**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 03 02:59:57 2011
Dec 03 04:16:35 * grep_awesome has reached the balmer peak on cold meds
Dec 03 05:24:09 <mscoolnerd> if i wanted to play with the facebook/google synergy services where would i look into the filesystem? i found some in /usr/palm/services
Dec 03 05:24:34 <mscoolnerd> but is there somewhere else i should look?
Dec 03 06:35:25 <mscoolnerd> just curious, what's the state of the messaging plugins project in the git repository?
Dec 03 08:04:18 <wrea> sconix, the raop modules wont be available on devices older than the pre3 or touchpad
Dec 03 08:50:05 <ice8lue> heyho!
Dec 03 10:18:10 <ice8lue> heyho
Dec 03 10:26:45 <ice8lue> rwhitby: are you here?
Dec 03 11:23:42 <sconix> wrea: ok
Dec 03 12:25:26 <ronin444> is it possible to download this webos an be able to flash the phone locally
Dec 03 12:25:36 <ronin444> if i experiment with it too much and brake something so that i can recover
Dec 03 12:37:17 <rwhitby> ronin444: you want the webOS Doctor
Dec 03 12:39:33 <ronin444> rwhitby, 10x i will do some search, i am now reading a lot of your posts in the forum
Dec 03 12:40:52 <rwhitby> ronin444: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
Dec 03 12:41:01 <ronin444> rwhitby, is the uberkernlel totally replacing the webos kernel when installed
Dec 03 12:41:04 <rwhitby> ronin444: make sure you've also ready http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Dec 03 12:41:12 <rwhitby> s/ready/read/
Dec 03 12:41:13 <infobot> rwhitby meant: ronin444: make sure you've also read http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Dec 03 12:41:52 <ronin444> thank i am reading this now
Dec 03 12:42:01 <rwhitby> ronin444: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/ - note the sticky threads
Dec 03 13:14:50 <ice8lue> is there any way to buy a pre/pre2-only app on a pre3? maybe a device masquerade via impostah?
Dec 03 13:33:53 <ronin444> i am a bit confused, is palm pre plus and palm pre3 essentially the same smartphone (http://www.inside-handy.de/handy-vergleich/2209_2417_allgemein.html)
Dec 03 13:35:44 <ronin444> as far as i can see here (http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions) most roms are branded and i would like to use unlcoked
Dec 03 13:36:08 <ronin444> and from unlocked there are versions only for pre 2 and pre 3
Dec 03 13:36:24 <ronin444> are they going to work on palm pre plus unlocked
Dec 03 13:37:03 <RichT23> ronin444: i dont think so no
Dec 03 13:37:13 <RichT23> they have diffent hardware
Dec 03 13:37:57 <RichT23> the diffrent branded firmwares just came with diffrent software / logos
Dec 03 13:38:26 <ronin444> RichT23, so no simlocks or something like this
Dec 03 13:38:45 <RichT23> the sim lock is a diffrent hing
Dec 03 13:39:02 <RichT23> using the unlocked fw will not unlock you phone
Dec 03 13:39:10 <RichT23> /you/your/
Dec 03 13:39:40 <ronin444> if i am going to buy on it will be unlocked
Dec 03 13:40:22 <RichT23> =)
Dec 03 13:40:32 <RichT23> you can get them unlocked for not much
Dec 03 13:40:53 <ronin444> i am looking at this: http://handyshop.simyo.de/handys/palm-pre-plus-schwarz.htm
Dec 03 13:41:53 <ronin444> and i am looking for smartphone with hw keyboard and as open as it can be so i can play with it
Dec 03 13:42:16 <RichT23> if you want to see the diffrence between diffrent modeles hardware this site is good http://www.gsmarena.com/palm_pre_plus-3249.php
Dec 03 13:42:18 <ronin444> now i am comparing n900 and palm pre plus
Dec 03 13:42:35 <ronin444> RichT23, thanks
Dec 03 13:46:17 <RichT23> ronin444: also consider the pre2
Dec 03 13:46:26 <RichT23> that have a faster cpu
Dec 03 13:49:24 <ronin444> yeah i was looking at the cpu that is not that fast with pre plus
Dec 03 13:49:53 <ronin444> Arm Cortex A8 500 MHz
Dec 03 13:50:12 <ronin444> or?
