**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 20 02:59:57 2011
Dec 20 03:01:57 <PatrickC> http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1948
Dec 20 03:27:00 <EricBlade> let me replace my Linux based operating system.. with another Linux based operating system. yay!
Dec 20 03:29:16 <bnceo`> dwc-: I don't see 2.2.4 for the Pre3
Dec 20 03:29:19 <bnceo`> at least the AT&T version
Dec 20 03:31:18 <EricBlade> yeah i'm gonna need to get a usb camera, a usb headset, at least one more x360 controller and a iPad connected to this computer. ugh.
Dec 20 03:31:25 <EricBlade> oops wrong channel
Dec 20 03:32:16 <hewball> bnceo`: http://www.webosnation.com/webos-2-2-4-doctor-made-available-pre3-update-itself-mia
Dec 20 03:33:11 <bnceo`> awesome
Dec 20 03:33:20 <bnceo`> I stopped checking the site cause of lack of news
Dec 20 03:33:23 <bnceo`> or good news for that matter
Dec 20 03:42:57 <dwc-> bnceo`: palm.com/rom has it
Dec 20 03:44:31 <bnceo`> so right now, we have just the Veer that needs to catch up
Dec 20 03:44:40 <dwc-> PatrickC: what ar eyou going to metadoctor with pre3/2.2.4?
Dec 20 03:44:41 <bnceo`> and Verizon Pre2s?
Dec 20 03:44:48 <dwc-> I'd like some OTAs myself
Dec 20 03:44:52 <dwc-> save me wiping my phone
Dec 20 03:45:01 <summatusmentis> indeed
Dec 20 03:45:07 <bnceo`> me too
Dec 20 03:45:09 <bnceo`> I want OTA
Dec 20 03:45:11 <PatrickC> dwc-, what do you mean by "what am i going to metadoctor with the pre3"?
Dec 20 03:45:12 <bnceo`> but w/e.
Dec 20 03:45:14 <summatusmentis> what does the veer run right now?
Dec 20 03:45:34 <dwc-> what are you trying to alpha test?
Dec 20 03:45:40 <dwc-> 2.1.[12] officially
Dec 20 03:45:49 <dwc-> 2.2.[34] unofficially
Dec 20 03:46:07 <PatrickC> i didnt know how long they would need 2.2.4 scripts tested before adding them to the public repo
Dec 20 03:46:28 <dwc-> testing it to do what?
Dec 20 03:46:44 <PatrickC> making sure it worked like the sprint pre2 2.2.4 one did
Dec 20 03:47:11 <summatusmentis> does 2.2.[34] enable T2S?
Dec 20 03:47:12 <dwc-> so what device are you trying to target?
Dec 20 03:47:18 <PatrickC> pre3
Dec 20 03:47:22 <dwc-> which one?
Dec 20 03:47:27 <PatrickC> AT&T
Dec 20 03:47:40 <dwc-> but that doesn't need any parts swapped
Dec 20 03:48:14 <bnceo`> the AT&T Pre3 is complete as it comes
Dec 20 03:48:20 <bnceo`> all the apps, TTS,
Dec 20 03:48:25 <bnceo`> skype in catalog
Dec 20 03:48:42 <dwc-> ^ except for non-AT&T carrier activated ones
Dec 20 03:49:00 <hewball> i cant get  skype :|
Dec 20 03:49:12 <PatrickC> hewball, how come?
Dec 20 03:49:12 <summatusmentis> does 2.2.[34] enable T2S for the veer?
Dec 20 03:49:25 <bnceo`> is there a 2.2.4 for the Veer?
Dec 20 03:49:32 <hewball> PatrickC: at&t pre3 in aus
Dec 20 03:49:45 <PatrickC> meta-doctored?
Dec 20 03:50:00 <hewball> nah stock, never really been that worried for it
Dec 20 03:50:11 <PatrickC> ah 0k
Dec 20 03:50:13 <dwc-> hmm, no verizon 2.2.4 it looks like, at least not at the url I guessed at (from the 2.2.3 vzw)
Dec 20 03:50:24 <bnceo`> ah. gotcha dwc-. my bads. thinkings narrow minded
Dec 20 03:50:25 * PatrickC thhinks it might be easy to add.. goes to check
Dec 20 03:52:36 <rwhitby> hewball: I wonder if App Tuckerbox would get Skype for you
Dec 20 03:53:02 <dwc-> rwhitby: where do you get the 20111129 date from?
Dec 20 03:53:13 <rwhitby> dwc-: /etc/palm-build-info
Dec 20 03:53:25 <dwc-> oh, so not from the date on the doctor, ok.
Dec 20 03:53:53 <PatrickC> hmmm... cant install com.palm.app.skype on the pre- 2.1 cause of dependency issues. ill research further and figure out if its at all possible
Dec 20 03:56:44 <dwc-> I guess I'll stop putting the wrong info in the wiki then ;)
Dec 20 03:58:42 <hewball> rwhitby: would love to try but i can wait till its out of testing, i havnt purchased enough apps
Dec 20 03:58:53 <Abyssul> PatrickC, use -force-depends
Dec 20 03:58:58 <PatrickC> tried
Dec 20 03:58:59 <summatusmentis> hewball: right there with you
Dec 20 03:59:10 <Abyssul> with mount -o remount, rw /
Dec 20 03:59:12 <PatrickC> root@Patrick Campanale's Palm Pre:/# ipkg install /media/internal/com.palm.app.s
Dec 20 03:59:13 <PatrickC> kype_1.1-8.3_armv7.ipk --force-depends
Dec 20 03:59:13 <PatrickC> ipkg install /media/internal/com.palm.app.s
Dec 20 03:59:13 <PatrickC> kype_1.1-8.3_armv7.ipk --force-depends
Dec 20 03:59:13 <PatrickC> Begin installation of com.palm.app.skype
Dec 20 03:59:13 <PatrickC> Installing com.palm.app.skype (1.1-8.3) to root...
Dec 20 03:59:15 <PatrickC> Configuring com.palm.app.skype
Dec 20 03:59:17 <PatrickC> Collected errors:
Dec 20 03:59:19 <PatrickC> Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for com.palm.app.skype:
Dec 20 03:59:21 <Abyssul> .... pastebin
Dec 20 03:59:21 <PatrickC>          skypem
Dec 20 03:59:22 <wrea> dude...pastebin
Dec 20 03:59:24 * PatrickC oops. meant to giest that
Dec 20 03:59:40 <Abyssul> Oh yeah. for 2.1.0 it wont work
Dec 20 03:59:45 <Abyssul> We already been there
Dec 20 03:59:50 <PatrickC> we have?
Dec 20 03:59:55 <dwc-> I know I tried that
Dec 20 03:59:56 <Abyssul> Yep, back when Verizon had Skype
Dec 20 04:00:03 <dwc-> with the vzw one and the pre3 one
Dec 20 04:00:13 <PatrickC> that one went thru the backend of vzw though, didnt it?
Dec 20 04:00:19 <dwc-> I also copied some skype frameworks over
Dec 20 04:00:29 <dwc-> but I couldn't add an account
Dec 20 04:02:44 <Abyssul> Point is, blindlessly installing and messing with package without knowing what to do will not get you anywhere.
Dec 20 04:02:52 <hewball> rwhitby: is it worth trying apptuckerbox for skype?
Dec 20 04:02:59 <summatusmentis> blindlessly?
Dec 20 04:03:06 <summatusmentis> does that "with vision"?
Dec 20 04:05:49 <dwc-> it means you have no blind people helping
Dec 20 04:08:40 <Abyssul> summatusmentis, ok maybe I didnt think that word throughly. I meant blindly lol
Dec 20 04:08:46 <summatusmentis> lol :)
Dec 20 04:09:07 <Abyssul> PatrickC, how about you search for a way to fix the out-of-scale notification icons in 2.2.4?
Dec 20 04:09:24 <PatrickC> Abyssul, idk why its doing it.. not sure where to start looking lol
Dec 20 04:09:37 <PatrickC> ill compare when i get my pre2 back from FL on if it does it too
Dec 20 04:10:31 <Abyssul> It does. Already confirmed it :p
Dec 20 04:10:43 <PatrickC> hrmm....
