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Dec 08 03:32:50 <rwhitby> I assume you've already used Lumberjack to look for error messages in the logs ...
Dec 08 03:33:21 <rwhitby> summatusmentis: yes, but I'm not going to tell someone where it is so that they can then go and touch it ... ;)
Dec 08 03:46:17 * summatusmentis pokes random directories, then asks rwhitby about them
Dec 08 04:21:40 <wrea> lol
Dec 08 05:05:16 <Saijin_Naib> any way to get my OpenSSH daemon to start properly on my Pixi?
Dec 08 05:05:21 <Saijin_Naib> it worked great until I restarted the device
Dec 08 05:09:43 <wrea> Think I can get avahi and the pulse modules to work on 1.4.x now
Dec 08 05:14:19 <Saijin_Naib> the Pulse modules are what, the protocol supports for the pulse-audio service right?
Dec 08 05:15:33 <wrea> yeah
Dec 08 05:16:02 <wrea> for streaming to another pulse instance on the network or rtp, etc
Dec 08 05:16:19 <Saijin_Naib> I dont know what I'd use it for, but more is better
Dec 08 05:16:51 <Saijin_Naib> im jjust strulggling with SSH so I can get all the images i need to complete my theme
Dec 08 05:16:58 <Saijin_Naib> never should have restarted it :'(
Dec 08 05:17:11 <wrea> with the pre3 and tp, it includes raop for streaming to airtunes
Dec 08 05:19:25 <Saijin_Naib> oh, for appletv use?
Dec 08 05:20:52 <wrea> Not compatible with the newer AirPlay stuff
Dec 08 05:21:17 <wrea> The Airport and Airport Express are the only ones afaik
Dec 08 05:21:22 <Saijin_Naib> Ah, can't have everything I suppose. I prefer regular uPnP myself or SMB but whatevs
Dec 08 05:21:47 <Saijin_Naib> I'm honesly kinda shocked webos doens't have native uPnP/SMB support, especially with the whole "enterprise" aspect they pushed for it
Dec 08 05:22:50 <wrea> I could do upnp through pulseaudio with rygel, but i dunno how well it'd work or if itd be worth the time
Dec 08 05:23:13 <Saijin_Naib> There already is KalemSoft which sort of does that, sometimes if it feels like working
Dec 08 05:23:27 <Saijin_Naib> I'd say you're best off getting important things to work that can work
Dec 08 05:23:31 <Saijin_Naib> messing about comes later :P
Dec 08 05:23:51 <Saijin_Naib> i'm about to ssh my foot into my pixi's posterior in a minute
Dec 08 06:03:43 <Saijin_Naib> anyone here have openssh workign on their webos device properly?
Dec 08 06:34:05 <dwc-> which of the suggested possible fixes have you tried from the wiki page
Dec 08 06:34:18 <Saijin_Naib> basically everything
Dec 08 06:34:36 <Saijin_Naib> I read the fix that stated that there was something wrong with the start script that prevented it from loading properly, so i re-ran that
Dec 08 06:34:56 <Saijin_Naib> edited and then attempted to re-run the "start mobi.optware.openssh" line
Dec 08 06:35:16 <Saijin_Naib> it loads then stops wiht a code 127, so the SSH daemon never gets started fully
Dec 08 06:35:36 <Saijin_Naib> I chmod'ded the key files, so that error is gone (that is the first error I got when I tried to invoke SSHD manually)
Dec 08 06:36:13 <dwc-> what shows up in /var/log/messages
Dec 08 06:36:40 <Saijin_Naib> moment, i recreated SSH keys and am USBing them over
Dec 08 06:37:06 <Saijin_Naib> it worked flawless until i restarted the device :C
Dec 08 06:40:21 <Saijin_Naib> it hasn't recovered from being ejected yet -__-
Dec 08 06:44:59 <Saijin_Naib> there she is
Dec 08 06:47:13 <Saijin_Naib> now internals wont launch, this thing is such a mess
Dec 08 06:48:49 <dwc-> just connect with novacom
Dec 08 06:55:03 <Saijin_Naib> okay, it has restarted finally
Dec 08 06:55:36 <dwc-> the sshd?
Dec 08 06:55:41 <Saijin_Naib> the whole device
Dec 08 06:55:44 <Saijin_Naib> it was wiggy
Dec 08 06:56:13 <Saijin_Naib> what am i looking for in specific?
