**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 13 02:59:56 2011
Nov 13 03:02:01 <xd1936> Hey guys! I just installed the Ubuntu Chroot with the meta-doctor and got it all set up. I apt-get installed ubuntu-desktop properly. What's the command to launch it?
Nov 13 03:03:44 <xd1936> "startx" give me an error
Nov 13 03:04:22 <hpremise|away> try "/etc/init.d/gdm start"
Nov 13 03:05:19 <xd1936> "no such file or directory"
Nov 13 03:05:20 <xd1936> odd.
Nov 13 03:05:57 <xd1936> is that not part of the "ubuntu-desktop" package?
Nov 13 03:06:41 <xd1936> apt-get says that gdm is installed..
Nov 13 03:07:06 <hpremise|away> yeah, it is a dependency
Nov 13 03:07:22 <hpremise|away> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/ubuntu-desktop
Nov 13 03:07:53 <hpremise|away> do you have the locate command installed?
Nov 13 03:08:05 <xd1936> hmmm.
Nov 13 03:08:11 <hpremise|away> if not do an "apt-get install locate" then do a "updatedb" then "locate gdm"
Nov 13 03:08:27 <hpremise|away> that could take some time, but it will find anything
Nov 13 03:08:43 <jmichaelx> locate should be there by default
Nov 13 03:08:43 <xd1936> i got it to say "rather than invoking init scripts thorugh /etc/init.d, use the service.
Nov 13 03:08:46 <xd1936> "
Nov 13 03:09:01 <hpremise|away> jmichaelx: I'm like 99% sure I had to install it myself on the ubuntu chroot
Nov 13 03:09:02 <xd1936> so I tried "service gdm start" with nothing.
Nov 13 03:09:24 <jmichaelx> hpremise|away: ok, that may very well be the case
Nov 13 03:09:46 <xd1936> alright, i'm installing locate
Nov 13 03:10:14 <xd1936> updatedb'ing
Nov 13 03:10:24 * jmichaelx mispoke because i thought he was in #ubuntu
Nov 13 03:10:35 <hiddenpremise> haha well he sortof is
Nov 13 03:10:35 <jmichaelx> misspoke*
Nov 13 03:10:42 <jmichaelx> i guess lol
Nov 13 03:11:44 <xd1936> haha. nope! touchpad weekend project.
Nov 13 03:12:13 <xd1936> i did the ubuntu chroot from webos internals, ran great. installed "gnome-desktop", install went smooth
Nov 13 03:12:19 <xd1936> now i don't know how to launch it.
Nov 13 03:12:38 <xd1936> programs launch properly when done one by one from the command prompt.
Nov 13 03:12:43 <hiddenpremise> well, I'm curious to know how it works for you once you get it started. I just went with lxde
Nov 13 03:13:03 <hiddenpremise> gnome is kinda  heavy weight
Nov 13 03:13:26 <xd1936> it looked fairly smooth when i saw some videos of others. worse case, i'd switch from gnome.
Nov 13 03:13:34 <xd1936> either way, how do you get it to launch?! :)
Nov 13 03:13:56 <hiddenpremise> you still updatedb*ing
Nov 13 03:14:04 <xd1936> it finished.
Nov 13 03:15:28 <hiddenpremise> and locate gdm found nothing?
Nov 13 03:15:55 <xd1936> woah, yeah it did.
Nov 13 03:16:01 <xd1936> lots in usr and var
Nov 13 03:17:04 <hiddenpremise> anything in a bin or sbin?
Nov 13 03:17:08 <xd1936> i feel like it should just start gdm and the like at launch. instead, i just get the command prompt
Nov 13 03:17:34 <xd1936> i can't tell. it goes by too fast.
Nov 13 03:17:36 <xd1936> i think so.
Nov 13 03:17:49 <hiddenpremise> "locate gdm | grep bin"
Nov 13 03:18:16 <xd1936> awesome, i've never used locate
Nov 13 03:18:18 <xd1936> uh...
Nov 13 03:18:32 <xd1936> there's a gdm and gdm-binary in sbin
Nov 13 03:18:47 <xd1936> and a few other stuff, like gdm-screenshot, in bin
Nov 13 03:19:06 <hiddenpremise> ok so try /usr/sbin/gdm
Nov 13 03:19:12 <hiddenpremise> see what comes up
Nov 13 03:19:22 <hiddenpremise> maybe it will start gnome, maybe it will give you a usage screen
Nov 13 03:19:39 <hiddenpremise> maybe it will ignore you… lol
Nov 13 03:19:54 <xd1936> "couldn't connect to system bus: failed to connect to socket. no such file or directory.
Nov 13 03:19:55 <xd1936> "
Nov 13 03:19:57 <xd1936> wtf?
