**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 22 02:59:58 2011
Nov 22 03:07:00 <EricBlade1> hmm. i full erase to get to run first-use, and it won't use wifi, if i skip first use, then i can't run first-use after wifi is setup. grr.
Nov 22 03:11:07 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: what device and os version?
Nov 22 03:11:22 <EricBlade1> pre+ att 2.1 meta
Nov 22 03:11:33 <rwhitby> tap the gesture tutorial
Nov 22 03:12:00 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: which instructions are you following?
Nov 22 03:12:28 <EricBlade1> i followed the instructions on webos-internals .. i did try the gesture tutorial, but at the end, it just gave me "Start Over" and "Exit"
Nov 22 03:12:32 <EricBlade1> or some such
Nov 22 03:19:26 <rsat> preware stuck in reading saved package list
Nov 22 03:19:42 <rsat> Any suggestions?
Nov 22 03:20:20 <rwhitby> webOS 3.0.4 bug. uninstall preware, reboot, reinstall preware.
Nov 22 03:20:44 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: URL of instructions you are following
Nov 22 03:20:59 <rsat> thank you
Nov 22 03:21:45 <EricBlade1> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade
Nov 22 03:37:28 <EricBlade1> ok doctored again so i can at least root around in it
Nov 22 03:42:58 <EricBlade1> yeah gesture tutorial runs thru does the tutorial, and then i get Start Again or Quit
Nov 22 03:52:16 <rwhitby> what exact command are you runnning to create the doctor?
Nov 22 04:06:01 <EricBlade1> i used.. umm.. ./scripts/meta-att-preplus-2.1.0
Nov 22 04:06:23 <EricBlade1> should i maybe try this without the sim ..
Nov 22 04:12:28 <rwhitby> Have you made any other edits to the Makefile?
Nov 22 04:13:49 <EricBlade1> bypass first use app, enable developer mode, enable beta feeds
Nov 22 04:14:09 <rwhitby> why do you want to bypass first use?
Nov 22 04:14:23 <EricBlade1> because i don't have service
Nov 22 04:14:31 <rwhitby> will you ever have service?
Nov 22 04:14:39 <EricBlade1> most likely yes
Nov 22 04:14:52 <rwhitby> then install a wifi profile
Nov 22 04:17:21 * EricBlade1 googles around a bit
Nov 22 04:17:41 <rwhitby> read the doco at the top of the Makefile
Nov 22 04:18:19 <rwhitby> INSTALL_WIFI_PROFILES
Nov 22 04:29:52 <dwc-> PatrickC: how is the pre3 your "main phone" if all the calling and texting is on a different device?
Nov 22 04:30:00 <dwc-> what exactly is a phone for again?
Nov 22 04:33:24 <eliasp> wee, can't believe it... finally were able to order a TP now through HP's dev program...
Nov 22 05:02:04 <chpwn> dwc-: Twitter, of course.
Nov 22 05:06:04 <Saij> Anyone feeling chatty tonight?
Nov 22 05:06:15 <Saij> I've got some ideas/questions I'd like to spitball
Nov 22 05:06:29 <rwhitby> webOS Internals ones?
Nov 22 05:06:44 <Saij> Yessir, directly or indirectly
Nov 22 05:06:58 <Saij> some are patch related, some are more about the hardware/kernel
Nov 22 05:08:45 <Saij> For instance, are the speeds on the pre/pixi generation hardware limited to around 3MBPS over WiFi due to the radios themselves, the kernel driver, or the processor of the devices themselves is a bottleneck
Nov 22 05:09:15 * dwc- kicks irrsi
Nov 22 05:09:19 <Saij> just something I've been wondering going back and fort between my pixi+ and my touchpad
Nov 22 05:11:33 <Saij> I suppose the patch ideas can go directly to the precentral patch request forums, but I was hoping I could get a feasibility feedback on them
Nov 22 05:11:41 <Saij> Also, is anyone in need of a GSM Pre2?
Nov 22 05:18:32 <PatrickC> dwc-, i hardly ever call/text. i use my phone for email, twitter, facebook, games, etc.
Nov 22 05:32:45 <Saij> :C
Nov 22 05:32:51 <Saij> i am conversation kryptonite
Nov 22 06:22:09 <moo> where can i download AUPT ?
