**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 12 02:59:56 2011
Nov 12 03:24:34 <Indian> hello
Nov 12 03:24:45 <Indian> I am trying to install preware
Nov 12 03:24:52 <Indian> and I get errors on palmpre
Nov 12 03:32:23 <hiddenpremise> Indian: do you have your device in developer mode? what install method are you trying?
Nov 12 03:32:55 <Indian> I installed preware
Nov 12 03:33:14 <Indian> but when I try to get the app details
Nov 12 03:33:20 <Indian> it throws error
Nov 12 03:34:02 <hiddenpremise> so after you launch preware and select an app/patch taht you want to install, you get an error?
Nov 12 03:34:19 <Indian> nope
Nov 12 03:34:27 <Indian> after launching preware
Nov 12 03:34:31 <Indian> it tries to fetch
Nov 12 03:34:42 <hiddenpremise> yeah, are you behind a proxy or a coporate firewall?
Nov 12 03:34:45 <Indian> nope
Nov 12 03:35:30 <Indian> any way I am trying to get a virtual keyboard
Nov 12 03:35:33 <Indian> where canI get
Nov 12 03:36:08 <hiddenpremise> no idea on the pre. all i've got's a touchpad
Nov 12 03:36:14 <Indian> ok
Nov 12 03:36:48 <hiddenpremise> you should see if you can hit ipkg.preware.org from your computer
Nov 12 03:37:10 <hiddenpremise> anycase, good luck
Nov 12 03:38:02 <Indian> ok thanks
Nov 12 03:41:36 <scoutcamper> ~webos-help
Nov 12 03:41:36 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, webos-help is what wikipage are you following? what device do you have? running what version of webos?
Nov 12 03:58:39 <rwhitby> yep, those are always the first questions to ask
Nov 12 03:59:04 <rwhitby> Indian: are you having problems *installing* preware or *using* preware?
Nov 12 03:59:20 <Indian> rwhitby: I managed to get preware
Nov 12 03:59:25 <Indian> installed it
Nov 12 03:59:29 <rwhitby> ok, post a screenshot of the error
Nov 12 03:59:40 <Indian> Well I am reinstalling
Nov 12 03:59:53 <Indian> installing in progress
Nov 12 03:59:57 <chpwn> okay, but for the future Indian: stating you get an error without saying what the error is...
Nov 12 04:00:13 <Indian> Can I ask how to get virtual keyboard?
Nov 12 04:00:26 <chpwn> you can ask, but you can't ask if you can ask
Nov 12 04:00:48 <rwhitby> Indian: what device, what version of webOS. always start with those facts.
Nov 12 04:00:53 <Indian> ok
Nov 12 04:01:02 <rwhitby> be precise and detailed
Nov 12 04:01:47 <rwhitby> I find that if I have to play 20 questions, I end up silently ignore the person asking for help.
Nov 12 04:10:38 <Indian> rwhitby: I installed virtual keyboard and it installed themes
Nov 12 04:10:47 <Indian> but I cannot see any theme manager
Nov 12 04:20:07 <p0rk2> rwhitby: just checked and it's been about 3.5 hours, processor is still stuck at 97%. Think a character in a message might cause the service to hang?
Nov 12 04:20:43 <rwhitby> p0rk2: what does /var/log/messages say about it?
Nov 12 04:21:23 <p0rk2> ...hold the phone, I think it might not be running anymore
Nov 12 04:22:06 <rwhitby> Indian: that statement about ignoring folks who don't give precise and detailed answers to questions like what device and what webos version just didn't sink in, did it?
Nov 12 04:22:34 <p0rk2> rwhitby: it's not. processor is back to normal. I was deleting some old conversations, but it could have just finished. I'll open up the file anyway
Nov 12 04:23:05 <rwhitby> p0rk2: sounds like an old conversation caused it to go in a loop
Nov 12 04:23:16 <p0rk2> rwhitby: that's what I'm thinking
Nov 12 04:23:57 <Indian> palm pre 1
Nov 12 04:24:03 <Indian> webos 1.4.5
Nov 12 04:25:42 <p0rk2> lots of messages like this: http://pastebin.com/J4QjVFYM
Nov 12 04:28:42 <p0rk2> seemed like that fixed it though, chatthreader.js isn't running anymore and the cpu is at 2.5%. gracias rwhitby, stay awesome
Nov 12 04:29:51 <rwhitby> p0rk2: cheers
Nov 12 04:50:07 <Indian> rwhitby: around
Nov 12 04:50:19 <Indian> I am using palm pre1 with webos 1.4.5
Nov 12 04:50:36 <Indian> installed optware and wondering how can I get virtual keyboard
Nov 12 05:06:34 <rwhitby> which virtual keyboard are you referring to?
