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Nov 29 03:01:14 <moo> maybe it should simply use the raw patch from us
Nov 29 03:01:42 <moo> for mojo/builtins/*.js, diff -U1 is used instead to avoid possible conflict
Nov 29 03:04:01 <moo> the *pinyin*-veer patch still a messed and don't apply to 2.1.2 veer. the patch generated looks exactly the same as for 2.1.0
Nov 29 03:12:21 <moo> btw, WQI tends to remove files when the patch is uninstall. that fool me into making false positive on some patch to require veer specified version. i'd like to withdraw some of the patch alternatives.
Nov 29 03:13:15 <rwhitby> moo: let me know the appids and I can do that
Nov 29 03:25:57 <moo> rwhitby: Chinese PinYin Framework - Veer; CN Number List upgrade - Veer. these are not necessary and can be removed. the 2.1.0 patch will works fine for veer
Nov 29 03:26:42 <moo> if version/1.0 instead of submission/*** is used instead, more -Veer alternative is not necessary
Nov 29 03:30:50 <rwhitby> done
Nov 29 03:31:32 <moo> how does the patch system make patch ipk for " - Veer"?
Nov 29 03:32:11 <moo> only if the patch fail to applie on 2.1.0, it will try the 2.1.2 ?
Nov 29 03:32:26 <wrea> man, restoring all my apps takes a long time
Nov 29 03:32:47 <rwhitby> moo: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/Makefile is how all patches are packages
Nov 29 03:32:55 <rwhitby> s/packages/packaged/
Nov 29 03:32:55 <infobot> rwhitby meant: moo: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/Makefile is how all patches are packaged
Nov 29 03:46:51 <jrabbit> is there an easy way to extend my /opt since webos is full of logical partitions?
Nov 29 03:49:52 <dwc-> it's easily stolen from the fat32 /media/internal
Nov 29 03:50:15 <dwc-> or... if you don't have an ext3 partition, rather, it's even easier
Nov 29 03:50:17 <jrabbit> whats the command I need to use? :\
Nov 29 03:50:23 <jrabbit> I don't ... yet.
Nov 29 03:50:36 <dwc-> well, now would be a good time to decide how you want to do it in the future
Nov 29 03:51:02 <dwc-> if you don't have an ext3fs, it's a loopback mount of a file
Nov 29 03:51:30 <jrabbit> wheres /opt from out of the box?
Nov 29 03:51:37 <jrabbit> not a not a logical parititon
Nov 29 03:51:39 <dwc-> out of the box? nowhere ;)
Nov 29 03:51:50 <jrabbit> why would you loopback when theres already one confusing partition scheme inplace?
Nov 29 03:52:01 <dwc-> after you install optware, then it's /media/cryptofs/optware.ext3 or something like that
Nov 29 03:52:15 <dwc-> because doesn't require repartitioning
Nov 29 03:52:16 <jrabbit> hm
Nov 29 03:52:33 <jrabbit> but on an LVM system thats supposed to be simple
Nov 29 03:52:43 <jrabbit> or does webos not like people messing with its partitions?
Nov 29 03:53:02 <dwc-> it is fairly simple, but more complicated for recovery/undoing purposes, etc
Nov 29 03:53:03 <jrabbit> that'd be a good reason :P
Nov 29 03:53:11 <jrabbit> eh
Nov 29 03:53:53 <jrabbit> dwc-: ok so its sittign there...
Nov 29 03:54:08 <jrabbit> I'll eventually get a real ext3 parititon... later
Nov 29 03:54:25 <jrabbit> its not expressly needed whats the quick hack to keep it the way it is but bigger? :P
Nov 29 03:54:32 <jrabbit> dd it into a bigger file?
Nov 29 03:54:45 <rwhitby> jrabbit: use Tailor to create an ext3fs partition, then optware will use that.
Nov 29 03:54:54 <dwc-> so, what I think I did, was create a new backing file, make a fs, mount them both, and copy them
Nov 29 03:56:04 <jrabbit> rwhitby: huh?