Dec 20 04:11:13 <Abyssul> Just find a global css attribute to scale down the dashboard notifications
Dec 20 04:14:05 <Abyssul> Just start posting "max-width: 80%" attributes.
Dec 20 04:14:48 * PatrickC goes to extract the doctor
Dec 20 04:15:13 <PatrickC> is it all icons or just specific ones?
Dec 20 04:15:14 <Abyssul> Some leads might be files named global-notifications.css :p
Dec 20 04:15:18 <Abyssul> I think its globally
Dec 20 04:15:19 * PatrickC doesnt see the pre2 a lot
Dec 20 04:15:32 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 20 04:15:37 <PatrickC> ill check in the usual spots
Dec 20 04:15:37 * bnceo` has 4 Pre2s
Dec 20 04:15:46 <bnceo`> my fam in Peru loves them
Dec 20 04:15:49 <Abyssul> bnceo`, awesome you can help
Dec 20 04:15:52 * PatrickC has 2. ones his dads and the other is in FL
Dec 20 04:16:12 <bnceo`> I can possibly help
Dec 20 04:16:22 <bnceo`> GSM Pre2. Refurb/repair
Dec 20 04:19:17 * PatrickC thinks it might be in https://gist.github.com/1500222
Dec 20 04:19:20 <PatrickC> not sure
Dec 20 04:19:28 <PatrickC> dont have the pre2 close
Dec 20 04:22:01 <Brybry> does PDL_Init actually do anything?
Dec 20 04:23:32 <PatrickC> now i think it might be here https://gist.github.com/1500230
Dec 20 04:25:06 <PatrickC> btmapalert-assistant.js O_o
Dec 20 04:25:20 <Abyssul> Thats bluetooth
Dec 20 04:25:40 <Abyssul> and thats css you linked to, just JS
Dec 20 04:25:42 <Abyssul> not*
Dec 20 04:26:38 <PatrickC> https://gist.github.com/1500230 <- thats called system-notification.css
Dec 20 04:37:55 * DougReeder waves hello
Dec 20 04:41:38 <Abyssul> no luck
Dec 20 04:56:54 <Abyssul> idk... i even edited it on the local level and it wont budge
Dec 20 04:59:08 <sethron> anyone tried to repair a broken volume contact on a Pre2?
Dec 20 05:07:46 <Abyssul> Gave up
Dec 20 05:09:58 <sethron> is there a method besides press and hold power and volume up until the large USB icon appears to enter recovery mode - when the volume up button is broken?
Dec 20 05:11:09 <DougReeder> can you activate Developer mode?
Dec 20 05:13:32 <sethron> my hardware volume up button is, um, out of warranty - i don't think I took it out of dev mode since meta-doctoring to 2.2.4
Dec 20 05:14:59 <sethron> still in dev mode via webos20090606
Dec 20 05:15:55 <DougReeder> I think you can re-flash it without using recovery mode
Dec 20 05:16:20 <rwhitby> sethron: can you novaterm into the device?
Dec 20 05:16:33 <sethron> rwhitby: yes
Dec 20 05:16:41 <rwhitby> "tellbootie recover"
Dec 20 05:20:43 <sethron> rwhitby: very well. i don't need to recovery now, just my volume up button is no more. the device menu patch controls it well. think there be more updates for Pre2?
Dec 20 05:20:57 <rwhitby> after 2.2.4 ?
Dec 20 05:21:08 <sethron> yes
Dec 20 05:21:13 <rwhitby> doubt it
Dec 20 05:26:52 <DougReeder> Does 2.2 fix the Media Indexer problem?
Dec 20 05:27:42 <Compn> sethron : i thought i saw some 'developer mode' apps in preware, but i dunno which devices it works on
Dec 20 05:27:54 <sethron> DougReeder: what apps had issues with media indexer
Dec 20 05:28:14 <Compn> sethron : er, usb mode possibly too
Dec 20 05:28:19 <sethron> Compn: it's a hardware issue
Dec 20 05:28:23 * Compn read entire catalog of apps and went braindead
Dec 20 05:28:25 <Compn> ah
Dec 20 05:28:35 <DougReeder> All 3rd paryy apps under webOS 2.1, at least
Dec 20 05:28:58 <Compn> yeah physical buttons suck
Dec 20 05:29:02 <sethron> Compn: rod recommended tellbootie recover a moment ago
Dec 20 05:29:07 <DougReeder> ...that use the Media Indexer.
Dec 20 05:30:25 <DougReeder> Sorry to repeat, but Adora , was the Media Indexer bug fixed in 2.2?
Dec 20 05:31:24 <sethron> DougReeder: i tried Koto player and that seems to be the one i had issues with.
Dec 20 05:31:42 <DougReeder> I searched the forums, but it wasn't clear.
Dec 20 05:42:17 <Tibfib> DougReeder: I have not heard anything confirming or denying
Dec 20 05:42:46 <DougReeder> Thanks, tibfib
Dec 20 05:43:42 <Tibfib> DougReeder: If you're looking for a fix, try out this ipk: http://forums.webosnation.com/hedami/277378-cant-play-anything-today.html#post2903551
Dec 20 05:45:08 <Tibfib> "a fix". chuckles
Dec 20 05:45:11 <DougReeder> If I can expect the Media Indexer to work for my users, I'll use it.  if I can't, I'll use another mechanism.
Dec 20 05:45:21 * DougReeder smiles
Dec 20 05:53:23 <Quietlyawesome94> Hey guys
Dec 20 05:53:47 <summatusmentis> hi
Dec 20 05:54:51 <Quietlyawesome94> WebOS quick install is stuck on "downloading and parsing"
Dec 20 05:55:56 <summatusmentis> you need to talk to the author, I don't believe webos-internals supports webOS QI
Dec 20 05:57:07 <resistivecorpse> isnt webos QI the method webos-internals wiki says to use to install preware?
Dec 20 05:57:25 <rwhitby> it's one of the 5 methods
Dec 20 05:57:35 <rwhitby> I personally use palm-install
Dec 20 05:57:43 <Quietlyawesome94> ha got it installed
Dec 20 05:57:48 <Quietlyawesome94> found an ipk
Dec 20 05:58:22 <summatusmentis> resistivecorpse: oh, good point
Dec 20 05:58:45 <summatusmentis> I certainly could be mistaken, although it'd be the first time :-P
Dec 20 05:58:57 <resistivecorpse> i just wonder why its advised i use that but isnt supported by webos-internals
Dec 20 06:00:16 <rwhitby> it's not written by webos-internals
Dec 20 06:00:27 <rwhitby> it's closed source software written by Jason Robitaille
Dec 20 06:00:38 <rwhitby> but it happens to be the most popular method for windows users
Dec 20 06:00:49 <Quietlyawesome94> ah well that makes sense
Dec 20 06:01:20 <rwhitby> as to why it's closed source, you'd need to ask him :)
Dec 20 06:02:12 <resistivecorpse> is there a link to his site with the wiki?
Dec 20 06:20:36 <rwhitby> there's a link to the support forum thread for the tool
Dec 20 06:23:31 <resistivecorpse> the site it links to wants be to pay $1 and it says its available for the tp but only has a send to phone # option :(
Dec 20 06:23:45 <resistivecorpse> *me to pay
Dec 20 06:24:14 <dwc-> that doesn't sound like the right site
Dec 20 06:24:26 <dwc-> that sounds like a link to the app catalog?
Dec 20 06:25:02 <resistivecorpse> https://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=ca.canuckcoding.wosqi.guide
Dec 20 06:25:15 <resistivecorpse> and yeah, its hosted by HP
Dec 20 06:25:51 <dwc-> oh, I guess that would be the guide
Dec 20 06:26:35 <dwc-> hit the http:// version of that on your device and it'll load it up in the app catalog
Dec 20 06:26:50 <dwc-> other than that, the forum
Dec 20 06:27:05 <Quietlyawesome94> any idea why preware keeps getting tons of errors when i update feeds?
