**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 06 02:59:57 2011
Nov 06 06:02:58 <grndslm> sooo....
Nov 06 06:03:13 <grndslm> if i have already "sprintified" my pre 2....
Nov 06 06:03:37 <grndslm> i can use a regular doctor after that???  or still must be a meta'd doctor??
Nov 06 06:06:15 <grndslm> mm... i guess i'll just use the meta'd doctor... i'm just trying to remember if there's any other way to "hard reset" this phone without needing to grab a usb cable
Nov 06 06:21:47 * jmichaelx wonders whether or not the touchpad will ever have a decent ereader app...
Nov 06 06:31:28 <dtzWill> lame that you can't use promo codes as gifts :)
Nov 06 06:49:37 <jmichaelx> the implentation of entire app catalog is full of lameness
Nov 06 06:50:06 <VICODANAX> the entire touchpad is full of lameness
Nov 06 06:50:25 <jmichaelx> i like the touchpad, but hate HP
Nov 06 06:51:22 <VICODANAX> same here jmichaelx
Nov 06 06:53:17 <jmichaelx> i guess there is no wonder in the fact that they bungled the touchpad.... if HP were in any way competent, they could have made webOS a halfway decent contender in the mobile OS market
Nov 06 06:53:41 <VICODANAX> jmichaelx
Nov 06 06:53:51 <VICODANAX> im thinking of starting my own computer company
Nov 06 06:53:57 <VICODANAX> like dell 3.0 on steroids.
Nov 06 06:54:16 <jmichaelx> what sorts of ideas do you have in mind?
Nov 06 06:54:27 <VICODANAX> so
Nov 06 06:54:34 <VICODANAX> rememberthe old school dell
Nov 06 06:54:39 <jmichaelx> yep
Nov 06 06:54:44 <VICODANAX> where you used to be able to customize everything
Nov 06 06:54:50 <VICODANAX> and buiild your own cmoputer?
Nov 06 06:54:56 <VICODANAX> my site would be like this
Nov 06 06:54:59 <VICODANAX> 4 options
Nov 06 06:55:15 <VICODANAX> option 1) I want the cheapest computer with the best performance possible
Nov 06 06:55:17 <jmichaelx> lol... yea, that was all not that long ago
Nov 06 06:55:23 <VICODANAX> option 2) i want a cheap gaming machine
Nov 06 06:55:32 <VICODANAX> option 3) money is no object
Nov 06 06:55:39 <VICODANAX> option 4) let me build from scratch
Nov 06 06:55:46 <VICODANAX> and it would pull parts from newegg
Nov 06 06:55:53 <VICODANAX> and put everything together
Nov 06 06:56:03 <VICODANAX> and we'd assemble it and charge you $100
Nov 06 06:56:08 <jmichaelx> actually, that would be sweet... people could see the reviews
Nov 06 06:56:17 <VICODANAX> yup
Nov 06 06:56:19 <VICODANAX> exactly
Nov 06 06:56:23 <VICODANAX> that's my idea.
Nov 06 06:57:06 <jmichaelx> if you had enough volume, your supplier (newegg) would cut you decent deals
Nov 06 06:57:15 <VICODANAX> yuo
Nov 06 06:57:17 <VICODANAX> yup
Nov 06 06:57:38 <VICODANAX> i could put dell and hp outof business in 5 minutes
Nov 06 06:58:24 <jmichaelx> well... neither or those two are going away any time soon (unfortunately), but i think that model could possibly get somewhere
Nov 06 06:58:54 <jmichaelx> you would need a fair bit of capital to get rolling
Nov 06 06:59:22 <VICODANAX> woord
Nov 06 06:59:29 <VICODANAX> thnks for your thoughts jmichaelx
Nov 06 06:59:46 * jmichaelx would love to see HP fall face-forward into the mud, as it deserves
Nov 06 07:00:17 <VICODANAX> i would love to see someone bomb hp hq
Nov 06 07:01:16 <jmichaelx> i have not ordered anything from Dell in several years, so i'm not sure how extensively they gutted their customization options, but i do know that they did that
Nov 06 07:01:54 <jmichaelx> i think my 'mini 9' was the last product i ordered from them
Nov 06 07:02:34 <jmichaelx> if your company got really big, you could buy webOS :-)
Nov 06 07:03:07 <jmichaelx> raise palm from the ashes...
Nov 06 07:11:01 <cryptk> I don't want to see anyone buy webOS
Nov 06 07:11:13 <cryptk> I want to see it go open source with a company overseeing the project
Nov 06 07:11:27 <cryptk> similar to ubuntu an Canocial... or Openstack and Rackspace
Nov 06 09:28:32 <jmichaelx> cryptk: could not agree more, i just imagine that HP selling webOS is more likely (providing there would ever be a buyer)
Nov 06 10:43:23 <mOo> other than submiting patch to admins at patches.webos-internals.org, is there a online patch checker to see if the patch applies to different version of clean webos?
Nov 06 10:44:07 <cryptk> you can do what we do on the patch portal
Nov 06 10:44:16 <cryptk> extract the rootfs of different webos versions
Nov 06 10:44:26 <cryptk> then do a patch with --dry-run to see if it applies cleanly
Nov 06 10:46:24 <mOo> where do i get that different webos version?