Nov 29 03:56:20 <jrabbit> dwc-: makes sense
Nov 29 03:56:23 <dwc-> if you're comfortable with linux command line, it's basically a dd to append
Nov 29 03:56:32 <dwc-> and then fsck/resize2fs
Nov 29 03:56:56 <jrabbit> I'm familiar enough to be dangerous :P
Nov 29 03:57:06 <jrabbit> I'll read the docs but yeah I follow
Nov 29 03:57:44 <dwc-> http://www.tehfear.com/2007/10/08/resize-loop-disk-image/ something like that looks right
Nov 29 03:59:18 <jrabbit> oooh appending sounds safer.
Nov 29 03:59:53 <jrabbit> /bin/sh: lsof: not found
Nov 29 03:59:56 * jrabbit headdesk
Nov 29 04:00:17 <jrabbit> umount: can't umount /opt: Device or resource busy
Nov 29 04:00:20 <jrabbit> lul
Nov 29 04:00:33 <jrabbit> oh well
Nov 29 04:00:38 <dwc-> if you have sshd running, it's out of /opt, don't forget your current working directories
Nov 29 04:01:31 <dwc-> lsof is in optware, btw
Nov 29 04:01:49 <jrabbit> hehe
Nov 29 04:01:52 <dwc-> I believe fuser is in the base install of the OS though
Nov 29 04:01:52 <jrabbit> no sshd
Nov 29 04:02:08 <jrabbit> killed novacmd
Nov 29 04:02:10 <jrabbit> lovely
Nov 29 04:02:12 <dwc-> fuser -m[k] handy
Nov 29 04:02:37 <jrabbit> ah its back
Nov 29 04:03:48 <jrabbit> oh sshd is running
Nov 29 04:03:56 <jrabbit> odd does novaterm use it?
Nov 29 04:03:59 <dwc-> no
Nov 29 04:04:16 <jrabbit> hmm odd
Nov 29 04:04:16 <moo> rwhitby: in http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/autopatch/common.mk, where is build/src-* from?
Nov 29 04:04:29 <jrabbit> " /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 22 -o PasswordAuthentication no -o PermitRootLogin without-password" :|
Nov 29 04:04:29 <wrea> fuser is indeed part of the base system
Nov 29 04:04:47 <jrabbit> why the hell would I ever want that lol
Nov 29 04:05:08 <rwhitby> jrabbit: that's the recommended option for root logins
Nov 29 04:05:10 <jrabbit> sshd restarted itself...
Nov 29 04:05:13 <jrabbit> oh ok
Nov 29 04:05:16 <rwhitby> you don't want root logging in with a password
Nov 29 04:05:20 <jrabbit> rwhitby: maybe I misread it
Nov 29 04:05:23 <jrabbit> ah yes it did
Nov 29 04:05:24 <jrabbit> nvm
Nov 29 04:05:26 <jrabbit> :)
Nov 29 04:05:37 <rwhitby> it means keys only
Nov 29 04:05:51 <jrabbit> whats restartign sshd so 'helpfully'
Nov 29 04:07:19 <dwc-> you should get a new child pid every time you connect
Nov 29 04:07:52 <jrabbit> I'm not connecting I want to kill it.
Nov 29 04:07:56 <jrabbit> I'm resizing /opt
Nov 29 04:08:01 <dwc-> oh
Nov 29 04:08:04 <dwc-> upstart
Nov 29 04:08:06 <jrabbit> I'm on novaterm
Nov 29 04:08:12 <dwc-> it's a service
Nov 29 04:08:21 <jrabbit> upstart isn't in /etc/init.d...
Nov 29 04:08:29 <dwc-> upstart config files are in /etc/event.d and /var/palm/event.d
Nov 29 04:08:32 <jrabbit> ah
Nov 29 04:08:38 <rwhitby> homebrew in the latter
Nov 29 04:08:50 <dwc-> upstart is started directly by /sbin/init
Nov 29 04:09:53 * dwc- is still weirded out by /sbin/init being a shell script and not a binary staticly-linked executable
Nov 29 04:10:14 <jrabbit> what the hell how do I stop it lol
Nov 29 04:10:25 <dwc-> stop servicename
Nov 29 04:10:27 <jrabbit> oh
Nov 29 04:10:29 <jrabbit> "respawn"
Nov 29 04:11:35 <dwc-> hmm, since aug 15th... I have had 376 coredumps
Nov 29 04:13:59 <jrabbit> so i edited the file..
Nov 29 04:14:03 <jrabbit> god upstart is weird
Nov 29 04:14:29 <jrabbit> oh
Nov 29 04:15:53 <wrea> old version of upstart too
Nov 29 04:16:12 <dwc-> edited the file? why?