Dec 20 06:27:12 <Quietlyawesome94> and wont download them
Dec 20 06:27:22 <resistivecorpse> i found it. it was the dl link that goes to the forum
Dec 20 06:27:23 <Synper311> its been odd for me today too, i'm seeing the Pre kernels
Dec 20 06:27:37 <rwhitby> Quietlyawesome94: depends on the errors
Dec 20 06:27:57 <rwhitby> usual case is folks who have followed incorrect instructions on XDA and haven't read testing.preware.org
Dec 20 06:28:46 <Quietlyawesome94> Seems like i saw alot of "Bad address" errors
Dec 20 06:29:13 <rwhitby> sounds like DNS issues on your device
Dec 20 06:29:17 <Quietlyawesome94> ah
Dec 20 06:29:30 <Quietlyawesome94> Ill figure it out tomorrow
Dec 20 06:29:36 <Synper311> rwhitby, is there anything going on back-end that would allow my Pixi to now see the Pre/Pre+ kernels?
Dec 20 06:29:38 <rwhitby> visit http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ to confirm
Dec 20 06:29:56 <rwhitby> Synper311: did you turn on ignore device compatibility ?
Dec 20 06:30:52 <Synper311> yes rwhitby, I have Push The Buttons syndrome it appears. Thank you for that. I think I hit that when I was exploring the App Tuckerbox additions to the most recent PreWare updat
Dec 20 07:24:20 <wrea> http://www.chuqui.com/2011/12/the-new-gig-now-at-infoblox/
Dec 20 07:35:38 <sethron> anyone have success with openssh sftp server on pre2 with 2.2.4? ive done everything on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH
Dec 20 07:36:45 <rwhitby> did you update multiple packages at once?
Dec 20 07:37:24 <sethron> just did install all with openssh sftp server
Dec 20 07:41:22 <_null> is the best way to learn enyo just to dig through the source?
Dec 20 07:41:50 <_null> the documentation is lacking im finding
Dec 20 07:43:59 <rwhitby> _null: presumably you've done the tutorial and looked at the examples ?
Dec 20 07:44:59 <_null> yes
Dec 20 08:34:29 <wrea> woo, segfault
Dec 20 08:37:08 <EricBlade> hmm. i just installed another TouchPad.. and it says that my account has two other TouchPads registered to it.. one that backs up regularly, and one that backed up last 38 days ago.  I have never had a second TouchPad on my account ...
Dec 20 08:41:31 <wrea> I got cmake to recognize the python version within the build environment, but using the toolchain causes a segfault while building node
Dec 20 08:57:27 <Ridius> Hello everyone. Got a slight problem I could use some help with
Dec 20 08:58:07 <Ridius> Just did a custom meta-doctor to get 2.2.4 onto my Verizon Pre 3 (used ATT 2.2.4 webOS.tar and Verizon 2.2.3 verizon-world.tar)
Dec 20 08:58:49 <Ridius> I skipped FU, did the NA Pre 3 (Verizon) Device Impersonation in Impostah
Dec 20 08:59:21 <Ridius> But my webOS account is showing a blank product field and 9.9.9 software version
Dec 20 08:59:30 <Ridius> And suggestions on how I can fix this so that I can restore my backup?
Dec 20 09:12:38 <dwc-> put 2.2.3 back on it?
Dec 20 09:13:08 <Ridius> Hehe, but that's too easy!
Dec 20 09:13:14 <panel> hello
Dec 20 09:52:33 <Ridius> @dwc: Well, I'm not going to figure it out tonight so I put it back on 2.2.3. :P
Dec 20 09:53:38 <Brybry> I really need to buy a bluetooth keyboard ._.
Dec 20 09:56:06 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: ping
Dec 20 10:00:59 <ka6sox-away> 5am
Dec 20 10:27:47 <Ridius> Ok, figured out why I couldn't get my VZW Pre 3 to behave... couldn't install the Device Profile Override Service so my webOS Account was all jacked up
Dec 20 10:27:52 <Ridius> I'll try it again tomorrow
Dec 20 10:27:58 <Ridius> g'night all
Dec 20 10:29:41 <Synper311> 5am indeed
Dec 20 10:30:07 <Synper311> anyone know if it is possible to have a distinct sound for the Charging event in webos as opposed to just using the System Notification Tone?
Dec 20 10:35:35 <EricBlade> possible, probably.  no default way of doing it, which is really annoying.
Dec 20 10:35:57 <Synper311> I'm a geek, I know, but I cut together charging and other notification sounds using the Half Life sounds
Dec 20 10:36:16 <Synper311> so for charging event, it says Power Restored and makes the HEV Suit charge noise :D
Dec 20 10:36:28 <Synper311> I also have warning tones for 10, 20, and Critical battery levels
Dec 20 10:36:35 <Synper311> It will make my life complete haha
Dec 20 12:24:03 <rwhitby> I wonder where people are getting the idea that mixing WR and ATT doctors together can end in anything other than a 9.9.9 ...
Dec 20 12:24:42 <rwhitby> dmSets is determined by one number in the webOS.tar, and one number in the carrier.tar - mix them together and you get a combination that is not valid.
Dec 20 12:28:25 <YeahRight_> rwhitby : you have a sec maybe? somehow my messaging / synergy app broke..my accounts are gone and when i press "add account" nothing happens..it's prob something preware installed since i didnt do anything weird with my webos afaik..is there any way to fix/troubleshoot this without loosing stuff?
Dec 20 12:28:58 <rwhitby> no idea.
Dec 20 12:30:14 <YeahRight_> i got one more weird thing..when i press either WIki or IRC for help in save/restore preware app both launch Software Updates??
Dec 20 12:30:44 <rwhitby> don't install broken stuff is all I can say. something has screwed your device
Dec 20 12:31:06 <YeahRight_> i only used preware i think
Dec 20 12:31:14 <rwhitby> preware is an installer
Dec 20 12:31:21 <rwhitby> it includes many feeds
Dec 20 12:31:36 <rwhitby> only stuff in the webos-internals feed is curated by webos-internals
Dec 20 12:31:48 <rwhitby> (webos-internals, webos-patches, webos-kernels)
Dec 20 12:31:54 <YeahRight_> yeah i understand
Dec 20 12:32:17 <YeahRight_> is there a way to see a chronologic list of stuff that i installed using preware?
Dec 20 12:32:19 <rwhitby> if you install stuff from the precentral feed, or stuff outside of feeds, you're on your own
Dec 20 12:33:26 <YeahRight_> precentral is an included feed
Dec 20 12:34:54 <rwhitby> that is correcct
Dec 20 12:35:59 <rwhitby> are you making some assertion that because webos internals created Preware that we have some responsibility for what is in the precentral feed?
Dec 20 12:36:22 <YeahRight_> no not at all
Dec 20 12:36:37 <YeahRight_> just trying to figure out what went wrong :P
Dec 20 12:37:18 <YeahRight_> in fact i think what you guys are providing is really great
Dec 20 12:37:55 <rwhitby> to see what you installed, novaterm in and ls -lr /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications
Dec 20 12:37:56 <YeahRight_> preware is prob the main reason i still use webos in the first place :-) .. touchpad has been my first encounter with webos
Dec 20 12:38:10 <YeahRight_> oh thanks! thats pretty usefull
Dec 20 12:38:24 <rwhitby> actually ls -lrt ...
Dec 20 12:38:29 <YeahRight_> k
Dec 20 12:57:43 <YeahRight_> stupid question but whats the correct way to power cycle a touchpad again?
Dec 20 13:05:48 <YeahRight_> ok nevermind..just turn off and turn it on again apparently :P
Dec 20 13:06:25 <YeahRight_> rwhitby : i seem to be missing PalmDatabase.db3 .. could that maybe have to do something with my problems?
Dec 20 13:07:08 <rwhitby> yep, that file is pretty much the center of the universe on 1.4.5
Dec 20 13:07:34 <rwhitby> but you're on a touchpad
Dec 20 13:07:38 <YeahRight_> yeah
Dec 20 13:07:42 <rwhitby> it still holds lots of stuff
Dec 20 13:07:45 <rwhitby> just not as much
Dec 20 13:07:54 <rwhitby> how did you lose it?