Nov 22 06:22:39 <moo> maybe i'm too noob to see download link in http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/227163-aupt-auto-update-patch-technology.html http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology
Nov 22 06:23:46 <eliasp> moo: AUPT just refers to the technology used by Preware for patches...
Nov 22 06:24:01 <eliasp> moo: so by installing patches through Preware, you're making use of AUPT
Nov 22 06:25:22 <moo> i want to generate ipk from patch, how to do it?
Nov 22 06:25:52 <moo> the ipk generated and (installed then removed) by WQI is corrupted
Nov 22 06:42:46 <dwc-> that's not a phone, that's your primary phone is a phone, your primary internet device is a phone :p
Nov 22 06:43:42 <moo> Current Tx-Power:32 dBm (1496 mW) <- this is my veer, is it true? it's much more than my wifi ap which is 18dBm
Nov 22 08:11:32 <EricBlade1> ok finally got that pre+ setup again, now i'm getting "we were unable to restore your data. Please wait a few minutes and try again."  but.. i have no data.
Nov 22 08:11:41 <EricBlade1> and it won't let me in :|
Nov 22 08:11:47 <panel> hi
Nov 22 08:13:12 <booto> EricBlade1: when first logging in? I got that a few times in a row after doctoring a touchpad a few days ago... after rebooting once, everything went smoothly
Nov 22 08:13:59 <booto> it gave me a prompt with 'Try Again' or 'Start Over' - the latter did the reboot thing
Nov 22 08:18:22 <EricBlade1> rebooted it, and i'm just getting a spinner now
Nov 22 08:18:38 <EricBlade1> pretty blue sky background though
Nov 22 08:22:17 <EricBlade1> well I suppose with Google adding TouchPad to their Marketplace, I guess that means the masses will have something to do with their devices if all goes south
Nov 22 08:23:29 <EricBlade1> maybe i shouldn't have completely deleted the phone from my profile before trying that upgrade
Nov 22 08:42:48 <dwc-> just try again later
Nov 22 08:44:35 <dwc-> probably nothing you did wrong
Nov 22 08:53:42 <EricBlade1> i redoctored to 1.4.5 and it went right thru, now going back to 2.1 .. if this doesn't do it, though, then the Pre- is going to get tried next ..
Nov 22 09:01:49 <EricBlade1> hmm. the "e" key on this keyboard is unreliable.  crap.
Nov 22 09:03:38 <EricBlade1> no go, not able to get in with 2.1
Nov 22 09:05:36 <EricBlade1> able to get in with a new profile.
Nov 22 09:13:19 <Niharika> hi folks
Nov 22 09:13:25 <Niharika> anybody awake?
Nov 22 09:13:42 <Niharika> just discovered this channel
Nov 22 09:20:25 <booto> EricBlade1: was it the tryagain/startover thing?
Nov 22 09:33:37 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: one trick is to turn off backups to delete the profile contents before using it on another device
Nov 22 10:01:08 <hucksy> rwhitby: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/WebOS-ohne-HP-Survival-Kit-fuer-eine-autarke-WebOS-Zukunft-1382648.html - nice articel about the survival kit on the biggest german IT Newssite
Nov 22 11:23:32 <masterhit> hey Rod, Jason, Janne... You made it in hte headlines of germanys top tech news site ;)
Nov 22 11:23:55 <masterhit> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/WebOS-ohne-HP-Survival-Kit-fuer-eine-autarke-WebOS-Zukunft-1382648.html
Nov 22 11:59:23 <bhuey_> how's webOS in Germany ?
Nov 22 12:07:22 <hucksy> masterhit: already posted it :D
Nov 22 12:08:26 <hucksy> bhuey_: the original pre was successful on o2 germany with spots on tv ect. - but since then..