Nov 06 11:05:11 <brenner__> i guess there is no other way to add the ext3 other than doctoring?
Nov 06 11:05:33 <brenner__> hrm, maybe i could memboot it and change the partition table
Nov 06 11:07:10 <mOo> it's lvm, i'm not sure if mounted lvm partitions can be moved/resized
Nov 06 11:08:15 <cryptk> mOo, we have a list of all of the webos doctor download links on the wiki
Nov 06 11:08:16 <brenner__> but as far as i understand, memboot can boot a initramfs
Nov 06 11:08:24 <mOo> thx
Nov 06 11:08:31 <cryptk> some of the older links don't work anymore though because HP/Palm removed the files from the server
Nov 06 11:11:45 <rwhitby> brenner__: Tailor is in the beta feeds
Nov 06 11:14:10 <brenner__> hrmm, enabling the beta feeds seems better than doctoring
Nov 06 11:16:35 <rwhitby> Note that it's beta, so make sure you back up your data first.  It hasn't killed any partitions yet, but not many people have tested it.
Nov 06 11:17:23 <brenner__> backups are for pussies :P
Nov 06 11:20:36 <cryptk> if that is your outlook... have fun ;)
Nov 06 11:23:45 <YeahRight> can i read older pivot issues somehow? or is an issue only available for a month?
Nov 06 11:34:49 <brenner__> rwhitby Tailor was in the alpha feeds and worked great, thanks
Nov 06 11:44:19 <rwhitby> brenner__: excellent
Nov 06 11:58:36 <YeahRight> i dont get those pivot issues..my touchpad only shows number 04 is available "soon"  and i cant read any elder ones? that is i have no clue how
Nov 06 12:44:05 <mOo> everytime i open the clock and unfocus it, the alarm notification is shown. how can i disable this behavior?
Nov 06 12:50:05 <mOo>             if (this.easterString === "4231") {                 Mojo.Log.info("toggling dashboard"); <- LOL
Nov 06 15:33:47 <Abyssul-TP> Howdy
Nov 06 15:57:08 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: here i am
Nov 06 15:57:23 <Abyssul-TP> Hey man
Nov 06 15:57:29 <lesjaw> i can't overide platform version with impostah
Nov 06 15:57:44 <Abyssul-TP> Whats it say?
Nov 06 15:57:55 <lesjaw> it still an empty value
Nov 06 15:58:50 <Abyssul-TP> Whats software version say?
Nov 06 15:59:59 <lesjaw> first i tap Device Proflie Overide button, then choose atribute to platformversion, then i type 2.1.0 in value, then tap Set Override button
Nov 06 16:00:09 <lesjaw> no error messege
Nov 06 16:00:18 <Abyssul-TP> Do u have the Device Profile service override patch installed?
Nov 06 16:00:45 <lesjaw> nope
Nov 06 16:01:06 <lesjaw> ok opening preware now
Nov 06 16:01:10 <Abyssul-TP> I dont understand why ur attributes are wacky to begin with. Have u ever doctored before or was the device used prior to u owning it?
Nov 06 16:02:10 <lesjaw> no, i never doctor it..
Nov 06 16:02:52 <lesjaw> i can sure you that it no one doctor it
Nov 06 16:04:13 <Abyssul-TP> Ok
Nov 06 16:04:28 <lesjaw> ok, device profile service override pacth installed, luna rebooting now
Nov 06 16:05:39 <lesjaw> ok, now platformVersion now said 2.1.0
Nov 06 16:06:00 <Abyssul-TP> What about software version
Nov 06 16:06:07 <Abyssul-TP> And model
Nov 06 16:07:10 <lesjaw> softwareVersion = Nova-WR-Roadrunner-108
Nov 06 16:07:23 <lesjaw> deviceModel = P102UNA
Nov 06 16:07:51 <lesjaw> normal right?
Nov 06 16:08:14 <Abyssul-TP> Nova Wr Roadrunner-108 belongs in carrierROM attribute
Nov 06 16:08:47 <Abyssul-TP> Software version should be 2.1.0
Nov 06 16:08:51 <lesjaw> they are same..
Nov 06 16:09:18 <lesjaw> CarrierRom show Nova-WR-Roadrunner-108 too
Nov 06 16:09:25 <Abyssul-TP> Override software version to 2.1.0
Nov 06 16:09:36 <lesjaw> ok
Nov 06 16:09:51 <Abyssul-TP> Did u get this pre2 used?
Nov 06 16:10:31 <lesjaw> yes, but the first person used for checking purpose only..
Nov 06 16:10:57 <Abyssul-TP> Mmk
Nov 06 16:11:37 <lesjaw> WebOs RU still say Device = Unknown
Nov 06 16:12:03 <lesjaw> does it need reboot?
Nov 06 16:12:38 <Abyssul-TP> No, make sure thr
Nov 06 16:13:01 <Abyssul-TP> The overrides worked by going to Show Device Profile
Nov 06 16:13:14 <lesjaw> yes, override does work
Nov 06 16:13:41 <Abyssul-TP> U can try a reboot but i think the best option is doctor
Nov 06 16:14:04 <Abyssul-TP> Which is painless
Nov 06 16:14:34 <lesjaw> i see, ok then i doctor it now..