Nov 12 06:43:31 <EricBlade> rwhitby: of course, you were correct about that device wipe happening
Nov 12 08:05:27 <rwhitby> EricBlade: webOS devices wipe at the slightest hint of disconnection from the profile
Nov 12 08:19:50 <EricBlade> rwhitby (or anyone else who might have an insight), you were mentioning something about it being possible to change the profile used using impostah?  could i use that to switch profiles on my own touchpad, purchase an app for the account that this remote one is linked to, then switch back?
Nov 12 08:22:49 <EricBlade> so she could call me up, say i want the Ancient Egypt app, and i could purchase it from my touchpad using her profile, and then she could download it?
Nov 12 08:24:41 <ka6sox> that looks like a recipe for complication
Nov 12 08:25:27 <EricBlade> complicated sure beats giving a woman that i don't trust in the slightest anymore (her mother) access to my credit card. :D
Nov 12 08:26:15 <ka6sox> so use impostah to log into her profile, buy the app (which of course will boot her off)
Nov 12 08:26:37 <ka6sox> then you switch back to your profile
Nov 12 08:26:50 <ka6sox> and she logs back in and "recovers" the app?
Nov 12 08:26:59 <ka6sox> is that what you are thinking?
Nov 12 08:27:16 <EricBlade> that is pretty much what i'm thinking
Nov 12 08:27:45 <EricBlade> i haven't exactly figured out how to achieve that with impostah at the moment
Nov 12 08:28:04 <ka6sox> impostah will let you log into different profiles.
Nov 12 08:30:40 <rwhitby> EricBlade: if you have a TouchPad, and she has a phone, that would work.  Two phones, and the other device gets wiped.
Nov 12 08:32:17 <ka6sox> dang.
Nov 12 08:37:12 <EricBlade> is that the "Activation" button ?
Nov 12 08:43:24 <EricBlade> i guess so
Nov 12 13:22:48 <hrkfdn> gahhh.. novacomd won't play with libusb. i have already installed the old compat version, but for some reason it's loading both libusbs and maybe because of that spits out the "error: reading packet" thing?
Nov 12 13:22:54 <hrkfdn> ldd says:
Nov 12 13:22:59 <hrkfdn> libusb-0.1.so.4 => ./libusb-0.1.so.4 (0x00007f9d99f35000)
Nov 12 13:23:00 <hrkfdn> AND
Nov 12 13:23:04 <hrkfdn> libusb-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libusb-1.0.so.0 (0x00007f9d999a0000)
Nov 12 13:24:18 <hrkfdn> is precomd already a safe/usable alternative?
Nov 12 13:32:51 <hrkfdn> okay, it really is depending on both libraries
Nov 12 13:50:19 <hrkfdn> hah, nvm. got it.
Nov 12 15:39:50 <Sythen> Good afternoon everyone.
Nov 12 15:52:31 <ka6sox> ~ugt
Nov 12 15:52:31 <infobot> i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
Nov 12 15:52:44 <ka6sox> good morning
Nov 12 15:54:50 * dwc- laughs
Nov 12 15:55:19 <Sythen> hello ka6sox
Nov 12 15:55:33 <ka6sox> hello Sythen
Nov 12 15:56:15 <Sythen> just jumped ship from windows mobile 6.5 to webos, so im looking around the community, thought id stop in and say hello
Nov 12 15:56:30 <ka6sox> excellent.
Nov 12 15:56:37 <dwc-> enjoy your stay, however long it turns out to be
Nov 12 15:56:38 <ka6sox> what device did you get?
