**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 10 02:59:56 2011 Dec 10 03:00:23 then the skype accound does not show up on my account list Dec 10 03:02:05 pastebin the output with your command Dec 10 03:02:31 how do I do that? Dec 10 03:02:58 pastebin.com Dec 10 03:03:49 where do I put it in the command? Dec 10 03:05:50 open it in your browser Dec 10 03:05:59 copy paste Dec 10 03:15:41 ok so I made the paste Dec 10 03:16:15 now what? Dec 10 03:16:40 put the url here Dec 10 03:17:32 ipkg-pastebin.com Dec 10 03:18:16 wait I did it on my phone browser, rigth? Dec 10 03:20:18 what? Dec 10 03:21:27 I typed the pastebin.com into my phone's browser Dec 10 03:21:41 and make a "paste" called ipkg Dec 10 03:22:23 the url for that would be http://ipkg-pastebin.com Dec 10 03:23:32 that doesn't work for anyone Dec 10 03:23:39 it should have a url Dec 10 03:23:47 pastebin/com/someletterstring Dec 10 03:25:44 http://pastebin.com/uPUUNhTW Dec 10 03:27:45 where's the output? Dec 10 03:28:38 Oh .. how do I copy the output? Dec 10 03:30:33 I usually do things frm novatcom or sshd in, so it's easy to do such things Dec 10 03:31:22 still need to figure out why i cant novaterm into my veer Dec 10 03:35:51 wrea, were you the one having issues with it the other night? You'ved tried different cables/etc right? Dec 10 03:37:41 yeah, two different cables Dec 10 03:37:51 and in dev mode, of course Dec 10 03:37:54 stupid magnetic veer cqbles Dec 10 03:38:22 :C Are they fidgety enough that I should reconsider my choice to replace my Pixi+ with one? Dec 10 03:38:44 grabbed a veer doctor, verified the nova is new enoug? Dec 10 03:39:28 I can't remember if I had the tp or pre2 doctors or whatevers nova Dec 10 03:39:42 try a diff comp? Dec 10 03:41:19 nova is new enough and i havent tried another comp, but i can novaterm fine into my tp on here Dec 10 03:45:28 God I hate the Veer usb cable Dec 10 03:45:46 I screwed up doctoring about 5 times because of it's flimsyness Dec 10 03:56:27 * DougReeder waves hello Dec 10 03:56:38 i broke my touchpad’s cable because of how stupid the port is on that thing Dec 10 03:56:40 being angled down Dec 10 03:59:27 bummer Dec 10 04:01:42 anyone know where do I put the unlock code for a Veer? Dec 10 04:02:30 i think a prompt comes up when you put in a non-att sim? Dec 10 04:02:54 sorry, dunno Dec 10 04:03:31 does it have to be a US SIM? Dec 10 04:03:39 I got a Sim for another countryy Dec 10 04:03:54 i dont think it'll matter Dec 10 04:05:18 any sim Dec 10 04:06:57 And I heard somewhere that if your Veer is unlocked, you can't get 4G using a 4G AT&T sim anymore? Dec 10 04:07:06 or is that just malarky Dec 10 04:07:45 sounds like malarky Dec 10 04:07:52 wtf is a malarky Dec 10 04:08:37 interesting Dec 10 04:08:56 wow. the unlock code that I was given by AT&T doesn't work Dec 10 04:09:34 malarky is a nice way to say B S Dec 10 04:09:55 ohhhh Dec 10 04:09:59 i read it with the wrong emphasis Dec 10 04:12:50 bnceo`, http://dogber1.blogspot.com/2011/07/unlocker-for-palm-pre-gsm-phones.html Dec 10 04:13:09 too complicated Dec 10 04:13:22 I'm not that well skilled Dec 10 04:15:58 unless I said it to you and you do it for me. Lol Dec 10 04:17:41 You on windows? Dec 10 04:19:02 yup Dec 10 04:19:06 win 7 64 bit Dec 10 04:19:43 I don't have to unlock it now. No rush. I just want to unlock it in case I decide to ship it to family overseas Dec 10 04:19:51 I already plan to do that with another Veer Dec 10 04:21:15 well, the instructions are pretty clear Dec 10 04:23:03 see, I sorta agree with you Dec 10 04:23:15 but if I can get it legitly, without messing with it, I rather do it that way Dec 10 04:23:52 yeah, if you can get a working code throguh att, that'd be ideal