Nov 06 16:14:42 <Abyssul-TP> Does Webos quick install work?
Nov 06 16:15:12 <lesjaw> sometime it work sometime it doesn't,
Nov 06 16:15:37 <lesjaw> some app installed fine, but many app giving me error output..
Nov 06 16:15:39 <lesjaw> even patch..
Nov 06 16:15:39 <Abyssul-TP> I need more details then that
Nov 06 16:16:10 <lesjaw> ok, wait.. running WOSQI
Nov 06 16:16:16 <Abyssul-TP> Error output by the installing is fine, we are focused on whether the program can recognize the device
Nov 06 16:16:46 <lesjaw> ok, i'm opening device management of WOSQI
Nov 06 16:17:29 <lesjaw> it taking so long..
Nov 06 16:17:53 <Abyssul-TP> Doesnt work if ur phone is still booting
Nov 06 16:18:00 <lesjaw> device = unknown
Nov 06 16:18:12 <lesjaw> battery = 91%
Nov 06 16:18:15 <lesjaw> carrier = wr
Nov 06 16:18:38 <lesjaw> Os = HP WebOS 2.1.0
Nov 06 16:19:22 <lesjaw> OS Customisation = wr 108
Nov 06 16:19:44 <Abyssul-TP> Is this att or eu gsm?
Nov 06 16:19:49 <lesjaw> modem type = umts
Nov 06 16:20:07 <Abyssul-TP> We are going to go with doctoring so we dont run into any problems down the road.
Nov 06 16:20:44 <Abyssul-TP> Oh yeah, i forgot there is only one gsm for pre2
Nov 06 16:20:59 <lesjaw> ok
Nov 06 16:21:24 <lesjaw> wew
Nov 06 16:21:25 <lesjaw> touchpanel firmware = error
Nov 06 16:22:16 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: what should i do?
Nov 06 16:22:41 <lesjaw> btw, my pre 2 often self reboot, it can happen 10 times a day
Nov 06 16:23:10 <Abyssul-TP> Send the serial number
Nov 06 16:23:54 <lesjaw> PG9U07MB4137
Nov 06 16:24:16 <Abyssul-TP> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre2/p210sfr03082011/wrep210rod/webosdoctorp103ueuna-wr.jar
Nov 06 16:24:20 <Abyssul-TP> Download that
Nov 06 16:24:29 <lesjaw> ok..thanks
Nov 06 16:24:41 <Abyssul-TP> In the mean time backup any files and settings
Nov 06 16:25:01 <Abyssul-TP> Including using save/restore, usb drive files, etc
Nov 06 16:25:55 <lesjaw> ok
Nov 06 16:26:27 <Abyssul-TP> Message me when u hit a road block (use my name)
Nov 06 16:26:57 <lesjaw> ok bro..thanks
Nov 06 16:27:50 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: can you give me md5sum of that file, i think i have download it.. just want to mske sure i have the correct file
Nov 06 16:29:09 <Abyssul-TP> 477f12cc73f5d8a3a00761dcb3751e6b
Nov 06 16:29:17 <lesjaw> thanks
Nov 06 16:54:12 <Abyssul-TP> Lesjaw, any progress?
Nov 06 16:56:09 <lesjaw> still downloading
Nov 06 16:57:17 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: what about palm profile, if i doctor it, i should enter my palm profile id right?
Nov 06 16:57:49 <Abyssul-TP> It will ask for itnjust like when u got it
Nov 06 16:58:19 <Abyssul-TP> Did the md5sum not match?
Nov 06 16:58:49 <lesjaw> yup not match..
Nov 06 17:00:57 <lesjaw> as far as i remember i didn't put any palm proflie of mine, hmm.. but i can see my name in palm profile right now, and i got an email from palm for my palm profile, i guess my saler make my palm profile..
Nov 06 17:03:36 <Abyssul-TP> What country are u in?
Nov 06 17:04:35 <lesjaw> indonesia
Nov 06 17:05:00 <lesjaw> damn, i dont know my palm profile password, i got to ask my saler..
Nov 06 17:13:18 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: i'm going to delay the doctor until i got my palm profile password..hiks
Nov 06 17:13:53 <Abyssul-TP> Ok
Nov 06 17:14:21 <Abyssul-TP> If u get the emails then u coild have it send ur password via the palm profile website
Nov 06 17:15:19 <lesjaw> i tried the forget password method, but they ask me my security question, which is i don't know either
Nov 06 17:16:40 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: can i create another palm profile with different email, what does it effect?
Nov 06 17:17:36 <lesjaw> will app catalog run just fine? because perhaps my curtrent palm profile was activated by UK sim.. right now i'm in indonesia..i'm afraid i cant install any app from app catalog if i create new palm profile
Nov 06 17:18:02 <lesjaw> with indonesia sim card
Nov 06 17:19:39 <dwc-> you can create another palm profile
Nov 06 17:19:57 <dwc-> if it doesn't work to your satisfaction, you can go back to trying the other one
Nov 06 17:20:25 <lesjaw> dwc-: by redoctoring again, right?
