well i had teh preware app installed but the feeds just hung on updating....which i see from an above comment that this is a known problem....any insight/suggestions? Nov 05 19:17:00 yea, wait for the feeds to be up. just try every couple of hours Nov 05 19:17:37 fair enough cool....i thought that somehow i had messed it up Nov 05 19:17:51 or, if you're feeling a little more adventurous, grab http://ipkg2.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/armv7/org.webosinternals.freetether_1.2.0-2_arm.ipk and install that from preware or something Nov 05 19:18:29 sweet thanks i'll do that Nov 05 19:19:43 if asus had released a 3g tablet i'd not be so bent out of shape ;) Nov 05 19:19:59 Preware does' Nov 05 19:20:23 *preware doesn't work on my TouchPad this night, anybody know why ? Nov 05 19:20:40 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 19:20:41 The feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and is working on resolving it Nov 05 19:20:50 service is unavailable ? Nov 05 19:20:55 yes Nov 05 19:20:56 too bad cryptk is offline Nov 05 19:20:57 :) Nov 05 19:21:01 Okey :) Nov 05 19:21:07 cryptk knows, but can't fix it this time Nov 05 19:21:20 nice Nov 05 19:23:56 Is there any way to get homebrew apps currently or do we have to wait for the feeds to be fixed? Nov 05 19:25:00 you can download them from ipkg2.preware.org/feeds/ if you know what you're looking for Nov 05 19:25:22 and then install them yourself Nov 05 19:29:20 Why couldnt preware automatially check the mirror if the ipkg original doesnt work? Nov 05 19:29:46 Or is the mirror for backup purposes and cant handle the bandwidth Nov 05 19:36:25 Hi all Nov 05 19:36:32 hi Nov 05 19:36:47 i've got a dumb question, are the preware feeds down? Nov 05 19:36:49 ~ipkgfeeds Nov 05 19:36:50 The feeds are currently down... WebOS-Internals knows about it already and is working on resolving it Nov 05 19:36:58 aha Nov 05 19:37:07 lol, i thought it was odd Nov 05 19:37:15 sanjsrik, You type fast ;) Nov 05 19:37:23 it's my job Nov 05 19:37:26 sanjsrik, I was going to ask the same question ;) Nov 05 19:37:31 I type, I wrote Nov 05 19:37:31 Dangit! I leave for one second and someone asks... Nov 05 19:37:54 Abyssul-Pre2, He did some job for us ;) Nov 05 19:37:57 ok then, I guess I'll just go about doing something else Nov 05 19:38:16 I think thats the 8th person so far Nov 05 19:38:26 well, it's always nice to be #8 Nov 05 19:38:33 at least I'm not #9 Nov 05 19:38:51 Abyssul-Pre2, preware seems to be popular Nov 05 19:38:52 Abyssul-Pre2: if you're still keeping a score, I should get two points for that one ;p Nov 05 19:39:14 Its 5-1-1-1 Nov 05 19:39:32 Aby-hidden-dwc-frost Nov 05 19:39:37 anyone have any luck registering their touchpad with hp services? says product not found even when i enter the serial # Nov 05 19:39:57 Why register? Nov 05 19:40:20 I dunno' I was just seeing what I could do Nov 05 19:44:17 just checking in to see if the ipkg.preware.org downtime has anysort if eta :-) Nov 05 19:44:31 12 hours hopefully Nov 05 19:45:01 cool thanks for the info Nov 05 19:45:08 No more than a day at most, but id like to think in 5 hours Nov 05 19:45:24 just server upgrade or ? Nov 05 19:45:47 Host of the server went down Nov 05 19:46:08 blech sorry to hear Nov 05 20:13:08 Abyssul-TP_: backup and bandwidth distributing purposes, as far as I can tell Nov 05 20:27:13 ipkg has been pointed back at ipkg2 Nov 05 20:29:03 Welcome back! Nov 05 20:38:18 Rwhitby, can u add me to the human group on the wiki? Nov 05 20:40:31 I would like to be in the Hal_5000 group Nov 05 20:41:13 Hehe Nov 05 20:44:51 Abyssul-TP_: what is your username? Nov 05 