**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 15 02:59:57 2011
Nov 15 03:09:44 <astruasdh> please, what is the function that matches the incomming number with a contact in contact list?
Nov 15 03:29:54 <EricBlade> preware list is not working :(
Nov 15 03:30:54 <rwhitby> what's not working?
Nov 15 03:44:38 <EricBlade> i'm only getting about 20 things available
Nov 15 03:50:36 <rwhitby> 717 here (touchpad)
Nov 15 03:54:08 <EricBlade> now it's working
Nov 15 03:54:12 <EricBlade> must've been a temp burp
Nov 15 03:57:33 <rwhitby> usually it's cause your device doesn't have a network connection for some reason, so the feeds don't get loaded.
Nov 15 03:58:42 <EricBlade> it was weird though, it was showing me 20
Nov 15 03:59:03 <rwhitby> ones you have installed already?
Nov 15 04:07:46 <EricBlade> it was showing 20 that i hadn't installed, and 200+ that i did
Nov 15 04:08:26 <astruasdh> rwhitby: please, could you give me some tip to find the function that matches incoming call numbers against the contact list?
Nov 15 04:09:06 <astruasdh> there are many functions to see, and each modification requires a reboot
Nov 15 04:10:31 <rwhitby> astruasdh: no idea. you are the first to look at this code.
Nov 15 04:11:10 <astruasdh> rwhitby: I found many things... I can change the phone that appeats in the incoming call, but did not find the function that makes the correlation
Nov 15 04:11:35 <astruasdh> I am almost there, but have to work hehe... and I will not sleep until I solve this
Nov 15 04:14:01 <astruasdh> I am searching files for database access commands
Nov 15 04:15:39 <ziplock503>  my pre plus wont sync text messages with my TP and its running 3.0.4 wtf is up
Nov 15 04:16:33 <EricBlade> i don't believe the pre plus has that ability
Nov 15 04:17:26 <ziplock503> hmm i though with 3.0.4 update it was to all blutooth phones .... unless the pre+ buletooth profile is older
Nov 15 04:17:47 <EricBlade> my pre+ pairs for telephone, but it doesn't support map for text
Nov 15 04:18:00 <EricBlade> at least, i think it pairs for telephone, i haven't got service on it to check relaly
Nov 15 04:18:19 <ziplock503> but the pre2 does right?
Nov 15 04:18:54 <ziplock503> i can make phone calls
Nov 15 04:19:04 <ziplock503> poopy lol
Nov 15 04:48:42 <astruasdh> haha now my phone is in an infinite loop to power on
Nov 15 04:49:35 <astruasdh> what can I do?
Nov 15 04:50:00 <EricBlade> develop a close personal relationship with webOS Doctor
Nov 15 04:50:35 <astruasdh> but the phone do not power on! hehe
Nov 15 04:51:12 <astruasdh> my change was not so bad... only 1  variable
Nov 15 04:51:38 <EricBlade> my first reaction would be to pull the battery, replace the battery, hold down power and volume up
Nov 15 04:51:52 <EricBlade> i have no idea what you did, though, so maybe you can recover from it
Nov 15 04:53:18 <astruasdh> haha help me!
Nov 15 04:53:22 <astruasdh> I removed the sim card
Nov 15 04:53:28 <astruasdh> I have an hp veer, the battery is inside
Nov 15 04:54:39 <astruasdh> shit... maybe I forgot to close some " or something
Nov 15 04:55:36 <astruasdh> webos doctor can help me... but the phone is looping! hp symbol, at&t symbol, hp symbol, at&t symbol....
Nov 15 04:56:07 <nburn> volume up while it's powering on then webos doctor..
Nov 15 04:57:12 <astruasdh> I am pressing volume up and nothing happens... it will only work with webos doctor?