Nov 06 17:20:26 <dwc-> or, you can just create a UK profile (or US or whatever you have a credit card for) from impostah later
Nov 06 17:20:48 <dwc-> no, you can reset the phone by wiping the apps/settings from the device
Nov 06 17:21:02 <lesjaw> i see, so impostah can do this jobs.. ok..  thanks dwc-
Nov 06 17:28:54 <Abyssul-TP> Lesjaw, https://ps.palmws.com/palmcsext/console/pages/LoginPage.iface
Nov 06 17:28:59 <Abyssul-TP> Use forgot password
Nov 06 17:29:57 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: thanks
Nov 06 17:30:43 <dwc-> you're not locked into any particular palm profile
Nov 06 17:30:44 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: still asking security question, i don't know the answer
Nov 06 17:31:17 <dwc-> the only thing you're locked to is the country/carrier on the device's first activation (which it sounds like your seller did)
Nov 06 17:34:07 <lesjaw> i see
Nov 06 17:34:25 <lesjaw> ok, finish doctoring.. rebooting now
Nov 06 17:34:43 <lesjaw> first time i want is make google maps back :-)
Nov 06 17:35:01 <Abyssul-TP> Man what a headache. Gmaps is gone
Nov 06 17:35:37 <lesjaw> wew, the trick from the forum didn't work?
Nov 06 17:39:52 <lesjaw> damn, i think i'm stuck at checking email,
Nov 06 17:40:32 <lesjaw> as far as i can remember, pre 2 have incorrect setting for my carrier APN..
Nov 06 17:40:59 <Abyssul-TP> Oohhh man....
Nov 06 17:41:32 <Abyssul-TP> So the person u bought it from had the APN setup?
Nov 06 17:42:00 <lesjaw> i setup it myself
Nov 06 17:42:36 <Abyssul-TP> Oh, then u can still set that up
Nov 06 17:42:51 <lesjaw> yes by entering phone, then preferences..
Nov 06 17:43:19 <lesjaw> but how do i do that, i'm in midle of entering my palm profile..
Nov 06 17:44:40 <Abyssul-TP> Dwc-, what do u think is best, metadoctor or bypass activation, or maybe there is a dial code?
Nov 06 17:45:14 <lesjaw> no access to phone, only emergency mode, theres no phone preferences
Nov 06 17:46:54 <lesjaw> i guess thats why my saler make my palm profile by himself..
Nov 06 17:47:34 <darktom> where the fuck em i?
Nov 06 17:47:43 <dwc-> try to sign in
Nov 06 17:47:55 <dwc-> I don't know if the pre2 has the APN setup capability during first use
Nov 06 17:48:00 <dwc-> I know the pre3 does though
Nov 06 17:48:10 <lesjaw> dwc-: i don't know the password, my saler didn't tell me
Nov 06 17:48:29 <dwc-> ok, then try to register a new one
Nov 06 17:48:57 <Abyssul-TP> Guess we are at a stand still, wouldnt apn setup come before palm profile setup?
Nov 06 17:49:06 <lesjaw> dwc-: it stuck on checking password, because there is no internet connection, incorrect APN setting
Nov 06 17:49:40 <dwc-> Abyssul-TP: I don't know on 2.1.0. on the 2.2.3 I know there is
Nov 06 17:49:54 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: nope, it gave me 3 button, Sign in, Create New and Info ..
Nov 06 17:49:56 <dwc-> when it fails on 2.2.3, there is a "retry" and another option
Nov 06 17:50:09 <dwc-> and that other option lets you configure APN settings
Nov 06 17:51:15 <dwc-> failing that, you can sign in over wifi... bypass first activation via dev mode, then install impostah & use that to sign out of the palm profile, set up wifi, and restart
Nov 06 17:51:21 <darktom> did anyone try to run android on hp touchpad?
Nov 06 17:51:34 <lesjaw> damn, it works now..dunno why..
Nov 06 17:52:09 <lesjaw> profile setup finish, rebooting.. weird..
Nov 06 17:52:57 <Abyssul-TP> Lesjaw, magic touch
Nov 06 17:53:22 <Abyssul-TP> Darktom, we dont talk about android here
Nov 06 17:53:42 <lesjaw> editing APN now.. i can sure you it has wrong username and password
Nov 06 17:54:01 <Abyssul-TP> Hehe
Nov 06 17:55:36 <Abyssul-TP> Lol, he left
Nov 06 17:55:58 <lesjaw> testing WOSRU now
Nov 06 17:56:25 <Abyssul-TP> Why do u need that?
Nov 06 17:58:37 <lesjaw> just checking device = unknown or not
Nov 06 17:59:46 <lesjaw> ups..still unknown
Nov 06 18:03:18 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: i still can't install app from WOSQI
Nov 06 18:03:53 <Abyssul-TP> Jeez...
Nov 06 18:04:01 <Abyssul-TP> Dwc-, do u have a clue?