Dec 08 06:56:25 <dwc-> things related to sshd startup and failure
Dec 08 06:57:15 <dwc-> should have 'sshd' in there somewhere
Dec 08 06:57:40 <dwc-> basically, if nothing in the logs suggests anything, determine
Dec 08 06:57:55 <dwc-> (a) if the service starts up after boot [problem with boot then]
Dec 08 06:58:23 <dwc-> (b) if not, does the sshd start up if you invoke it manually from the shell
Dec 08 06:58:27 <Saijin_Naib> the logs show me exactly what terminal shows me when i try to invoke it
Dec 08 06:58:58 <dwc-> what exactly does it say
Dec 08 06:59:12 <Saijin_Naib> start: waiting, starting, pre-start
Dec 08 06:59:14 <Saijin_Naib> then it goes
Dec 08 06:59:29 <Saijin_Naib> stop: pre-start, stopping, killed, post-stop, waiting
Dec 08 06:59:41 <Saijin_Naib> then mobi.optware.openssh pre-start process terminated with status 127
Dec 08 07:00:29 <dwc-> is this with the default upstart script or your changed one?
Dec 08 07:01:14 <Saijin_Naib> the one i changed from instructions here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenSSH_Install
Dec 08 07:02:17 <Saijin_Naib> it reads thusly
Dec 08 07:02:24 <Saijin_Naib> description "OpenSSH Daemon"
Dec 08 07:02:33 <Saijin_Naib> #start on started LunaSysMgr
Dec 08 07:02:40 <Saijin_Naib> #stop on started start_update
Dec 08 07:02:57 <Saijin_Naib> #start on stopped finish and started org.webosinternals.optware
Dec 08 07:03:09 <Saijin_Naib> #start on runlevel [!2]
Dec 08 07:03:20 <Saijin_Naib> #stop on runlevel [!2] rather
Dec 08 07:03:25 <Saijin_Naib> start on stopped finish
Dec 08 07:03:39 <Saijin_Naib> # and started org.webosinternals.optware
Dec 08 07:03:56 <Saijin_Naib> #Stop when the Software Update tool is about to install an update.
Dec 08 07:04:11 <Saijin_Naib> #upstart restarts the job when installation is complete.
Dec 08 07:04:19 <dwc-> so the part under it, what does the /opt/sbin/sshd -D part say
Dec 08 07:04:23 <Saijin_Naib> stop on started start_update
Dec 08 07:05:15 <Saijin_Naib> exec /opt/sbin/sshd -D -p 22 -o "PasswordAuthentication no" -o "PermitRootLogin without-password"
Dec 08 07:05:45 <Saijin_Naib> it also has an uncommented line of console none
Dec 08 07:05:52 <dwc-> and what happens if you run that, sans the "exec" keyword at the shell
Dec 08 07:06:00 <dwc-> can you ssh in or does it spit an error at you
Dec 08 07:06:59 <Saijin_Naib> running that now
Dec 08 07:07:54 <Saijin_Naib> it is thinking I suppose, hard to tell in term
Dec 08 07:08:04 <dwc-> if it's not spitting an error at you, can you ssh in
Dec 08 07:08:19 <Saijin_Naib> shouldn't it say a started message or similar?
Dec 08 07:08:29 <dwc-> no, -D starts it in the foreground
Dec 08 07:08:32 <Saijin_Naib> winSCP says host does not exist
Dec 08 07:08:48 <dwc-> are you connecting to it by name or by ip?
Dec 08 07:08:59 <Saijin_Naib> IP, it won't keep the hostname I use for it :|
Dec 08 07:09:12 <Saijin_Naib> plus it appears to not be reporting a hostname, my router has a blank for its hostname field
Dec 08 07:09:33 <dwc-> if you're connecting by IP, why do you get "host does not exist"
Dec 08 07:09:44 <Saijin_Naib> if I knew that :\
Dec 08 07:10:49 <Saijin_Naib> now its just throwing network error, connection timed out
Dec 08 07:11:00 <Saijin_Naib> which leads me to believe the sshd either hasn't started, or its just ignoring my connection
Dec 08 07:13:51 <Saijin_Naib> if i status mobi.optware.openssh it just says (stop) waiting
Dec 08 07:14:07 <dwc-> ^C the sshd
Dec 08 07:14:11 <dwc-> run
Dec 08 07:14:11 <dwc-> /usr/sbin/iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
Dec 08 07:14:20 <dwc-> and then run the sshd again... add -d this time to the end
Dec 08 07:15:49 <dwc-> and then try ssh'ing again
Dec 08 07:17:20 <Saijin_Naib> says bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0
Dec 08 07:17:23 <Saijin_Naib> that can't be right, can it?
