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Dec 13 03:01:07 <bnceo> sup ya
Dec 13 03:01:39 <bnceo> rwhitby: really excited that you talked to someone high up in the process. I'm beaming with joy over here
Dec 13 03:02:19 <rwhitby> I spoke for 45 minutes with the person who took the decision to the board.
Dec 13 03:20:58 <geist> rwhitby: yay, bootie and novacom?
Dec 13 03:25:20 <rwhitby> geist: didn't go to that level of detail
Dec 13 03:25:27 <geist> awww
Dec 13 03:25:33 <geist> i just want some of my code back
Dec 13 03:26:28 <rwhitby> geist: any TI/QCOMM IP or confidential info in bootie?
Dec 13 03:26:44 <geist> not while i was still there
Dec 13 03:26:58 <geist> probably not, since i suspect the new bootie bits are largely taken from QCOMM's lk
Dec 13 03:27:01 <geist> which is totally open source
Dec 13 03:33:26 <bnceo> anyone around?
Dec 13 03:33:38 <bnceo> Trying to make AT&T Nav work on my Pre2
Dec 13 03:33:51 <bnceo> having trouble updating the JSON file in 7zip
Dec 13 03:53:58 <bnceo> guess nobody's around =\
Dec 13 04:12:50 <PatrickC> will impostah allow me to restore my apps along with all my other stuff?
Dec 13 04:13:11 <PatrickC> my backup from today is corrupt (or so it seems) but the one from wed. is fine
Dec 13 04:15:24 <RWings19> hi all... need a bit o
Dec 13 04:15:29 <RWings19> of kernel help here
Dec 13 04:15:32 <PatrickC> hey RWings19
Dec 13 04:15:51 <RWings19> tried replacing UberKernel (working on 1.4.5) with F105
Dec 13 04:16:14 <RWings19> didn't work... now I am stuck with the recovery kernel, no wifi, and can't apply any new kernels
Dec 13 04:16:23 <RWings19> any ideas on how to fix this without doctoring?
Dec 13 04:20:18 <uNiXpSyChO> read post#1 of the F105 kernel thread to memboot a working kernel
Dec 13 04:21:03 <RWings19> hi unix - i'm the same guy that's been tweeting back and forth
Dec 13 04:21:05 * uNiXpSyChO wonders why nobody reads that post.
Dec 13 04:21:14 <RWings19> i couldn't find the post earlier - will look again
Dec 13 04:21:39 <uNiXpSyChO> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/257347-sr71-blackbird-f105-thunderchief-f104-starfighter-testing-kernels.html
Dec 13 04:22:01 <RWings19> thanks, going there now
Dec 13 04:22:45 <PatrickC> hey uNiXpSyChO. how have u been?
Dec 13 04:23:29 <uNiXpSyChO> waiting for the onslaught of l33t webOS R0Mz with pretty colors and screwed up names.
Dec 13 04:23:56 <uNiXpSyChO> </sarcasm>
Dec 13 04:24:11 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 13 04:24:51 <halfhalo> those crazy xda'ers with their roms and colors
Dec 13 04:30:19 <RWings19> grr, novacom says it can't find device
Dec 13 04:30:52 <uNiXpSyChO> put the Pre in recovery mode
Dec 13 04:30:52 <RWings19> nevermind - rebooting now.  so unix - after membooting, what is the next step?
Dec 13 04:31:14 <uNiXpSyChO> when it boots, you should have wifi and such.
Dec 13 04:31:40 <uNiXpSyChO> not sure what error you are getting
Dec 13 04:31:51 <rwhitby> recovery kernel install, shutdown and power up should fix anything
Dec 13 04:31:58 <RWings19> something about the files not being in their expected state (?)
Dec 13 04:32:11 <uNiXpSyChO> the recovery install should have fixed that
Dec 13 04:32:12 <RWings19> recovery kernel has been installed
Dec 13 04:32:19 <RWings19> rebooting now after memboot
Dec 13 04:32:39 <RWings19> so at this point - I should be able to go into Preware and select the F105 kernel, right?
Dec 13 04:32:48 <uNiXpSyChO> yes
Dec 13 04:32:52 <RWings19> OK, will try that
Dec 13 04:33:05 <RWings19> and if I get an error, I'll let you know what it says
Dec 13 04:33:22 <RWings19> (love the helpfulness of this community... you guys are awesome)
Dec 13 04:33:59 <RWings19> one of these days I need to try to meta-doctor to 2.1...
Dec 13 04:34:32 <RWings19> Rod,  how crucial is it to have at least 10 GB available on a linux partition for the Sprint 2.1 conversion?  I have *almost* 10GB free in my Mint install
Dec 13 04:34:40 <uNiXpSyChO> why not wait for the oodles of l33t R0Mz coming soon?