Nov 12 15:56:45 <Sythen> i bought a pre 2
Nov 12 15:57:28 <ka6sox> nice device
Nov 12 15:58:32 <Sythen> i was very suprised for the cost of the device and what i actually got, its a very well built phone
Nov 12 15:58:42 <dwc-> +1
Nov 12 15:58:45 <Sythen> seller threw in a touchstone with it aswell
Nov 12 16:00:37 <Sythen> theres only 2 issues with i have with the device really
Nov 12 16:01:14 <Sythen> 1. theres no google maps (that i can find anyway)
Nov 12 16:01:25 <Sythen> 2. ive had a few issues with wIRC
Nov 12 16:01:41 <cryptk> Sythen, they recently replaced Google Maps with Bing maps
Nov 12 16:01:52 <cryptk> the Google Maps app was really terri-bad anyway, lol
Nov 12 16:01:52 <Sythen> i wonder why
Nov 12 16:01:59 <Sythen> really?
Nov 12 16:02:04 <Sythen> oh, right on then
Nov 12 16:02:05 <cryptk> had a few features that Bing maps doesn't, but it took FOREVER for it to start up
Nov 12 16:02:15 <cryptk> and I mean in some cases minutes
Nov 12 16:02:16 <dwc-> the google maps app was loaded from the google servers every time
Nov 12 16:02:20 <cryptk> yep
Nov 12 16:02:33 <Sythen> it was remotely loaded? the hell!?
Nov 12 16:02:38 <cryptk> so it would have to re-download it every time basically... imagine trying to bring it up in a spot where you have low signal
Nov 12 16:02:41 <dwc-> the downside to the bing maps is the search sucks, and there's no transit directions, etc
Nov 12 16:02:57 <cryptk> dwc-, what do you mean no transit directions?
Nov 12 16:02:58 <dwc-> (at least, not where I am)
Nov 12 16:03:03 <cryptk> like cab and bus directions?
Nov 12 16:03:12 <dwc-> they don't have the providers in this area
Nov 12 16:03:13 <dwc-> yep
Nov 12 16:03:20 <cryptk> ahh, yeah, no cab/bus directions
Nov 12 16:03:21 <Sythen> do you have any sudggestions on a better gps application?
Nov 12 16:03:24 <cryptk> or walking directions
Nov 12 16:03:47 <cryptk> Sythen, I'm personally not a fan of it, but some people like BFG Maps
Nov 12 16:04:02 <dwc-> re: 2.... what sort of wirc issues.you're certainly not the only one to have 'em
Nov 12 16:04:03 <cryptk> I find the interface too cluttered
Nov 12 16:04:23 <cryptk> yeah, dwc- this is definitely the right place to voice those concerns, given that wIRC is made by WOSI
Nov 12 16:04:25 <Sythen> every once in a while, a message just wont appear on my screen
Nov 12 16:04:27 <ka6sox> Sythen, what are you looking for in a GPS application?
Nov 12 16:04:46 <dwc-> cryptk: or #wirc
Nov 12 16:04:51 <cryptk> dwc-, there too
Nov 12 16:04:57 <Sythen> something that works really,
Nov 12 16:05:08 <cryptk> in fact, they are both correct, but #wirc would probably be "more correcter"
Nov 12 16:05:15 <dwc-> works for what though? tracking location? finding yourself?
Nov 12 16:05:21 <dwc-> navigation?
Nov 12 16:05:23 <Sythen> should i go there to report the issue?
Nov 12 16:05:28 <Sythen> would be nice
Nov 12 16:05:52 <Sythen> im more of a function over form kinda person, but im willing to try every option open to me
Nov 12 16:05:55 <cryptk> Sythen, you can report it on the wIRC bug tracker
Nov 12 16:05:56 <cryptk> http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/wirc
Nov 12 16:06:02 <Sythen> ahhh, thanks
Nov 12 16:06:08 <cryptk> Sythen, do you not have any map application on your pre2?