Dec 10 04:24:30 and apparently, they did give me one, just the wrong one tho. Haha Dec 10 04:25:06 Isn't ATT the greatest? :P Dec 10 04:25:25 haha, so far, that's been my only hiccup Dec 10 04:25:33 granted, I've only been a customer for 4-5 dyas Dec 10 04:25:34 days* Dec 10 04:34:53 Can I cross-compile a kernel from OS X? Or would I need to adapt the setup? Dec 10 04:35:18 That is, can I do webOS kernel dev on OS X? Dec 10 04:45:25 DougReeder, you could adapt the WIDK setup on OSX. I believe people use scratchbox on it fine Dec 10 04:47:40 WIDK, ok Dec 10 04:48:19 is scratchbox like busybox Dec 10 04:48:51 ? Dec 10 04:49:44 its a cross compiling environment Dec 10 04:54:04 Okay, there's a flaw in webos, or at least in wirc - it,s Dec 10 04:54:28 ...it's too easy to toss a card away, when you want to scroll it. Dec 10 04:59:50 so dead in here Dec 10 05:00:42 was active before Dec 10 05:00:52 plus, it's 12am on a fri/sat in the east Dec 10 05:00:57 we geeks gotta party Dec 10 05:01:05 and with that, I go to bed. gnite! Dec 10 05:01:46 * DougReeder hands bnceo his blankie and pillow Dec 10 05:03:17 yeah, its only midnight there, you wimp Dec 10 05:03:21 Party? Bah. I'm still at work. Dec 10 05:30:31 woooo partay! Dec 10 05:33:04 im bored Dec 10 05:33:20 likewise, the alcohol is wearing off and I'm not sure I want to play killing floor anymore Dec 10 05:33:30 did you get your Veer novacom issue sorted? Dec 10 05:33:49 nope Dec 10 05:34:14 but not really urgent Dec 10 05:34:15 Well that is pretty lame Dec 10 05:34:29 I suppose. Is there a faster way to test a skin change on my Pixi other than Luna restart every freakin' time? Dec 10 05:36:18 dunno Dec 10 05:37:05 It makes for an arduous process when skinning Dec 10 05:37:46 I don't think there is Dec 10 05:39:09 why test on the device? use the emulator Dec 10 05:39:27 Ah, okay. I've never used it. Dec 10 05:40:19 i guess i can poke around gstreamer for fun Dec 10 05:40:51 Rwhitby, I've not forgotten about the wiki instructions. I'm working on making screenshots and the like for the tutorial. If I can even embed them Dec 10 05:48:23 bnceo`: wait, AT&T gave you a code? I thought people had been getting told they had no codes for veers Dec 10 05:48:49 they've been giving them out, afaik Dec 10 05:49:00 it was in a thread on P|C Dec 10 05:49:16 http://dogber1.blogspot.com/2011/07/unlocker-for-palm-pre-gsm-phones.html Dec 10 05:49:20 Worked excellent on mah pixi Dec 10 05:49:24 huh. well shoot, I'll take that over a dogbert unlock over a digitalunlock then Dec 10 05:50:46 polaboy Dec 10 05:51:03 wrong window :/ Dec 10 05:53:14 is that like soulja boy, but polish? Dec 10 05:53:18 because I hope so Dec 10 05:53:39 haha Dec 10 05:53:58 man there is a yearly fee to be a developer? Dec 10 05:54:11 no Dec 10 05:55:22 depends on what you read... Dec 10 05:55:33 I think the current status is "for a limited time, no" Dec 10 05:55:40 ah oaky Dec 10 05:55:46 (but if you commit to doing OSS stuff it's supposedly always free?) Dec 10 05:55:49 it said for a limited time only, which is beyond vague Dec 10 05:55:51 I bet that changes "in the coming months" >_> Dec 10 05:55:58 Haha, I have to update java, brb Dec 10 05:55:59 i thought it was free, then pay, then they refunded everyone and went free Dec 10 05:56:04 only bad thing about leafchat :C Dec 10 05:56:07 Saijin_Naib: it's said "for a limited time" for years Dec 10 05:56:17 haha :D Oh PalmTime, even better than ValveTime Dec 10 05:56:17 some pages have said free Dec 10 05:56:23 some have said "for a limited time" Dec 10 05:56:47 probably if it took off they might consider charging Dec 10 05:56:54 might have considered Dec 10 05:56:56 and the announcement said "now free" Dec 10 06:08:45 