Nov 13 03:20:17 <xd1936> it's typed right.
Nov 13 03:20:20 <xd1936> so strange.
Nov 13 03:20:45 <xd1936> maybe... what is the command that grub passes to ubuntu to start? do i need to run that?
Nov 13 03:21:03 <hiddenpremise> so that is because webOS's dbus isn't what gnome expects
Nov 13 03:21:31 <xd1936> does gnome need an arm version?
Nov 13 03:21:32 <hiddenpremise> according to gnome's help you can edit your ".jhbuildrc" to reflect the correct socket location
Nov 13 03:21:36 <hiddenpremise> not sure where that would be
Nov 13 03:21:54 <hiddenpremise> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell all the way at the bottom
Nov 13 03:22:00 <xd1936> it shouldn't be this difficult though. sigh..
Nov 13 03:22:11 <xd1936> oh, yeah. i see.
Nov 13 03:22:13 <hiddenpremise> so do a "locate bus_socket"
Nov 13 03:22:25 <hiddenpremise> see if you can find it :D
Nov 13 03:22:47 <xd1936> nothing :(
Nov 13 03:22:56 <hiddenpremise> so probably well outside of the chroot
Nov 13 03:23:09 <xd1936> that would make sense.
Nov 13 03:23:15 <xd1936> http://forums.precentral.net/webos-development/300758-tutorial-ubuntu-gnome-audio-mic-control.html
Nov 13 03:23:32 <xd1936> do you think this guy's script does something special to enable gnome to start automatically?
Nov 13 03:24:24 <hiddenpremise> it looks like he is just allowing the chroot access to the tp's filesystem
Nov 13 03:25:05 <hiddenpremise> but I'm not at all an expert, give me a sec to think about it
Nov 13 03:25:19 <hiddenpremise> so he copies the bash config over
Nov 13 03:27:09 <xd1936> the only difference between that guy's steps and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot
Nov 13 03:27:16 <xd1936> is his script that enables audio
Nov 13 03:28:35 <hiddenpremise> you did the install for "hal", "libgtkstylus", and "xdotool"?
Nov 13 03:28:39 <xd1936> yessir
Nov 13 03:29:44 <hiddenpremise> man, I'm sorry I'm not more help, but I've got no clue
Nov 13 03:30:18 <xd1936> thanks for talking though. i'm glad someone of the 159 people in here talks! :)
Nov 13 03:30:42 <hiddenpremise> lol they pipe up here and there
Nov 13 03:31:02 <xd1936> of course!
Nov 13 03:31:05 <hiddenpremise> there was a good bit of talk about 10 minutes before you joined
Nov 13 03:31:08 <xd1936> drat
Nov 13 03:31:45 <hiddenpremise> I'll bet as it gets later for me (EST) there will be more
Nov 13 03:33:11 <hiddenpremise> xd1936: wild shot in the dark… have you done a device restart for good measure?
Nov 13 03:34:21 <xd1936> i believe so! i should do it again, just in case
Nov 13 03:34:28 <xd1936> i'll let you know in a couple.
Nov 13 03:34:53 <jmichaelx> where would a person go for a guide to preware feeds?
Nov 13 03:35:08 <hiddenpremise> http://ipkg.preware.org/ I think
Nov 13 03:35:16 <xd1936> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds
Nov 13 03:35:34 <jmichaelx> ipg.preware.org is no guide
Nov 13 03:35:37 <jmichaelx> ty
Nov 13 03:35:41 <hiddenpremise> oh, guide
Nov 13 03:35:55 <jmichaelx> yea, but ty anyways for the link
Nov 13 03:36:00 * hiddenpremise is not a thorough reader
Nov 13 03:36:27 <jmichaelx> i'm often not a thorough reader either
Nov 13 03:36:42 <xd1936> sure thing.
Nov 13 03:37:58 <jmichaelx> some of my feeds are no longer working (of course), and am just trying to figure out how to update the feeds to reflect the recent changes
Nov 13 03:41:51 <jmichaelx> are there some feeds that are just not working?
Nov 13 03:42:59 <jmichaelx> i am getting a bunch of errors when i update feeds :(
Nov 13 03:43:25 <hiddenpremise> that's no fun
Nov 13 03:44:16 <xd1936> the only time that happens to me, i have some sort of connectivity problem.