Nov 12 16:06:24 <cryptk> if you don't, go to the App Catalog and search for "Maps" and install it... that one is Bing Maps
Nov 12 16:06:27 <Sythen> nope, i removed the bing one
Nov 12 16:06:36 <cryptk> not sure if BFG Maps is App Cat or Homebrew
Nov 12 16:06:46 <dwc-> I'm still curious though about your wirc issue though
Nov 12 16:07:00 <dwc-> if it's something I can reproduce and fix, I'll submit a patch
Nov 12 16:07:16 <Sythen> ok, were talking as we are right now, messages are coming in, and going out
Nov 12 16:07:24 <cryptk> Sythen, is it that every now and then you won't get a message that you said, or a message that someone else said?
Nov 12 16:07:27 <Sythen> you can see that im chatting away
Nov 12 16:07:39 <Sythen> but every now and again, a message wont appear
Nov 12 16:07:51 <cryptk> but a message from you? or from others in the channel?
Nov 12 16:07:54 <ka6sox> Sythen, does the unit "sleep" inbetween?
Nov 12 16:07:56 <Sythen> from others
Nov 12 16:08:00 <Sythen> no
Nov 12 16:08:15 <Sythen> but, ill check again just to be sure
Nov 12 16:08:15 <dwc-> and scrolling up doesn't make it show up?
Nov 12 16:08:33 <cryptk> I am assuming that you know the message isn't coming in because you are watching IRC on two systems?
Nov 12 16:08:57 <Sythen> correct
Nov 12 16:08:59 <dwc-> huh. I've never seen that one
Nov 12 16:09:10 <cryptk> yeah, same here... never seen that happen before
Nov 12 16:09:17 <Sythen> ill help test however i can
Nov 12 16:09:33 <cryptk> if you can figure out a way to force it to happen, that would be really helpful
Nov 12 16:09:39 <dwc-> I see tons of issues, but that isn't one of them!
Nov 12 16:09:44 <Sythen> ill certianly try
Nov 12 16:10:02 <cryptk> Sythen, are you running any 3rd party kernels (including ours)? any patches?
Nov 12 16:10:50 <Sythen> im running some patches, but this was occuring while running stock
Nov 12 16:11:04 <dwc-> so one message is missing
Nov 12 16:11:12 <Sythen> yup
Nov 12 16:11:13 <dwc-> but future messages come in just fine?
Nov 12 16:11:23 <dwc-> and you can still send messages, etc?
Nov 12 16:11:27 <Sythen> its tempremental
Nov 12 16:12:10 <dwc-> is it english?
Nov 12 16:12:29 <SythenOTG> english?
Nov 12 16:12:37 <dwc-> yea, english language
Nov 12 16:12:41 <SythenOTG> yup
Nov 12 16:12:51 <Sythen> right there
Nov 12 16:12:52 <dwc-> wondering about character sets
Nov 12 16:12:57 <Sythen> your message didnt come through
Nov 12 16:13:07 <Sythen> neither did mine
Nov 12 16:13:10 <dwc-> oh, weird :)
Nov 12 16:13:17 <dwc-> hmm
Nov 12 16:13:23 <dwc-> are any of these?
Nov 12 16:13:27 <Sythen> ok, no messages are coming in
Nov 12 16:13:38 <SythenOTG> but there going out
Nov 12 16:13:39 <dwc-> hit up the scroller
Nov 12 16:13:50 <dwc-> scroll up/down
Nov 12 16:13:50 <cryptk> Sythen, check the main wIRC window also, make sure you didn't get disconnected
Nov 12 16:13:59 <dwc-> he's not disconnected if he could 08:12 < SythenOTG> but there going out
Nov 12 16:14:17 <dwc-> and the main wIRC window is not a reliable indicator of disconnectedness :\
Nov 12 16:14:22 <cryptk> true
Nov 12 16:14:26 <Sythen> nope, havent, dc'ed
Nov 12 16:14:32 <Sythen> can pm myself just fine
Nov 12 16:14:41 <cryptk> what I am wondering is if his cell signal is dropping out, but his user just isn't timing out of IRC
Nov 12 16:14:55 <cryptk> ahh, so PM's work, but channel messages aren't...
Nov 12 16:14:57 <Sythen> ahhh, this is the funny thing tho, this is over wifi
Nov 12 16:15:07 <dwc-> still no new messages?