Dec 03 13:50:37 <panel> I recomend Pre2
Dec 03 13:50:42 <panel> I had Pre Plus
Dec 03 13:50:42 <ronin444> ah CPU 	600 MHz Cortex-A8
Dec 03 13:50:53 <ronin444> i will check it now
Dec 03 13:50:57 <panel> but Pre2 is much faster
Dec 03 13:51:06 <ronin444> nice thanks
Dec 03 13:51:14 <panel> you can Pre+ overclock but, it's not same
Dec 03 13:51:44 <panel> ronin444 you are from europe ?
Dec 03 13:52:17 <ronin444> yes
Dec 03 13:52:26 <ronin444> only using vpn
Dec 03 13:53:00 <ronin444> i was reading this and that is what i want to do with the phone (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179657)
Dec 03 13:54:45 <ronin444> niiiice palm pre2 1GHz processor .... superb
Dec 03 13:55:21 <panel> yes
Dec 03 13:55:29 <panel> it's very responsive
Dec 03 13:56:06 <ronin444> did you also try chroot and run other os on it
Dec 03 13:56:34 <panel> no, i'm satisfied with webos
Dec 03 13:56:52 <ronin444> :D also good to hear
Dec 03 13:57:02 <panel> it's doing all what i need
Dec 03 13:57:04 <panel> :)
Dec 03 13:57:25 <panel> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HP-Palm-Pre-2-Black-Unlocked-Touch-Smartphone-Cell-WebOS-/140646258405?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item20bf2b96e5#ht_2091wt_1029
Dec 03 13:57:26 <ronin444> i am linux fan i search smth close to my heart
Dec 03 13:57:34 <panel> :)
Dec 03 13:57:44 <panel> on ebay you can buy wery cheap
Dec 03 13:57:51 <panel> new palm pre2
Dec 03 13:58:17 <ronin444> thanks mate, i was searching here: http://www.amazon.de/Hewlett-Packard-FB320AA-ABB-Palm-Pre/dp/B004CELQ9Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322920298&sr=8-1
Dec 03 13:58:33 <ronin444> but your offer is even better
Dec 03 13:58:40 <panel> very nice price too
Dec 03 13:59:05 <panel> I've buyed it seven months ago for 220 EUR
Dec 03 13:59:18 <panel> plus postage
Dec 03 14:00:01 <ronin444> are you happy with the phone
Dec 03 14:00:18 <panel> yes, i'm developing app for myself :)))
Dec 03 14:00:22 <panel> *apps
Dec 03 14:00:36 <ronin444> nice
Dec 03 14:01:08 <panel> javascript is easy :)
Dec 03 14:01:39 <ronin444> i am really considering this phone, i was thinking also for n900
Dec 03 14:01:40 <RichT23> ronin444: some one here ported xserver...
Dec 03 14:01:48 <panel> and i realy appreciate touchtone, installed it in car too
Dec 03 14:01:50 <RichT23> there a a few xapps now avalible
Dec 03 14:02:33 <RichT23> panel: oh did you have to do any thing special to get the touchstone working in your car?
Dec 03 14:02:48 <ronin444> but it seems pre2 will be overall better
Dec 03 14:03:18 <RichT23> ronin444: yup unless you can afore a pre 3, bigger faster more ;)
Dec 03 14:03:38 <panel> RichT23: no, only palm car adapter
Dec 03 14:03:39 <RichT23> or if you like your phone smaller and more powerfull there is the veer
Dec 03 14:04:04 <ronin444> hah lol
Dec 03 14:04:09 <panel> I also buyed veer but, it's too small to be main phone
Dec 03 14:04:10 <RichT23> panel: oh i hered that you needed an AC supply!