Nov 13 03:44:22 <xd1936> make sure you're connected, blah blah
Nov 13 03:44:35 <jmichaelx> i'm having no connectivity problems
Nov 13 03:44:58 <jmichaelx> but am getting 404's for a few feeds
Nov 13 03:45:40 <dwc-> which
Nov 13 03:46:15 <jmichaelx>  /webos-internals/testing
Nov 13 03:46:44 <dwc-> yep, that one's gone
Nov 13 03:47:05 <dwc-> it's been empty since the beta/alpha feeds came out
Nov 13 03:47:29 <dwc-> cryptk|offline: there's another one (/webos-internals/testing) you might want to put the 'migrated' metapackage up for
Nov 13 03:47:30 <jmichaelx> ty... i see what's going on now
Nov 13 03:54:23 <jmichaelx> is it enough to just add /beta, or do the subdirectories need to be added individually?
Nov 13 03:55:31 <hiddenpremise> do any of yall use navit? that's one of my main hangups from leaving my iphone for a pre3 is tomtom
Nov 13 03:59:17 <jmichaelx> feeds cannot be edited, only deleted, and re-added?
Nov 13 03:59:25 <billyboob> Is there a rendering issue with Internalz Pro when viewing a dir with lots of files or is just me?
Nov 13 03:59:42 * jmichaelx damned spell-checker
Nov 13 04:01:59 <jmichaelx> "you may not add beta testing feeds here"... wtf
Nov 13 04:05:17 <dwc-> jmichaelx: see testing.preware.org
Nov 13 04:05:46 <dwc-> (I won't tell you how to bypass that)
Nov 13 04:06:00 <jmichaelx> dwc-: ty, just finished that
Nov 13 04:06:01 <rwhitby> dwc-: not putting the migrated package up any more
Nov 13 04:09:00 <jmichaelx> for me it was just a matter of finding the docs (which i was pointed to here).    preware.org is not helpful at all
Nov 13 04:09:13 <xd1936> For those of you interested in my earlier problem, I just removed and reinstalled the ubuntu chroot package from preware and it started up
Nov 13 04:09:15 <xd1936> go figure.
Nov 13 04:09:37 <rwhitby> jmichaelx: testing.preware.org is mentioned in any forum thread from WebOS Internals announcing an alpha or beta test
Nov 13 04:09:49 <rwhitby> folks who are participating in that testing must be reading those threads
Nov 13 04:09:56 <hiddenpremise> xd1936: good for you!
Nov 13 04:10:01 <xd1936> :)
Nov 13 04:10:21 <rwhitby> xd1936: there's a bug in webOS where if you update lots of packages at the same time something goes wrong with the registration of the upstart scripts
Nov 13 04:10:29 <rwhitby> reinstalling one at a time fixes it.
Nov 13 04:10:49 <rwhitby> we don't know what causes it yet, but it's new in 3.0.2 or 3.0.4 it seems.
Nov 13 04:11:23 <xd1936> That's very good to know. Is there an easy way to fix the startup scripts without reinstallation? maybe a backup somehow?
Nov 13 04:11:30 <rwhitby> nope
Nov 13 04:11:34 <xd1936> fascinating.
Nov 13 04:11:37 <xd1936> Alright, thank you
Nov 13 04:11:46 <rwhitby> the files are there, upstart just doesn't recognise them for some reason
Nov 13 04:11:47 * hiddenpremise envies whitby's knowledge
Nov 13 04:12:02 <jmichaelx> rwhitby: ok, no problem... it still *might* be good if preware.org mentioned http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/
Nov 13 04:12:08 <rwhitby> hiddenpremise: BTW, like the suborbital name
Nov 13 04:12:12 <jmichaelx> but i can see why things are as they are
Nov 13 04:12:32 <hiddenpremise> rwhitby: thanks :)
Nov 13 04:15:05 * rwhitby counts the number of apps in the app catalog for each type of device
Nov 13 04:19:05 <rwhitby> TouchPad: 5562, Veer: 6440, Pre 3: 6454, Pre 2: 7116, Pixi: 6024, Pre: 6761.
Nov 13 04:20:51 <hiddenpremise> amazing that the touchpad is as close to the phones as it is
Nov 13 04:21:21 <xd1936> how interesting.
Nov 13 04:22:38 <hiddenpremise> now if only the hp folks in cubeland would just get their heads on straight and keep making great products
Nov 13 04:23:12 <rwhitby> it's not the folks in cubeland that can affect that, it's the folks in the ivory tower.
Nov 13 04:23:30 <hiddenpremise> lol, even they work in cubes
Nov 13 04:23:38 <hiddenpremise> it's scary really
Nov 13 04:23:44 <hiddenpremise> SVP's, EVP's all of em
Nov 13 04:25:38 <xd1936> Is there a defined way to right-click in ubuntu?
Nov 13 04:25:43 <xd1936> on the touchpad, that is
Nov 13 04:26:31 <xd1936> and dang, gnome runs suprisingly very well
Nov 13 04:26:42 <hiddenpremise> nice, hows the cpu load?