Nov 06 18:04:14 <dwc-> I don't know what wosru is
Nov 06 18:04:21 <dwc-> and I've only used wosqi once
Nov 06 18:04:32 <lesjaw> webos quick install
Nov 06 18:04:43 <dwc-> the only thing I know of with wosqi is ... are you in dev mode?
Nov 06 18:04:44 <lesjaw> i cant isntall app internalz
Nov 06 18:04:53 <lesjaw> yes i enable dev mode
Nov 06 18:04:54 <Abyssul-TP> Repair utility
Nov 06 18:05:03 <dwc-> mmm, never heard of / used it before
Nov 06 18:05:15 <Abyssul-TP> The device returns "UNKNOWN' for an attribute
Nov 06 18:05:26 <Abyssul-TP> For WOSQI as well
Nov 06 18:05:53 <lesjaw> ye
Nov 06 18:05:55 <lesjaw> yes
Nov 06 18:06:10 <dwc-> what device is this exactly? just a regular unlocked gsm pre2?
Nov 06 18:06:28 <lesjaw> yes
Nov 06 18:06:39 <lesjaw> P102UNA
Nov 06 18:06:51 <Abyssul-TP> I suggest you shoot a message to Jason
Nov 06 18:06:53 <dwc-> then what was all the device overrides for?
Nov 06 18:06:57 <dwc-> I'm confused
Nov 06 18:07:15 <dwc-> what version of wosqi?
Nov 06 18:07:41 <lesjaw> 3.14
Nov 06 18:07:51 <dwc-> I had success with 4.04
Nov 06 18:07:59 <Abyssul-TP> Why....
Nov 06 18:08:05 <dwc-> failing that, I would say, install the palm SDK
Nov 06 18:08:15 <Abyssul-TP> The latest version is 4.3.1
Nov 06 18:08:16 <lesjaw> i have install palm sdk
Nov 06 18:08:32 <dwc-> then get preware from get.preware.org and palm-install it
Nov 06 18:08:32 <lesjaw> where can i download 4.3.1?
Nov 06 18:08:56 <Abyssul-TP> http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/274461-webos-quick-install-v4-3-1-a.html
Nov 06 18:09:42 <Abyssul-TP> At least doctoring should fix ur restarting issue
Nov 06 18:09:50 <Abyssul-TP> So not all is lost
Nov 06 18:10:43 <lesjaw> yes i hope so..
Nov 06 18:12:03 <lesjaw> this webos thing so exciting.. lol .. i have been use android since htc g1 out.. this is my first date with webos,, shame HP close webos division..
Nov 06 18:13:39 <Abyssul-TP> Cool :-) you wont find a community better than ours
Nov 06 18:13:52 <Abyssul-TP> My tp is almost dead lol
Nov 06 18:14:06 <lesjaw> tp?
Nov 06 18:15:39 <Abyssul-TP> Touchpad
Nov 06 18:16:00 <lesjaw> i see..
Nov 06 18:16:10 <lesjaw> btw, WOSQI now run fine.. i can install any app..
Nov 06 18:16:25 <Abyssul-TP> See, alllllllllllll of that
Nov 06 18:16:36 <lesjaw> about WOSRU, what is the latest version, perhaps i have an old one
Nov 06 18:17:01 <Abyssul-TP> (and maybe the repair utility doesnt work, it hasnt been updated in a while, but there isnt much usr for it anymore)
Nov 06 18:17:24 <Abyssul-TP> RU isnt used anymore
Nov 06 18:17:49 <lesjaw> i see
Nov 06 18:18:36 <Abyssul-TP> Gmaps was discontinued
Nov 06 18:21:05 <Abyssul-TP> Well now that is settled, what else lesjaw?
Nov 06 18:24:12 <lesjaw> Abyssul-TP: nothing for now.. thanks bro..
Nov 06 18:27:31 <lesjaw> dwc-: thanks to you too man
Nov 06 18:45:21 <dwc-> you're welcome, enjoy your phone :)
Nov 06 18:51:46 <Abyssul-TP> 1%, 5 hour battery life on TP, how sad
Nov 06 20:14:20 <brenner__> hmm, i'm new to cross compiling, i've set up a scratchbox as described in the wiki
Nov 06 20:14:31 <brenner__> took my little SDL testing app
Nov 06 20:15:02 <brenner__> compiles fine for x86, but not for arm, because it can't find libsdl for arm obviously
Nov 06 20:15:25 <brenner__> is there a convienient way to get that or do i have to compile every dependency myself?
Nov 06 21:25:07 <rwhitby> brenner__: WIDK
Nov 06 21:27:15 <brenner__> rwhitby i'll check tomorrow scratchbox should have an apt-get wrapper for this, but apparently my scratchbox is fsckd, will take a look at WIDK tomorrow
Nov 06 21:30:51 <wrea> Something is fsckd here too. Was compiling pulseaudio for the extra modules, I finally got it all done and was going to test my Makefile again and then it stopped working
Nov 06 21:31:32 <wrea> Suddenly it was looking for libsndfile in cross-compile/staging
Nov 06 23:15:05 <uptown> hello out there
Nov 06 23:52:34 <Vince42> where in the file system reside the e-mail signatures?