Nov 22 12:30:03 <masterhit> oops ;)
Nov 22 17:33:23 * EricBlade1 got that pre+ running on 2.1 but only with a new profile, and whenever i change -any- settings in govnah/UK, it freezes up almost instantly :(
Nov 22 17:33:47 <VICODAN> morning EricBlade1
Nov 22 17:34:13 <EricBlade1> and gvoice doesn't work on it :(
Nov 22 17:34:16 <EricBlade1> hi VICODAN
Nov 22 17:35:18 <VICODAN> how's it going
Nov 22 17:35:32 <VICODAN> btw i doctored to 3.0.2 and ota'd to 3.0.4
Nov 22 17:35:38 <VICODAN> battery life is good again
Nov 22 17:37:20 <EricBlade1> good good
Nov 22 17:38:14 <VICODAN> yeah
Nov 22 17:38:26 <VICODAN> i think ill just doctor instead of ota from now on
Nov 22 17:38:37 <VICODAN> cuz i had all the preware stuff on it
Nov 22 17:38:44 <VICODAN> i couldnt update muffle system logging
Nov 22 17:38:54 <VICODAN> when  i ota'd from .2 to .4
Nov 22 17:49:06 <grep_awesome> can anyone see why line 13,14 wouldn't execute if line 9 and 10 execute in this paste? It doesn't make any sense, but I'm sure I missed something obvious http://pastebin.com/dCwykYh7
Nov 22 17:53:20 <EricBlade1> line 9 forces incon.index to be 1 instead of whatever it was in line 8
Nov 22 17:56:19 <grep_awesome> EricBlade1: sorry, also should say that you should assume that 1 is i present in the index_cache
Nov 22 17:56:43 <grep_awesome> but I think I figured it out, some of the items in the index_cache were strings instead of integers
Nov 22 17:57:13 <EricBlade1> i thought indexOf was a string function
Nov 22 17:57:43 <grep_awesome> EricBlade1: it will also work for numeric values
Nov 22 17:58:01 <EricBlade1> \4
Nov 22 17:58:17 <grep_awesome> `arr=[9,8,7,6]; console.log(arr.indexOf(8))` will yield 1
Nov 22 17:58:22 <EricBlade1> oops
Nov 22 17:58:52 <grep_awesome> EricBlade1: thanks though :) you helped me think through it
Nov 22 18:00:56 <EricBlade1> why is it that to open a file in windows with a program that isn't associated with that type, just once, you have to select "Open with->Choose Default Program"
Nov 22 18:02:15 <VICODAN> EricBlade1: just double click the file, pick a program and says "always use this program"
Nov 22 18:02:22 <VICODAN> or
Nov 22 18:02:28 <VICODAN> change the file association.
Nov 22 18:02:43 <EricBlade1> it only does that if the file isn't associated with anything
Nov 22 18:02:59 <EricBlade1> otherwise you have to go to "Choose Default Program" even if you don't want to set it as default
Nov 22 18:03:43 <VICODAN> yup
Nov 22 18:03:48 <VICODAN> so change the file association
Nov 22 18:05:22 <EricBlade1> so with this preplus i need to figure out how to get govnah to not crash it, get the flashlight menu working, and get the gps working.. yay
Nov 22 18:06:07 <VICODAN> good luck with that
Nov 22 18:06:34 <VICODAN> i get to move in to a new apartment today
Nov 22 18:06:47 <EricBlade1> on the pre-, it was a matter of taking off the back cover and pressing down slightly on the flash led, but i don't think that's going to be the case with the pre+, since the flash led actually works, it just says "ERROR" in the menu
Nov 22 18:07:05 <EricBlade1> so i'm thinking perhaps the menu doesn't work on meta-2.1
Nov 22 18:08:42 <EricBlade1> i'm going to have to get a heating/cooling guy out here to fix our furnace and/or thermostat today
Nov 22 18:09:41 <VICODAN> whats wrong with it?
Nov 22 18:11:01 <EricBlade1> it's doesn't turn on/off reliably
Nov 22 18:12:10 <EricBlade1> for the most part it will run for a minute or two, stop, and not restart until i go and shut power off to it completely, though once it does stay running, it won't stop unless i turn the thermostat to off
Nov 22 18:12:54 <VICODAN> ohh
Nov 22 18:12:57 <VICODAN> it's gas isnt it?
Nov 22 18:13:10 <EricBlade1> yea
Nov 22 18:24:31 <VICODAN> i had a similar problem
Nov 22 18:24:39 <VICODAN> took 2 minutes to fix it
Nov 22 18:32:13 <EricBlade1> oh?