VirtualBox required? hah, no thanks Dec 10 06:09:46 required for the emulator Dec 10 06:09:55 not required otherwise Dec 10 06:10:27 Saijin_Naib: you have some objection to using the right tool for the job? Dec 10 06:10:41 yeah, wanted to use the emulator to not have to reboot luna every time i tweak something in my theme Dec 10 06:11:04 I've had issues with Virtualbox's NIC wrapper messing up VPN connections Dec 10 06:11:29 bummer Dec 10 06:11:53 Yes, I found it to be as well. Since it burned me once, I'm really not fond of using it unless absolutely necessary. Dec 10 06:12:23 well, it's your choice Dec 10 06:12:43 you might be able to skip the NIC install part Dec 10 06:13:00 good luck with those luna restarts. they are quicker if you have less apps installed Dec 10 06:13:33 Does patching affect Luna restart speed as well? I'm recently doctored and minimally patched and its quite faster than I seem to recall it though I've not taken metrics yet Dec 10 06:13:45 depends on what you patch Dec 10 06:14:00 Usually everything, literally :P Dec 10 06:14:03 100+ patches easily Dec 10 06:16:34 the patches are just too awesome to not use Dec 10 06:16:49 open source is good news for webos Dec 10 06:18:02 It could be good or bad, depending Dec 10 06:18:22 I'm not entirely convinced its sunshine and rainbows yet, but I'm hopeful Dec 10 06:18:40 no, it's good. whether it's only good for homebrewers, or good for something else, is yet to be determined Dec 10 06:18:59 but there is no downside compared to the viable alternatives Dec 10 06:19:14 The alternatives were what, HP sitting on it forever? Pulling an OS/2 :| Dec 10 06:20:17 rwhitby: yeah makes business sense too, if they're gonna use it for printers for instance anyway it pays for them to have more people using it and submitting patches Dec 10 06:21:09 Am I the only person that wants a printer that doesn't have a screen and touch buttons? Dec 10 06:22:13 a touch screen/buttons is way superior to configuring a network with just + - and nex Dec 10 06:22:17 t Dec 10 06:22:31 USB hasn't failed me yet haha. Dec 10 06:23:27 yeah, I hear USB printers are awesomely convenient for households with multiple laptop computers ... Dec 10 06:23:49 Snarky? Over what? The fact that I have a usecase that doesn't mandate superflous "features"? Dec 10 06:24:10 It sits within 6ft of my desktop and gets used to occasionally scan documents. Dec 10 06:24:59 I have a use case for using windows 3.1. That doesn't mean it's a great idea to market to that use case. Dec 10 06:25:25 that being said, I still use a printer via parallel port Dec 10 06:25:47 I hardly think finding a full touchscreen tablet on a printer is the same as win 3.x, but ecomstation works great if you need full 3.x and DOS 16bit support Dec 10 06:25:49 my home printer doesn't "need" anything fancy... but I hardly ever print anything Dec 10 06:26:42 of course, anyone who has the technical knowledge to get to this channel are not the target market for touchscreens on printers anyway Dec 10 06:26:51 but outside of my personal non-printing and having had to deal with other network printers, including HP's, I can say that jetdirect cards do not give me warm fuzzies Dec 10 06:27:02 That + IRC is a forumla for ludditism :P Dec 10 06:27:39 heck, my phone doesn't need superfluous "features" like sending text messages, a browser, running random apps... it just has to make calls, right? Dec 10 06:27:59 Acutally yes, I'm a big fan of dumbphones. The pixi was only ever for email when I was on campus Dec 10 06:28:09 Now that my a827 died (may it rest in pieces) I'm stuck with the damned thing Dec 10 06:29:00 well then, who cares whether webos runs on printers or phones Dec 10 06:29:30 