Nov 15 04:57:53 <nburn> if you just keep holding volume up during the "reboot cycle" you'll eventually get into recovery mode
Nov 15 04:58:08 <astruasdh> hmmm not working
Nov 15 04:58:17 <nburn> it will, you're doing it wrong
Nov 15 04:58:32 <astruasdh> i am pressing volume up
Nov 15 04:58:34 <nburn> it might take a couple minutes since the boot time is SLOW
Nov 15 04:58:47 <nburn> hold it down until you know it has rebooted
Nov 15 04:58:54 <astruasdh> it is looping... hp screen, at&t screen
Nov 15 04:59:02 <rwhitby> astruasdh: read the recovery wiki page
Nov 15 04:59:04 <nburn> if that doesn't work pull the battery and put it back it. the power it on while holding volume up.
Nov 15 04:59:08 <astruasdh> it is rebooting due to my code mistake
Nov 15 04:59:21 <astruasdh> thanks
Nov 15 04:59:28 <astruasdh> how can I remove the battery? where is the battery?
Nov 15 04:59:31 <astruasdh> hp veer
Nov 15 04:59:43 <rwhitby> nburn: it's a veer. battery removal is possible, but not for the normal end user.
Nov 15 05:00:07 <rwhitby> you don't need to remove the battery to get it into recovery mode. just read the wiki page.
Nov 15 05:00:13 <nburn> rwhitby : ah
Nov 15 05:00:40 <nburn> rwhitby: you gonna approve custom browser gestures for me? :)
Nov 15 05:00:45 <nburn> pls?
Nov 15 05:01:26 <rwhitby> when I do the next batch
Nov 15 05:01:55 <astruasdh> I am screwed
Nov 15 05:02:01 <astruasdh> the phone is rebooting forever
Nov 15 05:02:18 <astruasdh> it does not stop: holding power button, volume up, both
Nov 15 05:02:24 <astruasdh> removed the sim card
Nov 15 05:02:56 <astruasdh> i will wait for the battery to end hehe
Nov 15 05:04:36 <astruasdh> only a mojo modifiction... but a simple one: replacing a variable by a string with a phone
Nov 15 05:04:55 <astruasdh> maybe I forgot to close " or to put and ;
Nov 15 05:05:09 <astruasdh> but hell, it was at the contact area!
Nov 15 05:07:26 <astruasdh> could access through novaterm for a while and shutdown -h now
Nov 15 05:07:59 <nburn> yea there must be a way..
Nov 15 05:08:02 <nburn> you'll get it .
Nov 15 05:08:12 <astruasdh> now I can enter in the recovery mode
Nov 15 05:08:25 <astruasdh> and pray for the webos doctor to save me hehe
Nov 15 05:08:40 <nburn> maybe you get into novaterm and quickly fix your mistake?
Nov 15 05:08:57 <nburn> the doctor will definitely fxi it, maybe you can fix it without doctoring tho
Nov 15 05:08:59 <astruasdh> I has a small time frame to use novaterm and shutdown -h now
Nov 15 05:09:03 <astruasdh> yeah
Nov 15 05:09:07 <astruasdh> I have the backup
Nov 15 05:09:08 <astruasdh> good idea
Nov 15 05:09:40 <DougReeder> A little off topic, but would anyone care to be a Skype buddy and help me test video calling on my Pre3?
Nov 15 05:09:58 <nburn> do you have tits? are you hot?
Nov 15 05:10:06 <DougReeder> Sorry, no, and no.
Nov 15 05:10:14 <nburn> not interested then, sorry
Nov 15 05:10:36 <nburn> hehe jk
Nov 15 05:10:48 <dtzWill> pre3 does video calling? haha
Nov 15 05:10:53 <dtzWill> with its rear camera?
Nov 15 05:11:03 <nburn> it has a front facing camera
Nov 15 05:11:03 <DougReeder> It has a front camera.
Nov 15 05:11:09 <dtzWill> !!!
Nov 15 05:11:10 <dtzWill> LOL
Nov 15 05:11:10 <DougReeder> ... too.
Nov 15 05:11:11 <dtzWill> wow cool
Nov 15 05:11:17 <dtzWill> i'm holding mine in my hand rtfn
Nov 15 05:11:19 <dtzWill> well put down to type
Nov 15 05:11:19 <dtzWill> but
Nov 15 05:11:23 <dtzWill> well i feel silly >_>
Nov 15 05:12:08 <nburn> I care so much about my front facing camera, i put a screen protector over it .
