**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 16 02:59:56 2011
Dec 16 03:04:42 <milehighsteez> okay back up
Dec 16 03:05:22 <milehighsteez> so all i need to do is turn off back ups then redo the test verizon 2.2.4
Dec 16 03:06:09 <Abyssul-TP> Are u logged into 2.1.0
Dec 16 03:06:22 <Abyssul-TP> If so go check ur palm profile real quick
Dec 16 03:10:21 <milehighsteez> profile says 2.1.0 now!
Dec 16 03:10:22 <milehighsteez> :D
Dec 16 03:11:23 <bnceo`> weeeeeee
Dec 16 03:11:33 <Abyssul-TP> Good. No need to destroy ur backup hopefully
Dec 16 03:11:38 <bnceo`> he's gone
Dec 16 03:11:39 <Abyssul-TP> Go to 2.2.4 now
Dec 16 03:11:41 <bnceo`> quit
Dec 16 03:11:42 <Abyssul-TP> Oh
Dec 16 03:11:52 <bnceo`> there he is
Dec 16 03:11:52 <Abyssul-TP> Lol
Dec 16 03:12:18 <MileHighSTEEZ> so what route should i go now?
Dec 16 03:12:20 <Abyssul-TP>  Good. No need to destroy ur backup hopefully
Dec 16 03:12:21 <bnceo`> I feel like I'm cheating on webOS by using my Skyrocket
Dec 16 03:12:27 <bnceo`> forcing myself to learn this green robot OS
Dec 16 03:12:30 <Abyssul-TP> Go to 2.2.4
Dec 16 03:13:32 <MileHighSTEEZ> so i dont need to turn off backups or do i?
Dec 16 03:14:22 <Abyssul-TP> Dont
Dec 16 03:14:33 <Abyssul-TP> Its reporting right now
Dec 16 03:15:22 <MileHighSTEEZ> ok ill keep them on and ill just run the               test verison 2.2.4
Dec 16 03:15:33 <Abyssul-TP> K
Dec 16 03:49:52 <MileHighSTEEZ> okay
Dec 16 03:49:59 <MileHighSTEEZ> its booting up
Dec 16 03:50:13 <MileHighSTEEZ> ill let you know what happens after i login
Dec 16 03:50:48 <Abyssul-TP> K
Dec 16 03:54:15 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP, hey
Dec 16 03:55:07 <Abyssul-TP> Hey
Dec 16 03:55:31 <PatrickC> did u get the pre- script built?
Dec 16 03:55:35 <PatrickC> ill have mine till monday
Dec 16 03:55:43 <PatrickC> thats when the parts for my new phone come in
Dec 16 03:55:51 <Abyssul-TP> Cant. No kernel
Dec 16 03:55:57 <PatrickC> ahh
Dec 16 03:55:58 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 16 03:57:00 <MileHighSTEEZ> it 9.9.9 again :(
Dec 16 03:57:24 <MileHighSTEEZ> should i not have ran the test verizon 2.2.4 script?
Dec 16 03:57:36 <MileHighSTEEZ> i guess im stuck with 2.1
Dec 16 03:57:45 <Abyssul-TP> What test script
Dec 16 03:58:25 <MileHighSTEEZ> when i do ls ./scripts
Dec 16 03:59:09 <MileHighSTEEZ> all of them are green except for meta-sprint-franken-unlocked-pre2-2.2.4 and meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.2.4
Dec 16 03:59:11 <MileHighSTEEZ> but
Dec 16 03:59:30 <MileHighSTEEZ> this one is green
Dec 16 03:59:30 <MileHighSTEEZ> test-verizon-pre2-2.2.4
Dec 16 03:59:55 <Abyssul> umm
Dec 16 04:00:04 <Abyssul> you use this one meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.2.4
Dec 16 04:00:07 <Abyssul> not that one
Dec 16 04:00:10 <MileHighSTEEZ> when i first did this i tried using your meta scripts
Dec 16 04:00:18 <MileHighSTEEZ> but i kept getting errors
Dec 16 04:00:20 <PatrickC> thats probably the official vzw pre2 2.2.4 meta-doctor script and not the franken pre2 made from an unlocked pre2 and a vzw pre+
Dec 16 04:00:35 <Abyssul> PatrickC, is right
Dec 16 04:00:44 <Abyssul> well tell me your errors
Dec 16 04:00:46 <PatrickC> MileHighSTEEZ, whats the errors?