Nov 29 04:18:15 <jrabbit> I didn't know stop existed :|
Nov 29 04:18:19 <jrabbit> it confused me
Nov 29 04:18:30 * jrabbit doesn't use ubuntu
Nov 29 04:18:51 <jrabbit> none of this weird upstart business is in debian yet
Nov 29 04:20:34 <dwc-> oh
Nov 29 04:20:47 <dwc-> yea, it's in ubuntu
Nov 29 04:20:54 * dwc- needs to update his debian boxen
Nov 29 04:22:02 * jrabbit is buildign qemu
Nov 29 04:30:16 <supineru> halo...
Nov 29 04:30:35 <dwc-> no halos here, only halfhalos
Nov 29 04:30:46 <supineru> :O
Nov 29 04:31:00 <rwhitby> a halfhalo is a tiara, no?
Nov 29 04:31:16 <dwc-> hmm, that sounds about right
Nov 29 04:31:39 * rwhitby sees "princess" being used in certain conversations in the future
Nov 29 04:33:02 <scoutcamper> rofl
Nov 29 04:35:13 <jrabbit> gah I should always work in screen
Nov 29 04:35:25 <jrabbit> I get bored otherwise
Nov 29 04:36:59 <jrabbit> for fucks sake all the pythons in optware are broken
Nov 29 04:41:47 <supineru> Uhm..
Nov 29 04:42:35 <supineru> Is UberKernel supposed to give us a couple of pre-set profile for Pre3?
Nov 29 04:53:31 <rwhitby> jrabbit: pg-13 language in this channel thanks
Nov 29 04:53:38 <jrabbit> ok :)
Nov 29 04:53:52 <jrabbit> Hmmm... I think webos may have messed with some time header
Nov 29 04:53:59 <jrabbit> https://gist.github.com/1403464
Nov 29 04:56:34 <dwc-> that's part of libc
Nov 29 04:56:38 <jrabbit> hmm is it possible qemu could be expecting glibc support from webos? :|
Nov 29 04:56:49 <jrabbit> odd :(
Nov 29 04:57:02 <dwc-> I would suspect you should take a look at oslib-posix.c and see what it's doing there
Nov 29 04:57:09 <jrabbit> voodoo.
Nov 29 04:57:10 <dwc-> that file sounds like a compatibility layer
Nov 29 04:58:38 <rwhitby> supineru: kernels don't give profiles, Govnah does.
Nov 29 04:58:57 <dwc-> no utimensat in the Palm PDK's usr/include/sys/stat.h
Nov 29 04:59:26 <dwc-> none on my oldest debian box either
Nov 29 05:04:55 <jrabbit> gid this sucks
Nov 29 05:05:05 <jrabbit> nano is a little bit broken :P
Nov 29 05:05:17 <jrabbit> so its hard to muck about
Nov 29 05:06:36 <jrabbit> dwc-: hmm
Nov 29 05:06:53 <jrabbit> dwc-: i think its in glibc
Nov 29 05:07:00 <jrabbit> http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/utimensat.2.html
Nov 29 05:10:56 <jrabbit> dwc-: it appears its doing a really bad fallback plan that doesn't build :P
Nov 29 05:11:18 <dwc-> looks like it's added to POSIX.1-2008
Nov 29 05:12:11 <dwc-> VERSIONS utimensat() was added to Linux in  kernel  2.6.22;  glibc  support  was added with version 2.6.
Nov 29 05:12:14 <dwc-> Support for futimens() first appeared in glibc 2.6.
Nov 29 05:15:33 <jrabbit> webos has glibc riiight?
Nov 29 05:16:55 <jrabbit> I think i installed another glib
Nov 29 05:16:57 <jrabbit> that'd fuck it up
Nov 29 05:16:58 <jrabbit> :D
Nov 29 05:17:10 <dwc-> glib or glibc
Nov 29 05:17:35 <jrabbit> donno
Nov 29 05:17:36 <jrabbit> nvm
Nov 29 05:17:46 <jrabbit> glib :P
Nov 29 05:17:49 <jrabbit> :(
Nov 29 05:19:02 <jrabbit> Damn that'd be too easy
Nov 29 05:19:18 <dwc-> too easy to break your system? yea, I'll say
Nov 29 05:19:24 <jrabbit> lol
Nov 29 05:20:03 <jrabbit> hmm
Nov 29 05:21:05 <jrabbit> https://gist.github.com/1403543#L133 looks like if that was properly detected it'd work.