Nov 07 00:00:17 <Vince42> or is there a nice resource where the internal file system is explained?
Nov 07 00:02:11 <nightburn> playing with the new pre3 kernel now, thanks uNiXpSyChO and webOS internals
Nov 07 00:08:28 <Vince42> where can i find the e-mail signature files / db on my webOS file system?
Nov 07 00:08:55 <rwhitby> Vince42: Impostah
Nov 07 00:10:25 <hiddenpremise> rwhitby: Impostah is a beast
Nov 07 00:11:26 <rwhitby> I doubt you've seen half of what it can do ;)
Nov 07 00:12:22 <hiddenpremise> i bet you're right about that
Nov 07 00:12:58 <Vince42> rwhitby: thx
Nov 07 00:13:01 <nightburn> i randomly used it to clear the tweaks database
Nov 07 00:13:03 <rwhitby> Impostah and Meta-Doctor have lots of little-used, undocumented, but extremely powerful features ;)
Nov 07 00:15:44 <Vince42> Impostah has no "back" button on touchpad ... hmmmm ... :)
Nov 07 00:16:08 <Vince42> who killed the gesture area for the touchpad anyway :(
Nov 07 00:16:52 <Vince42> rwhitby: could you point me to the correct place where to lookup the e-mail sig locations?
Nov 07 00:17:03 <nightburn> kind of a smart move imo. have you ever tried teaching the gestures to a complete newb? it's a nightmare
Nov 07 00:17:24 <rwhitby> Impostah has back buttons. They may not have icons on them.
Nov 07 00:17:42 <Vince42> most newbs i met started using those gestures on there iOS devices afterwards :)
Nov 07 00:18:05 <Vince42> @back button: i was kidding, sry
Nov 07 00:20:58 <Vince42> okay, I am obviously not capable of finding the location of the e-mail sigs - any hint please?
Nov 07 00:21:27 <rwhitby> no idea. they'll be in db8 somewhere I expect
Nov 07 00:22:08 <nightburn> use the database option impostah. it's gotta be in there somewhere. im hunting for it too, for you.
Nov 07 00:22:13 <Vince42> thought so too and queried everything that sounded like "email" ... no luck so far ... well, if *you* don't know, nobody knows :)
Nov 07 00:22:26 <Vince42> thx nightburn
Nov 07 00:26:01 <nightburn> well you can "just type" within the database tool of impostah (awesome feature btw rwhitby) but i'm still not have any luck finding the signature.
Nov 07 00:26:45 <Vince42> wow @ just type ... didn't know that ... the seem very hidden ... :)
Nov 07 00:28:22 <Vince42> just another dumb one: how do i invoke the virtual keyboard on my touchpad in order to just type in the db explorer?
Nov 07 00:29:04 <nightburn> hmm good question
Nov 07 00:29:12 <nightburn> im using my pre3
Nov 07 00:29:25 <Vince42> guess i should do that too :P
Nov 07 00:29:31 <nightburn> you probably can't
Nov 07 00:29:32 <Vince42> np: just wondering ...
Nov 07 00:29:41 <nightburn> yea search for it on a pre if you have one.. probably easier
Nov 07 00:29:50 <Vince42> ye
Nov 07 00:29:51 <nightburn> or use the bluetooth keyboard on the touchpad maybe ?
Nov 07 00:29:59 <Vince42> hmmmm ... nifty idea :)
Nov 07 00:30:05 <hmmmm> hmmmm
Nov 07 00:30:19 <nightburn> just tap "database kind" and start typing
Nov 07 00:31:35 <nightburn> i need a faster way to adjust voltages in govnah
Nov 07 00:31:37 <Vince42> ossum
Nov 07 00:32:35 <Vince42> i fear it could be encrypted :(
Nov 07 00:33:05 <Vince42> the only "promising" db seems to be com.palm.imap.email ...
Nov 07 00:33:06 <Darkmagister> govnah in exhibition mode have a problem, on the pre3, have a "blank" line at the bottom, anyone else with the same problem ??
Nov 07 00:33:33 <nightburn> yea, that's just because it hasn't fully been optimized for the pre3
Nov 07 00:33:34 <Vince42> i guess it's due to the fact that the display of the pre3 is a little higher than the pre
Nov 07 00:34:08 <Darkmagister> how can i fix this :D
Nov 07 00:34:13 <nightburn> you can't
Nov 07 00:34:15 <Vince42> you can't :)
Nov 07 00:34:17 <Vince42> lol
Nov 07 00:34:24 <nightburn> oil will probably fix it eventually
Nov 07 00:34:44 <Vince42> take a marker and paint the display ... :P
Nov 07 00:34:54 <hiddenpremise> duct tape across the bottom of the display
Nov 07 00:35:04 <Darkmagister> hiddenpremise ahhaha
Nov 07 00:35:04 <nightburn> use a piece of electrical tape to cover that portion of the screen. lol
Nov 07 00:35:10 <nightburn> hahaha
Nov 07 00:35:15 <Darkmagister> lool
Nov 07 00:35:19 <Vince42> *gg*
Nov 07 00:35:28 <Vince42> we are nerds ... :( :P
Nov 07 00:36:30 <Darkmagister> ok :D anyone know where i can found some info about what i have to put on the cleanup function of the scene ???