Dec 03 14:04:29 <RichT23> I use the veer as my work phone
Dec 03 14:04:41 <panel> RichT23 it's working for me :) on veer and on Pre2 too
Dec 03 14:04:50 <RichT23> i have to do on call work, is small so i can carry it around =)
Dec 03 14:04:58 <RichT23> panel: cool as
Dec 03 14:05:14 <RichT23> I shall have to try it them =)
Dec 03 14:05:14 <panel> yes very comfortable
Dec 03 14:05:59 <RichT23> well you can carry normal phones around but the veer is just much smaller!
Dec 03 14:06:08 <Vyker> going to paste comments from #webos sorry for half spam..
Dec 03 14:06:19 <Vyker> [13:51:33] <Vyker> good place to talk about Save/Restore?
Dec 03 14:06:20 <Vyker> [13:52:12] <Vyker> my install of save/restore doesnt backup my com.palm.app.messaging :(
Dec 03 14:06:22 <Vyker> [13:52:19] <Vyker> any thoughts on reasons why?
Dec 03 14:06:24 <Vyker> [13:52:22] <Vyker> need help troubleshooting
Dec 03 14:06:25 <Vyker> [13:52:23] <Vyker> thanks.
Dec 03 14:07:00 <panel> RichT23 only when I switch car lights, it will restart charging, maybe there's voltage decrease for a moment
Dec 03 14:07:23 <PaNeL_away> bye
Dec 03 14:07:37 <RichT23> thanks for the info PaNeL_away
Dec 03 14:07:42 <RichT23> bye
Dec 03 14:08:32 <ronin444> does now hp continue to develop hp pre #
Dec 03 14:08:45 <ronin444> bye mate and 10x for the info
Dec 03 14:08:59 <PaNeL_away> np :) glad to help
Dec 03 14:09:00 <RichT23> ronin444: =( well it would appear not no
Dec 03 14:09:29 <RichT23> ronin444: havent anounsed what they are goign to do with WebOS yet
Dec 03 14:09:41 <Vyker> anyone have any thoughts?
Dec 03 14:10:03 <RichT23> hp anounsed a while back they they want to stop selling consumer pc / phones...
Dec 03 14:10:11 <RichT23> Vyker: sorry no idea
Dec 03 14:11:47 <ronin444> actually i do not care much about it, as long as it runs, as long as i can revert my experiments back :D, and as long as i can play with open source os's
Dec 03 14:11:57 <ronin444> on it
Dec 03 14:12:43 <PaNeL_away> RichT23 but I remembered, that I think for proper working you have to use Palm car charger, beacuse I have litle bit higher voltage than other car chargers, I'm not so sure about it, but with other it didn't worked for me
Dec 03 14:14:16 <ronin444> lol xserver looks amazing
Dec 03 14:16:04 <RichT23> PaNeL_away: cool well i do have a palm car charger too
Dec 03 14:16:22 <RichT23> ronin444: well as long as you do not totally mess up the phone
Dec 03 14:16:41 <RichT23> you can allways use webos doctor to restore the os on the phone
Dec 03 14:16:43 <ronin444> :D sometimes it happens to me
Dec 03 14:17:31 <RichT23> ronin444: and by totally mess up you would have to bust the bios
Dec 03 14:17:56 <ronin444> ok i do not go usually so far
Dec 03 14:18:17 <RichT23> i like that you can "root" the phone just by typing in a word
Dec 03 14:18:49 <ronin444> so webos has its console and one can become root
Dec 03 14:19:01 <RichT23> it lets you turn on dev mode then you can have CL access to the phone via a terminal on your pc
Dec 03 14:19:29 <RichT23> this is how you get preware installed
Dec 03 14:19:40 <ronin444> over usb?