Nov 22 18:32:27 <EricBlade1> we had this same problem 2 years ago, and it cost us a $400 replacement module
Nov 22 18:42:23 <EricBlade1> and our car's heater is screwed too.  sigh.  going to be a cold winter heh
Nov 22 18:49:41 <VICODAN> EricBlade1: call a diff company or have them fix it for free this time
Nov 22 18:56:04 <PaNeL> hello
Nov 22 20:35:48 <DThought> good evening everyone. Is it possible to metadoctor a palm pre plus and have webos 1.4.5. running on it afterwards?
Nov 22 20:36:01 <DThought> metadoctor seems to insist on using 2.1.0
Nov 22 20:39:48 <DThought> (okay. I tried and did set VERSION=1.4.5 after the ifeq for preplus... lets see whether this works
Nov 22 21:53:57 <technikfreak> is the cyangon mod working good or just a crappy aplha
Nov 22 21:54:32 <summatusmentis> this isn't the rigt place to ask that
Nov 22 21:58:23 <technikfreak> ok
Nov 22 21:58:35 <technikfreak> but here are the real and fair cracks
Nov 22 21:59:41 <summatusmentis> what?
Nov 22 21:59:48 <dwc-> his touchpad has cracks?
Nov 22 22:01:45 <a427> hello
Nov 22 22:04:21 <summatusmentis> hi
Nov 22 22:04:44 <a427> I would like to know
Nov 22 22:05:13 <a427> how do we proceed to publish an app on preware ?
Nov 22 22:05:34 <oilsworkn> oss?
Nov 22 22:06:41 <a427> yes
Nov 22 22:07:22 <oilsworkn> talk to rwhitby when the sun is up in australia
Nov 22 22:07:55 <a427> are ther any non-oss apps in preware btw ?
Nov 22 22:10:27 <dwc-> preware is an app
Nov 22 22:10:39 <dwc-> you can put any *feed* you like into preware
Nov 22 22:11:09 <dwc-> if your q is how to get an app into a feed that's enabled by default in preware, I think by default that means you go to precentral
Nov 22 22:11:24 <rwhitby> a427: precentral.net, or if it's synergistic with WebOS Internals work we can discuss putting it in the webos-internals feed
Nov 22 22:11:28 <dwc-> (or join and make your app a webosinternals app)
Nov 22 22:12:19 <rwhitby> DThought: meta-doctor defaults to 2.1.0, but does not insist on it
Nov 22 22:12:39 <rwhitby> just override the default VERSION on the command line
Nov 22 22:14:23 <oilsworkn> and he left
Nov 22 22:14:42 <oilsworkn> lol
Nov 22 22:15:01 <wrea> yup
Nov 22 22:15:02 * dwc- does the math working backwards
Nov 22 22:15:41 <dwc-> yep, he saw nothing useful
Nov 22 22:20:52 <a427> sorry, disconnected
Nov 22 22:21:17 <a427> did you see my msg about custom preware feeds ?
Nov 22 22:21:42 <rwhitby> no
Nov 22 22:21:51 <a427> hello
Nov 22 22:21:52 <oilsworkn> "a427> are ther any non-oss apps in preware btw ?" was the last message we saw
Nov 22 22:22:07 <a427> ok
Nov 22 22:22:32 <a427> I wondered first how to publish an app to preware,
Nov 22 22:22:41 <rwhitby> a427: precentral.net, or if it's synergistic with WebOS Internals work we can discuss putting it in the webos-internals feed
Nov 22 22:22:43 <a427> and then how to create a cuztom preware feed..
Nov 22 22:23:03 <rwhitby> preware feed is just a Packages file - look at an existing one, and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Packaging_Standards
Nov 22 22:23:21 <rwhitby> a427: what apps do you have?
Nov 22 22:24:10 <a427> well, for now I only have a sdl demo (sorta) put on hp store, just to test
Nov 22 22:25:36 <a427> I'll have a look at precentral.net, and also at pkg std page, thanks for the links..
Nov 22 22:32:05 <a427> ok, so I guess that to create a custom feed, I "only" have to create in some way a Package file, host it on some web server, along with the corresponding ipk and that's it ?