Dec 20 13:07:57 <YeahRight_> how the hell could that file gone missing
Dec 20 13:08:15 <Compn> YeahRight_ : you can also go settings > device info > reset options > restart / shutdown
Dec 20 13:08:15 <YeahRight_> i noticed because save/restore couldnt find it
Dec 20 13:08:35 <rwhitby> oh, that's cause it's not in 3.x - I remember now
Dec 20 13:08:37 <YeahRight_> thanks Compn
Dec 20 13:08:46 <rwhitby> all that stuff has moved to db8 in 3.x
Dec 20 13:08:54 <YeahRight_> oh so i'm not really missing it then..heh
Dec 20 13:12:22 <YeahRight_> so save/restore doesnt support touchpad yet for all PalmDatabase.db8 stuff?
Dec 20 13:15:15 <rwhitby> No, cause it's all saved in db8 and restored by your profile
Dec 20 13:17:10 <YeahRight_> restored by my profile? how would i get my profile to restore it? i think the problems might be related to this file maybe
Dec 20 13:19:32 <YeahRight_> everything related to "accounts" seems fucked..for ex when clicking accounts in impostah the wheel just keeps spinning..same in Contacts or Agenda or Messaging
Dec 20 13:44:32 <Shiggs|MB> hey guys so I installed the 'remove android' patch to remove CM7 altogether from my TP for now, and it tells me to install the Tailor application to rid of the rest of the stuff. Where in PreWare do I find that?
Dec 20 13:44:48 <Shiggs|MB> searching wields nothing
Dec 20 13:46:24 <Compn> http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/304871-tailor-device-live-partition-filesystem-editor-alpha-testing-2.html
Dec 20 13:46:35 <Compn> dunno where it is , but theres forum post :P
Dec 20 13:46:48 <Compn> you didnt like android Shiggs|MB ?
Dec 20 13:47:19 <Shiggs|MB> Compn: it's not that I didn't like it... it's that it lacked certain things that I'd want in order to run it full time ;)
Dec 20 13:47:24 <Shiggs|MB> and thanks for the link
Dec 20 13:48:25 <Shiggs|MB> What would I have to remove to get rid of the android partitions? just /data?
Dec 20 13:52:27 <vividboarder> rm -fr /
Dec 20 13:52:30 <vividboarder> >_>
Dec 20 13:52:48 <vividboarder> JK, just in case you didn't realize it.
Dec 20 13:52:55 <vividboarder> There should be more than that.
Dec 20 13:53:21 <vividboarder> You could probably use a webos doctor... don't those rewrite all partitions?
Dec 20 13:55:14 <ka6sox-away> vividboarder, not necessarily
Dec 20 13:55:36 * vividboarder is still new to the webOS bidnaz.
Dec 20 13:56:07 <ka6sox-away> unless some partitions are majorly hozed the remain thru a doctor
Dec 20 13:56:17 <ka6sox-away> a wipe would do something else.
Dec 20 13:57:15 <rwhitby> Shiggs|MB: use Tailor to remove the cm-* partitions and then resize the media partition back to the full size
Dec 20 14:03:22 <Shiggs|MB> I have the latest alpha but I don't seem to be able to resize /media
Dec 20 14:04:37 <Shiggs|MB> I have a 2056 MB partition there that's unused
Dec 20 14:05:35 <Shiggs|MB> rwhitby:
Dec 20 14:06:52 <Shiggs|MB> I've removed all the android labeled partitions... is it safe to swipe away Tailor?
Dec 20 14:07:35 <Shiggs|MB> I see a '*' blinking at the top right of my screen
Dec 20 14:07:36 <Shiggs|MB> on the TP
Dec 20 14:07:46 <Shiggs|MB> I assume that means changes were made to the partition map
Dec 20 14:07:51 <Shiggs|MB> unsaved changes
Dec 20 14:08:06 <ka6sox-away> heartbeat
Dec 20 14:08:13 <ka6sox-away> means its not dead
Dec 20 14:08:19 <Shiggs|MB> AHh
Dec 20 14:08:19 <Shiggs|MB> haha
Dec 20 14:08:47 <ka6sox-away> useful when you think its taking too long to do something.
Dec 20 14:08:52 <Shiggs|MB> ah yeah
Dec 20 14:08:55 <Shiggs|MB> good point
Dec 20 14:08:59 <Shiggs|MB> so I can swipe it away?
Dec 20 14:09:08 <ka6sox-away> you will need to reboot
Dec 20 14:09:15 <Shiggs|MB> after swiping it away?
Dec 20 14:09:25 <ka6sox-away> or not...but you need to reboot.
Dec 20 14:09:30 <Shiggs|MB> and I have that 2GB partition sitting there
Dec 20 14:09:58 <ka6sox-away> for now, leave it..you can revisit it next time you use Tailor
Dec 20 14:10:10 <ka6sox-away> and resize /media
Dec 20 14:34:23 <Shiggs|MB> ka6sox-away: yeah... I dunno how.. it's not giving me that option
Dec 20 15:35:33 <dwc-> hmm, pressing stuff launches a different app, I've seen stuff like that... tempermental reboot-fixing sort of thing though
Dec 20 15:54:48 <PuffTheMagic> morphis, pong
Dec 20 15:55:34 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: you ever experienced problems with the palmpre regarding arm neon support?
Dec 20 15:56:12 <PuffTheMagic> i think i have
Dec 20 15:56:17 <PuffTheMagic> what issue are u having
Dec 20 15:56:27 <YeahRight_> anyone here got any clue when hp might release webos 3.05?
Dec 20 15:56:34 <YeahRight_> since it might solve my synergy issues maybe...
Dec 20 16:11:31 <Brybry> I totally broke the jailer for pdk apps, fun times
Dec 20 16:12:45 <Brybry> and not in the good meaning of broke
Dec 20 16:14:53 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: it's about enlightenments evas library
Dec 20 16:15:12 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: it can be compiled with neon support and if we do so the whole device freezes
Dec 20 16:24:08 <PuffTheMagic> what toolchain and what other cflags are you using
Dec 20 16:25:14 <PuffTheMagic> morphis, this is what Palm recommends -> -mcpu=cortex-a8 -mfpu=neon -mfloat-abi=softfp
Dec 20 16:26:20 <morphis> puuh
Dec 20 16:26:43 <morphis> I need to ask our build guy
Dec 20 16:26:45 <morphis> wait a moment
Dec 20 16:28:09 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: for the toolchain?
Dec 20 16:28:22 <morphis> or for building the software components?
Dec 20 16:30:38 <PuffTheMagic> well for the components
Dec 20 16:32:01 <morphis> ok
Dec 20 16:32:19 <morphis> will check this
Dec 20 16:34:26 <NuttyBunny> hey, was anyone able to successfully use the 2.2.4 skype client on a 2.1 Pre2?
Dec 20 16:37:03 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: we're only missing -mcpu=cortex-a8 but have -mtune=cortex-a8
Dec 20 16:45:03 <PuffTheMagic> is mtune even doing anything
Dec 20 16:45:33 <PuffTheMagic> i thought mcpu was only for a certain version of gcc and up
Dec 20 16:47:27 <ka6sox-away> I've seen it in 3.X series for a long time.
Dec 20 17:11:21 <dwc-> NuttyBunny: is it worth trying still?
Dec 20 17:11:38 <dwc-> when you can 2.2.4 your pre2?
Dec 20 17:11:57 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: hm
Dec 20 17:12:13 <morphis> PuffTheMagic: I think I need to track it down to the failing command in evas ...
Dec 20 17:12:47 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: My mom has my Pre minus, my sister is in Europe, they use skype. The minus is too slow with 2.1.  If I could slap skype on the Plus, she could happily use it, to keep in touch with my sister.... I won't give her my Pre2 or Pre3 :D
Dec 20 17:13:18 <NuttyBunny> I still have some error with gstreamer :S
Dec 20 17:13:37 <PuffTheMagic> morphis, u ever figure out what toolchain you are using
Dec 20 17:13:48 <PuffTheMagic> is it a CS toolchain or one you built your self
Dec 20 17:13:50 <morphis> it OE's toolchain
Dec 20 17:14:03 <morphis> so it's a toolchain build on our own
Dec 20 17:14:06 <ka6sox-away> NuttyBunny, via wifi or baseband?