Dec 03 14:19:45 <RichT23> yes
Dec 03 14:20:01 <ronin444> do you have ssh
Dec 03 14:20:05 <RichT23> an app called novaterm
Dec 03 14:20:29 <RichT23> ssh from the phone and too it if you install the packages
Dec 03 14:20:46 <ronin444> nice
Dec 03 14:21:18 <RichT23> Preware is the first thing
Dec 03 14:22:05 <RichT23> have a read at the wiki http://www.webos-internals.org
Dec 03 14:22:24 <ronin444> ok i was reading so far several things
Dec 03 14:23:45 <ronin444> :D is this the word "webos20090606"
Dec 03 14:23:54 <RichT23> =)
Dec 03 14:24:09 <ronin444> and then "novaterm"
Dec 03 14:24:32 <RichT23> yes novaterm is the app used to connect in
Dec 03 14:24:40 <RichT23> there are windows and linux versions
Dec 03 14:24:41 <ronin444> i see
Dec 03 14:24:52 <ronin444> i like the 2nd better
Dec 03 14:24:57 <RichT23> i run Debian it works on that
Dec 03 14:24:57 <ronin444> :P
Dec 03 14:25:30 <RichT23> works on buntooth too
Dec 03 14:25:44 <RichT23> i havent tried deadhat
Dec 03 14:26:14 <ronin444> do you have root teremnal on your phone
Dec 03 14:26:22 <RichT23> yes
Dec 03 14:26:27 <ronin444> nice
Dec 03 14:26:45 <ronin444> and you can access everything?
Dec 03 14:26:53 <RichT23> thats the default for devmode
Dec 03 14:27:23 <RichT23> yes well you are just loged on as root to a linux box
Dec 03 14:27:41 <RichT23> "webos" is just a gui sitting on top
Dec 03 14:27:53 <ronin444> is there the compiler gcc and all the good stuff
Dec 03 14:28:03 <Vyker> anyone know how to export SMS from webos?
Dec 03 14:28:20 <RichT23> not on the phone by default no
Dec 03 14:28:32 <ronin444> can you compile and use most of the packeges suitable for linux
Dec 03 14:28:44 <RichT23> i think the emulator comes with all that
Dec 03 14:29:15 <RichT23> Vyker: export the text in the sms?
Dec 03 14:29:21 <ronin444> but then it can be installed on the phone too or?
Dec 03 14:29:39 <Vyker> RichT23, export all SMS - text, sender, timestamp etc.
Dec 03 14:29:58 <RichT23> ronin444: im sure it can yes...its just a linux box
Dec 03 14:30:08 <ronin444> i saw smth: http://opensource.palm.com/3.0.4/index.html
Dec 03 14:30:13 <RichT23> might not be best compiling stuff on the phone though
Dec 03 14:30:26 <RichT23> i think most people use the emulator for that
Dec 03 14:30:45 <RichT23> i havent done any dev my slef though
Dec 03 14:30:52 <ronin444> so they compile on the emulator and use the binary on the phone?
Dec 03 14:31:07 <RichT23> ronin444: i blieave so yes
Dec 03 14:31:17 <RichT23> but you would have to ask a dev
Dec 03 14:31:19 <RichT23> ;)
Dec 03 14:31:45 <RichT23> Vyker: sorry i dont know
Dec 03 14:31:50 <ronin444> thanks a lot man very nice info
Dec 03 14:32:06 <ronin444> even the root terminal on the phone is reason for me
Dec 03 14:32:11 <RichT23> Vyker: there are normally more experianced people then me around
Dec 03 14:32:23 <RichT23> hehe ronin444 this is what sold me too
Dec 03 14:32:23 <Vyker> thanks RichT23, i'll get there eventually
Dec 03 14:32:33 <Vyker> out of interest, do you have save/restore installed?
Dec 03 14:32:36 <ronin444> RichT23, hahha
Dec 03 14:32:58 <RichT23> Well apart from i had Palm phones for meny years and loved them
Dec 03 14:33:31 <RichT23> Vyker: no i do not
Dec 03 14:34:45 <ollie_> any ideas as to why predate would disappear from my touchpad?