Dec 16 04:01:03 <MileHighSTEEZ> ill have to run the code again really quick
Dec 16 04:01:12 <MileHighSTEEZ> let me do a git pull and clobber
Dec 16 04:01:13 <Abyssul> You might have gotten an early build of the Verizon based meta script which was bugged
Dec 16 04:01:37 <MileHighSTEEZ> it was downloaded today
Dec 16 04:03:30 <Abyssul> Patrick, can you get me a 2.1 or earlier build screenshot of the email dashboard notification
Dec 16 04:03:39 <Abyssul> I cant seem to find a google image of one
Dec 16 04:03:42 <Abyssul> and I dont have a Pre-
Dec 16 04:04:18 <MileHighSTEEZ> ./scripts/meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.2.4 bash: ./scripts/meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.2.4: Permission denied
Dec 16 04:04:23 <MileHighSTEEZ> heres the error
Dec 16 04:04:43 <MileHighSTEEZ> but if i use one of the meta scripts that are in green
Dec 16 04:04:50 <MileHighSTEEZ> it will go thru and build the doc
Dec 16 04:06:01 <Abyssul> chmod the script
Dec 16 04:06:12 <Abyssul> chmod 777 <filename>
Dec 16 04:06:59 <MileHighSTEEZ> ~/meta-doctor$ chmod 777./scripts/meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.2.4 chmod: missing operand after `777./scripts/meta-sprint-franken-verizon-pre2-2.2.4' Try `chmod --help' for more information. steven@ubuntu:~/meta-doctor$
Dec 16 04:07:12 <Abyssul> You need a space
Dec 16 04:07:38 <MileHighSTEEZ> k did a space
Dec 16 04:07:54 <MileHighSTEEZ> now should i run the script wiithout the chmod 777
Dec 16 04:08:00 <Abyssul> yeah
Dec 16 04:08:05 <Abyssul> see if it gives permission denined
Dec 16 04:08:13 <Abyssul> denied*
Dec 16 04:08:29 <MileHighSTEEZ> nope it worked thjis time
Dec 16 04:08:36 <Abyssul> :)
Dec 16 04:08:40 <MileHighSTEEZ> :)
Dec 16 04:08:45 <MileHighSTEEZ> i cant let it finish huh
Dec 16 04:09:03 <MileHighSTEEZ> i have to go back to 2.1 then do the chmod again
Dec 16 04:09:16 <Abyssul> rwhitby, do the scripts in the git need to be set to 777 as well? This is the second report I've gotten about it.
Dec 16 04:09:36 <Abyssul> Worth a shot. depends on how precious your palm profile data is
Dec 16 04:09:46 <Abyssul> You already have the doctors so it should be short
Dec 16 04:10:05 <Abyssul> You wont lose all the data, but some things will vanish if you just delete the backup
Dec 16 04:10:48 <MileHighSTEEZ> so with this i should be able to just type the cmd for the 2.1 scripts
Dec 16 04:11:12 <MileHighSTEEZ> run those then run this script and ill keep all my info
Dec 16 04:11:13 <PatrickC> Abyssul, yeah i can get u one. lemme charge the dead pre- :)
Dec 16 04:11:24 <Abyssul> I found one
Dec 16 04:11:25 <Abyssul> Its ok
Dec 16 04:11:29 <moo> still waiting for new doctor files for veer :(
Dec 16 04:11:38 <MileHighSTEEZ> id rather not lose my profile info or mess up my profile
Dec 16 04:11:49 <Abyssul> Worth a shot
Dec 16 04:11:58 <MileHighSTEEZ> k
Dec 16 04:12:09 <Abyssul> You can try the new meta-doctor script, or start over and doctor to 2.1
Dec 16 04:12:14 <Abyssul> then try the meta-doctor
Dec 16 04:12:32 <MileHighSTEEZ> ill try it now with leaving backups on and going back to 2.1 then your script after
Dec 16 04:13:11 <rwhitby> Abyssul: that's an easy way of making sure alpha testers are paying attention
Dec 16 04:16:20 <Abyssul> Oh
Dec 16 04:16:28 <Abyssul> I was wondering what was alpha about it
Dec 16 04:16:52 <rwhitby> Abyssul: the fact that less than 5 people have used it?
Dec 16 04:17:15 <Abyssul> Ive had 20 people download my mediafire links o.O
Dec 16 04:17:23 <Abyssul> PatrickC, http://i.imgur.com/FruYW.png
Dec 16 04:18:25 <PatrickC> Abyssul, wow
Dec 16 04:18:32 <PatrickC> there is a big difference there.. lol
Dec 16 04:18:32 <Abyssul> See it?