Dec 20 17:14:09 <dwc-> oh, so getting it on 2.1 on the pre2 is a step toward getting it on the + with 2.1
Dec 20 17:14:19 <PuffTheMagic> i had no problems building the EFL libs in gentoo and I used the flags I sent you
Dec 20 17:14:26 <PuffTheMagic> but i used a toolchain i made
Dec 20 17:14:31 <morphis> ok
Dec 20 17:14:31 <NuttyBunny> ka6sox-away, wifi
Dec 20 17:14:35 <PuffTheMagic> and i only tested out the elementary demo
Dec 20 17:15:12 <ka6sox-away> the Plus really only has a memory boost, not a speed boost...
Dec 20 17:15:28 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: PatrickC was playing with it. I need mostly the messaging part, but voice could be a plus.  I'm really looking to put it on the Pre Plus
Dec 20 17:15:44 <ka6sox-away> NuttyBunny, are you using compcache on the Pre-?
Dec 20 17:16:17 <NuttyBunny> ka6sox-away, but with the memory boost it gets faster as is stops swapping everything :D   And yes, I have compcache, but it still lags :(
Dec 20 17:16:53 <dwc-> I played with it briefly, but didn't care enough after finding that installing the ipk and copying over a dependent pkg wasn't enough
Dec 20 17:17:07 <ka6sox-away> NuttyBunny, too bad, but understandable.
Dec 20 17:18:08 <dwc-> odd. this pre3 hasn't backed up its profile since 10/16
Dec 20 17:18:15 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: yep, I've copied 3 libraries already and I don't get any more errors, but the account validator still throws some gst error :'(
Dec 20 17:18:49 <dwc-> yea, that's where I left mine
Dec 20 17:19:46 <NuttyBunny> wtf is an RSA private key doing inside the skypevalidator executable? :)
Dec 20 17:21:31 <ka6sox-away> welcome to closed sourc apps...ya never know what will be in there.
Dec 20 17:21:59 <dwc-> validating some sort of request, you hope :)
Dec 20 17:22:29 <ka6sox-away> probably validating the App.
Dec 20 17:22:36 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. maybe
Dec 20 17:26:48 <dwc-> hm, pre3 stuck on "Preparing" its backup
Dec 20 17:34:00 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, mine did the same thing....long time then it just was done.
Dec 20 17:41:29 <dwc-> alright, guess I'll let it sit another hour or so
Dec 20 17:41:34 <dwc-> ps shows it running and waiting for something
Dec 20 17:41:59 <dwc-> one entry in messages about perms and ls2, nothing else seems backups related
Dec 20 17:44:02 <ka6sox-away> dwc-, is this your first backup?
Dec 20 17:44:26 <dwc-> no... it says the last one was oct 16
Dec 20 17:48:01 <NuttyBunny> dwc-, install skype, copy relevant skype files over, copy 3 library files and overwrite a couple of other ones :D
Dec 20 17:49:45 <NuttyBunny> logged in to skype from my pre plus right now. it's downloading the contacts and synergizing stuff
Dec 20 17:50:30 <NuttyBunny> argh.. "Unable to connect: No skype acount"
Dec 20 17:50:40 <NuttyBunny> but at least the messaging part is there
Dec 20 17:52:19 <NuttyBunny> Perhaps I need to update the phone app, which in turn requires enyo... *sigh*
Dec 20 18:00:46 <dwc-> nice
Dec 20 18:00:50 <dwc-> but you can get enyo from the maps app
Dec 20 18:01:15 <dwc-> so that should work
Dec 20 18:08:56 <NuttyBunny> dwc-: but I'm not logged to a profile.  Got it tho.
Dec 20 18:50:35 <NuttyBunny> argh.. no skype phone!!! ... should I be happy with just the messaging part? :S
Dec 20 18:57:09 <dwc-> wanna share which libs you nuked?
Dec 20 18:57:28 <dwc-> just for other people's knowledge (I'm probably going to go the -> 2.2.4 route myself)
Dec 20 19:04:50 <NuttyBunny> I'll try harder for the voice part, and if it doesn't work, I'll make a wiki page in webos-internals.  Of course, provided that rwhitby gives me my edit permissions back :P
Dec 20 19:10:49 <ka6sox-away> NuttyBunny, you got them revoked?
Dec 20 19:10:54 <ka6sox-away> or it just stopped working?
Dec 20 19:12:53 <NuttyBunny> ka6sox-away: it's been a long time since I edited the 2.1 spanish upgrade tutorial, and I wanted to add something a couple of months ago, and the edit link doesn't appear anymore
Dec 20 19:13:01 <NuttyBunny> I don't know when that happened
Dec 20 19:13:06 * ka6sox-away fixes
Dec 20 19:13:20 <Saijin_Naib> That is unfortunate man
Dec 20 19:13:33 <wrea> might if been before the spamming problems then
Dec 20 19:13:55 <Saijin_Naib> People spam wikis?
Dec 20 19:14:14 <NuttyBunny> wrea, yes, someone mentioned spam
Dec 20 19:14:38 <ka6sox> NuttyBunny, cesneg?
Dec 20 19:14:42 <ka6sox> is that your user?
Dec 20 19:14:54 <NuttyBunny> nope, NuttyBunny
Dec 20 19:15:09 <ka6sox> iinteresting
Dec 20 19:15:10 <NuttyBunny> who ? what? what email does that cesneg have?
Dec 20 19:15:46 <ka6sox> neither are there....wierd
Dec 20 19:15:54 <ka6sox> resetup your account and I will fix you up.
Dec 20 19:16:10 <NuttyBunny> mmm... but I can login with nuttybunny
Dec 20 19:16:42 <NuttyBunny> User id 3227
Dec 20 19:16:55 <NuttyBunny> Member of groups:	Autoconfirmed users, Users
Dec 20 19:18:15 <ka6sox> okay, this is one for our wikimaster (scoutcamper) as its bork3n and won't come up for me.
Dec 20 19:19:28 <NuttyBunny> hehehe.. ok :)
Dec 20 19:20:35 <ka6sox> NuttyBunny, its NuttyBunny...has to be EXACT...stupid thing :P
Dec 20 19:20:48 <halfhalo> tsktsktsk
Dec 20 19:20:51 <Saijin_Naib> Case sensitive logins? :P
Dec 20 19:21:18 <NuttyBunny> ah, sorry, yes, my username is... NuttyBunny (correct case)
Dec 20 19:21:33 <ka6sox> NuttyBunny, try editing now please?
Dec 20 19:22:37 <NuttyBunny> ka6sox: Nice, it now says "edit".  I believe you ;)
Dec 20 19:22:43 <NuttyBunny> Thanks!
Dec 20 19:22:50 <ka6sox> NuttyBunny, yw
Dec 20 19:54:58 <PuffTheMagic> HOLY SHIT
Dec 20 19:55:06 <PuffTheMagic> when did this come about /opt/PalmPDK/bin/nova-browser
Dec 20 19:55:06 <Saijin_Naib> good or bad?
Dec 20 19:55:11 <Saijin_Naib> no way
Dec 20 19:55:29 <Saijin_Naib> Pre browser source?
Dec 20 19:55:41 <PuffTheMagic> views files on your device
Dec 20 19:55:48 <PuffTheMagic> and supports get/send
Dec 20 19:56:13 <Saijin_Naib> Is this a CLI tool?
Dec 20 19:56:20 <PuffTheMagic> gui
Dec 20 19:56:40 <Saijin_Naib> Wow... that is pretty slick. So Palm did have a file manager planned?
Dec 20 19:56:54 <Saijin_Naib> is that from the 2.2.4 doctor or where did you find that one?