Nov 15 05:12:44 <DougReeder> Heh.
Nov 15 05:13:09 <dtzWill> DougReeder: what i do is just call myself, but requires two accounts :)
Nov 15 05:13:36 <DougReeder> Yeah, I may need to set up a second account.
Nov 15 05:13:36 <astruasdh> rwhitby: probably I found the correct place... modified something and the called identification stopped working
Nov 15 05:15:19 <dtzWill> hmm, well doesn't seem to wokr for me :(
Nov 15 05:16:37 <dtzWill> so video seems to always be flaky
Nov 15 05:16:48 <dtzWill> does anyone use the voice part with any kind of success?
Nov 15 05:20:38 <DougReeder> I'm not sure I ever used Skype to make audio calls.
Nov 15 05:20:50 <DougReeder> Video calls, computer to computer worked well enough.
Nov 15 05:21:00 <astruasdh> saved without web os doctor
Nov 15 05:21:05 <astruasdh> thank you guys!
Nov 15 05:21:45 <nburn> nice - good job
Nov 15 05:23:50 <astruasdh> yeeaahhhhh found the right place uhuuullll
Nov 15 05:25:36 <astruasdh> if someone wanna play with contactd recognizing, /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmcontactsVersion1_0.js at line 343 more or less
Nov 15 05:26:26 <astruasdh> sorry, 434
Nov 15 05:26:41 <DougReeder> "contactd recognizing"?
Nov 15 05:26:56 <astruasdh> sorry, i am tired...2  days working on this
Nov 15 05:27:11 <astruasdh> when you receivwe a call, this code area matches the number against your contact list
Nov 15 05:27:47 <DougReeder> Ah!
Nov 15 05:28:16 <astruasdh> I am using "other" phone number format, and now I can do the magic for the brazilian schema to work
Nov 15 05:42:29 * DougReeder yawning "Ah, well, video testing will have to wait till I have someone to call. Goodnight, all!"
Nov 15 05:59:21 <eliasp> I'm using the "IAmA Reddit" paid app and now the "IAmA reddit Conversion" app shows up as update all the time in Preware... when removing it, the paid app is also removed. Does anyone know how to fix this?
Nov 15 06:00:01 <rwhitby> eliasp: do they have the same appid?
Nov 15 06:00:28 <eliasp> rwhitby: how do I get the ID of a catalog app?
Nov 15 06:00:47 <eliasp> the conversion has com.tehtorq.reddit
Nov 15 06:03:31 <rwhitby> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.tehtorq.reddit&applicationid=10842
Nov 15 06:03:36 <rwhitby> same app id.
Nov 15 06:03:46 <rwhitby> tell the author to use a different appid for the homebrew version.
Nov 15 06:04:12 <eliasp> rwhitby: this means, the developer has to fix it, it is no Preware issue..  thank you
Nov 15 06:04:19 <rwhitby> correct.
Nov 15 06:07:55 <astruasdh> using the database, the where clause has the % op. This means to find a string tha starts with the value I pass, is it correct?
Nov 15 06:25:38 <bhuey> folks
Nov 15 07:21:48 <hape> ka6sox: I enabels the ssl support in the Makefie. Now vpnc is not depanded on libgnutls anymore
Nov 15 07:44:08 <astruasdh> phone app is patched. Now I need to patch the messaging app
Nov 15 07:46:48 <moo> astruasdh: what are you doing?
Nov 15 07:47:16 <astruasdh> I changed how the incoming call's phone number is matched against contact list
Nov 15 07:47:25 <moo> and why?
Nov 15 07:47:42 <astruasdh> I am in Brazil and there is no native support for phones here
Nov 15 07:47:54 <astruasdh> in my contact list, i need 0411198765432
Nov 15 07:48:12 <astruasdh> when I receive a call from this phone, it appears 01198765432
Nov 15 07:48:20 <astruasdh> so I patched it and it is working
Nov 15 07:48:39 <moo> you may fill in informations for your area, by putting json files there
Nov 15 07:49:00 <astruasdh> now, when I receive a sms, the notification matches perfect against the contact... but in the messaging application, the 011... appears instead of the 04111...