Nov 07 00:37:02 <Darkmagister> to clean the stuff
Nov 07 00:37:08 <rwhitby> nightburn: the "BetterListSelector" widget was done by oil, and is indeed awesome.
Nov 07 00:37:59 <hiddenpremise> anyone have any ideas why a enyo VirtualList won't work within a RowGroup? It never calls the setupRow
Nov 07 00:38:00 <Darkmagister> but a question, if i close an app all the stuff that this app use are cleaned up automatically true ??? or i have to do something manually ?
Nov 07 00:38:06 <nightburn> is there a way i can adjust voltage outside of govnah?
Nov 07 00:38:19 <rwhitby> nightburn: sure, poke the /sys files directly
Nov 07 00:38:34 <Vince42> HEUREKA!
Nov 07 00:38:37 <Vince42> FOUND IT!
Nov 07 00:38:38 <rwhitby> use ls-monitor to see the strings that govnah sends through to the kernel
Nov 07 00:38:40 <nightburn> the govnah interface for voltage isn't giving me enough choices. i miss the old 'advanced' interface
Nov 07 00:38:58 <hiddenpremise> vince42: nice!
Nov 07 00:39:02 <rwhitby> nightburn: it allows adjustments two steps either way at a time
Nov 07 00:39:09 <Vince42> hiddenpremise: yeeeeeeeeee :)
Nov 07 00:39:13 <rwhitby> nightburn: you can continue adjusting as many times as you like
Nov 07 00:39:13 <nightburn> yea 2 steps isn't enough imo
Nov 07 00:39:22 <nightburn> yea i know .
Nov 07 00:39:30 <rwhitby> how many steps should it allow?
Nov 07 00:39:57 <nightburn> for instance. i've lowered the the voltage on my 1250 to 1225mV
Nov 07 00:40:03 <nightburn> which was like 1 million taps
Nov 07 00:40:08 <nightburn> at 1.4 ghz
Nov 07 00:40:14 <nightburn> pre3
Nov 07 00:41:02 <nightburn> i don't know.. definitely more than 2 in each directly tho.. probably 5 ? would be fine.
Nov 07 00:42:43 <Vince42> are there any monospaced / fixed with fonts preinstalled?
Nov 07 00:42:54 <nightburn> i just feel like it shouldn't take that much effort to lower it only by 25mV
Nov 07 00:43:20 <Vince42> i am currently considering to twek /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.email/css/mail.css in order to get my "good" plain text look n feel back ...
Nov 07 00:45:29 <nightburn> probably is a "courier new" equilivant in webos
Nov 07 00:45:56 <nightburn> i don't know for sure though.
Nov 07 00:47:16 <Vince42> checking ... :P
Nov 07 00:47:57 <Vince42> and here comes another dumb one: how do i add a favorite to Internalz?
Nov 07 00:48:10 <nightburn> yea, i don't think you do
Nov 07 00:48:17 <nightburn> would be nice tho
Nov 07 00:53:03 <uptown> trying to do this on a chrooted touchpad. any guesses as to whether it would still fly? http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/ssh_to_debian_chroot_on_palm_pre/
Nov 07 00:57:08 <uptown> actually i get a "can't create: read-only file system" when i try to create /etc/event.d/ubuntu_start in novaterm
Nov 07 00:57:50 <uptown> is there any way i can get rw access the /etc? not sure what my options are
Nov 07 00:58:54 <jcsullins> uptown: mount -o remount,rw /
Nov 07 01:00:35 <uptown> thanks. thought i'd better ask
Nov 07 01:02:24 <jcsullins> np. just be careful; it's read-only by default for a reason :)
Nov 07 01:03:27 <Vince42> k, nuff 4 tonite :P
Nov 07 01:03:30 <Vince42> cya guys!
Nov 07 01:04:05 <wrea> rootfs_open works too
Nov 07 01:04:20 <rwhitby> uptown: why not just use the Debian Chroot in Preware ?
Nov 07 01:04:52 <rwhitby> nightburn: ok, will change to 5 steps in each direction
Nov 07 01:06:08 <nightburn> awesome thanks rwhitby, it wasn't much of annoyance prior to the pre3, i think it's just greater voltage ranges are possible now..
Nov 07 01:07:35 <rwhitby> nightburn: so currently it's -1000, +1000 - what should it be?
Nov 07 01:07:52 <rwhitby> -2500, +2500 ?
Nov 07 01:08:20 <nightburn> hmm can this be "per device" because i think the values were fine on pre, pre+ devices.
Nov 07 01:08:58 <rwhitby> ok, will leave it as +/- 2 on Pre/Pre+
Nov 07 01:09:05 <rwhitby> it's omap or qualcomm basically
Nov 07 01:10:38 <nightburn> if increments of 5000 in both directions are possible "per cpu voltage scene load" that would be good
Nov 07 01:11:44 <uptown> no reason other than i got started with the ubuntu one
Nov 07 01:11:57 <nightburn> right now it's increments of 500 and i only get 2 choices above or below the current selection
Nov 07 01:12:29 <hewball> is the pre3 meant to show a govnah profile for uberkernel ?