Nov 13 04:27:43 <xd1936> I'll check now
Nov 13 04:28:47 <xd1936> Browsing around on firefox keeps it at at least 80%
Nov 13 04:28:56 <xd1936> But it's incredibly smooth
Nov 13 04:29:22 <hiddenpremise> i fired up netbeans to see how that would work… it was pretty bogged down
Nov 13 04:29:23 <hiddenpremise> but it ran
Nov 13 04:29:58 <xd1936> How does eclipse run comparatively?
Nov 13 04:32:07 <hiddenpremise> haven't tried it. not an eclipse fan. i live in it at work
Nov 13 04:32:26 <hiddenpremise> i'll bet it can handle indigo decently though
Nov 13 04:33:36 <xd1936> I'm gonna head out. Thanks so much for everything guys
Nov 13 04:33:50 <hiddenpremise> xd1936: peace
Nov 13 04:38:21 <nburn> rwhitby , oil , unix , or whoever did it, thank you for fixing govnah voltage selection with the pre3 kernels.
Nov 13 04:46:30 <rwhitby> nburn: unix fixed the kernel code, I fixed govnah.
Nov 13 04:56:47 <rwhitby> 8399 webOS apps total across all devices.
Nov 13 05:46:55 <EricBlade> that sounds like a sad number.  not that any of us could probably even identify a large qty of those apps.
Nov 13 05:47:38 <EricBlade> and at least there aren't 7000 fart apps
Nov 13 06:06:27 <dwc-> audiobooks!1
Nov 13 06:30:15 <rwhitby> Appible LLC: 1003 "apps", AppBookShop: 539 "apps", Brighthouse Labs: 379 "apps"
Nov 13 06:30:44 * rrix frowns
Nov 13 06:45:36 <EricBlade> i'm guessing all 3 of those are the individual book guys
Nov 13 07:22:14 <maxexcloo> Hey, I just used WebOS Doctor to wipe my TouchPad to 3.0.4 and now I have a message on my TouchPad saying that the HP App Catalog Download Failed
Nov 13 07:37:47 * ka6sox gets new UK for 3G TP.
Nov 13 08:09:02 <green--> new uk?
Nov 13 08:09:53 <green--> ah, probably some kernel, not another united kingdom ;)
Nov 13 08:16:52 <jcsullins> micro kernel?
Nov 13 08:17:40 <chpwn> uberkernel
Nov 13 08:18:47 <jcsullins> doh!
Nov 13 08:59:30 <lesjaw> does theme manager app still exist in webos-internals preware feeds? because i can't find it..
Nov 13 09:03:25 <lesjaw> somebody?
Nov 13 11:35:17 <mOo> sconix: hi, i pretty much want to learn on how to modify and test /usr/palm/framework and mojo/builtins files in the right way. Advanced Patches did this pretty good. can you tell me how to?
Nov 13 11:37:13 <sconix> mOo: not sure I understand, it does not differ from modifying any files in WebOS
Nov 13 11:38:05 <mOo> how are submission/* files concat'ed into concatenated.js?
Nov 13 11:38:28 <sconix> ah I see, I don't know I have just edited them directly
Nov 13 11:38:42 <mOo> and is /usr/palm/frameworks/contacts/submission/99contacts.js generated from /usr/palm/frameworks/contacts/submission/99/concatenated.js?
Nov 13 11:38:46 <sconix> i.e. made the same change to those as to the uncompressed files
Nov 13 11:39:21 <sconix> I really don't know how they go since I though that its "safer" to just modify those files as well than try to regenerate them
Nov 13 11:39:28 <mOo> ah. do you know what is /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/*.js ? seems generated from /usr/palm/frameworks/*/submission/*.js
Nov 13 11:40:49 <sconix> I really did not spend any time figuring out what is generated from what, it seems that they are just stripped from whitespace pretty much
Nov 13 11:41:37 <mOo> lsof -np 7062 |grep contacts. i get /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmcontactsVersion1_0.js and /usr/palm/frameworks/contacts.ui/submission/39/concatenated.js etc. wonder how it decide which file to use
Nov 13 11:42:20 <mOo> okay, you just check those files manually. i'll go the same way.
Nov 13 11:42:31 <sconix> I don't know if all of those are even used so I patched all, but it also seemed that some apps use concatenated but most the normal files
Nov 13 11:42:36 <mOo> is there anyway to test framework files after updating them, beside restarting LunaSysMgr ?
Nov 13 11:43:27 <sconix> I gues thats the only way
Nov 13 11:43:29 <mOo> restarting luna take too much time, it call/restart almost everything else like requesting the sync services
Nov 13 11:43:33 <mOo> :(
Nov 13 11:43:42 <sconix> well thats why I always do the testing first in emulator
Nov 13 11:43:51 <sconix> it starts luna much faster :)
Nov 13 11:44:33 <mOo> okay..