huh? All I said originally was that I wanted a new printer that wasn't tarted up Dec 10 06:29:49 I don't get how I started this whole diatribe, but apologies all around I suppose Dec 10 06:53:06 crazy news today eh? Dec 10 06:53:12 indeed Dec 10 06:54:17 I'm honestly happy to hear any news at all, but realistically, long term, I think making webos OSS is the best that could have happened Dec 10 06:56:31 i'm curious - i've been wondering if it would be even remotely possible to basically build a wine-like layer for webos that would allow android apps to run. we don't have the full source for webos yet, but eventually all the code needed should be open.. am I crazy? Dec 10 06:57:04 If I remember correctly, I heard that this idea had been poked at once or twice before Dec 10 06:58:56 It does sound amazing, doesn't it? The webOS personality backed up by the expansive Android Marketplace Dec 10 06:59:10 it would probably take a lot of work to get working mostly well, but the rewards would be enourmous after all... Dec 10 06:59:37 that would be something like the dalvik vm Dec 10 06:59:50 I believe there are companies working on that already Dec 10 07:00:11 How did BlackBerry do it on the Playbook? Dec 10 07:00:12 right! i've tried, and I just can't find myself liking android, or even many of the apps on it, but some of them are pretty good, and some oth them are netflix and word with friends :-P Dec 10 07:01:14 Saijin_Naib: my understanding is that the playbook implements a source-level compatible API, but it is not binary compatible, so apps would have to be recompiled Dec 10 07:01:24 but i'm not sure, that's mostly a guess Dec 10 07:03:39 why are we talking about Android Marketplace in the same breath with webos personality? Dec 10 07:04:00 heh Dec 10 07:04:18 i just thought it would be an interesting challenge Dec 10 07:04:54 and actually allow me to use an OS that is useable Dec 10 07:05:34 Hm, that is an interesting method. That still requires developer work, which I would assume they'd want to avoid having people have to recompile Dec 10 07:06:02 right, but what I have read said it would require a recompile Dec 10 07:06:43 so... i would guess that's what they've done. either that, or the API isn't 100% compatible, and the code needs a little tweaking to work Dec 10 07:07:07 are we talking about a webos app or a android app? Dec 10 07:07:33 android app under webos, or more recently how BlackBerry managed to run Android apps on its Playbook Dec 10 07:07:48 a theoretical webos package that would allow running android apps Dec 10 07:08:04 sort of like how wine allows running windows apps on linux Dec 10 07:09:17 not actually running all of android, just implementing / porting over the needed API bits to run apps, without having any of the actual OS Dec 10 07:21:43 Saijin_Naib_, I am able to run Linux Apps on Android devices.. Dec 10 07:22:08 Is that in reply to something in specific I said? Dec 10 07:22:19 the reason I can is that I share the kernel bits (since they are close enough for my purposes), Dec 10 07:22:40 but I bring the libraries I need to make the app run. Dec 10 07:22:56 Ah okay. Well, isn't the android kernel & webos kernel backlevel compared to mainstream dekstop kernel now? Dec 10 07:22:57 and I can use "console" type apps but not GUI types. Dec 10 07:23:15 Right, because there isn't a window manager the GUI apps expect right? Dec 10 07:23:32 party time? webos is foss now :) Dec 10 07:23:41 since the libraries the apps are built against know nothing of the Android GUI Libs Dec 10 07:23:56 it can't really be foss until there's code published ;) Dec 10 07:24:54 Stskeeps, true Dec 10 07:26:13 at least its what they plan to do :) Dec 10 07:26:23 how the hell