Nov 22 22:33:04 <oilsworkn> then instruct users to type your feed into preware
Nov 22 22:33:24 <rwhitby> a427: correct. an open ecosystem
Nov 22 22:34:16 <a427> well, I was more thinking of using it for myself to try app packaging, and avoid wasting time and resources from webosinternals/precentral..
Nov 22 22:35:02 <rwhitby> to test app packaging, just use palm-install
Nov 22 22:35:14 <rwhitby> or put the ipk on our USB drive and use Preware->Install Package
Nov 22 22:35:26 <rwhitby> s/our/your/
Nov 22 22:35:26 <infobot> rwhitby meant: or put the ipk on your USB drive and use Preware->Install Package
Nov 22 22:35:44 <PaNeL> hi
Nov 22 22:35:48 <a427> hmm, I meant, test package & deployment
Nov 22 22:36:11 <rwhitby> a427: if it works with Preware->Install Package, it will work in a feed.
Nov 22 22:36:21 <a427> in fact I already packaged my dummy sdl app, and put it on hp store so I guess the ipk is ok
Nov 22 22:36:50 <a427> but the way to publish in hp store is a bit tedious
Nov 22 22:38:46 <a427> I don't intend to do so, but are there any non-oss/money apps on preware feeds ? (just wondering)
Nov 22 22:39:14 <rwhitby> there are plenty of non-oss in the precentral feed
Nov 22 22:39:27 <a427> and webosinternals ?
Nov 22 22:39:32 <rwhitby> No.
Nov 22 22:39:37 <a427> ok
Nov 22 22:40:01 <rwhitby> http://www.preware.org/presentation.pdf will tell you why.
Nov 22 22:40:51 <a427> so I guess preware is a sort of HB ipkg frontend, precentral and webosinternals are differnet ffeds with different policies, right
Nov 22 22:40:53 <rwhitby> (page 16 in particular)
Nov 22 22:41:03 <rwhitby> correct
Nov 22 22:41:42 <a427> ok, thanks and sorry for noob noise
Nov 22 22:45:24 <Tibfib> a427: there is no payment method supported in preware
Nov 22 22:45:45 <a427> ok
Nov 22 22:46:09 <Tibfib> you could do something else, but that can be complicated, plus there are restrictions on selling apps outside the catalog
Nov 22 22:46:25 <a427> no no I don,
Nov 22 22:46:36 <PaNeL> i seen some video player with paypal payment implemented
Nov 22 22:46:43 <a427> don't intend to do so, was just wondering
Nov 22 22:48:13 <a427> preware concept is pretty cool
Nov 22 22:48:41 <a427> it reminds me a bit the homebrew channel of the wii
Nov 22 22:49:52 <rwhitby> a427: indeed, HBC was some of the inspiration
Nov 22 22:50:09 <a427> well done, rod
Nov 22 22:50:21 <a427> and othera of course
Nov 22 22:50:26 <a427> others
Nov 22 22:50:50 <rwhitby> indeed, quite a few folks helped create it, and also help keep it running.
Nov 22 22:51:30 <a427> I like the page 9 of the presentation, the tight timeframe ;-)
Nov 22 22:54:32 <oilsworkn> hey, "Get wIRC into the official app catalog" future plan finally happened!
Nov 22 22:54:55 <PaNeL> rwhitby: thanks for that
Nov 22 22:56:04 <Tibfib> oilsworkn: where's enyo wIRC?
Nov 22 22:56:18 <oilsworkn> in git
Nov 22 22:56:34 <Tibfib> RIMSHAHT
Nov 22 23:01:07 <a427> will try to reconnect via wirc..
Nov 22 23:03:35 <a427> hello ?
Nov 22 23:03:50 <PaNeL> hi :)
Nov 22 23:03:55 <a427> good.
Nov 22 23:04:00 <PaNeL> wircer
Nov 22 23:04:15 <a427> heh
Nov 22 23:04:27 <a427> pretty cool app' indeed
Nov 22 23:05:31 <a427> rod, are you there ?
Nov 22 23:05:36 <rwhitby> yes
Nov 22 23:06:01 <a427> [OT] I see that you're in SoC and esl,
Nov 22 23:06:16 <rwhitby> yep
Nov 22 23:06:26 <a427> do you plan to come to the DVCON next year in san jose ?