Nov 13 11:44:49 <mOo> thanks for your time
Nov 13 11:45:02 <sconix> np
Nov 13 13:17:45 <rwhitby> $13,300 to purchase everything in the app catalog
Nov 13 13:57:18 <dwc-> any idea how many have carrier restrictions?
Nov 13 14:24:42 <rwhitby> no, will need to gather info from folks on different carriers to determine that
Nov 13 15:18:38 <rwatkins> I submitted an update to the Browser Super Sharing Mix patch / tweak to support os 2.2.x / Pre3 - can someone push this thru?
Nov 13 16:08:59 <dwc-> let me know how I can help
Nov 13 18:16:51 <ka6sox> rwatkins, what does it do?
Nov 13 20:38:52 <dkirker1> sconix: ping
Nov 13 20:38:59 <sconix> dkirker1: yep
Nov 13 20:39:46 <dkirker1> Hey! So... I am running into some issues actually installing HomeControl. I removed your alpha version from my Pre3, but it seems to have become a ghost, because Preware does not actually want to remove it, or run it.
Nov 13 20:39:51 <dkirker1> If that makes sense.
Nov 13 20:41:56 <dkirker1> Well.. Maybe it does work.. But uninstall through Preware seems to not work well
Nov 13 20:42:32 <sconix> hmm actually it seems that I forgot to update one thing, let me see maybe its the packagin
Nov 13 20:45:34 <dkirker1> Ah! Ok. I was hoping that since Boxee Box is based on XBMC that I could use the Boxee Box control for XBMC...
Nov 13 20:46:23 <sconix> ok I am pushing 0.5.1 out now
Nov 13 20:47:11 <sconix> should show up soon
Nov 13 20:47:35 <sconix> and yes it should work for XBMC as well I think, let me know so I can add it as an viable option
Nov 13 20:48:24 <dkirker1> Ok. Great!
Nov 13 20:48:41 <dkirker1> It said "Error" when trying to connect to my XBMC box (the port is open in the firewall)
Nov 13 20:51:01 <dkirker1> oh! I bet it is because the system needs a user name and password
Nov 13 20:51:05 <dkirker1> let me try without that
Nov 13 20:51:57 <sconix> you should be able to embed the username/passwd into the server address Ithink
Nov 13 20:52:06 <sconix> it should be just user:pass@address:port I think
Nov 13 20:52:54 <dkirker1> ah, ok
Nov 13 20:53:05 <dkirker1> I removed the user name and password from the system and it worked
Nov 13 20:53:16 <dkirker1> I'll try embedding into the address box, too
Nov 13 20:54:03 <wrea> Makes me wish I had a xbmc box
Nov 13 20:54:43 <sconix> dkirker1: the boxee support was quickly added today so for example the keyboard most likely wont work for all characters etc. but at least basic stuff should work
Nov 13 20:55:38 <sconix> actually have had only 2-3 days to work on the app so everything is still very early phases but hopefully during next week it will get into much better shape :)
Nov 13 20:57:29 <dkirker1> both work!
Nov 13 20:57:43 <dkirker1> it is nice so far!
Nov 13 20:57:45 <sconix> ok good to know
Nov 13 20:57:48 <dkirker1> Let me know what coding work I can do to help :)
Nov 13 20:58:02 <sconix> well with anything you want :)
Nov 13 21:00:31 <sconix> I don't have xbmc/boxee with myself so at least if you want to finish that, i.e. check the keyboard stuff and what chars need to be changed when sending to the box
Nov 13 21:00:49 <sconix> I only had boxee for a moment so that I had time to make the basic support and test it
Nov 13 21:01:27 <rwatkins> ka6sox: its a tweak that allows a bunch of different sharing options from the browser.
Nov 13 21:01:41 <rwatkins> I didnt port it, I just fixed it to apply cleanly on the Pre3.
Nov 13 21:01:55 <astruasdh> please, how can I write an application to change how the webos2.1.2 (veer) matches the incoming calls against the contact list?
Nov 13 21:02:03 <panel> hello
Nov 13 21:04:52 <dkirker1> sconix: Alright! You have my email address. If there is a git repo somewhere, that might make things easy for me helping. Worst case, I can modify the source and repackage and emil to you.
Nov 13 21:05:39 <astruasdh> ow at least, at regional settings, how can I add a new country to the phone number format?
Nov 13 21:06:51 <sconix> astruasdh: I have done it in my patch
Nov 13 21:08:44 <sconix> astruasdh: chekc the better finnish support patch, its released at least for 2.1.0
Nov 13 21:09:06 <astruasdh> sconix: awesome! I am with a big trouble in my hp veer regarding this. I need this phone in the contact list in order to make calls for it (0411187654321)... but the incomming call appear as "87654321" or "1187654321". I need to match the incomming number with only the last numbers, not the whole contacts number
Nov 13 21:09:41 <astruasdh> sconix: what should I do?