do I get the emulator to see my 1.4.5 image? Dec 10 07:26:59 herpderp, nevermind Dec 10 07:27:38 virtual pixi! Dec 10 07:27:50 I wonder if it will boot if i give it access to 4 cores and 1gb of RAM :D Dec 10 07:30:42 dualcore 1gb Pixi is nuts! haha Dec 10 07:38:54 so how do i use this emulator to skin? I cna't seem to find an easy way to get files into it Dec 10 07:49:33 where is the CSS for the waev launcher? Dec 10 08:43:29 http://forums.precentral.net/webos-themes/308418-syn-orange-gray.html Dec 10 08:43:33 I've been a busy beaver Dec 10 08:45:23 hah Dec 10 08:45:34 whuts the hah? Dec 10 09:12:32 just trying webos on an emulator for the first time... it's great... hacking linux on this is so much easier than on android! Dec 10 11:46:10 moin Dec 10 12:17:33 hi guys - i`ve just updated my unlocked palm pre 2 to 2.2.4 Dec 10 12:17:45 i have one question Dec 10 12:17:53 should i reinstall preware? Dec 10 12:18:07 no Dec 10 12:18:29 it seems that whole "patch" sections is missing from preware Dec 10 12:18:30 section Dec 10 12:18:40 missing, or empty? Dec 10 12:19:10 mising Dec 10 12:19:19 you now that patches for a new webOS version don't magically appear right? people have to do work to port them. Dec 10 12:19:34 oh ok, sorry i`m kind of noob Dec 10 12:19:50 have you read http://bit.ly/phd-ac ? Dec 10 12:20:27 no Dec 10 12:20:30 i did not Dec 10 12:21:37 but thanks for making that clear to me :) Dec 10 13:54:36 hello Dec 10 14:13:23 Even if 2.2.4 comes out for US Pre2s, I'm not updating until a doctor is available Dec 10 14:15:35 i have pre2 eu and still no update :/ Dec 10 14:15:57 interesting Dec 10 14:16:21 I wonder why the update on the Pre2s. Maybe a contract obligation with a carrier. Who knows Dec 10 14:16:26 just utterly confused on that one Dec 10 14:17:37 i think that will be doctor available soon Dec 10 14:20:20 i'm considering donate webos-internals again in these times Dec 10 14:22:40 if someone was baller, we should start an endowment Dec 10 14:23:18 oh, there's new mobile version of precentral web forums Dec 10 14:52:17 anyone know how to get the IMEI from a Veer without going to dev mode and then going to device info? Dec 10 14:56:55 *#06# Dec 10 14:57:07 on phone Dec 10 14:59:11 got it Dec 10 14:59:23 yeah, AT&T gave me the wrong unlock code Dec 10 14:59:27 how lovely Dec 10 15:03:02 :/ Dec 10 15:12:30 interesting. The Veer doesn't allow me to put in an unlock code anymore when I put in a non-AT&T sim Dec 10 15:12:38 just goes to the regular options Dec 10 15:14:43 anyway I can put in an unlock code besides the First Use app? Dec 10 15:37:59 bnceo`: any time you want to use the non-ATT sim you should be able to put it in, and if sim-locked, it should promptyou Dec 10 16:02:22 ah. IC IC Dec 10 16:03:00 so let's say I activate it via an AT&T SIM. Then I take it out. Put in a foreign sim. Turn on. Then it will prompt me before it loads up nova or anything like that? Dec 10 16:03:09 I mean luna. not nova Dec 10 16:04:08 no, after Dec 10 16:04:15 but before it lets you do much of anything Dec 10 16:04:35 anyways, given the current state of things wrt the catalog, you're better off first-activating on AT&T anyways Dec 10 16:04:56 at least I haven't found any downsides to AT&T Dec 10 17:36:10 hey guys - is it possible to do a hard reboot on a touchpad if it hangs while booted into a ramdisk? Dec 10 17:39:22 try holding the button and the power button for 30s? Dec 10 17:57:21 can anyone here help me install the Wells Fargo apps onto my GSM Pre2 Dec 10 17:57:27 using Impostah that is Dec 10 18:02:00 isn't it in the app catalog? Dec 10 18:02:30 not in the app catalog for the unlocked Pre2 Dec 10 18:02:35 w/'e version that is. 2.1 or w/e Dec 10 18:02:45 ... I have a wells fargo app on my pre2 Dec 10 18:03:21 Is there a problem with you pulling it and sending it to me Dec 10 18:03:30 yes, I don't have redistribution rights Dec 10 18:03:30 or is that a no no here Dec 10 18:03:50 on your phone, http://developer.palm.com/appredirect?packageid=com.wf.wellsfargomobile Dec 10 18:04:07 what does that do Dec 10 18:04:21 my gf is not here now Dec 10 18:04:23 so I don't know Dec 10 18:04:47 I'll use it to send her a text Dec 10 18:05:13 my silly gf wants to switch to her Skyrocket just cause her Pre2 doesn't have the wells fargo app Dec 10 18:06:22 ok. question. I have it on my gf's old frankenPre2. Can you tell me how to pull it from there? Dec 10 18:06:45 no Dec 10 18:07:01 try the link I gave Dec 10 18:07:22 tried. i'll ask the gf is she got a text msg about it Dec 10 18:08:06 ugh Dec 10 18:09:32 or have her go to the link I gave you on the phone Dec 10 18:12:01 is there a patch to permanently disable the phone radio? Dec 10 18:12:20 (not radio toggle) Dec 10 18:12:50 hmm. interesting request Dec 10 18:12:54 why no toggle? Dec 10 18:15:20 for some reason, my pre dosent play well with the toggle patch Dec 10 18:15:30 keeps on re-enabling phone radio Dec 10 18:25:00 aha Dec 10 18:25:02 got it Dec 10 18:25:20 Radio Always Off patch! Dec 10 18:25:27 hey fudg3 Dec 10 18:26:16 hey PatrickC Dec 10 18:26:29 whats up Dec 10 18:26:38 nothin much. hows it goin? Dec 10 18:26:46 pretty well Dec 10 18:27:16 tried webos 2.1 on pixi? Dec 10 18:27:46 nope Dec 10 18:27:50 dont have a pixi anymore Dec 10 18:27:59 got rid of it about 9 months ago Dec 10 18:35:45 :O Dec 10 18:36:08 the pixi was the best cross between a blackberry and iPhone Dec 10 18:36:26 best of both worlds, with the addition of webos :> Dec 10 18:37:20 mine went in 6 times in 5 months for repair. i got offered a free upgraded to a pre :) Dec 10 18:37:47 lol Dec 10 18:37:52 Mine is a bookmark Dec 10 18:37:59 rofl Dec 10 18:38:30 im now the proud owner of all the pre series, so im happy :) Dec 10 18:38:34 just another way the pixi is awesome :3 Dec 10 18:38:43 1st gen pre to 3rd gen? Dec 10 18:38:52 what about the supersecretultrapre? Dec 10 18:39:15 i have at least 3 of every pre model. only 1 pixi Dec 10 18:39:57 i have like 4 pre-, 1 pre+, 2 pre2, and 1 pre3 Dec 10 18:40:45 * halfhalo has 4 TP's, 1 minus, 1 plus, like 10 2's, 3 veers, and 2 3's Dec 10 18:40:45 pass a pre2 my way :3 Dec 10 18:41:02 wow, 10 2's? Dec 10 18:41:03 oh, and i have 4 touchpads Dec 10 18:41:20 and an extra one im shipping to my uncle once i get it fixed up for him :) Dec 10 18:41:28 how do you people get so many? Dec 10 18:41:29 I paid for maybe like 5 devices total Dec 10 18:43:05 * dwc- has but 3 phones and 1 tp Dec 10 18:44:48 * scoutcamper has 3 touchpads, 1 of which is an AT&t, 3 PRe3's, 2 of which are VZW, 4 Pre2's, and TONS of pre+ and - in varius states of dismantlement Dec 10 18:46:34 hey la Dec 10 18:46:39 hey LarrySteeze * Dec 10 18:46:40 I have 2 frankenPre2s, 2 Pre2 (GSM), 1 Pre3, 2 TP (32GB), 2 Veers (one each color) Dec 10 18:46:52 oh, i have 3 veers as well Dec 10 18:46:54 yo Dec 10 18:47:09 btw, love how the Wells Fargo apps is available on the Veer, but not Pre2s Dec 10 18:47:36 Can't we just make dev rel change it to include Pre2s? Dec 10 18:47:38 =\ Dec 10 18:47:57 I have a vzw pre2, two veers, a sprint pre 2, original pre, two touchpads (and my wife has one as well), and I'm waiting on a pre 3 :D Dec 10 18:47:58 Don't think so Dec 10 18:48:11 bnceo`: I have it on my pre2 so I'm not sure what you mean... you even said you had it on a pre2 Dec 10 18:48:26 it was on a frankenPre2 Dec 10 18:48:29 Having Devrel do something like that without the express permission of WF is way not