Nov 15 07:49:09 <moo> i'm not familar with this processing though
Nov 15 07:49:24 <astruasdh> moo: I tried it but it is not easy... there is a .states.json that screws everything
Nov 15 07:50:32 <astruasdh> and some locales are harcoded somewhere
Nov 15 07:50:52 <astruasdh> I found the code area in which the match occurs, and I patched the phone there
Nov 15 07:51:18 <astruasdh> not the most beautiful solution... actually it is an ugly hack, but it works
Nov 15 07:52:01 <ka6sox> astruasdh, sometimes that is your *only*option
Nov 15 07:52:34 <astruasdh> hmmm yes
Nov 15 07:53:41 <astruasdh> but it was nice... I learned a lot the calling schema... now I can do may nice things
Nov 15 07:54:23 <moo> in my case, 0086 123 12345678, 123 12345678, 12345678 match each other. but i want them to include 12520 123 12345678. (12520 is a SP code). do you have any suggestion where should i look into?
Nov 15 07:55:27 <astruasdh> hmmm
Nov 15 07:56:10 <astruasdh> you can customize the format numbers at
Nov 15 07:56:51 <astruasdh> at /usr/palm/frameworks/globalization/submission/31/formats
Nov 15 07:57:23 <astruasdh> in this directory there are the phone formats specification
Nov 15 07:57:35 <astruasdh> read the .json of your country
Nov 15 07:58:11 <astruasdh> in my case it did not work
Nov 15 07:59:00 <astruasdh> if you want to patch directly the incoming phone number before it goes to the phone application, this code is at /usr/palm/frameworks/mojo/builtins/palmcontactsVersion1_0.js at line 434
Nov 15 07:59:21 <panel> hello
Nov 15 08:00:14 <astruasdh> moo: if there is support for you country at phone formats, probably you will succeed in changing the .json files at .../formats
Nov 15 08:01:23 <moo> thanks
Nov 15 08:01:53 <astruasdh> hope this helps you also.... it took 2 days to find this code area to patch the incoming phone number hehe
Nov 15 08:02:56 <moo> builtins/*contact* is from framework/contact/*.js, which is compressed from framework/contact/*/conca*.js which is concat'ed from framework/contact/*/* (see manifest)
Nov 15 08:04:46 <moo> astruasdh: you may move the palmcontactsVersion1_0.js out of builtins directory. and rename conca*.js to something else. then you can update the *.js directly, without restarting LunaSysMgr
Nov 15 08:04:53 <astruasdh> I have webos for only 2 days... what does it mena? that it is possible to change other files than palmcontactsVersion1_0.js?
Nov 15 08:05:15 <astruasdh> hmmm interesting
Nov 15 08:05:35 <astruasdh> oh... wait
Nov 15 08:05:51 <astruasdh> LunaSysMgr is the service needed to restart? I was rebooting the mobile for my tests haha
Nov 15 08:05:54 <astruasdh> I love you
Nov 15 08:05:59 <moo> but make sure you close all window, including the hidden window, for that specified app you want to debug
Nov 15 08:06:22 <astruasdh> I rebooted my veer I think 10 million times
Nov 15 08:06:55 <moo> yep, pkill LunaSysMgr, if you want simple solution. but it's only a little bit faster than a clean restart
Nov 15 08:07:10 <astruasdh> hmmm
Nov 15 08:09:57 <astruasdh> this was the funniest phone I ever bought.. I can change all its code!
Nov 15 08:17:27 <astruasdh> moo: if I change /usr/palm/frameworks/messaging.library/submission/... scripts, does it work? or will I need to find the "builtins-related" as I did with the contacts?
Nov 15 08:21:57 <astruasdh> rwhitby: worked!
Nov 15 08:34:16 <moo> astruasdh: mojo will load builtins/*, if it's available for this framework, frameworks/* is not used
Nov 15 08:34:38 <moo> otherwise, it look for framework/$NAME/submission/*/conca*.js
Nov 15 08:34:55 <moo> then framework/$NAME/submission/*/manifest.json
Nov 15 08:36:24 <astruasdh> hmmm so, for messaging.library, I need to change framework/messaging.library/submission/1.3/concat.js ?