Nov 13 21:11:01 <sconix> I haven't changed the matching, only added Finlands country number into the supported list so I can select it in the country preferences
Nov 13 21:11:03 <astruasdh> sconix: or add another phone number format and consider only the last 8 digits
Nov 13 21:11:48 <sconix> so can't say directly how to modify that, but adding countries into the list is easy
Nov 13 21:11:50 <astruasdh> sconix: it would solve my problem... I could modify your patch to adapt for my needs... is it possible to change your patch to consider only the last 8 digits?
Nov 13 21:12:10 <astruasdh> sconix: awesome!!! can you give me a link for me to add Brazil?
Nov 13 21:12:50 <sconix> you cna get teh ipk of the patch and unpack it to see the patch: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.1.0/org.webosinternals.patches.mojo-better-finnish-support_2.1.0-163_all.ipk
Nov 13 21:13:14 <astruasdh> is it a targz?
Nov 13 21:13:33 <sconix> its a ar package, so ar -x will unpack it in linux at least
Nov 13 21:13:53 <astruasdh> thanks
Nov 13 21:13:54 <astruasdh> =)
Nov 13 21:30:37 <astruasdh> sconix: I am reading your patch... is it possible for me to get the tile with regional settings of my phone?
Nov 13 21:30:46 <astruasdh> sconix: s/tile/file
Nov 13 21:31:11 <sconix> yes, you see from the patch what is the files path you need to modify then you can retrieve it with novacom for example
Nov 13 21:31:19 <sconix> and keep the original copy as a backup
Nov 13 21:31:44 <astruasdh> awesome! so novacom is a tool for me to retrieve files?
Nov 13 21:33:42 <astruasdh> sconix: is it possible for me to open a shell in my phone?
Nov 13 21:34:02 <astruasdh> and change there all files I want?
Nov 13 21:34:11 <sconix> well the novacom/novaterm will allow that as well
Nov 13 21:34:24 <astruasdh> sconix: is novacom an app?
Nov 13 21:34:35 <astruasdh> sconix: or a software to install in my laptop?
Nov 13 21:34:40 <sconix> it comes with the sdk, at least for windows I think its packet with the sdk, see google to be sure
Nov 13 21:35:00 <astruasdh> thanks!
Nov 13 21:35:01 <sconix> in linux you can install just the novacom package that is also available where the SDK is
Nov 13 21:35:41 <astruasdh> sconix: I have 2.1.2 webos... do I need this same sdk version, dont i?
Nov 13 21:35:58 <sconix> but you want to have that anyway so you can access the terminal over the USB if you manage to modify some system file so that the Luna wont start anymore so you can get the original file there over novacom :)
Nov 13 21:36:30 <sconix> astruasdh: well for novaterm it would not need to be exact match but sure you want to take the version you have
Nov 13 21:36:47 <astruasdh> sconix: awesome! thanks!
Nov 13 21:37:10 <astruasdh> sconix: one more thing... sorry to anoy you. where is the sdk website? I found th sdk only for 3.x
Nov 13 21:37:30 <rwhitby> developer.palm.com
Nov 13 21:38:33 <astruasdh> ty
Nov 13 21:44:11 <astruasdh> novacom is only available fot 3.0... is it ok for me to use it with my 2.1.2 webos?
Nov 13 21:48:03 <sconix> yes
Nov 13 21:48:48 <astruasdh> one more question, I promise hehe. is it wise to update my os to 2.2.3, 3.0 or something? if so, does my veer will get slow?
Nov 13 21:48:53 <sconix> as said, for linux its a separated package but for windows I think its bundled in the SDK package, but might be wrong don't know about windows stuff that much
Nov 13 21:49:06 <sconix> astruasdh: you can't
Nov 13 21:49:20 <astruasdh> hmmm 2.1.2 is the newer I can run?
Nov 13 21:49:24 <rwhitby> astruasdh: no, it is not wise to installed unreleased or warez software on your device
Nov 13 21:49:25 <sconix> at the moment yes
Nov 13 21:49:39 <rwhitby> veer is 2.1.2 released max
Nov 13 21:49:50 <astruasdh> got it. I found a generic novacom:palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/novacom/novacom-linux-32.tgz
Nov 13 21:50:03 <astruasdh> is this version the correct one for me?