Nov 22 23:08:25 <rwhitby> not at this stage
Nov 22 23:08:32 <a427> ok
Nov 22 23:08:42 <a427> nevermind :-)
Nov 22 23:09:47 <a427> there's something strange for me about webos and homebrew,
Nov 22 23:10:04 <Lil> please help HP touchpad 32 gb
Nov 22 23:10:33 <Lil> I have pics in folders that do not appear in the albums I created.
Nov 22 23:10:38 <a427> before getting my touchpad I wish I could just write some cool native HB app,
Nov 22 23:11:02 <a427> and now that I can, I have no clue what to do, I need ideas :-)
Nov 22 23:11:22 <Lil> is there a patch for this?
Nov 22 23:12:03 <a427> what is the extension of those pics ?
Nov 22 23:12:13 <a427> jpg, png ?
Nov 22 23:12:51 <Lil> jpg, I created the albums using my computer and the HP touchpad was in USB mode
Nov 22 23:13:23 <a427> did you remove the touchpad safely ?
Nov 22 23:13:58 <PaNeL> is it possible to make skype app for webos, now when is skype api released ? i don't know any details
Nov 22 23:14:09 <Lil> no. The pics are still there though
Nov 22 23:14:36 <Lil> I was able to view them through a different homebrew app.
Nov 22 23:14:44 <a427> aha
Nov 22 23:14:49 <oilsworkn> its the mediaindexer
Nov 22 23:14:49 <summatusmentis> Lil: properly ejecting things is important
Nov 22 23:14:50 <a427> touchplayer ?
Nov 22 23:15:11 <Lil> I recognize that. Lol
Nov 22 23:15:21 * dwc- had no idea webos's picture thing did albums
Nov 22 23:15:28 <a427> panel : isn't there alreAdy a skype app ?
Nov 22 23:15:43 <Lil> internals pro
Nov 22 23:15:44 <a427> oops, on touchpad yes but maybe not on phones ?
Nov 22 23:16:03 <oilsworkn> dwc-: album = folder,  im pretty sure
Nov 22 23:16:05 <PaNeL> i don't know i have only phones
Nov 22 23:16:12 <summatusmentis> dwc-: you're always here, but I feel like semi-consistently you say something like "I had no idea XYZ!"
Nov 22 23:16:20 <summatusmentis> what gives?
Nov 22 23:16:30 <dwc-> <- dumb user, what can I say? :P
Nov 22 23:16:35 <Lil> yes folder. It shows as an album under pics. Sorry, I am a novice...
Nov 22 23:16:37 <summatusmentis> a427: iirc, the pre3 has a skype app also
Nov 22 23:16:48 <a427> panel : did you search skype in hp store
Nov 22 23:18:26 <dwc-> non-att pre3 has skype built-in
Nov 22 23:18:33 <PaNeL> hmm, no there's not
Nov 22 23:18:39 <dwc-> att pre3 activated with an att sim has skype in the app catalog
Nov 22 23:18:48 <PaNeL> i have veer and pre2
Nov 22 23:19:10 <PaNeL> and i miss it very much
Nov 22 23:19:23 <PaNeL> skype chat will be enough
Nov 22 23:20:24 <a427> did anybody test sdlterminal in preware ?
Nov 22 23:20:39 <a427> never managed to download/install properly
Nov 22 23:20:49 <a427> or is it a fake app ?
Nov 22 23:21:01 <oilsworkn> fake app?
Nov 22 23:21:01 <PaNeL> a427 on forum theres link to proper ipk
Nov 22 23:21:12 <a427> well
Nov 22 23:21:19 <PaNeL> in preware is not working
Nov 22 23:21:36 <a427> an app provided in feeds, that always freezes durink install
Nov 22 23:21:56 <PaNeL> yes, same for me
Nov 22 23:22:03 <oilsworkn> Lil: reboot, then plug in and go to usb mode, then just unplug it, then wait a half hour or so, then look in the photos app
Nov 22 23:22:03 <a427> grumph
Nov 22 23:22:37 <a427> panel : did you try the corrsct sdlterm ipk ?
Nov 22 23:22:47 <PaNeL> yes
Nov 22 23:22:55 <PaNeL> it's working
Nov 22 23:22:55 <a427> does it work fine ?