Dec 16 04:18:40 <Abyssul> I know. It bothers the heck out of me
Dec 16 04:18:42 <PatrickC> yeah
Dec 16 04:18:47 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 16 04:20:02 <dwc-> Abyssul: I downloaded your mediafire links
Dec 16 04:20:14 <Abyssul> Dont use the Verizon one lol, it fails lol
Dec 16 04:20:22 <dwc-> but I didn't actually test it... I have no applicable device
Dec 16 04:31:18 <MileHighSTEEZ> okay back on 2.1
Dec 16 04:31:30 <Abyssul> k
Dec 16 04:31:41 <MileHighSTEEZ> going to run your scripts now
Dec 16 04:53:23 <rwhitby> App Tuckerbox 1.0 in Preware beta feed now
Dec 16 04:53:43 <wrea> awesome
Dec 16 04:54:45 <jcsullins> rwhitby: does this mean you no longer have to be on a 'special list' to try it?
Dec 16 04:55:02 <PatrickC> rwhitby, is the 0.9.3 still relevent to work with in the debugging im doing?
Dec 16 04:55:18 <Abyssul-TP> Idk what it does...
Dec 16 04:55:25 <MileHighSTEEZ> on the webos login page it now shows 2.2.4
Dec 16 04:55:28 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP, try it. its amazing :)
Dec 16 04:55:35 <MileHighSTEEZ> loading my backup now
Dec 16 04:55:46 <MileHighSTEEZ> thanks for your help abyssul!!
Dec 16 04:55:53 <Abyssul-TP> It worked?
Dec 16 04:56:05 <MileHighSTEEZ> Yeah buddy!! :D
Dec 16 04:56:11 <Abyssul-TP> Glad to help
Dec 16 04:56:18 <rwhitby> jcsullins: correct. you just need to be eligible, and approval is automatic based on the eligibility
Dec 16 04:56:40 <rwhitby> at the moment, eligibility for beta access is 50+ paid apps
Dec 16 04:56:54 <Abyssul> Whats the app even do?
Dec 16 04:57:01 <PatrickC> magic
Dec 16 04:57:10 <Abyssul> lol
Dec 16 04:57:19 <dwc-> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AppTuckerbox
Dec 16 04:57:49 <Abyssul> I have 29 lol
Dec 16 04:58:14 <dwc-> " All Rights Reserved.  This is unpublished confidential closed source software.
Dec 16 04:58:23 <dwc-> funny thing to find in a public git repo
Dec 16 04:58:31 <PatrickC> link?
Dec 16 04:58:38 <Abyssul> Whats the point of making it a exclusive club?
Dec 16 04:58:47 <rwhitby> dwc-: indeed, I forgot to take that out
Dec 16 04:59:05 <rwhitby> Abyssul: it's in beta testing
Dec 16 04:59:23 <rwhitby> we can't deal with 1000 beta testers at once
Dec 16 04:59:31 <Abyssul> hmm
Dec 16 04:59:46 <Abyssul> Not really an app I need anyways. Neat idea though
Dec 16 05:02:09 <wrea> sweet
Dec 16 05:04:47 <MileHighSTEEZ> again abyssul thank you
Dec 16 05:04:56 <Abyssul> :)
Dec 16 05:05:00 <MileHighSTEEZ> im going to go vape and pass out lol
Dec 16 05:05:07 <MileHighSTEEZ> have a good night man!
Dec 16 05:06:16 <Abyssul> Lata
Dec 16 05:06:50 <PatrickC> rwhitby, does webos internals use http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/ to build the Package files for the feeds?
Dec 16 05:07:29 <dwc-> yes
Dec 16 05:08:18 <PatrickC> ok. im looking for an efficient way to make a packages file
Dec 16 05:08:21 <PatrickC> for multiple apps
Dec 16 05:08:39 <PatrickC> i was thinking MySQL.. but was wanting to check what WOSI used
Dec 16 05:09:11 <Abyssul> Tuckerbox app is well made. No easy loophole on tricking the app into thinking you are qualified :p
Dec 16 05:09:36 <PatrickC> i noticed that :)
Dec 16 05:09:38 <wrea> Got it on my tp and veer now :D
Dec 16 05:10:14 <PatrickC> wrea, out of curiosity, how many paid apps do u have?