Nov 15 08:44:49 <moo> yep. but conca*.js is preloaded and persistent. Luna restart is required
Nov 15 08:45:03 <moo> why not just remove/rename conca*.js and see if *.js works
Nov 15 08:45:03 <moo> :P
Nov 15 08:48:14 <astruasdh> hmmm got it!
Nov 15 08:48:42 <astruasdh> if I remove the conca* and the framework is not builtin, the javascript/* will be used!
Nov 15 08:48:43 <astruasdh> thanks! =)
Nov 15 08:55:22 <astruasdh> i am going to sleep now... thanks moo
Nov 15 09:03:30 <moo> hope someone understand the *.states.json, the state table
Nov 15 14:12:43 <grep_awesome> grep_a|away
Nov 15 14:47:25 <omastudios> Is there anything other than the Max/MinWebOSVersion attributes that would cause apps from a feed to display on a 1.x/2.x phone, but not on a TouchPad? (or vice versa)
Nov 15 17:34:52 <Nick> h ithere
Nov 15 17:35:18 <Nick> anybody here???
Nov 15 17:36:10 <Nick> could someone please help me? got a problem with an advanced patch
Nov 15 17:37:07 <Nick> please?
Nov 15 17:38:55 <Nick> test
Nov 15 17:39:26 <Nick> whats up with you guys?
Nov 15 23:05:55 <Lapunzada> hey
Nov 15 23:06:22 <Lapunzada> anyone there?
Nov 15 23:06:57 <Lapunzada> ?
Nov 15 23:07:05 <rwhitby> ~ask
Nov 15 23:07:05 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Nov 15 23:08:27 <Lapunzada> im thinking about getting the hp touchpad, whats the down sides to the device?
Nov 15 23:09:57 <Lapunzada> ?
Nov 15 23:10:25 <rwhitby> if you need to ask that question, you should not buy it.
Nov 15 23:10:44 <klausa> :D
Nov 15 23:10:48 <rwhitby> it is a discontinued product. unless you know why you want it, you don't want it.
Nov 15 23:12:38 <Lapunzada> well i'm a big fan of webOS, but is preware really coming out with new things
Nov 15 23:12:41 <Lapunzada> ?
Nov 15 23:13:46 <rwhitby> Look in the "List of Everything" to see the new things in Preware.
Nov 15 23:30:27 <grep_awesome> hey, tar ships standard on the touchpad right? I can't remember if I added it or if I can depend on it being there
Nov 15 23:30:54 <linuxjacques> I'm pretty sure it's on there and used by palm's upgrade tools
Nov 15 23:32:19 <grep_awesome> linuxjacques: thnx, it's about to be used by my backup tools
Nov 16 00:55:36 <dvoss> Hi.  Question - I see 3.0.4 fixed the PEAP MSCHAPv2 wifi issue with the TouchPad.  Does anyone know if there is/will be a patch for the Pre 3 to fix that wifi auth problem?
Nov 16 02:00:44 <astruasdh> please, if a framework is not in builtins, what is the file used by webos? the .js at javascript/, the concat.., or the <version number>name.js ?
Nov 16 02:04:51 <Freman> I just dropped jquery into source/
Nov 16 02:05:09 <Freman> (example)
Nov 16 02:05:55 <astruasdh> rwhitby: yesterday I could find and change the code. thanks!
Nov 16 02:08:09 <Lapunzada> hp said that there was going to be something special done for the users of version 1.4.5 because they could not update the software to the 2.0 update, what was that special thing that they did?
Nov 16 02:08:29 <summatusmentis> when did they say this?
Nov 16 02:09:41 <Lapunzada> when webOS came out with the 2.0 update and told users using 1.4.5 that they could no long update the smartphones because of different hardware designs
Nov 16 02:10:01 <Lapunzada> longer*
Nov 16 02:10:14 <rwhitby> Lapunzada: they did nothing
Nov 16 02:10:42 <summatusmentis> there was speculation that the $50 off a TouchPad (pre-firesale) was their "making it right" but they never said this
Nov 16 02:11:05 <Lapunzada> ok
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