Dec 13 04:34:46 <RWings19> hellllll no
Dec 13 04:34:50 <uNiXpSyChO> lol
Dec 13 04:35:13 <RWings19> if it's not webos-internals sponsored, i am not using it!
Dec 13 04:35:32 <RWings19> "we're webos-internals, and we approve this kernel."
Dec 13 04:36:24 <RWings19> Wifi restored... Palm kernel confirmed... into Preware we go
Dec 13 04:37:40 <RWings19> getting "Verification failed on....
Dec 13 04:37:50 <RWings19> "Device kernel is not in factory condition."
Dec 13 04:38:18 <uNiXpSyChO> install the recoer kernel again, dont reboot, then try F105 intall again.
Dec 13 04:38:22 <uNiXpSyChO> recovery
Dec 13 04:38:41 <RWings19> trying now
Dec 13 04:41:51 <RWings19> seems stuck on "Creating backup of existing kernel files" - just getting the spinning circle
Dec 13 04:42:08 <RWings19> nevermind
Dec 13 04:42:38 <RWings19> tells me device restart is required... i should ignore that, unix?
Dec 13 04:42:55 <uNiXpSyChO> is this the F105 install or the recovery install?
Dec 13 04:43:01 <RWings19> recovery completed
Dec 13 04:43:11 <uNiXpSyChO> dont reboot after recovery
Dec 13 04:43:23 <RWings19> OK - proceeding with F105 installatiob
Dec 13 04:44:23 <RWings19> still getting "verification failed" and "device kernel is not in factory condition"
Dec 13 04:44:36 <uNiXpSyChO> not good
Dec 13 04:44:56 <RWings19> earlier today everything was working with Uberkernel...
Dec 13 04:45:15 <RWings19> any easy solution here, or am I in for a trip to the doctor?
Dec 13 04:46:22 <uNiXpSyChO> sounds like the doctor, esp where you rebooted beofre in recovery kernel and had no wifi.
Dec 13 04:47:09 <RWings19> dammit...
Dec 13 04:47:21 <RWings19> and I suppose a device in this condition would probably not survive the 1.4.5 -> 2.1 doctoring, right?
Dec 13 04:47:22 <uNiXpSyChO> try installing UK for the hell of it
Dec 13 04:47:25 <RWings19> (Sprint Pre-)
Dec 13 04:47:33 <RWings19> UK failed for the same reasons F105 did
Dec 13 04:47:40 <uNiXpSyChO> damn
Dec 13 04:47:59 <uNiXpSyChO> the 2.1 meta doctor will blow it all away anyway
Dec 13 04:48:03 <RWings19> bunch of .ko files it doesn't like
Dec 13 04:48:10 <uNiXpSyChO> might as well do it
Dec 13 04:48:22 <bhuey> folks
Dec 13 04:48:22 <RWings19> OK - just gotta back up all my stuff first
Dec 13 04:48:35 <RWings19> since it'll probably all get toasted
Dec 13 04:48:42 <bhuey> just saw some tweet about the CTO of HP enterprise talking to some webos internals folks
Dec 13 04:49:12 <uNiXpSyChO> RWings19: did you happen to install some other patches or unsanactioned kernels at some point in the Pre's life?
Dec 13 04:49:21 <RWings19> patches?  tons
Dec 13 04:50:06 <uNiXpSyChO> patches shouldnt touch kernel modules but I dont know all of them available
Dec 13 04:50:48 <Sedorox> Anyone have a Pre3 on AT&T and having issues with it recently?
Dec 13 04:51:43 <bnceo> Sedorox: nope
Dec 13 04:51:46 <bnceo> no issues for me
Dec 13 04:52:04 <Sedorox> I Doctored it tonight as I was having odd issues.. and now it won't let me sign into my account
Dec 13 04:52:07 <bnceo> in fact, I'm ready to take the sim from my GS2 and put it back on my Pre3. it's so sweet
Dec 13 04:54:03 <bnceo> what does it say? the error message that is
Dec 13 04:54:24 <bnceo> try signing into your profile online and see if there's an issue there
Dec 13 04:54:37 <Sedorox> Unable to sign in, you may have to set your SIM card settings manually
Dec 13 04:54:55 <Sedorox> I'm on the phone aith AT&T on another line, and it seems to be working atm, they canceled the original registration it seems
Dec 13 04:55:14 <bnceo> weird
Dec 13 05:01:54 <Sedorox> yea, apparently she resent the transaction request, and canceled the registration.. and after a reboot it seems to be doing fine now
Dec 13 05:02:21 <Sedorox> but I was having some weird issues.. like txts not sending consistantly, calls failing, calls dropping...