Dec 16 05:11:02 <wrea> enough
Dec 16 05:11:13 <rwhitby> Abyssul: I welcome your security review
Dec 16 05:11:41 <Abyssul> I was just curious. ;)
Dec 16 05:11:56 <Abyssul> Thats what happens when most of the code is based in the service
Dec 16 05:12:04 <rwhitby> no, seriously, I'd rather someone here try and break it than someone on webosbuzz
Dec 16 05:12:32 <Abyssul> I only know C++ so this JS throws me off
Dec 16 05:12:37 <Abyssul> but it seems secure
Dec 16 05:12:45 <PatrickC> rwhitby, App Tuckerbox said that i needed to de-register my device and re-register because it was 1.0, so i did. now it says i need to de-register and re-register on 0.9.x
Dec 16 05:13:52 <Abyssul> Do the tuckerbox feeds work by uploading all the data from registered users into a database?
Dec 16 05:14:11 <Abyssul> Creating a faux Catalog feed
Dec 16 05:27:16 <wrea> there seems fixed for me now, PatrickC
Dec 16 05:27:30 <rwhitby> PatrickC: try again now
Dec 16 05:27:33 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 16 05:27:55 <wrea> woo
Dec 16 05:28:11 <PatrickC> ah. the famous "you need 50 apps" thing lol
Dec 16 05:28:22 <PatrickC> man. i cant wait to get my pre3 on the pre-'s profile :)
Dec 16 05:50:09 <rwhitby> it's nice not having to manually approve the beta requests now :)
Dec 16 05:50:28 <wrea> I bet
Dec 16 05:55:48 <kyle3om> is there a different procedure for submitting a patch to beta feeds? or just say it should be in beta when submitting the patch?
Dec 16 06:01:17 <Abyssul-TP> Later
Dec 16 06:09:02 <rwhitby> we have no submission process for beta patches yet
Dec 16 06:09:18 <rwhitby> the best thing is to test them in a webOSNation forum thread first
Dec 16 06:09:29 <rwhitby> then only submit them when they are stable
Dec 16 08:37:46 <panel> hello
Dec 16 10:36:46 <Night-hacks> is it possible to access to bash from webos device without ssh'ing to it by laptop ?
Dec 16 10:39:23 <Brybry> from the webos device itself, yes
Dec 16 10:39:55 <rwhitby> use Xecutah, installed from Preware, installed by reading http://bit.ly/phd-ac
Dec 16 10:39:55 <EricBlade1> xterm
Dec 16 10:40:12 <Night-hacks> thanks for help
Dec 16 10:40:59 * Brybry refuses to install xterm
Dec 16 10:41:33 <EricBlade1> o.o why
Dec 16 10:42:05 <Brybry> that's way more stuff than should be needed for a simple terminal
Dec 16 10:43:05 <stbuehler> if you can do better, don't let anyone stop you...
Dec 16 10:43:11 <EricBlade1> not really that "simple" if you consider that there is no concept of a console application in the webOS gui system
Dec 16 10:43:28 <rwhitby> Brybry: I await the release of your better solution
Dec 16 10:44:01 <EricBlade1> well, there is the SDLTerminal, although from what I understand, that doesn't work very well on newer releases
Dec 16 10:44:06 <EricBlade1> if at all
Dec 16 10:44:20 <Brybry> I kind of stubbornly use my own build of ajaxterm until I can clean up sdlterminal or write my own sdl-based terminal (which is, admittedly, a pain)
Dec 16 10:44:22 <rwhitby> Xecutah is the only solution that works on all webOS devices and all webOS versions
Dec 16 10:44:34 <Brybry> sdlterminal seems to run ok 3.0.4
Dec 16 10:44:45 <Brybry> it does need things fixed
Dec 16 10:44:46 <rwhitby> Brybry: excellent. look forward to using it.
Dec 16 10:48:16 <EricBlade1> rwhitby: when i was loading up some promo codes for my apps, i noticed in the promo code interface, there's a number (990) or (1005) next to the app in the selection box.  any idea what those numbers mean?
Dec 16 10:49:18 <rwhitby> give me an example of one and I'll check
Dec 16 10:50:09 <EricBlade1> oh, i just did figure it out.  number of promo codes left
Dec 16 10:50:43 <rwhitby> yep, that's it
Dec 16 10:51:56 <rwhitby> Brybry: what price are you going to put on it in the catalog?