Nov 22 23:23:01 <a427> I mean,
Nov 22 23:23:04 <Lil> thanks, will try it.
Nov 22 23:23:09 <PaNeL> on precentral forum
Nov 22 23:23:17 <a427> vs xterm+xecutah
Nov 22 23:23:20 <PaNeL> yes it's nice app
Nov 22 23:23:37 <oilsworkn> Lil: my guess is a mediaindexer problem (the service that scans the usb partition and builds a list of photos/videos/music that the native apps use)
Nov 22 23:24:03 <PaNeL> i can't compare i'm using only SDLterminal
Nov 22 23:24:08 <a427> but if the ipk works in the forum, why not fix it also in the feeds ?
Nov 22 23:24:25 <a427> does scrollong work ?
Nov 22 23:24:30 <a427> and copy paste ?
Nov 22 23:24:36 <Lil> how can I fix it? I appreciate the help.
Nov 22 23:24:36 <a427> scrolling
Nov 22 23:24:39 * oilsworkn misses termplugin
Nov 22 23:24:43 <oilsworkn> it was the best terminal
Nov 22 23:25:01 <PaNeL> sec, i have to calm down our chinchillas
Nov 22 23:25:08 <summatusmentis> oilsworkn: srsly
Nov 22 23:25:24 <oilsworkn> Lil: the steps i listed above should kick it into gear
Nov 22 23:25:42 <Lil> thanks greatly!
Nov 22 23:26:26 <a427> I'll try to find the sdlterminal forum link and test it, thanks
Nov 22 23:26:45 * oilsworkn goes back to 1.4.5 so he can use termplugin again
Nov 22 23:27:05 <a427> what's that app ?
Nov 22 23:27:14 <a427> mojo ?
Nov 22 23:27:29 <Lil> happy thanksgiving to all of you. Take good care.
Nov 22 23:27:37 <a427> bye
Nov 22 23:27:56 <PaNeL> a427: i think mojo
Nov 22 23:29:03 <oilsworkn> termplugin?
Nov 22 23:29:11 <oilsworkn> it was mojo + plugin
Nov 22 23:29:17 <a427> ok
Nov 22 23:29:31 <oilsworkn> a hybrid before palm announced the pdk and the possibility of hybrids
Nov 22 23:29:36 <a427> and it doesn't work with recent webos ?
Nov 22 23:30:10 <oilsworkn> nope
Nov 22 23:33:09 <a427> panel : do you use sdlterminal 1.0.4 ?
Nov 22 23:33:46 <PaNeL> yes
Nov 22 23:40:06 <PaNeL> a427: found it?
Nov 22 23:40:43 <a427> yes, but I need to register to d/l grrr
Nov 22 23:42:06 <PaNeL> that account is usefull :)
Nov 22 23:42:35 <PaNeL> going to sleep, bye
Nov 22 23:43:01 <a427> bye thnks
Nov 23 00:14:38 <a427> help, I can't d/l sdlterminal
Nov 23 00:21:25 <rcp> hi
Nov 23 00:22:04 <rcp> I cannot install it to my ho touchpad
Nov 23 00:22:11 <rcp> can you help?
Nov 23 00:22:16 <rcp> hp
Nov 23 00:22:33 <EricBlade1> sdlterminal does not work on the touchpad
Nov 23 00:22:51 <EricBlade1> xterm works quite well though
Nov 23 00:23:12 <rwhitby> xecutah is the only terminal solution which works on all webOS device and all webOS versions
Nov 23 00:23:52 <rcp> when I tried to plug the touchpad to the laptop, it didn't open..
Nov 23 00:24:07 <bhuey_> hey rwhitby
Nov 23 00:24:07 <rcp> works only as usb drive
Nov 23 00:24:22 <EricBlade1> what do you mean it "didn't open"? what are you expecting to happen?
Nov 23 00:24:47 <rwhitby> hey bhuey_
Nov 23 00:24:58 <rcp> I was expecting not to open as usb drive
Nov 23 00:25:11 <rwhitby> rcp: what instructions are you following?
Nov 23 00:25:45 <rcp> preware homebrew
Nov 23 00:26:07 <rwhitby> rcp: http://bit.ly/phd-ac ?