Dec 20 19:56:54 <PuffTheMagic> well the one in novatool is better :D
Dec 20 19:57:10 <PuffTheMagic> part of the pdk, which version idk
Dec 20 19:57:37 <Saijin_Naib> I dont recall seeing it in the 3.0 one I downloaded to work on my Pixi
Dec 20 19:57:43 <Saijin_Naib> Then again, I may simply have overlooked it
Dec 20 19:59:02 <Saijin_Naib> if thats part of the PDK, does that mean those APIs are for public use?
Dec 20 19:59:14 <Saijin_Naib> So ostensibly, an app could be app-cat approved using those features?
Dec 20 19:59:26 <PuffTheMagic> what features are u talking about?
Dec 20 19:59:42 <Saijin_Naib> access to file system
Dec 20 20:00:04 <Saijin_Naib> Remotely, similar to SSH but with a GUI. Or is it just an ssh tool?
Dec 20 20:00:12 <PuffTheMagic> this is via novacom
Dec 20 20:00:15 <PuffTheMagic> nothing special here
Dec 20 20:00:19 <PuffTheMagic> not an API
Dec 20 20:00:21 <Saijin_Naib> :C derp. My bad
Dec 20 20:01:35 <Saijin_Naib> got excited
Dec 20 20:01:55 <Brybry> guhhhh, I was trying to work out for forever why /etc/jail_native-palm.conf wouldn't work with pdk apps and was causing the jailer to crash
Dec 20 20:02:15 <Brybry> nojail = true is case sensitive and needs to be NOJAIL = true
Dec 20 20:02:16 <Brybry> ._.
Dec 20 20:02:46 <Brybry> strings to the rescue
Dec 20 20:03:14 <PuffTheMagic> wait what?
Dec 20 20:03:33 <PuffTheMagic> are u working with C plugin hybrids or pdk apps?
Dec 20 20:03:40 <Brybry> pdk apps
Dec 20 20:03:48 <Brybry> I've been messing with sdlterminal
Dec 20 20:04:10 <Brybry> (only the 234234th person to do so)
Dec 20 20:04:12 <PuffTheMagic> and u have fixed the jailer crash?
Dec 20 20:04:18 <Brybry> yup
Dec 20 20:04:33 <PuffTheMagic> because if u have, then I will turn that into a pretty hybrid
Dec 20 20:04:38 <PuffTheMagic> instead of a standard pdk app
Dec 20 20:05:22 <Brybry> though to fix it with an ipk one would have to mount -o rw / so they can edit the jail config (or add a new jail config file just for the app)
Dec 20 20:05:29 <Brybry> though I'm curious if maybe you don't have to do it that way
Dec 20 20:05:40 <PuffTheMagic> ya that is standard postinst stuff
Dec 20 20:05:41 <PuffTheMagic> easy to do
Dec 20 20:05:46 <PuffTheMagic> but i never tried NOJAIL
Dec 20 20:06:14 <Brybry> can package a jail config with the app and then edit /var/palm/data/jailusers to point to that?
Dec 20 20:06:32 <PuffTheMagic> i wouldnt package a whole config
Dec 20 20:06:39 <Brybry> well, a "config" is just
Dec 20 20:06:41 <Brybry> one line
Dec 20 20:06:50 <PuffTheMagic> so then use sed and echo in a postinst
Dec 20 20:06:56 <PuffTheMagic> no need to add the file to the package
Dec 20 20:07:03 <Brybry> oh, yeah, I guess that's true
Dec 20 20:07:11 <dwc-> you wouldn't want to overwrite jailusers anyways
Dec 20 20:07:14 <Brybry> the bigger issue to me is not remounting
Dec 20 20:07:21 <dwc-> you don't know what the user has installed
Dec 20 20:07:21 <ka6sox> when the postinst is done it remounts it ro right?
Dec 20 20:07:28 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, not sure about that
Dec 20 20:07:41 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, so just to confirm, NOJAIL is all it needs?
Dec 20 20:08:11 <Brybry> should be, I tested it both ways twice
Dec 20 20:08:24 <Brybry> worked with NOJAIL did not work with nojail
Dec 20 20:08:39 <PuffTheMagic> cause I already have an ipk for SDLterm as a hybrid
Dec 20 20:08:43 <PuffTheMagic> let me test if this work
Dec 20 20:08:50 <PuffTheMagic> cause if so, i can push that to beta feed
Dec 20 20:08:54 <PuffTheMagic> and start making it sexy
Dec 20 20:09:06 <ka6sox> alpha?
Dec 20 20:09:10 <PuffTheMagic> or that
Dec 20 20:10:23 <dwc-> blargh. the pre3 still thinks it's preparing a backup
Dec 20 20:10:30 <dwc-> oh well. doctor time
Dec 20 20:12:58 <ka6sox> dwc-, a backup fail == Doctor?
Dec 20 20:13:10 <dwc-> no, I was going to doctor 2.2.4 on it anyways
Dec 20 20:13:32 <dwc-> but I was trying to force a backup first
Dec 20 20:13:38 <PuffTheMagic> SWEET
Dec 20 20:13:46 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, u are the man!
Dec 20 20:14:00 <dwc-> sdlterm? what happened to wterm
Dec 20 20:14:07 <PuffTheMagic> wterm is now dead
Dec 20 20:14:19 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo never works on it
Dec 20 20:14:34 * halfhalo got busy
Dec 20 20:14:57 <dwc-> yea, he had a new rig to make
Dec 20 20:15:48 <halfhalo> that, and someone ran over the mysql db with a spiderbot today at work
Dec 20 20:16:20 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, so i dont mean to stop on your parade, but would u object to me finishing up eterm now that plugin doesnt crash?
Dec 20 20:16:21 <Brybry> it does feel kind of weird to need nojail though for a terminal but I couldn't figure out exactly what kind of setup sdlterminal needed for a proper jail
Dec 20 20:16:57 <Brybry> go right ahead
Dec 20 20:17:34 <PuffTheMagic> awesome
Dec 20 20:17:45 <Brybry> I'm usually not motivated enough to turn my hacks into release quality apps
Dec 20 20:19:28 <ka6sox> Brybry, its because the Jail doesn't support things like access to the shell and other things.
Dec 20 20:19:52 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vYnU2Yg/eterm_2011-20-12_150809.png
Dec 20 20:19:55 <ka6sox> and libraries like ssl
Dec 20 20:20:28 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, im using the name wTerm for this
Dec 20 20:20:30 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, gonna tweaksify that so we can set font/size/foreground/background?
Dec 20 20:20:30 <PuffTheMagic> cause eTerm sucks
Dec 20 20:20:41 <Brybry> can you not add whatever you want to the jail? it's just a application to facilitate chroots
Dec 20 20:20:47 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, tweaks, no, why would I do that
Dec 20 20:20:53 <halfhalo> PuffTheMagic its your app
Dec 20 20:20:54 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, config is going to be part of the app
Dec 20 20:21:00 <PuffTheMagic> not some other external app
Dec 20 20:21:02 <Brybry> I know I easily added all of /dev to the chroot
Dec 20 20:21:22 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, it was our app
Dec 20 20:21:23 <ka6sox> Brybry, because they only allow certain whitelisted things in a chroot.
Dec 20 20:21:36 <Brybry> but gdb through the jailer with no symbols is...unfun
Dec 20 20:21:43 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, this isnt some xterm job where proper config cant be added to the app itself
Dec 20 20:21:59 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, this is a aproper enyo/hybrid, it will have in app prefs
Dec 20 20:22:35 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, fine...that is just an important thing for us old foggies who can't see blue on black @ 8pt
Dec 20 20:22:49 <PuffTheMagic> idk why is blue
Dec 20 20:23:04 <PuffTheMagic> i think the ansi color in sdlterm are messed or something
Dec 20 20:23:06 <PuffTheMagic> that should be red
Dec 20 20:23:34 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, got a twitter handle
Dec 20 20:23:36 <PuffTheMagic> ?
Dec 20 20:23:39 <Brybry> nope
Dec 20 20:23:49 <ka6sox> Brybry, tyvm for discovering this...often it just takes someone looking @ it differntly.