Dec 16 10:52:35 * rwhitby would pay $10 for a really good ssh client which had a good enough terminal emulation to run emacs
Dec 16 10:53:04 <rwhitby> then you could ssh localhost to have a secure terminal solution
Dec 16 10:53:28 <rwhitby> (since it would only allow internal access if you'd previously installed an ssh server)
Dec 16 10:54:13 <stbuehler> screen or tmux support would be needed too imho :)
Dec 16 10:55:14 <rwhitby> and multiple cards, with optional notification of output in hidden cards
Dec 16 10:55:34 <rwhitby> (like wIRC does)
Dec 16 10:56:41 <Frost> ...and support for the sym key in the terminal (regardless of what kind of terminal it is), although that's probably kind of hard to do with X11 apps
Dec 16 10:57:07 <Brybry> if I fix up sdlterminal instead of rewriting my own and the author doesn't come back around? it'd be free/it's gpl v3
Dec 16 10:57:15 <Frost> my friends keep complaining about me not being able to type åäö when I'm using my phone to connect to my irc screen
Dec 16 10:58:38 <rwhitby> Brybry: sell it in the app catalog anyway. works for the other GPL apps that are in the app catalog and also have source available
Dec 16 11:01:02 <Brybry> I have ajaxterm working fine (using a C backend that someone wrote for the kindle) but it's super slow because it goes through the browser =(
Dec 16 11:01:55 <Brybry> and I've only really tested it with top and nano though
Dec 16 11:02:25 <Brybry> that was my quick dirty solution
Dec 16 11:03:49 <rwhitby> well, if you get something which will work on 1.4.5, 2.x and 3.x on Pre(-,+,2,3),Pixi,Veer,TouchPad, I'll happily shout it from the rooftops
Dec 16 11:06:35 <ajay_> hey quick q, if preware stalls on app download/update, what's the solution? a reboot didn't fix
Dec 16 11:06:37 <ajay_> reinstall?
Dec 16 11:07:15 <ajay_> ooo i didn't know the 2.2.4 doctor was out, nifty! of course, days after i redo my pre2 :) (but damn, why did my palm account get wiped?! arg..)
Dec 16 11:13:44 <ajay_> ajaxterm?  will the amazing ideas never cease!
Dec 16 11:14:24 <Brybry> it wasn't a new idea, I saw wiki articles on it after I had actually done it myself
Dec 16 11:15:06 <rwhitby> Brybry: you've got it set up so that rogue mojo/enyo wallpaper apps can run stuff as root through it, right?
Dec 16 11:15:07 <Brybry> and, like I said, it's super slow
Dec 16 11:15:14 <rwhitby> s/can/can't/
Dec 16 11:15:14 <infobot> rwhitby meant: Brybry: you've got it set up so that rogue mojo/enyo wallpaper apps can't run stuff as root through it, right?
Dec 16 11:15:14 <Brybry> hell yeah!
Dec 16 11:15:43 <rwhitby> that's what killed the last attempt at a similar architecture
Dec 16 11:15:44 <Brybry> I'm actually not sure if something could grab root from it
Dec 16 11:15:50 <Brybry> probably could
Dec 16 11:16:53 <EricBlade1> rogue... wallpaper ... apps?
Dec 16 11:16:54 <rwhitby> gotta let a user do stuff as root, but not a random mojo/enyo app.
Dec 16 11:17:03 <Brybry> I wanted a terminal and I didn't want to install xserver or python or anything so it was a quick dirty hack
Dec 16 11:17:42 <rwhitby> Brybry: yep, absolutely get the motivation for a personal solution rather than a public release
Dec 16 11:18:11 <Brybry> public releases are hard =(
Dec 16 11:21:01 <ajay_> interesting..
Dec 16 11:27:33 <seb_fox> hi, about Xecutah/Xterm/OpenSSH, i have a bug under webos3.0.4 when i ssh to a server and then reattach a screen, the screen is full screen and so the virtuel keyboard don't allow to see the bottom. i'm wrong?
Dec 16 11:28:17 <seb_fox> it seems to be a known bug, can someone confirm?
Dec 16 11:29:19 <ajay_> seb_fox: hmm.. never tried that, but I use screen from different screen sizes all the time, so seems like it should work.. does doing a screen refresh (^L) not help?
Dec 16 11:30:19 <seb_fox> i will try a refresh, good idea
Dec 16 11:43:23 <rwhitby> seb_fox: hold the bottom right key on the virtual keyboard to change it's size, and make it match what you have set in Tweaks
Dec 16 11:43:40 <rwhitby> the doco on which you clicked "I've read this, continue" states this
Dec 16 11:50:42 <EricBlade1> and since you didn't read it, that means that rwhitby now owns you, and can turn you into a Human TouchPad
Dec 16 11:50:51 <EricBlade1> :)
Dec 16 12:03:23 <dtzWill> haha human touchpad is a strange idea.