Nov 23 00:26:36 <rwhitby> rcp: (more precise answers to questions will get better help_
Nov 23 00:26:55 <rcp> thanks a lot, checking it out..
Nov 23 00:29:27 * dwc- resists making a bad rcp deprecation joke
Nov 23 00:40:23 <EricBlade1> rwhitby: whenever you're around .. do you think if i shut off backup on my TouchPad I might be able to register my att-preplus-2.1 to my account? maybe?
Nov 23 00:42:49 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: that's what I'd try first
Nov 23 00:45:05 <EricBlade1> it registered fine in 1.4.5, but it just errors on me when i try to login from 2.1. was able to create a new profile just fine, though.  should i remove it from the new profile first?   also, so long as my touchpad doesn't get wiped inbetween turning off backups, and trying this, and turning backups back on on it, i should be ok, right?
Nov 23 00:50:34 <rwhitby> right
Nov 23 00:56:28 <EricBlade1> alrighty then. one last doctor for this preplus, and after that it's out of the hospital for good
Nov 23 00:56:44 <EricBlade1> oh i guess i can just full erase
Nov 23 01:06:54 * EricBlade1 sighs.. taking a very long time at "Signing In..."
Nov 23 01:07:40 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: do you have developer mode enabled, and are you doing "tail -f /var/log/messages" to see what is happening?
Nov 23 01:07:44 <EricBlade1> nope. "Data not restored" "Try Again" ..
Nov 23 01:08:19 * rwhitby is dismayed when people fly blind ...
Nov 23 01:09:11 <EricBlade1> the doctor was setup for auto setting developer mode, but it doesn't seem to allow connection until after it gets past the account sign in
Nov 23 01:09:49 <EricBlade1> or maybe the full erase undid it
Nov 23 01:10:46 <rwhitby> full erase undoes it
Nov 23 01:10:50 <scoutcamper> ~dismay
Nov 23 01:10:51 <infobot> dismay is probably rwhitby is dismayed when people fly blind. follow system log or doctor log
Nov 23 01:11:57 <EricBlade1> well, it may have had to do that i had it plugged into the AC charger and not the computer.  but it's doctoring again now
Nov 23 01:13:32 * EricBlade1 goes derp derp
Nov 23 02:15:46 <EricBlade1> rwhitby: i don't see anything.. painfully obvious... http://pastebin.com/Affe1k3i
Nov 23 02:17:40 <rwhitby> EricBlade1: is the time correct on that device?
Nov 23 02:17:53 <EricBlade1> looks dead on with everything else here
Nov 23 02:18:35 <rwhitby> looks like the backup server is just refusing to talk to that device.
Nov 23 02:18:47 <rwhitby> it's an AT&T Pre+ 2.1.0, right?
Nov 23 02:18:56 <EricBlade1> yes
Nov 23 02:19:29 <rwhitby> Yeah, those got stuffed some time ago by HP so that the backup servers don't allow them.
Nov 23 02:19:37 <rwhitby> There was a message from Chuq about it.
Nov 23 02:19:50 <rwhitby> The meta-doctor should print out a note about it
Nov 23 02:19:59 <EricBlade1> it works on a diff account :|
Nov 23 02:20:22 <rwhitby> echo "Due to changes made to HP Cloud Services, this script may no longer work."
Nov 23 02:25:45 <EricBlade1> hmm.  it shows on my profile, without a device name or product, with webOS 1.4.5. . .  ok and now it won't connect to the profile that it -was- connected to either :|
Nov 23 02:56:07 <EricBlade1> i think i got it to work ..  *woot*
Nov 23 02:56:50 * grep_awesome wonders if EricBlade1 is working on the same problem from 6 hours ago
Nov 23 02:57:02 <EricBlade1> more like 18 hrs ago
Nov 23 02:57:13 <grep_awesome> EricBlade1: those are my favorite
Nov 23 02:57:29 <EricBlade1> got it! i patched the firstuse app to ignore the error.
Nov 23 02:57:55 <grep_awesome> btw, thanks for helping me thinking through that code earlier btw. I'm getting pretty close to a major release for SubOrbital
Nov 23 02:59:04 <EricBlade1> it still doesn't show a Device Name or Product but it does appear to otherwise be attached
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