Dec 13 05:02:45 <Sedorox> so I doctored.. then I couldn't get passed it.. so I figured I would call.. she did that.. and now I'm back up
Dec 13 05:03:00 <Sedorox> well.. seems it anyway, we'll see over the next day or two
Dec 13 05:03:35 <Sedorox> overwise, I love the Pre3, and wish it would have been more offical
Dec 13 05:04:16 <PatrickC> will Impostah restore my apps if i restore from a backup?
Dec 13 05:04:44 <PatrickC> i knew i should have made a backup of my installed apps :/
Dec 13 05:21:10 * DougReeder waves goodnight
Dec 13 06:36:48 <awake_laptop> Hi! I guess you guys must be very excited about the open sourcing of WebOS
Dec 13 06:38:02 <halfhalo> well, that, and the fact I have cookies.
Dec 13 06:39:38 <awake_laptop> I see :)
Dec 13 06:40:04 <awake_laptop> I saw @webosinternals had a productive call with HP today and feels like they have a good strategy
Dec 13 06:40:21 <awake_laptop> I'm just eager to see any activity for the actual open sourcing
Dec 13 06:40:40 <halfhalo> it will take a while
Dec 13 06:40:43 <awake_laptop> so, it's going to be copyleft?
Dec 13 06:43:41 <geist> mmm, cookies
Dec 13 06:46:50 <balrog> awake_laptop: I'd rather see enyo non-copyleft or LGPL/CDDL
Dec 13 06:48:23 <awake_laptop> balrog: that's my personal preference as well? but I read HP wants copyleft
Dec 13 06:48:30 <balrog> oh where?
Dec 13 06:48:41 <awake_laptop> wait let me find it
Dec 13 06:48:49 <balrog> I personally feel that LGPL/CDDL provides enough copyleft for most uses, but I can see why they might want GPL
Dec 13 06:49:46 <awake_laptop> http://www.technewsworld.com/story/WebOS-Crawls-Out-of-Purgatory-and-Into-Open-Source-73937.html
Dec 13 06:50:18 <balrog> yeah ok
Dec 13 06:50:26 <balrog> that doesn't rule out LGPL/CDDL
Dec 13 06:50:42 <awake_laptop> I think they should consider MPL 2.0
Dec 13 06:50:49 <balrog> the question is will they require copyright assignments
Dec 13 06:50:55 <balrog> awake_laptop: that's CDDL
Dec 13 06:51:01 <balrog> isn't it?
Dec 13 06:51:08 <awake_laptop> balrog: nope? CDDL is based on MPL 1.1
Dec 13 06:51:13 <awake_laptop> MPL 2.0 will be out soon
Dec 13 06:51:14 <balrog> ahh yeah
Dec 13 06:51:19 <balrog> MPL 2.0 isn't out yet
Dec 13 06:51:24 <balrog> is it still GPL-incompatible?
Dec 13 06:51:30 <awake_laptop> it should fix GPL compatibility
Dec 13 06:51:36 <awake_laptop> and most issues 1.1 had
Dec 13 06:52:05 <balrog> ahh, I see.
Dec 13 06:52:08 <awake_laptop> I've been following the development of MPL on the mailing list
Dec 13 06:52:14 <balrog> so that should reduce the need to dual-license. nice.
Dec 13 06:52:30 <balrog> my biggest problem with [L]GPL are the distribution restrictions
Dec 13 06:52:44 <EricBlade> well, the ball has started.  Novacom is out.  not source code, though
Dec 13 06:52:51 <awake_laptop> yeah, MPL is weak copyleft, much less restrictive than GPL
Dec 13 06:53:30 <balrog> EricBlade: where?
Dec 13 06:53:57 <EricBlade> http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
Dec 13 06:54:16 <balrog> that's always been there.
Dec 13 06:54:27 <balrog> because you have to use it to get into the root shell.
Dec 13 06:55:30 <EricBlade> ben pointed it out on the forums as being new
Dec 13 06:57:40 <awake_laptop> http://mpl.mozilla.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/MPL-RC2.html
Dec 13 07:55:03 <panel> hello
Dec 13 09:04:40 <dwc-> hello
Dec 13 09:07:04 <cryptk> hola
Dec 13 09:09:02 <Frost> hej
Dec 13 09:13:45 <ka6sox> yo
Dec 13 09:16:28 <dwc-> we can have a channel full of just greetings
Dec 13 09:17:06 <cryptk> bonjour
Dec 13 09:17:15 <dwc-> bienvenido
Dec 13 09:18:10 <cryptk> Hallo
Dec 13 09:24:29 <rwhitby> g'day
Dec 13 12:22:48 <EricBlade> chuq says 2.2.4 was not a beta and was intentional
Dec 13 12:27:47 <dtzWill> i didn't realize it being an accident was a serious consideration. that'd be intense :/.