Nov 29 05:24:14 <dwc-> check the config.log and other headers and see what it's decided about CONFIG_UTIMENSAT
Nov 29 05:25:12 <jrabbit> its a 1
Nov 29 05:25:47 <dwc-> and did it ship out of the tarball as 1, or was it detected somewhere in the compilation process
Nov 29 05:27:49 <jrabbit> I can't seem to hit enter over the novaterm for these itneractive commands >_>
Nov 29 05:28:00 <jrabbit> dwc-: it was configured.
Nov 29 05:28:37 <dwc-> configure and config.log should tell you how it erroneously decided that then
Nov 29 05:30:28 <dwc-> and you can also override that and undefine it and see if your build succeeds
Nov 29 05:34:22 <jrabbit> it mgiht have mucked up its config-host.h nonsense
Nov 29 05:34:37 <jrabbit> "config-host.h
Nov 29 05:34:38 <jrabbit> config-host.h-timestamp"
Nov 29 05:40:35 <jrabbit> odd
Nov 29 05:40:45 <jrabbit> yeah removing that definitino worked.
Nov 29 05:40:54 <jrabbit> I had to multiplex screens.
Nov 29 05:40:58 <jrabbit> but :P
Nov 29 05:42:55 <jrabbit> /opt/var/tmp/qemu-0.15.1/vl.c:2958: error: 'CONFIG_QEMU_DATADIR' undeclared (first use in this function)
Nov 29 05:42:59 <jrabbit> awww heck
Nov 29 09:15:07 <panel> hi
Nov 29 09:15:38 <panel> it's possible any way to change user agent in webview / browser on webos ?
Nov 29 09:32:25 <ka6sox> panel, to what other browser?
Nov 29 10:13:55 <mOo> can someone send me your veer version of /etc/fstab to me? dcc or mailto: moo.tinys@gmail.com
Nov 29 10:55:49 <mOo> never mind
Nov 29 13:08:15 <jstockto2000> can anyone here help with performing an emergency boot over usb on a touchpad please?
Nov 29 13:08:26 <jstockto2000> page at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery needs updating for TP...
Nov 29 13:08:38 <jstockto2000> or point in right direction if wrong board?? thx
Nov 29 13:10:00 <panel> jstockto2000 sorry I don't know how to help you
Nov 29 13:10:51 <jstockto2000> ok, thanks anyway… hp won't take in for repair as I brought in US, but need repairing in UK
Nov 29 16:14:59 <fyodor_> does webos support cp936 codepage?
Nov 29 16:26:23 <mOo> fyodor_: what's your actual problem
Nov 29 20:19:12 <PaNeL> hello
Nov 29 22:26:25 <wrea> sconix, I had to doctor my touchpad to get the sound working again. But now I've tested everything on a fresh system and everything is working
Nov 29 22:26:51 <sconix> wrea: so you have packaged everything
Nov 29 22:26:52 <sconix> ?
Nov 29 22:34:33 <wrea> Yeah, dbus, avahi, libdaemon (for avahi) and the module package
Nov 29 22:35:47 <wrea> Right now I have the zeroconf, raop and rtp modules included
Nov 29 22:37:02 <sconix> could you send them to my email, would like to have a look, and maybe short text telling what is working
Nov 29 22:39:33 <wrea> Only thing I can really say is working is zeroconf-publish
Nov 29 22:39:59 <wrea> I havent had any luck with rtp like you, and dont have any airport devices to test with raop
Nov 29 22:40:25 <wrea> I'm going to nag hewball into testing raop as he has a few airports to test with
Nov 29 22:42:33 <sconix> wrea: ok
Nov 29 22:45:41 <wrea> The discover modules are probably useless for our needs unless you you want to interface with pulse with C and get the info. Which means that node module is probably the best bet
Nov 29 22:48:40 <sconix> yes
Nov 29 22:49:45 <rwhitby> wrea, hewball: BTW, I'm very interested in what you guys are doing, and want to help in any way we can to get it all packaged up and released in Preware. I've just been extremely busy with some other stuff at the moment ;)
Nov 29 22:51:11 <wrea> rwhitby, no problem. If it all works for sconix all my stuff should be ready for the feed
Nov 29 22:53:26 <wrea> I'm wondering if there is a way to exclude stuff from getting published via zeroconf-publish.