Dec 16 12:06:12 <dtzWill> i personally don't understand the aversion to xecutah/xserver solution, although I do understand it's not as clean as it could be (see commerical phone/tablet ssh/terminal apps on other OS's)
Dec 16 12:07:27 <EricBlade1> dtzWill: please tell me you're familiar with the South Park episode, "Human Cent-iPad" ..
Dec 16 12:08:34 <dtzWill> EricBlade1: haha yes i am.  somewhat unfortunately, but regardless :)
Dec 16 12:08:59 <dtzWill> anyway i guess i should be quite b/c it's this aversion that's apparently making people look into other useful stuff :3 :)
Dec 16 12:18:35 <seb_fox> rwithby : thanks for the tips!
Dec 16 15:31:30 <cryptk> the WOSI server is going down for a few minutes for some maintenance, should only be about 5 minutes ish
Dec 16 15:33:36 <cryptk> ok, I lied... maybe 10
Dec 16 15:41:23 <cryptk> server should be back up now, with a shiny new 50GB extension to it's hard drive
Dec 16 17:21:55 <Abyssul> Anyone else notice that Palm was working on group conversation code in their messaging app?
Dec 16 17:27:41 <Hammer99> HI all... got a dilemma.  Anytime Palm Backup runs on my Pre, it automatically signs me out of my Palm Profile and I have to reactivate the phone.  Daily.  Any idea what is happening behind the scenes?
Dec 16 17:28:24 <Abyssul> Hammer99, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/StopDeviceWipe
Dec 16 17:28:49 <Abyssul> Maybe that will help
Dec 16 17:29:24 <Hammer99> Even if I am trying to log in to the same phone and not a different one?
Dec 16 17:30:30 <Hammer99> Hmm... I think I see the potential problem here.
Dec 16 17:30:40 <Abyssul> Maybe try running the doctor on your current phone, and then going to the palm profile website and telling it to erase any listed devices
Dec 16 17:31:07 <Hammer99> I think I know what happened.
Dec 16 17:31:30 <Hammer99> After it restores, I copy over an older version of PalmAccountDatabase, which probably fries it.
Dec 16 17:31:48 <Hammer99> I'll copy just PalmDatabase (so I get text messages back) but leave PalmAccountDatabase alone.
Dec 16 17:32:08 <Abyssul> Umm yeah, you couldve mentioned that
Dec 16 17:32:25 <Abyssul> That is some old school stuff
Dec 16 17:32:31 <Hammer99> It just occurred to me once I read what you wrote.
Dec 16 17:32:49 <Abyssul> As long if you have a lead on fixing your problem. :)
Dec 16 17:32:55 <Hammer99> still in the dark ages over here:  Sprint Pre- with 1.4.5
Dec 16 17:35:11 <Abyssul> There is code in 2.2.4 for visual voicemail....
Dec 16 17:35:48 <summatusmentis> you can pay VZW for visual voicemail
Dec 16 17:36:13 <Abyssul> Yeah, but this code is commented out?
Dec 16 17:36:20 <Abyssul> and seems not fully done
Dec 16 17:37:16 <Abyssul> hmm oh well
Dec 16 17:37:43 <Abyssul> Just trying to find where to fix this stupid phone menu padding problem
Dec 16 17:57:38 <jay> hi
Dec 16 17:57:43 <Abyssul> Hey
Dec 16 17:58:00 <Guest72917> hi
Dec 16 17:58:30 <Guest72917> help with hulu hp touchpad
Dec 16 18:13:37 <dwc-> Abyssul: probably to support skype group messaging?
Dec 16 19:36:33 <drowl> hoot
Dec 16 19:53:51 <sugardave> holla
Dec 16 19:55:10 <ka6sox-away> you don't have to shout...we can hear you fine.
Dec 16 19:57:52 <sugardave> we really needed another hoot for that to be funnier
Dec 16 19:57:58 <sugardave> s/we/I/
Dec 16 19:57:59 <infobot> sugardave meant: I really needed another hoot for that to be funnier
Dec 16 20:06:52 <drowl> hoot ;)
Dec 16 20:08:39 <drowl> any one know why the powerd damon would be putting my system (pre3) to sleep
Dec 16 20:09:28 <drowl> seem to happen when to screen blanks
Dec 16 20:23:45 <dwc-> to save power
Dec 16 20:24:26 <drowl> oh cool thanks dwc ;)
Dec 16 20:26:32 <dwc-> ok, so then if that's not what you're asking...
Dec 16 20:27:45 <Abyssul-TP_> Is anyone else getting freeTether to work on 2.2.4?
Dec 16 20:32:18 <Abyssul-TP_> Seems like a second reboot is needed
Dec 16 21:17:08 <ormris> Hi all.