Dec 08 07:17:28 <dwc-> no, that's right
Dec 08 07:18:06 <Saijin_Naib> hm, it wont listen to SCP only SFTP
Dec 08 07:18:41 <dwc-> try using just plain ssh, no scp or sftp
Dec 08 07:20:30 <Saijin_Naib> putty let me in over SSH, after i restarted the daemon
Dec 08 07:20:37 <Saijin_Naib> however, its asking for a root password which I never set
Dec 08 07:20:47 <dwc-> you need to be using a key
Dec 08 07:22:26 <Saijin_Naib> alright, it let me in
Dec 08 07:22:34 <Saijin_Naib> i apparently have to restart the sshd every time I close a connection
Dec 08 07:22:39 <Saijin_Naib> that is not expected behavior, is it?
Dec 08 07:23:00 <dwc-> that is expected, because running it that way is for debugging
Dec 08 07:23:15 <Saijin_Naib> oh. herpderp
Dec 08 07:23:58 <Saijin_Naib> i started it with no arguments, I'm going to see if it works properly
Dec 08 07:24:26 <Saijin_Naib> command "groups" failed with return code 127 and error message -sh: groups: not found
Dec 08 07:25:12 <dwc-> groups not existing is expected, but I have no idea why you have something trying to run it
Dec 08 07:25:29 <Saijin_Naib> would me using winSCP have anything to do with that?
Dec 08 07:25:34 <dwc-> perhaps
Dec 08 07:25:41 <dwc-> go back to putty
Dec 08 07:25:52 <dwc-> I have no idea what winscp tries to do when it logs in
Dec 08 07:26:53 <Saijin_Naib> hm, i didnt get that message this time
Dec 08 07:27:02 <Saijin_Naib> turned of an option in winSCP to query groups
Dec 08 07:29:08 <Saijin_Naib> alright, it is running now
Dec 08 07:29:11 <Saijin_Naib> thanks :)
Dec 08 07:29:17 <Saijin_Naib> what is up with my start script?
Dec 08 07:29:29 <dwc-> dunno
Dec 08 07:29:38 <dwc-> 127 is usually the error code for "I couldn't find that program"
Dec 08 07:29:54 <rwhitby> is /opt mounted ?
Dec 08 07:29:58 <Saijin_Naib> Did I write or comment something wrong? I was careful...
Dec 08 07:30:19 <dwc-> if you edited the file with internalz, I'd suggest making sure it's got unix line endings (not sure if upstart cares)
Dec 08 07:31:43 <dwc-> my touchpad has "start on started LunaSysMgr" and it seems to be ok
Dec 08 07:32:24 <Saijin_Naib> you may be a genius
Dec 08 07:32:31 <Saijin_Naib> i had internalz set to win newline format
Dec 08 07:32:35 * rwhitby notices stuff in the beta-optware dir ...
Dec 08 07:32:45 <rwhitby> maybe I should release that stuff to public one day
Dec 08 07:32:58 <Saijin_Naib> rwhitby, is it cool stuff?
Dec 08 07:33:20 <rwhitby> ah, just empty dirs. I did release it.
Dec 08 07:33:20 <dwc-> my phone had on org.webosinternals.something before, but it looks like I updated it at some point since it has lunasysmgr now too
Dec 08 07:34:01 <Saijin_Naib> dwc, I don't suppose just opening and re-saving the file will change its newline format, will it?
Dec 08 07:34:09 <Saijin_Naib> is that something I can check via terminal?
Dec 08 07:34:22 <dwc-> I don't know... I don't normally use internalz
Dec 08 07:35:02 <Saijin_Naib> ah, a textmode person :P
Dec 08 07:35:02 <rwhitby> dos line endings as default for Internalz has to be one of the stupidest decisions made by a developer ever
Dec 08 07:35:20 <Saijin_Naib> haha, it seems odd for an app that operates exclusively in a Unix environment, doesn't it?
Dec 08 07:35:32 <rwhitby> s/odd/completely ludicrous/
Dec 08 07:35:34 <dwc-> I don't know... it's probably more right if you're editing files on /media/internal ;)
Dec 08 07:36:00 <Saijin_Naib> That is true dwc. Wait, would endline format prevent a .patch file from installing right?