Dec 03 14:34:58 <ollie_> preware*
Dec 03 14:40:51 <ronin444> how can they do the pre3 with only 8GB flash, the processor seems amazing 1,4GHz
Dec 03 14:41:11 <RichT23> ya =(
Dec 03 14:41:25 <RichT23> they should of made them at least 16
Dec 03 14:41:37 <RichT23> or solved the problem with a microsd card
Dec 03 14:42:04 <ronin444> yes isn't there one with at least 16
Dec 03 14:42:53 <ronin444> and that would be ok if there was a card slot for let say 16 or 32 more
Dec 03 14:44:08 <ronin444> hmmm I think pre2 sounds better for me and 1GHz on a smartphone man, what are we talking about
Dec 03 14:44:54 <RichT23> hehe =)
Dec 03 15:50:16 <Brybry> ronin444: typically you cross-compile (using gcc) for ARM/the devices and the emulator is used for testing
Dec 03 15:51:35 <ronin444> Brybry, thanks so compiled packages for ARM will work on the phone?
Dec 03 15:54:17 <Brybry> I guess yes? that's how all C/C++ apps are written for it
Dec 03 15:54:42 <Brybry> if you're asking if every linux package/library will ARM support will run, I don't really know
Dec 03 15:55:07 <Brybry> s/will/with/
Dec 03 15:55:08 <infobot> Brybry meant: if you're asking if every linux package/library with ARM support will run, I don't really know
Dec 03 15:56:58 <ronin444> i think i already like the phone so much i can not resist any more
Dec 03 15:57:01 <ronin444> :D
Dec 03 15:57:50 <ronin444> and there is no things such as this htc ciq (carrier iq) that tracks the ppl?
Dec 03 16:03:36 <Brybry> shouldn't have Carrier IQ stuff but I dunno if any of the normal logging gets uploaded to HP or the cell provider (I don't own a webos phone)
Dec 03 16:04:45 <ronin444> thanks anyway :)
Dec 03 19:44:06 <Mousey> hi
Dec 03 19:44:17 <Mousey> from my TOUCHPAD1
Dec 03 19:44:30 <Mousey> 1=!
Dec 03 19:44:44 * Mousey huggles wirc
Dec 03 19:45:22 <Mousey> wasn't there an app for switchingnbrowser user
Dec 03 19:45:34 <Mousey> user-agents, once upon a time?
Dec 03 21:30:47 <searchfirst> anyone have advice on hp touchpad trying to doctor failed, used cmd line and found an error "device isnt running the ramdisk as expected"
Dec 03 21:46:28 <rwhitby> ronin444: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Optware
Dec 03 21:46:53 <rwhitby> ronin444: no carrieriq, and the hp logging can be disabled easily
Dec 03 21:48:25 <mscoolnerd> hey rwhitby do you know how I could contact the maintainer of the message plugins project?
Dec 03 21:54:45 <rwhitby> precentral thread I expect
Dec 03 21:55:31 <ronin444> rwhitby, thanks man
Dec 03 21:57:07 <mscoolnerd> hm... ok thanks
Dec 03 22:06:20 <PaNeL> ronin444 have you decided for webOS ?
Dec 03 22:08:19 <PaNeL> rwhitby I think that is not possible to use O2 webOS doctor to ATT Veer  or .... ?
Dec 03 22:10:59 <rwhitby> not directly, no. with meta-doctor you can, and there are specific meta-scripts to do so
Dec 03 22:11:46 <PaNeL> ok, thanks and what was button for USB mode ? volume down + power ?
Dec 03 22:12:06 <rwhitby> it's on the recovery wiki page
Dec 03 22:12:13 <PaNeL> ok
Dec 03 22:12:16 <PaNeL> will look
Dec 03 22:12:18 <PaNeL> thanks
Dec 03 22:12:24 <rwhitby> oh, usb mode or recovery mode?