Dec 16 21:17:40 <ormris> Anyone know of a good feed for common unix tools compiled for the pre?
Dec 16 21:18:41 <Abyssul-TP__> Unix tools? Like what?
Dec 16 21:22:55 <Frost> Abyssul-TP__: you were asking about whether people got freetether to work on 2.2.4?
Dec 16 21:28:14 <Abyssul-TP__> Frost, i got it to work
Dec 16 21:28:54 <Frost> Abyssul-TP__: well, me too. I just applied the OTA upgrade (to 2.2.4), and then everything kept working as usual
Dec 16 21:29:45 <Frost> It's a really good battery sink though, especially when I'm listening to spotify at the same time.
Dec 16 21:31:54 <Abyssul-TP__> Well yeah. Data requires tons of power.
Dec 16 21:32:19 <Socket_> Hello ! Has anyone tried to connect external hdd into Palm Pre 2 ?
Dec 16 21:32:27 <Frost> yes, it's not that hard to wrap your head around that one.
Dec 16 21:33:14 <Abyssul-TP__> Lol, thats not happening Socket_
Dec 16 21:33:46 <Socket_> I am lookin into USB host support on the palm
Dec 16 21:34:17 <Socket_> http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/306982-how-usb-otg-read-write-ntfs.html
Dec 16 21:35:15 <Socket_> I have some equpment : spider usb hub and my exernal hdd
Dec 16 21:35:29 <Socket_> but still can mount the dev
Dec 16 21:35:41 <Socket_> can't
Dec 16 21:35:47 <Abyssul-TP__> Pre2 doesnt support USB host. The TP does
Dec 16 21:36:19 <Socket_> hmmm ;-/
Dec 16 22:31:42 <dwc-> ormris: the optware feeds
Dec 16 22:32:14 <dwc-> install the optware bootstrap stuff from preware and then you can use ipkg-opt
Dec 16 22:38:11 <ormris> Thanks!
Dec 16 23:24:12 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 16 23:26:27 <RagingMind> DougReeder, hello back
Dec 16 23:26:47 * DougReeder smiles
Dec 16 23:27:36 <DougReeder> have I missed anything exciting?
Dec 16 23:27:55 <Abyssul-TP__> 0x2c? Hex gives 212... Although the 0x references memory address syntax?
Dec 16 23:28:09 <Abyssul-TP__> Idk dont get it (from tweet)
Dec 16 23:29:54 <Abyssul-TP__> UTF encoding?
Dec 16 23:32:11 <Abyssul-TP__> Damn, 44
Dec 16 23:43:17 <wrea> hey all
Dec 17 00:39:51 <wrea> bleh, avahi.org is down
Dec 17 00:40:38 <ka6sox-away> wrea, I hear that all the time.
Dec 17 00:41:45 <wrea> well, lennart's server is always pretty slow. But this is the first it's been down for me
Dec 17 00:41:56 * dwc- takes avahi down all the time
Dec 17 00:42:02 * dwc- not a fan
Dec 17 00:43:53 <wrea> yeah, yeah, i know dwc- :P
Dec 17 00:44:26 <ka6sox-away> who runs it?
Dec 17 00:51:31 <wrea> I havne it running on my laptop, tp and veer
Dec 17 01:03:09 <oil> oh, adora joining #webos
Dec 17 01:03:15 <oil> -internals
Dec 17 01:04:07 <Adora> oh, yeah
Dec 17 01:04:08 <Adora> I mean
Dec 17 01:04:09 <Adora> no big
Dec 17 01:04:28 <wrea> lol
Dec 17 01:18:38 <summatusmentis> Adora: we want code :)
Dec 17 01:21:29 <dwc-> probably wants another wirc submission
Dec 17 01:22:37 <Adora> summatusmentis:  http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B001AR011A/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0
Dec 17 01:23:05 <wrea> lol
Dec 17 01:23:48 * dwc- wonders how much of the palm crew is going to the webos meetup tonight
Dec 17 01:24:17 <Adora> oh, yeah...it's up up up in the city, right?
Dec 17 01:24:21 <dwc-> yep
Dec 17 01:24:56 <Adora> I won't be able to make it  =[
Dec 17 01:25:02 <dwc-> looks like 3-4 might be taking the caltrains
Dec 17 01:25:12 <dwc-> =(
Dec 17 01:25:15 <Adora> stuff in the valley is much easier to work in
Dec 17 01:25:23 <dwc-> I agree!