Nov 12 16:15:08 <cryptk> that is really odd... never ever seen that before
Nov 12 16:15:17 <Sythen> nope, nothing coming in
Nov 12 16:15:19 <Sythen> wait
Nov 12 16:15:21 <Sythen> hang on
Nov 12 16:15:23 <dwc-> try scrolling the channel window down and up a couple times
Nov 12 16:15:26 <dwc-> ?
Nov 12 16:15:28 <cryptk> in wIRC you can set a preferred connection
Nov 12 16:15:38 <cryptk> is it set to the cell connection?
Nov 12 16:15:38 <Sythen> i installed the adblocker, would that cause it to have an issue?
Nov 12 16:15:42 <dwc-> I know of one issue where it stops scrolling automatically
Nov 12 16:15:48 <Sythen> nope, set to the wifi
Nov 12 16:15:52 <dwc-> no, the adblocker is just an /etc/hosts file
Nov 12 16:15:53 <cryptk> Sythen, shouldn't cause it
Nov 12 16:16:11 <cryptk> yeah, it repoints a bunch of hostnames to 127.0.0.1 IIRC, but freenode isn't on that list
Nov 12 16:16:20 <Sythen> right on
Nov 12 16:16:40 <Sythen> you guys want a list of whats installed right now?
Nov 12 16:16:45 <cryptk> I'm kinda stumped... but then again, I'm not an app developer
Nov 12 16:16:49 <dwc-> nah
Nov 12 16:16:54 <Sythen> right on
Nov 12 16:16:58 <cryptk> in fact I don't know any Mojo or Enyo, lol
Nov 12 16:17:37 <dwc-> Sythen: have you tried scrolling the channel window down and up a couple times?
Nov 12 16:18:09 <Sythen> cant scroll
Nov 12 16:18:31 <dwc-> wait, that shouldn't be an issue anywyas.... he said it stopped about 3 lines in
Nov 12 16:19:11 <dwc-> have ssh or a novacom connection? grep wirc /var/log/messages
Nov 12 16:19:27 <dwc-> and grep -v the container messages
Nov 12 16:19:36 <dwc-> maybe there's something interesting in there
Nov 12 16:19:48 <Sythen> mmm
Nov 12 16:19:56 <SythenOTG> ping
Nov 12 16:20:09 <Sythen> pong
Nov 12 16:20:10 <dwc-> yes
Nov 12 16:20:21 <Sythen> ok, changed a few options
Nov 12 16:21:17 <Sythen> i enabled the lag meter, set auto ping to 10 seconds, set the preffered interface from non to wifi
Nov 12 16:21:27 <Sythen> dammit
Nov 12 16:22:23 <Sythen> ill leave it sitting there and see if it happens again
Nov 12 16:22:35 <Sythen> but it does seem to be behaving now
Nov 12 16:23:15 <Sythen> so, hows the weather?
Nov 12 16:23:46 <dwc-> the autoping thing is less useful than you might think, just fyi
Nov 12 16:24:00 <Sythen> ok, lets disable it, and see if it makes a difference
Nov 12 16:24:10 <dwc-> no, by all means, leave it on
Nov 12 16:24:28 <dwc-> I'm just saying the autoping thread will continue running even if the connection is dead
Nov 12 16:24:39 <Sythen> heh, im still getting used to the interface as you can see
Nov 12 16:24:39 <dwc-> and not report the deadness back to the UI
Nov 12 16:25:05 <dwc-> also, changing the autoping doesn't require a restart or rejoin
Nov 12 16:25:35 <Sythen> yeah, i didnt change it, but moving back and forth between menus and screens, im still getting used to it
Nov 12 16:25:53 <Sythen> my last phone was a treo pro with a custom winmo 6.5 rom on it
Nov 12 16:26:14 <ka6sox> Sythen, try using a streaming audio app and see if it does the same thing.