Nov 07 01:12:41 <rwhitby> uptown: ah, sorry, I just looked at the page and realise it's not about setting up the chroot itself
Nov 07 01:12:53 <nightburn> rwhitby: i think increments of 1000, with 5 choices above or below current selection would be ideal.
Nov 07 01:13:12 <rwhitby> nightburn: I thought the smallest granularity was 500 ?
Nov 07 01:13:24 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: what do you think?
Nov 07 01:13:29 <uptown> rwhitby: np, i'm a fedora person myself so i just picked the one that looked further along on google
Nov 07 01:13:58 <nightburn> keeping the granularity at 500 is fine but then I feel we need 10 total choices in each direction
Nov 07 01:14:16 <nightburn> yes, i'd like to hear what uNiXpSyChO has to say about this.
Nov 07 01:14:17 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby:wasnt it a scrolling menu before?
Nov 07 01:14:22 <rwhitby> the idea of keeping the choices limited is to encourage people to test incrementally
Nov 07 01:14:40 <nightburn> the scrolling menu now. limits us to 5 choices within a very small window.. =/
Nov 07 01:14:57 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: it shows 'x' choices in each direction, unless it knows what the possible min and max are in advance by the kernel telling govnah
Nov 07 01:15:03 <nightburn> my argument is that window is now too small on the pre3.
Nov 07 01:15:28 <uNiXpSyChO> the kernel does tell Govnah ;-)
Nov 07 01:15:48 <rwhitby> has that changed since Pre- days?
Nov 07 01:15:53 <rwhitby> (how it tells Govnah)
Nov 07 01:15:55 <uNiXpSyChO> i say 500 is fine.  cuz that's alot in voltage terms.
Nov 07 01:16:04 <uNiXpSyChO> vdd_min and vdd_max
Nov 07 01:16:29 <uNiXpSyChO> in pre- days it was something else like vsel_min or something
Nov 07 01:16:52 <nightburn> ive lowered the voltage on my pre3 by 40mv or 40,000 ( in the increments we're talking about) and it's still fine
Nov 07 01:17:40 <rwhitby> ah, I know why we changed - before there was no way of setting the pop-up list to the current value
Nov 07 01:18:01 <rwhitby> so you'd get a list of millions of voltage choices and no way to remember where you were or easily scroll to where you where
Nov 07 01:18:43 <rwhitby> ok, 10 choices in each direction, 500 granularity
Nov 07 01:18:55 <nightburn> perfect, thank you.
Nov 07 01:19:24 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: and yes, we do limit it to vdd_min and vdd_max
Nov 07 01:19:34 <uNiXpSyChO> ah
Nov 07 01:20:10 <rwhitby> actually, going to limit that to 5 each way
Nov 07 01:20:20 <rwhitby> otherwise the selected value is off the screen and it's confusing
Nov 07 01:20:41 <nightburn> uNiXpSyChO: the voltage values in your new a-1 skyraider kernel. how close are they to stock at 1.4ghz?
Nov 07 01:21:32 <nightburn> rwhitby: that's at least something. it'll still get me the ability to lower it by 3 more increments than I currently have.
Nov 07 01:21:35 <rwhitby> uNiXpSyChO: so 0.5 mV increments?
Nov 07 01:21:44 <nightburn> can't you make that list more "scrollable"
Nov 07 01:21:51 <halfhalo> mmm.... overclocking....
Nov 07 01:22:02 <rwhitby> it is scollable
Nov 07 01:22:05 * halfhalo goes to fiddle with kernel in git
Nov 07 01:22:07 <uNiXpSyChO> rwhitby: thats fine
Nov 07 01:22:17 <nightburn> then why would it ever be "off screen"
Nov 07 01:22:43 <rwhitby> nightburn: but if I pop up a list with 10 items with higher voltages than current, and the current is off screen, then people will select the top item and complain to uNiXpSyChO and myself that their device now crashes
Nov 07 01:23:02 <nightburn> uggh okay
Nov 07 01:23:13 <nightburn> then those people should just be banned
Nov 07 01:23:14 <rwhitby> you only see 8.5 items on a Pre 3 screen
Nov 07 01:23:22 <nightburn> or ion-cannoned
Nov 07 01:23:24 <rwhitby> nightburn: easy for you to say - you don't get the emails
Nov 07 01:23:36 <nightburn> I hear you..
Nov 07 01:23:43 <rwhitby> it's not like you change voltages every day of the week
Nov 07 01:23:48 <nightburn> I just wish we didn't have to dumb everything down for the masses all the time.
Nov 07 01:23:55 <nightburn> this is true..
Nov 07 01:24:43 <nightburn> well whatever you can do, to improve it at all, will be appreciated..
Nov 07 01:25:05 <hewball> nightburn: never be amazed by users, they always find a new way to do something stupid
Nov 07 01:25:20 <rwhitby> 5 each way, with 0.5mV is what it will be
Nov 07 01:25:48 <nightburn> cool, thanks.
Nov 07 01:46:56 * uNiXpSyChO finds bug in override module.... <...clicks keyboard furiously...>
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