Dec 17 01:26:40 <LarrySteeze> summatusmentis: you realize that once we have the code, we can put webOS on this, right? http://goo.gl/sKSZ
Dec 17 01:27:21 <LarrySteeze> credit for actually linking me to that specific page first goes to wrea
Dec 17 01:27:39 <dwc-> so we'll have to boot up the toaster an hour before we want breakfast? :P
Dec 17 01:30:17 <wrea> :P
Dec 17 01:33:40 <PaNeL> hello
Dec 17 01:33:53 <wrea> hey
Dec 17 01:46:24 <LarrySteeze> who would be a good resource for hidd plugin development?
Dec 17 01:50:51 <PaNeL> bye
Dec 17 02:18:42 <summatusmentis> Adora: +1
Dec 17 02:18:50 <summatusmentis> LarrySteeze: lol
Dec 17 02:19:11 <LarrySteeze> talk about a delayed reaction
Dec 17 02:19:33 <summatusmentis> I had other things to do
Dec 17 02:19:52 <summatusmentis> like this stupid take-home final
Dec 17 02:26:45 <Abyssul-TP> Take-home.....final...wtf
Dec 17 02:39:11 <summatusmentis> open-book, open-note, no collaboration
Dec 17 02:39:17 <summatusmentis> it's a grad level course
Dec 17 02:45:14 <wrea> Who can I talk to about getting packages into the feeds?
Dec 17 02:46:38 <Abyssul-TP> What kind of package
Dec 17 02:47:45 * PatrickC is working on an app that will let u build a customized feed.
Dec 17 02:48:20 <wrea> theres already a java app one can use the generate the files needed
Dec 17 02:48:20 <Abyssul-TP> App or program? I figured it would be a PC thing
Dec 17 02:48:35 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP: itll be an enyo app
Dec 17 02:48:43 <wrea> Abyssul-TP, pulseaudio modules, avahi and dbus
Dec 17 02:48:47 <PatrickC> so you could run it on the desktop
Dec 17 02:49:07 <PatrickC> wrea: mine will make a read package file. with screenshots and everything
Dec 17 02:49:08 <Abyssul-TP> Talk to rwhitby?
Dec 17 02:49:31 <PatrickC> the IPKG-Feed-Generator only makes a basic ipkg feed. my app will make one as complex as the webOS internals feeds
Dec 17 02:49:35 <PatrickC> Abyssul-TP: was that to me?
Dec 17 02:49:47 <Abyssul-TP> No, to wrea. Sorry
Dec 17 02:49:51 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 17 02:50:53 <Abyssul-TP> PatrickC: you should look into why the phone app menu in 2.2.4 is messed up.
Dec 17 02:51:03 <PatrickC> how is it messed up
Dec 17 02:51:04 <PatrickC> ?
Dec 17 02:51:12 <PatrickC> i just re-doctored
Dec 17 02:51:16 <PatrickC> so i have a fresh one
Dec 17 02:51:23 <Abyssul-TP> Do u have a 2.2.4 device?
Dec 17 02:51:26 <PatrickC> yes
Dec 17 02:51:29 <PatrickC> the pre2
Dec 17 02:51:34 <Abyssul-TP> Look for yourself
Dec 17 02:51:42 <PatrickC> seems to work fine
Dec 17 02:51:48 <PatrickC> or r u talking about the app menu?
Dec 17 02:51:49 <Abyssul-TP> Its half mojo/half enyo with the padding offset wrong
Dec 17 02:52:05 <Abyssul-TP> Yep, left top menu
Dec 17 02:52:10 * PatrickC will take a look in a few
Dec 17 02:52:17 <PatrickC> right now im writing a HTTP server in node.js
Dec 17 02:52:19 <PatrickC> :)
Dec 17 02:52:32 <Abyssul-TP> I spent a few hours on it to no avail
Dec 17 02:52:43 <PatrickC> the css?
Dec 17 02:53:01 <Abyssul-TP> Checked
Dec 17 02:53:07 <PatrickC> hrmm....
Dec 17 02:53:14 <Abyssul-TP> I had no clue why.
Dec 17 02:53:18 <rwhitby> heh, a HTTP server in node.js is about 5 lines.
Dec 17 02:53:24 <Abyssul-TP> Even the appmenu.js
Dec 17 02:53:27 <wrea> At least node 0.4.12 compiles when I dont try cross compiling it
Dec 17 02:53:31 <PatrickC> rwhitby: i know no node.js :) i just made it
Dec 17 02:53:39 <PatrickC> it was really easy. i think it was 5 lines lol
Dec 17 02:58:38 <Abyssul-TP> Code can be boiled down to one long line with no returns and word wrap off :-P
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