20:45:54 Abyssul Nov 05 20:46:24 Are these permissions permanant? Seems lame for a wiki Nov 05 20:46:53 spam is lamer Nov 05 20:47:28 There arnt better anti spam methods? Nov 05 20:47:47 not really Nov 05 20:48:02 Abyssul-TP_: if you would like to volunteer as the full-time anti-spam manager for webos-internals wiki, please step forwards Nov 05 20:48:13 Most content is on the forums anyways Nov 05 20:48:15 rwhitby: although there is a recaptcha plugin Nov 05 20:48:45 spammers these days have humans who create accounts, answer the verification emails, and then set the bots loose. Nov 05 20:48:59 recaptcha and email verification are no longer enough Nov 05 20:49:31 I dont know a terrible amount of wiki knowledge but i would give it a shot Nov 05 20:50:09 My idea was a way to type a command in the irc chat to change a user from bot to human Nov 05 20:50:10 we have people with a terrible amount of wiki knowledge already looking after it, so you'd need to have a better resume than that Nov 05 20:50:18 But idk how well that would work Nov 05 20:50:34 Hehe Nov 05 20:52:33 rwhitby: the ConfirmEdit extension was what I was thinking about Nov 05 20:52:38 it forces a captcha on every edit Nov 05 20:53:06 Dont we have that already? Nov 05 20:53:20 dunno Nov 05 20:53:44 I remember that last time i edited 2 months ago or so Nov 05 20:54:02 anyone who has ideas, please speak directly to ka6sox-away Nov 05 20:54:11 sure Nov 05 20:54:19 * Lumiere has an evil thought for ka6sox-away... Nov 05 20:54:32 http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:KittenAuth and replace all the images with phones Nov 05 20:54:42 to edit this page, please choose the picture that runs webos Nov 05 20:55:16 But then the bot has a 1 in 5 chance of getting it right. Nov 05 20:55:42 http://www.textually.org/textually/archives/archives/images/set2/oldtyle_phone.jpg Nov 05 20:55:46 Totally runs webos Nov 05 20:55:56 lol Nov 05 21:11:05 is there a way to relaunch the first use app on the touchpad? Nov 05 21:11:28 i know there used to be a way to do it on the pre... Nov 05 21:15:56 is there a way to relaunch the first use app on the touchpad? Nov 05 21:16:04 i know there used to be a way to do it on the pre... Nov 05 21:17:44 Porb Nov 05 21:17:51 Probably the same way Nov 05 21:18:29 Find the firstuse appinfo.json, change the visible attribute, luna restart Nov 05 21:19:13 is there anything outside of that that needs to be done? Nov 05 21:20:41 on the pre it was nice to do it so that you could do the whole disable activation, log into a wifi network, run the first use and be good to go... but since my touchpad won't even activate to begin with, i wonder if it'd work for me Nov 05 21:41:42 m0ngr31: use Impostah Nov 05 21:57:11 anti-vandal and anti-spamming wikis is more about time to patrol recent-changes Nov 05 22:03:26 yay Nov 05 22:03:33 14725 :) Nov 05 22:03:49 I knew my TouchPad was giving me false information! Nov 05 22:11:03 Abyssul: been whipping my tail with the ~ipkgfeeds I see Nov 05 22:29:12 rwhitby: I can activate with impostah and it works great! the only thing missing is auto downloading of my apps Nov 05 22:34:28 reset profile, and go through normal first use on wifi Nov 05 23:01:05 rwhitby: installed preware onto my pre3 earlier. Got an error when updating feeds. is (was) something down earlier? Nov 05 23:02:37 yes ipkg.preware was down Nov 05 23:05:25 thank you Nov 05 23:13:25 is thre some way I can force the new Pivot to download? Nov 05 23:15:35 reboot\ Nov 05 23:20:09 nightburn, I already tried that a few times Nov 06 02:47:37 mmm...caffeine **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 06 02:59:57 2011