Nov 12 16:26:38 <Sythen> ermmm, i dont think i have any installed
Nov 12 16:26:40 <dwc-> old
Nov 12 16:26:57 <Sythen> she was old, but it was a decent phone
Nov 12 16:28:03 * dwc- nods
Nov 12 16:28:30 <Sythen> battery lasted about a week, which is impressive for a windows mobile device
Nov 12 17:10:53 <panel> if someone look for google maps for palm phones try this http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/306082-gift-simple-gmaps-you.html
Nov 12 17:11:09 <panel> it's not so good as original, but better than nothing
Nov 12 17:18:14 <Sythen> mmmmm, ill take alook at that
Nov 12 17:45:43 <RagingMind> Sythen, and if you make it ping too often your battery life will suck
Nov 12 17:45:52 <Sythen> yeah
Nov 12 17:46:03 <Sythen> ive left it at default
Nov 12 17:47:02 <RagingMind> my phone doesn't always stay connected to wifi when it sleeps (known issue on some of the older phones) so I can't stay connected with wirc like that.  it will stay connected for long periods on a cell network, but drains the battery.  *sigh*
Nov 12 17:47:30 <Sythen> that sucks
Nov 12 17:48:39 <RagingMind> my contract is up soon, then I'll get a pre3, veer, or pre2.  hopefully that'll make staying on irc easier :)
Nov 12 19:46:31 <jmichaelx> ok, what is the freaking deal that kubuntu oneiric does not respect phonon settings?
Nov 12 19:50:07 <el1as> i can't find the vitual keyboard and the terminal in preware :/
Nov 12 19:51:50 <jmichaelx> lol @ me posting in wrong room
Nov 12 19:52:58 <jmichaelx> el1as: you will need to add a feed or two. there are instructions if you google
Nov 12 20:00:33 <el1as> i know this one, but my pre is freezing very often if i use it ... i mean this one http://goo.gl/ANGKO - or is it the same?
Nov 12 20:02:23 <jmichaelx> ahh... i do not know about this one... sorry for misunderstanding you
Nov 12 20:02:59 <el1as> no problem and thank you anyway :)
Nov 12 20:07:17 <el1as> oh, hey ... since webos 2.0 theres no webos-internals virtual keyboard anymore ... :/ http://goo.gl/Wbxax
Nov 12 20:14:29 <el1as> jmichaelx: do you know a good terminal app except xterm? or how to customize it?
Nov 12 20:22:23 <jmichaelx> el1as: unfortunately xterm is the only terminal app i have used or am familiar with for webos
Nov 12 20:33:22 <el1as> jmichaelx: sorry for all the questions, but do you know in which dir the sms are saved?
Nov 12 22:05:13 <rwhitby> sms are not saved in a directory, they are in sqlite for webos 1.x and db8 for webos 2.x+
Nov 12 22:34:48 <bhuey> anybody have a link for the latest OS X Lion drivers ?
Nov 13 02:39:25 <themike> howdy
Nov 13 02:40:31 <themike> preware is stuck at reading saved packages on mt tp..any thoughts why?
Nov 13 02:41:15 <dwc-> format and reinstall
Nov 13 02:41:20 <dwc-> err, I mean, try rebooting
Nov 13 02:41:59 <themike> preware or the touchpad...done both..no joy
Nov 13 02:42:36 <themike> also done luna restart
Nov 13 02:44:33 <themike> anyone...bueller...lol
Nov 13 02:45:02 <ka6sox> heh
Nov 13 02:46:45 <dwc-> ~seen bueller
Nov 13 02:46:53 <infobot> bueller <81155044@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.21.80.68> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 419d 4h 18m 13s ago, saying: 'any new developments on the Android department?'.
Nov 13 02:46:59 <dwc-> aw
Nov 13 02:47:27 <themike> lol
Nov 13 02:47:48 <themike> my question was pure preware
Nov 13 02:48:27 <themike> norm the guys here are better the wolfram alpha..heh
Nov 13 02:49:54 <themike> then* tuned off spellvheck cause it got me in trouble
Nov 13 02:52:53 <dwc-> try uninstalling and reinstalling preware?
Nov 13 02:53:45 <rwhitby> themike: reinstall preware. it's a webos 3.0.4 bug - database accesses sometimes hang
Nov 13 02:54:32 <themike> ahh thnx!
Nov 13 02:55:07 <themike> if I can remember how..lol
Nov 13 02:55:16 <rwhitby> http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Nov 13 02:56:26 <themike> heh yep I got that app
Nov 13 02:57:40 <themike> larry walked me thru it all was awsome..took pity on me..lol
Nov 13 02:57:54 <themike> thnx guys!
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