Nov 13 21:51:12 <sconix> I ahve always used the deb package from the developer.palm.com - sdk - linux
Nov 13 21:52:15 <rwhitby> opensource.palm.com has the latest
Nov 13 21:52:56 <astruasdh> thanks guys! =) I installed the pam-novacom-1.0.76-i386.deb
Nov 13 21:53:25 <astruasdh> Now I am following the tips http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accessing_Linux_Using_Novaterm to use it. is it the correct tutorial?
Nov 13 21:55:51 <sconix> yes, well all you need is to run the novaterm to gain the terminal access, and novaterm put/get commands to handle file transfers, see novaterm --herlp
Nov 13 21:56:27 <astruasdh> sconix: but for novaterm to access my veer, all I need is to connect it to the pc?
Nov 13 21:56:37 <astruasdh> or an special mode is requires, such as dev mode?
Nov 13 21:56:43 <sconix> dev mode is needed yes
Nov 13 21:56:51 <astruasdh> how to enter in this mode?
Nov 13 21:59:17 <astruasdh> #*DEVMODE#  at the keypad?
Nov 13 21:59:59 <sconix> can't remember those on top of my head, the wosi wiki has all the info so google is your friend :)
Nov 13 22:00:36 <astruasdh> yeah, it worked: #*DEVMODE#
Nov 13 22:07:34 <astruasdh> failed to connect to server. my veer is in dev mode and is plugged in the usb. how to specify my device to novaterm?
Nov 13 22:09:11 <sconix> should be no need to define, it automatically connect to lastly connected device
Nov 13 22:11:14 <astruasdh> sconix: hmmm maybe some kernel module needed... such as usbserial.. ?
Nov 13 22:12:26 <sconix> astruasdh: afaik no, just the palm-novacom installed which should start the novacomd on the computer and dev mode on the phone and restart after that, then connect with usb cable and novaterm
Nov 13 22:12:30 <sconix> should be all that is needed
Nov 13 22:13:43 <astruasdh> my phone is in the dev mode... I will reboot my phone now
Nov 13 22:14:38 <rwhitby> astruasdh: are you following any new webOS user guides on PreCentral.net ?
Nov 13 22:15:00 <astruasdh> no... just installed palm-novacom, put my phone in dev mode, and rebooted
Nov 13 22:16:56 <astruasdh> =)
Nov 13 22:17:02 <astruasdh> worked
Nov 13 22:17:09 <astruasdh> I needed to start novacomd manually
Nov 13 22:25:48 <astruasdh> sconix: to add a new phone format for brazil, is just a matter of adding /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/31 .json files?
Nov 13 22:27:39 <sconix> hmm not adding, modifying, see the .patch file in the ipk package what files it modifies and how
Nov 13 22:28:17 <astruasdh> I meant add because there is no Brazil support for phone numbers, only for currency and date formats
Nov 13 22:28:35 <sconix> well yes adding stuff into the files, but not adding files :)
Nov 13 22:28:55 <astruasdh> hmmm got it... I did not find any br locale at such dir
Nov 13 22:29:03 <astruasdh> but I will study your patch, thanks
Nov 13 22:29:16 <sconix> its just couple lines that needs to be added into those files
Nov 13 22:29:41 <sconix> just so that it knows what country settings to show in the list, the numbers are already there for all the countries etc.
Nov 13 22:30:18 <astruasdh> I will download all files your patch uses and study them
Nov 13 22:37:02 <astruasdh> sconix: got it, you changes globalization.phone and added fi support
Nov 13 22:37:19 <astruasdh> and then added also in concatenation
Nov 13 22:37:39 <sconix> yep, not sure if that is needed or not, since I don't know when those concatenated files are used
Nov 13 22:37:53 <sconix> but its better to patch both
Nov 13 22:40:39 <astruasdh> sure... then you added also to format_phonenumber. I dont need to change char table... only adding the phone format. can I do no changes in alternate_fulltable file?
Nov 13 22:51:46 <astruasdh> sconix: finished studying your path. you did not added the finnish phone formar, only changed the date and stuff... but added fi at the phone formats. where the phone definitions of fi will be looked for?
Nov 13 22:52:59 <astruasdh> I found some phone definitions at /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/31/formats .... but there is no br, and neither does fi, there. do I need to create?