a good idea Dec 10 18:48:29 LarrySteeze, look in the log and ytou will see my collection Dec 10 18:48:30 not a GSM Pre2 Dec 10 18:48:49 the text from that link said it wasn't available for the device Dec 10 18:48:55 oh, and of course, some NP action as well Dec 10 18:48:56 well, I have it on a gsm pre2 Dec 10 18:48:59 and when I try to DL via impostah with the app name, nothing Dec 10 18:49:32 so yeah, explain to me what I'm doing wrong here Dec 10 18:49:53 I gave you a suggestion of what to do on the phone, you said you didn't have it Dec 10 18:50:03 try it and see what happens Dec 10 18:50:15 your suggestion was to DL from that link you gav eme Dec 10 18:50:26 I said open that link on the pre2 Dec 10 18:50:38 and I did. and it gives me: not available on this device Dec 10 18:50:43 so I'm dumbfounded Dec 10 18:50:57 you never said that Dec 10 18:51:08 ya. that is a new development Dec 10 18:51:10 lol Dec 10 18:51:15 * bnceo` calms down Dec 10 18:53:37 contact customer service? Dec 10 18:53:59 and ask them if they could resubmit with it marked properly Dec 10 18:54:06 I could Dec 10 18:54:18 what's best channel? Forum, twitter, email? Dec 10 18:54:41 I have no idea, I'm not a wf customer Dec 10 18:55:05 tell them to flag it ok for tp and pre3 while you're there Dec 10 18:55:07 oh oh. you meant contact wells fargo Dec 10 18:55:13 bah Dec 10 18:55:47 can't we just make dev relations do it for them? I have zero faith wells fargo goes back and resubmits it Dec 10 18:56:29 as far as I've gathered from lisa, no... I was asking about skype and carrier restrictions Dec 10 18:57:05 yeah, the skype thing is a contract thing Dec 10 18:57:20 but I see no issue here Dec 10 18:57:27 what sort of contract thing Dec 10 18:57:51 skype has exclusivity in the US with Verizon Dec 10 18:57:58 or had. w/e Dec 10 18:58:01 but it's on the AT&T pre3s in the catalog Dec 10 18:58:12 but only if you're on AT&T Dec 10 18:58:24 maybe change in agreement? no idea Dec 10 18:58:25 any other carrier = no Dec 10 18:58:45 but I remember specifically Skype had the caveat. i don't believe that's the case for 95% of the apps Dec 10 19:45:18 hello Dec 10 19:45:26 hai Dec 10 20:57:13 anyone get the 2.2.4 update? Dec 10 20:59:58 PactrickC lives! Dec 10 21:01:43 yea, we all got it, what, you didn't? Dec 10 21:06:09 according the the Palm support team, it was a mistake.., not suppose to happen lol Dec 10 21:06:20 LarrySteeze, yes! Dec 10 21:10:50 seriously? there's a palm support team that has been kept informed? Dec 10 21:10:55 lol Dec 10 21:11:10 Palm has a support team? Dec 10 21:11:14 they just sent me a link about touchpad support when im asking questinos reguarding the pre2 Dec 10 21:11:20 whats palm,? Dec 10 21:11:27 :p Dec 10 21:11:29 LarrySteeze, not really. they have kids who hit random letters on the keyboard Dec 10 21:11:50 I've actually never contacted Palm, except dev relations and sales Dec 10 21:12:18 I'm starting to wonder if that's a good thing or bad Dec 10 21:12:23 * scoutcamper wants a palm internship! Dec 10 21:12:55 by my figuring with most companies, if you're talking to someone that has 'support' in their title, they don't have any more idea than you do about what's going on... unless they also have "VP" or something like that in their title too Dec 10 21:13:16 dwc-: it depends on who you are and who they are Dec 10 21:13:19 and of course, you can't /actually/ talk to -those- people =] Dec 10 21:13:30 dwc-, i always call support and demand tier 3, anything under that is a waste of time Dec 10 21:13:37 at ANY company Dec 10 21:13:51 scoutcamper, i do the same thing Dec 10 21:13:58 except for Rackspace. there when you call you talk to cr Dec 10 21:14:02 cryptk|offline* Dec 10 21:14:08