Dec 03 22:13:12 <PaNeL> recovery, because on veer cannot remove battery
Dec 03 22:13:23 <PaNeL> i want to webos doctor
Dec 03 22:13:50 <rwhitby> ok
Dec 03 22:14:46 <PaNeL> yes, got it, thanks
Dec 03 22:21:39 <wrea> got pulse modules for the veer, etc built. Just gotta test to see if they load now
Dec 03 22:32:23 <ronin444> PaNeL, yes i have already i wanted to buy the one on amazon, but its gone now :( and i was like wtf
Dec 03 22:32:48 <ronin444> so now on amazon there is one used for 180 euros but i want new one
Dec 03 22:33:25 <ronin444> then i checked hp.de but they do not sell it
Dec 03 22:33:56 <ronin444> and i am looking now for other places
Dec 03 22:34:24 <ronin444> i will check some local shops here and there maybe i will have some luck
Dec 03 22:34:32 <PaNeL> you don't like ebay ?
Dec 03 22:34:42 <ronin444> i like but i want new phone
Dec 03 22:34:53 <ronin444> there is no new on ebay.de
Dec 03 22:34:55 <rwhitby> ronin444: webOS phones are discontinued. You won't buy one from HP/Palm.
Dec 03 22:35:32 <ronin444> yeah sadly these guys are crazy there
Dec 03 22:35:51 <ronin444> like the ones in nokia all are going nuts
Dec 03 22:37:30 <PaNeL> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-HP-PALM-PRE-2-16GB-FACTORY-UNLOCKED-SMARTPHONE-UK-Version-EU-UMTS-/190585679157?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item2c5fcaad35
Dec 03 22:37:43 <PaNeL> here's one from US, but UK version
Dec 03 22:37:56 <PaNeL> for 172 EUR with touchstone
Dec 03 22:40:04 <ronin444> PaNeL, it says shipping free and also shipping to europe hmm
Dec 03 22:40:59 <PaNeL> it's $43 to Slovakia
Dec 03 22:41:02 <PaNeL> postage
Dec 03 22:41:47 <ronin444> i need to germany
Dec 03 22:42:07 <PaNeL> it's same
Dec 03 22:42:09 <PaNeL> pric
Dec 03 22:42:10 <PaNeL> e
Dec 03 22:42:13 <PaNeL> 43
Dec 03 22:42:49 <PaNeL> when you open "Shipping and payments" tab
Dec 03 22:42:53 <ronin444> just saw too
Dec 03 22:43:21 <ronin444> i wasn't seeing it cos i use no script, but then i allowed the site
Dec 03 22:43:31 <PaNeL> :)
Dec 03 22:44:47 <ronin444> yeah i will fist check some shops here but i will bookmark this
Dec 03 22:45:16 <ronin444> 35 euros or so only for shipping .... :)
Dec 03 22:46:57 <PaNeL> i had ordered another touchstone for $12 and shipping was $18
Dec 03 22:46:59 <PaNeL> :)
Dec 03 22:47:45 <ronin444> ouch :D
Dec 03 22:48:16 <PaNeL> I have find out that I have big hands for my Veer
Dec 03 22:48:24 <ronin444> haha
Dec 03 22:49:07 <PaNeL> when I'm holding it
Dec 03 22:49:20 <PaNeL> sometimes it will recall last number
Dec 03 22:49:36 <PaNeL> I'm touching around display
Dec 03 22:50:22 <ronin444> what does this touchstone do
Dec 03 22:50:49 <PaNeL> contact less charging
Dec 03 22:50:59 <ronin444> i saw a vid that one guy was putting it in his car and it was switching automagically
Dec 03 22:51:26 <ronin444> looool
Dec 03 22:51:57 <ronin444> with induced voltage
Dec 03 22:57:33 <PaNeL> ronin444 here's my old pre+ http://www.flickr.com/photos/70708683@N03/
Dec 03 22:59:01 <ronin444> it looks very nice
Dec 03 22:59:23 <PaNeL> was very beauty phone
Dec 03 22:59:27 <ronin444> i can buy pre plus new one cheap
Dec 03 22:59:40 <ronin444> thats how i start looking for palm
Dec 03 23:00:04 <PaNeL> but it have plastic display cover
Dec 03 23:00:18 <ronin444> http://handyshop.simyo.de/handys/palm.htm