Dec 20 20:23:57 <PuffTheMagic> yes
Dec 20 20:24:01 <PuffTheMagic> this is huge
Dec 20 20:24:06 <PuffTheMagic> no more need for X11 and xterm
Dec 20 20:24:58 <PuffTheMagic> and now wTerms custom oskb can be put to good use
Dec 20 20:25:00 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, not for straight webOS terminal apps...
Dec 20 20:25:28 <PuffTheMagic> what is a straight webos terminal app?
Dec 20 20:25:47 <Brybry> you can't do straight terminal =/
Dec 20 20:25:48 <ka6sox> ie not developing or using X11 apps on webOS
Dec 20 20:25:57 <Brybry> you can do javascript hackery or SDL/opengl
Dec 20 20:26:05 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, im still confused
Dec 20 20:26:08 <ka6sox> nm
Dec 20 20:26:18 <ka6sox> xterm won't be going away
Dec 20 20:26:35 <PuffTheMagic> ka6sox, i can add launch args to this so that u can run irssi if instead of login if needed
Dec 20 20:26:35 <ka6sox> just wont' get used for better than 2/3 of what is has been.
Dec 20 20:28:09 <ka6sox> s/is/it/
Dec 20 20:28:10 <infobot> ka6sox meant: just wont' get used for better than 2/3 of what it has been.
Dec 20 20:28:15 <Brybry> I dunno if you've run into this but sdlterm on the touchpad seems to have issues with the number of columns or something in some situations (I noticed this with top)
Dec 20 20:28:27 <Brybry> or I guess that would be rows/lines
Dec 20 20:29:05 <Brybry> anyway, it magically fixed itself when I decreased the number of lines shown so that I could display the virtual keyboard but I have no idea why =/
Dec 20 20:30:39 <summatusmentis> wait, does this mean Terminal can come back?
Dec 20 20:30:57 <ka6sox> summatusmentis, would seem so.
Dec 20 20:31:12 <summatusmentis> because, quite frankly, I would _love_ to be able to use the webOS symbol picker in terminal
Dec 20 20:31:27 <summatusmentis> as it stands now, I can't ssh to my lab computer from my phone :)
Dec 20 20:31:31 <ka6sox> does that work for SDL apps?
Dec 20 20:31:43 <summatusmentis> because xterm won't let me pop up a symbol picker
Dec 20 20:31:49 <summatusmentis> wait, was Terminal an SDL app?
Dec 20 20:32:37 <ka6sox> nm...Puff is talking about a hybrid.
Dec 20 20:32:47 <summatusmentis> yeah, hybrid
Dec 20 20:32:49 <summatusmentis> that's what I want
Dec 20 20:33:08 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: as if you need more things to work on, but GO GO GO
Dec 20 20:34:42 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, i have the columns stuff worked out already
Dec 20 20:35:19 <ka6sox> PuffTheMagic, and full screen (well close) with BT keyboard?
Dec 20 20:35:32 <PuffTheMagic> fullscreen is easy
Dec 20 20:35:34 <Brybry> one can already do fullscreen
Dec 20 20:35:50 <Brybry> the original author had that working
Dec 20 20:35:55 <PuffTheMagic> BT keyboard is not high my priority since the bt keyboard is a krippled pos
Dec 20 20:36:21 <PuffTheMagic> first prio is get the oskb from wTerm working with it
Dec 20 20:36:32 <PuffTheMagic> the one with arrow and function keys ;)
Dec 20 20:37:45 <Brybry> yeah, the native virtual keyboard doesn't interact well with pdk apps =/
Dec 20 20:39:05 <PuffTheMagic> well the main issue is that the native vkb and bt keyboard are both useless for terminal use
Dec 20 20:40:32 <Brybry> can't tell what size it is currently (well, without using sqlite and peeking into the database file), doesn't have ctrl/alt/function keys/arrow keys/escape, can't tell when it changes sizes/capture when users press the change size buttons
Dec 20 20:40:52 <PuffTheMagic> my custom vkb has all those buttons :D
Dec 20 20:40:56 <Brybry> also has multitouch issues and it blocks/eats events
Dec 20 20:41:02 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, give me a few min
Dec 20 20:41:03 <Brybry> a custom vkb is definitely the way to go
Dec 20 20:41:08 <Brybry> but that's a lot of work D:
Dec 20 20:41:11 <PuffTheMagic> my keyboard does multitouch too
Dec 20 20:42:53 * ka6sox sticks with his hacked up Xterm.
Dec 20 20:46:01 * Brybry was using hacked up ajaxTerm before this
Dec 20 20:49:36 <summatusmentis> I've been using xterm
Dec 20 20:49:45 <summatusmentis> cuz it works "mostly ok"
Dec 20 20:49:53 <summatusmentis> :q
Dec 20 20:49:58 <summatusmentis> sorry, wrong window
Dec 20 20:53:13 <PuffTheMagic> i've never used xterm, x11 is not running in a card on my TP
Dec 20 20:54:11 <Brybry> same
Dec 20 21:03:22 <Saijin_Naib> anyone feel like making 20$ to update/expand a patch? :P
Dec 20 21:05:28 <Adora> PuffTheMagic: your mom does multitouch
Dec 20 21:05:37 <Saijin_Naib> zing
Dec 20 21:06:25 * PuffTheMagic thinks this is the first time Adora has spoken to him with out him asking her a question first
Dec 20 21:08:00 <Adora> I never fail to seize the opportunity for a "your mom" joke
Dec 20 21:11:09 <Saijin_Naib> nobody?
Dec 20 21:11:09 <Saijin_Naib> :C
Dec 20 21:12:50 <summatusmentis> Saijin_Naib: I don't know anything about patching, but what is it?
Dec 20 21:14:50 <Saijin_Naib> To expand upon the current "Select Alert & Notification Tones" and the "Custom Low-Battery Notification Sounds" patches, and streamline them into one comprehensive patch
Dec 20 21:22:41 <summatusmentis> oh, I'm the wrong person for that
Dec 20 21:23:41 <Saijin_Naib> Thats okay :) Thanks for listening. If it would make anyone more receptive, I'll paypal you the money before you even start as a sign of good faith
Dec 20 21:26:25 <dwc-> yay patch bounties!
Dec 20 21:26:57 <Saijin_Naib> dwc, are patch bounties something that is frowned upon? If so, my bad. I'm used to them from OS/2 eComStation
Dec 20 21:27:05 <dwc-> I don't think so
Dec 20 21:27:32 <ka6sox> naw...when you want something bad enough and you can't do it yourself (like I can't)
Dec 20 21:27:41 <Saijin_Naib> I tried my hand at editing the patches manually, but they always fail/are refused. I'm clearly over my head or just doing some little stupid thing wrong
Dec 20 21:28:09 <Saijin_Naib> First issue rwhitby helped me with was Internalz editor had windows end-line format on, changed that. They still won't apply
Dec 20 21:28:25 <Saijin_Naib> then I downloaded Notepad++ and set it up for Unix files and editted the patches there, still won't apply.
Dec 20 21:30:04 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: fwiw i had xserver running as an enyo hybrid but due to bugs around 3.0.0 that made things way too slow, fwiw
Dec 20 21:30:29 <dtzWill> and x11 isn't going anywhere, i love having a little mini linux session on-the-go :3
Dec 20 21:31:45 <PuffTheMagic> does anyone know how unix user/group id's are generated
Dec 20 21:32:38 <dwc-> usually, max+1
Dec 20 21:32:39 <Saijin_Naib> Unix? The most complex way possible :P
Dec 20 21:32:50 <dwc-> on many systems, within a certain defined range
Dec 20 21:33:27 <Saijin_Naib> Do they remain unique if you say remove an account and create a new one? Is that ID never re-allocated?