Dec 13 12:28:36 <dtzWill> but good to hear :)
Dec 13 13:34:25 <rwhitby> EricBlade: if it was intentional, why did it only go to a subset of unlocked Pre 2 devices?
Dec 13 13:34:42 <rwhitby> my "beta" statement was referring to the rollout, not the release itself
Dec 13 13:35:09 <rwhitby> (i.e. roll it out to a subset of devices first, wait for problems, if no problems roll it out to the rest)
Dec 13 14:40:29 <Shiggs|i5> sup peeps
Dec 13 17:35:18 <eliasp> sconix: ping
Dec 13 18:12:46 <sebastianha> hi
Dec 13 18:12:54 <sebastianha> can someone help me with packaging an app for preware?
Dec 13 18:15:22 <panel> sebastianha try http://forums.webosnation.com/canuck-coding/237326-ipk-packager.html
Dec 13 18:17:29 <dwc-> palm-package!
Dec 13 18:17:47 <sebastianha> does palm package work with preware and postinstall scripts?
Dec 13 18:21:20 <panel> dwc- sorry
Dec 13 18:26:56 <wrea> sebastianha, what exactly are you working on?
Dec 13 18:27:17 <sebastianha> I have a daemon which fixes the veer slider problem
Dec 13 18:27:34 <sebastianha> that the device wakes up after opening the slider for a few mms
Dec 13 18:33:49 <wrea> sebastianha, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK
Dec 13 18:34:08 <sebastianha> thx, I will take a look at it
Dec 13 18:38:41 <sconix> eliasp: pong
Dec 13 18:56:13 <panel> I'm doing something wrong ? I'm not able to connect via novacom to my Veer in recovery mode
Dec 13 18:59:27 <panel> sebastianha good patch :) I found that sometimes my display Veer not recovers from sleep after I put it out from face
Dec 13 19:02:32 <panel> *Veer display
Dec 13 19:05:46 <Guest64537> nick destinal_
Dec 13 19:06:11 <destinal_> eh, slashes matter too it seems :P
Dec 13 19:19:42 <sebastianha> yeah, now it works!
Dec 13 19:21:44 <sebastianha> Anyone here with a veer who wants to test the patch? It patches the slider behavior. The device is only powered on when the slider is fully opened.
Dec 13 19:39:14 <sebastianha> http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-veer/308647-veer-slider-fix-patch.html#post3264207
Dec 13 19:43:45 <wrea> is it just patch?
Dec 13 19:44:20 <sebastianha> no, it's no traditional patch
Dec 13 19:44:40 <sebastianha> it's a small daemon who manipulates the sensor input
Dec 13 19:45:18 <wrea> then its not a patch at all
Dec 13 19:47:03 <wrea> whats you makefile look like that you made to generate the package?
Dec 13 19:49:06 <EricBlade1> rwhitby: "if it was intentional, why did it only go to a subset of unlocked Pre 2 devices?" ..  hell if I know.  maybe damage control.
Dec 13 19:49:06 <sebastianha> it patches wrong behaviour
Dec 13 19:49:45 <sebastianha> perhaps the correct word is fix - you are right
Dec 13 20:08:45 <AMR-1> check the dev forums announcements
Dec 13 22:17:43 <Darkmagister> question for all of you :D now that became open source (really good) but i can use it for a web app ... if only work with webkit ??? so i think that one really importanto things to do is exapne the compatibility to other brwoser ... no ?
Dec 13 23:35:07 <veertje_> On my Veer I have trouble getting the patches with Preware, there are only 11 of them
Dec 13 23:35:33 <veertje_> Seems like the feeds are removed for 2.1.2
Dec 13 23:37:40 <rwhitby> veertje_: the feeds were split from 2.1.0, and patch authors need to resubmit for 2.1.1/2.1.2
Dec 13 23:38:55 <wrea> beat me to the punch
Dec 13 23:39:57 <veertje_> Aha, thanks, that makes sense, although...
Dec 13 23:40:31 <veertje_> I had some nice patches working on 2.1.2 already, now they need to be resubmitted?
Dec 13 23:42:11 <rwhitby> yes
Dec 13 23:42:48 <veertje_> Splitting makes sense, resubmitting makes no sense
Dec 13 23:44:02 <rwhitby> Yes, I put out a call for a mysql/php/git guru to add mass update functionality to the patch submission portal, but got no responses.
Dec 14 01:26:51 <wrea> anyone have any luck getting node compiled with widk?
Dec 14 01:52:28 <wrea> errors out on finding pthread.h
Dec 14 02:44:46 <bk_> hey
Dec 14 02:45:32 <bk_> alright alright alriiiiiight
Dec 14 02:45:53 <bk_> anybody here
Dec 14 02:46:09 <bk_> got my new touchpad
Dec 14 02:46:33 <bk_> exit
Dec 14 02:47:30 <rwhitby> ok
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