Nov 29 22:54:43 <wrea> If there isnt, then that module is easy to work with is all you have to do is load it for it to work
Nov 29 22:56:19 <wrea> sconix, Sent you an email with the packages
Nov 29 22:57:08 <sconix> wrea: thanks, I'll check them out most likely tomorrow
Nov 29 22:57:41 <wrea> Alright
Nov 29 22:58:12 <sconix> btw does the modules package include: module-native-protocol-tcp.so  module-tunnel-sink.so
Nov 29 22:58:18 <sconix> if not could you add those
Nov 29 22:58:36 <sconix> so I could then remove them from the pulseaudio patch package, woudl be nice to have only one package for adding modules
Nov 29 22:59:45 <wrea> It doesn't, didnt want to overwrite them when the patch is installed. But I can add them easily
Nov 29 23:03:43 <sconix> wrea: thanks, actually you should use the modules that are in the patch at the moment
Nov 29 23:04:04 <sconix> wrea: if you include them now then it does not matter if the package overrides them
Nov 29 23:04:39 <sconix> wrea: just for the first release so we avoid any problems on the transition, after that the modules can be freshly build etc.
Nov 29 23:05:11 <wrea> Works for me
Nov 29 23:06:59 <sconix> wrea: or actually it does not matter, so you can include them from your build as well if you have them
Nov 29 23:08:07 <wrea> Okay, I'll include them
Nov 29 23:12:33 <wrea> I'm rebuilding it and I'll email you the package with them added
Nov 29 23:32:47 <jasonjdm> hey i was curious about feeds for preware
Nov 29 23:33:22 <jasonjdm> what are other feeds for the preware app?
Nov 29 23:34:03 <jasonjdm> feeds for preware?
Nov 29 23:41:15 <oilsworkn> there are tons of feeds
Nov 30 00:19:11 <dwc-> if you can find it, you can add it
Nov 30 02:23:43 <mputtr> heya
Nov 30 02:23:54 <wrea> hi
Nov 30 02:24:11 <mputtr> quick question. i'm running into an update problem on preware
Nov 30 02:24:28 <mputtr> muffle system logging is refusing to update or even remove
Nov 30 02:24:59 <mputtr> i get this log:
Nov 30 02:25:00 <mputtr> -1: Unable to run command: IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT=/media/cryptofs/apps/bin/sh/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lip/ipkg
Nov 30 02:25:24 <moo> the current aupt-4 will remove file if it's not stock when in prerm (check_for_ota, created_files="$created_files $file", echo "Removing created file $i" ), although the file is back up in postinst
Nov 30 02:25:57 <mputtr> aupt-4?
Nov 30 02:26:20 <mputtr> sorry, i know very little about webos
Nov 30 02:26:25 <mputtr> i'm troubleshooting it for my mom
Nov 30 02:42:24 <moo> mputtr: not an answer to you
Nov 30 02:43:33 <dwc-> mputtr: use preware to save the list of installed packages
Nov 30 02:43:49 <mputtr> oh
Nov 30 02:43:55 <dwc-> then use the emergency patch remover/recovery app
Nov 30 02:43:59 <mputtr> ok
Nov 30 02:44:14 <dwc-> then go back to preware and have it 'install all' on that saved list
Nov 30 02:44:39 <mputtr> ok
Nov 30 02:45:23 <mputtr> which emergency pacth?
Nov 30 02:45:31 <mputtr> the Emergency patch recoevry?
Nov 30 02:45:32 <dwc-> emergency patch recovery
Nov 30 02:45:36 <mputtr> ok
Nov 30 02:47:38 <mputtr> just installed the recovery
Nov 30 02:47:47 <mputtr> i'm letting it restart then going back to work on it
Nov 30 02:54:27 <mputtr> sweet
Nov 30 02:54:29 <mputtr> seems like it works
Nov 30 02:54:31 <mputtr> thanks a bunch!
Nov 30 02:55:09 <dwc-> you're welcome
Nov 30 02:56:54 <mputtr> i'm getting my mom to play with android and webos
Nov 30 02:56:59 <mputtr> and let her decide what she wants
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