Nov 13 22:58:25 <sconix> I don't remember where the definitions are but I do remember that there was lot there, so I don't think you need to create that, just add the br in to that list and I am pretty sure it will show the correct number
Nov 13 22:59:27 <astruasdh> sconix: thanks :)
Nov 13 23:08:39 <wrea> sconix, I havent gotten rtp via pulse working either. I must be doing something wrong
Nov 13 23:11:30 <sconix> wrea: yeah, I could not get it as well, not even on my desktop :)
Nov 13 23:11:49 <sconix> but I really only tried it on one day so can't say anything sure
Nov 13 23:12:18 <wrea> Same here. I'll probably get hewball to try also
Nov 13 23:12:57 <astruasdh> sconix: I will modify us phone number and see if it works for me... if so, I will patch the whole system to brazil
Nov 13 23:14:13 <wrea> Still waiting for Trent to look at the segfault I'm running into
Nov 13 23:14:39 <wrea> I got one before where the problem was a line in avahi-daemon.conf causing it
Nov 13 23:19:31 <sconix> wrea: ok, let me know if you get it to work, would like to test myself as well
Nov 13 23:21:22 <wrea> Will do. I've got to be missing something. I've got nothing else to do, so I think I'll try again now
Nov 13 23:21:49 <wrea> sconix, were you trying the instructions on pulseaudio.org?
Nov 13 23:26:26 <sconix> wrea: don't remember where I looked at them, actually might not tried that obvious place ;)
Nov 13 23:27:53 <astruasdh> sconix: I a getting "unable to open file" when trying to put something: novaterm put file://path/to/destination/file < local_file_to_overwrite
Nov 13 23:28:07 <astruasdh> what is wrong?
Nov 13 23:34:00 <astruasdh> the fs is read-only
Nov 13 23:34:10 <sconix> yes you need to mount it rw
Nov 13 23:34:18 <sconix> mount -o remount,rw /
Nov 13 23:36:04 <wrea> probably will need the loopback module if you want the sound to play locally and through rtp, i think
Nov 13 23:36:47 <astruasdh> worked like a charm
Nov 13 23:37:09 <astruasdh> all i need now is to put many chars as area code and keep the phone number as 8 digits length
Nov 13 23:37:28 <astruasdh> if I write a brazilian patch, can I submit it to somewhere for other users to install?
Nov 13 23:38:29 <BuckleMyShoe> Hello Folks :-)
Nov 13 23:41:13 <sconix> astruasdh: sure see google and submitting webos patches :)
Nov 13 23:45:11 <astruasdh> one more thing regarding names... what is vsc, cic and service code? I can modify them, but wanted to know the meaning
Nov 13 23:51:35 <BuckleMyShoe> .
Nov 13 23:53:33 <BuckleMyShoe> folks does anyone know if it is possible in anyway to overclock beyond 1.512MHZ with the Governor
Nov 13 23:54:37 <BuckleMyShoe> or do you have any custom tweeks that you Find useful?
Nov 13 23:56:28 <BuckleMyShoe> If this is the wrong room for asking such a question then I'm sorry
Nov 13 23:56:53 <BuckleMyShoe> could some kind person point me in the wright direction please
Nov 13 23:58:05 <rwhitby> BuckleMyShoe: there is an UberKernel thread in the WebOS Internals forum on PreCentral
Nov 13 23:58:35 <BuckleMyShoe> thanks rwhitby
Nov 13 23:59:15 <BuckleMyShoe> I will head there cheers
Nov 14 00:40:13 <astruasdh> how can I read the documentation about the globalization framework? I did not understand the us.states.json file
Nov 14 00:49:46 <rwhitby> astruasdh: there is none
Nov 14 00:50:25 <astruasdh> rwhitby: ow :( I am screwed... who can help me with that? maybe some email for me to send or something...
Nov 14 00:50:40 <rwhitby> no-one has decoded it
Nov 14 00:53:52 <astruasdh> rwhitby: I noticed that, for the area code to work, it is needed the .areas.json... but it is simply. But without the .states file it does not work. Is there another filed that I can use as a prefix that does not need .areas.json nor .staes.json?
Nov 14 00:54:10 <rwhitby> no idea
Nov 14 00:54:22 <astruasdh> thanks
Nov 14 00:54:35 <rwhitby> that area is a black hole
Nov 14 00:55:48 <astruasdh> I am almost there... all I need is to use a 5 digits prefix instead of the 3 one used by us locale... but it will not be that simple
Nov 14 00:57:11 <astruasdh> I will try use cic or service code instead of the area code... this workaround would save me
Nov 14 01:01:58 <ka6sox> rwatkins, unfortunately I am not a admin for the patch portal (well I am but I have no clue as to how to run it :D )
Nov 14 01:22:21 <astruasdh> rwhitby: trying now with a dummy array [-1,-1,-1,-1......-1]
Nov 14 01:23:46 <astruasdh> working, I will generate a file for brazil with dummy values and my problem is solved
Nov 14 01:34:12 <astruasdh> haha wtf... I removed (201) and it keeps accepting
Nov 14 02:35:52 <rwatkins> ka6sox: ok thanks.  guess I'll just wait a few days and see.  not really clear who to followup with.
Nov 14 02:45:30 <EricBlade-TP> hi ev1
Nov 14 02:54:33 <rwhitby> rwatkins: that would be me in general
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