Dec 03 23:00:19 <PaNeL> and after time there are a lot of scratches
Dec 03 23:00:36 <PaNeL> on pre2 is gorilla glass
Dec 03 23:00:38 <ronin444> i don't care about scratches
Dec 03 23:00:48 <PaNeL> ok
Dec 03 23:00:52 <ronin444> but now i want pre 2
Dec 03 23:00:58 <PaNeL> hehe
Dec 03 23:00:59 <ronin444> cos its faster :)
Dec 03 23:01:04 <PaNeL> is really better
Dec 03 23:01:05 <PaNeL> faster
Dec 03 23:01:35 <ronin444> i will try to find here before i buy it from overseas
Dec 03 23:01:46 <PaNeL> yes
Dec 03 23:02:59 <ronin444> and you guys have done so much for development
Dec 03 23:04:48 <ronin444> and the powerfull gnu/linux kernel inside
Dec 03 23:04:58 <ronin444> how can hp abandon such thing
Dec 03 23:05:17 <PaNeL> webos-internals team is great
Dec 03 23:06:17 <ronin444> from what i have already seen i am impressed
Dec 03 23:06:40 <Brybry> I'm not sure HP has much of a choice at this point on abandoning it
Dec 03 23:07:50 <Brybry> probably the smartest business thing would be to sell it and write the whole thing off as a super expensive business venture/risk
Dec 03 23:08:13 <Brybry> well, unless they could get other companies to make devices for webos
Dec 03 23:08:58 <Brybry> which will probably never happen
Dec 03 23:09:26 <ronin444> don't you think they can make money out of it
Dec 03 23:10:02 <ronin444> i saw several reviews of the phone (pre 2) all were very good
Dec 03 23:10:18 <ronin444> so the user experience is good ppl like it
Dec 03 23:11:00 <ronin444> if something is good it will sell
Dec 03 23:11:01 <rwhitby> Brybry: HP has devalued it so much that no-one will buy it as a mobile OS.
Dec 03 23:11:41 <ronin444> and if it has reasonable price it will sell mad
Dec 03 23:12:15 <ronin444> look what is going on with the new kindle
Dec 03 23:13:14 <ronin444> it is just my opinion, but i am really wondering what ppl do and why
Dec 03 23:14:19 <rwhitby> webOS is technically the best mobile OS. it also has the least apps. HP did not solve the second problem, therefore the first is irrelevant.
Dec 03 23:14:59 <rwhitby> (as a mobile consumer device OS that is)
Dec 03 23:15:32 <ronin444> i read this in some of the reviews
Dec 03 23:17:56 <ronin444> to me this sounds a bit like this joke that windows has a million options and you only need 6, and linux does only this six options, but superb :D
Dec 03 23:22:18 <scorche> hrm - any reason why i shouldnt get this? http://1saleaday.com/wireless/
Dec 03 23:24:01 <scorche> oh wait - sprint - nevermind  =/
Dec 03 23:24:47 <wrea> always good to read before buying
Dec 03 23:25:03 <ronin444> what do you mean, is it with contract?
Dec 03 23:25:23 <scorche> they say unlocked, but sprint is CDMA like verizon...
Dec 03 23:26:00 <ronin444> what is CDMA
Dec 03 23:26:55 <ronin444> they are providers(internet/communications)? like o2, vodafone
Dec 03 23:28:25 <Brybry> not all providers use the same wireless standards
Dec 03 23:29:53 <ronin444> aha, i like their deal save 76% ...86%...95% it just numbers for them why not save 100000% as next deal :D
Dec 03 23:30:02 <ronin444> good night/day to all i have to get up early tomorrow
Dec 03 23:32:57 <Brybry> In a PDK app is there an easy way to grab the size of the onscreen keyboard? (or short of easy could hackily pull it from somewhere where luna stores the keyboard size pref or would the jail prevent that?)
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