Dec 08 07:36:10 <dwc-> quite possibly
Dec 08 07:36:15 <Saijin_Naib> >_<
Dec 08 07:36:19 <rwhitby> dos line endings will cause most things to fail
Dec 08 07:36:29 <dwc-> it needs to match the source file
Dec 08 07:37:02 <dwc-> if the source file is dos, the .patch needs to have a nice mix of unix (for the patch metadata) and dos (for the context part, if applicable)
Dec 08 07:37:10 <Saijin_Naib> that is slightly alarming news
Dec 08 07:38:20 <Saijin_Naib> also rwhitby, I can't edit the Research portal to put up my guide on making permanent webOS 2.x apps live on the 1.x platform
Dec 08 07:38:24 <rwhitby> well, if you're using the right tools (e.g. "diff"), it will do the right thing automatically
Dec 08 07:38:33 <rwhitby> Saijin_Naib: what is you wiki username?
Dec 08 07:38:55 <Saijin_Naib> Saijin_Naib, you gave me write access a few days back to write that up. I can enter edit mode, but it complains and tells me to log back in
Dec 08 07:39:48 <Saijin_Naib> Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. / Because WebOS Internals has raw HTML enabled, the preview is hidden as a precaution against JavaScript attacks. / If this is a legitimate edit attempt, please try again. / If it still does not work, try logging out and logging back in.
Dec 08 07:40:12 <rwhitby> sounds like you left your session open longer than the cookie timeout
Dec 08 07:40:44 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 08 07:40:53 <Saijin_Naib> rwhitby is also a genius.
Dec 08 07:41:00 <Saijin_Naib> I'm having a very humbling evening
Dec 08 08:55:40 <Saijin_Naib> yay, the wiki has begun! Now time for the obsessive screenshotting to begin :|
Dec 08 10:39:12 <cd> hello
Dec 08 10:40:52 <bnceo> sup sup
Dec 08 14:02:31 <DMeister-IT> Hi
Dec 08 14:03:09 <DMeister-IT> I need of Whatsapp for webOS, someone can help me?
Dec 08 14:32:32 <Dino901> Using Preware on HP Touchpad I can not download and install Xterm.  Xserver installs without a problem, but Xterm shows "Transferred 2520/2520" but never completes the install.  Any suggestions?
Dec 08 14:41:38 <dtzWill> Dino901: try again? :/
Dec 08 14:43:01 <Dino901> :-( Have done so multiple times
Dec 08 14:43:30 <Dino901> Can repeatedly install and uninstall Xserver though
Dec 08 15:34:50 <dwc-> reboot, then try again?
Dec 08 17:44:23 <Lamez> Hello everybody. May I acquire help?
Dec 08 17:44:51 <Lamez> My question is geared more towards Linux rather than my pre.
Dec 08 17:50:14 <dwc-> perhaps...
Dec 08 17:50:15 <Lamez> I will go ahead and ask. I was installing prefox on my phone, when I accidentley instead installed it on my OS. Now when I try installing or removing packages I get this error: "(Reading database ... 95%dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting:  files list file for package `com.fractalbrew.prefox' contains empty filename E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) " Any ideas on how to fix this?
Dec 08 18:16:46 <dwc-> dpkg -P packagename
Dec 08 19:00:20 <ruumis> http://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/android-4-0-being-readied-to-run-on-the-hp-touchpad/
Dec 08 19:01:58 <Saijin_Naib> All the apps and none of the functionality that makes webOS so nice to use
Dec 08 19:02:02 <Saijin_Naib> ah well, can't have everything :C
Dec 08 19:55:17 <resistivecorpse> is anyone here farmiliar with the remove android tool in preware?
Dec 08 19:55:30 <resistivecorpse>  will it accomplish the same thing as the acmeuninstaller or will the android partitions still exsist afterwards?
Dec 08 19:56:12 <resistivecorpse> nevermind, i got it :)
Dec 08 20:07:46 <PuffTheMagic> Saijin_Naib, at least android has a future
Dec 08 20:39:42 <Frost> I'm quite sure I've seen someone talk about it, but is there a way of accessing the copy/paste-buffer using luna-send?
Dec 08 20:42:23 <Saijin_Naib> I suppose Puff. Doesn't make it a better OS though
Dec 08 20:44:04 <PuffTheMagic> Saijin_Naib, i'd say that an OS that you can actually use on a phone is better than one that you cant
Dec 08 20:46:08 <jtrucks> I just wish I hadn't had to flash a custom ROM on my phone in order to make it work better... if it was webOS, I'd just go tweak it out however I wanted.
Dec 08 20:58:20 <bhutten> Just received my second HP Veer
Dec 08 20:58:43 <bhutten> The first one has a broken speaker
Dec 08 20:59:12 <bhutten> Any tips on how to repear that?
Dec 08 21:23:27 <Saijin_Naib> What prevents you from using webos?
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