Dec 20 21:33:41 <dwc-> depends on the system
Dec 20 21:33:54 <dwc-> if you have 1000, 1001, 1002, typically if you remove 1001 and then add a new user, you'll end up with 1003
Dec 20 21:34:07 <Saijin_Naib> Ah okay, cool. Good to know
Dec 20 21:34:16 <dwc-> if we're talking about how palm specifically does it, my guess is the the sources should reveal a bit
Dec 20 21:34:21 <dwc-> I know there's an adduser binary
Dec 20 21:34:21 <PuffTheMagic> dwc-, but how is that number generated
Dec 20 21:34:41 <PuffTheMagic> is there something stored somewhere that knows that last id added?
Dec 20 21:34:48 <dwc-> most linux-based systems use the adduser package
Dec 20 21:35:04 <summatusmentis> dtzWill: have you tried x11 as a hybrid on more recent versions?
Dec 20 21:35:10 <dwc-> configuration can be often found in /etc
Dec 20 21:36:04 <dwc-> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root             7 Mar  9  2011 /bin/adduser -> busybox
Dec 20 21:36:12 <PuffTheMagic> i know about add user
Dec 20 21:36:19 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic: usually not
Dec 20 21:36:28 <PuffTheMagic> i just want a way to generate new unique user id with out adding a user
Dec 20 21:36:46 <dwc-> getent passwd | cut -d: -f3?
Dec 20 21:37:21 <PuffTheMagic> and then run max()=1
Dec 20 21:37:24 <PuffTheMagic> and then run max()+1
Dec 20 21:37:33 <PuffTheMagic> i was just hoping there would be a better way
Dec 20 21:38:05 <dwc-> well, there's usually a range
Dec 20 21:38:11 <dwc-> traditionally low numbers are system users/daemons
Dec 20 21:38:21 <dwc-> (<500, <1000, depending on system etc)
Dec 20 21:38:45 <dwc-> the highest numbers are traditionally system users too... nobody/nogroup, nfsuser/etc
Dec 20 21:38:59 <PuffTheMagic> well im really talking about /var/palm/data/jailusers
Dec 20 21:39:02 <Saijin_Naib> if anyone wants that patch bounty, pm me. I have to go to a meeting >_<
Dec 20 21:39:22 <dwc-> so how does palm assign those userids
Dec 20 21:39:28 <dwc-> that's the important question
Dec 20 21:39:41 <dwc-> because you need to make sure you don't conflict with how they do it
Dec 20 21:40:42 <Seq> Does anybody have 2.2.4 working on the unlocked NA pre2? I get a continuous 'hp' logo after logging in to my palm account. Tried with both orig webosdoctorp224pre2wr.jar, and metadoctor'd w/ DEVICE=pre2 and CARRIER=wr. Should I try forcing a different carrier (att, maybe?)
Dec 20 21:52:07 <ka6sox> in /etc/ there are confs for different jail_* users
Dec 20 21:52:19 <ka6sox> the only one that currently has NOJAIL is Triton
Dec 20 21:53:12 <PuffTheMagic> :/
Dec 20 21:53:15 <PuffTheMagic> wish i tried that
Dec 20 21:53:43 <PuffTheMagic> long ago
Dec 20 21:53:51 <ka6sox> I did mention it.
Dec 20 21:54:08 <PuffTheMagic> the fact that it was in caps
Dec 20 21:54:12 <PuffTheMagic> and the other nojail's were not?
Dec 20 21:56:11 <dwc-> I have another nojail, I think
Dec 20 21:56:15 <ka6sox> they changed it.
Dec 20 21:56:24 <dwc-> /etc/jail_native-palm.conf
Dec 20 21:56:40 <dwc-> but I started on webos2
Dec 20 21:57:01 <dwc-> so you can customize (almost) whatever you want if you want more devices, files copied, etc
Dec 20 21:57:38 <ka6sox> read /etc/jail_minimum.conf
Dec 20 21:57:52 <ka6sox> this is the "conf" for a nojail:true
Dec 20 21:58:15 <ka6sox> in webos2 they used the triton user
Dec 20 21:58:21 <dwc-> if someone figures out how to make setrlimit:CORE stuff work though
Dec 20 22:24:55 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: nope, maybe i should give it a go :)
Dec 20 22:47:57 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, ping
Dec 20 22:49:46 <Brybry> mmm?
Dec 20 22:50:02 <PuffTheMagic> Brybry, http://ompldr.org/vYnU5eQ/wterm_2011-20-12_174242.png
Dec 20 22:50:26 <Brybry> oh that's pretty
Dec 20 22:52:31 <JetUni17> So for some reason I have 2 HP webOS accounts, but when I go to Accounts in Impostah it doesn't give me enough info to feel comfortable deleting one of them. Is there any way to tell which is which?
Dec 20 22:53:30 <Brybry> I'm guessing that's bash/not sh?
Dec 20 22:54:03 <JetUni17> From the contacts app I know which one I want to delete, but I don't know which one it is in the accounts app or Impostah
Dec 20 22:56:03 <JetUni17> Can anyone help me with Impostah?
Dec 20 23:00:22 <rwhitby> JetUni17: what are you wanting to use it for?
Dec 20 23:00:52 <JetUni17> To delete one of the 2 HP webOS accounts I somehow have.
Dec 20 23:01:05 <JetUni17> I'm not sure which is which though, really
Dec 20 23:01:57 <bhuey> folks
Dec 20 23:02:02 <wrea> hi bhuey
Dec 20 23:02:05 <bhuey> hey
Dec 20 23:02:06 <JetUni17> rwhitby is there a way to stop one from syncing?
Dec 20 23:04:13 <rwhitby> you can use the Accounts tab to delete one of them
Dec 20 23:04:50 <JetUni17> rwhitby: One of them shows 0 contacts in the contacts app. Thats the one I want to delete, but how do I figure what account it is from the Accounts tab?
Dec 20 23:05:17 <rwhitby> dunno, I've never had two
Dec 20 23:05:33 <rwhitby> when you go into them are the json contents different
Dec 20 23:06:51 <JetUni17> rwhitby: Yes they are.
Dec 20 23:07:12 <rwhitby> what's different about them?
Dec 20 23:08:41 <JetUni17> the _id, the _rev
Dec 20 23:09:52 <rwhitby> is that all?
Dec 20 23:11:41 <dwc-> how'd you end up with 2?
Dec 20 23:11:49 <JetUni17> yes, including the _id for all the capability providers
Dec 20 23:12:15 <rwhitby> if they are both the same, it probably doesn't matter which one you delete, but I don't know honestly.
Dec 20 23:12:48 <JetUni17> dwc-: I believe it may have happened when I left my profile on my Pre+ and logged in on the Pre3
Dec 20 23:13:08 <JetUni17> rwhitby: they're different _id and _rev
Dec 20 23:14:56 <JetUni17> rwhitby: I can email them
Dec 20 23:16:36 <JetUni17> rwhitby: If _rev is 22856 on one and 22857 on the other, do you think the one ending in 7 is the newer one?
Dec 20 23:16:52 <rwhitby> probably
Dec 20 23:18:03 <JetUni17> rwhitby, ok, will it delete everything like phone calls and messages if it's the wrong one?
Dec 20 23:18:16 <rwhitby> dunno.
Dec 20 23:18:24 <rwhitby> you should backup everything as if it will
Dec 20 23:18:37 <rwhitby> and then be pleasantly surprised if it does not
Dec 20 23:20:52 * rwhitby bbl
Dec 20 23:22:28 <JetUni17> rwhitby: backup using the backup app?
Dec 20 23:27:13 <PuffTheMagic> halfhalo, wTerm just did a dmesg without crashing
Dec 20 23:38:39 <JetUni17> rwhitby: I figured it out! I created a new contact on each, then went through the database tab and found them and they each have an accountId corresponding the the _id I found earlier.
Dec 20 23:39:02 <JetUni17> And the one ending in 6 was the newer one...
Dec 20 23:58:53 <dwc-> I thought wterm was dead!
Dec 20 23:59:16 <wrea> wterm is dead, long live wterm!
Dec 21 00:13:17 <EricBlade> wterm?  is that a step prior to xterm?
Dec 21 00:14:00 <EricBlade> considering that X11 has been around my entire life, i don't think iw ant to know how far back W would be
Dec 21 00:31:54 <PatrickC> hey. so NuttyBunny got skype working :)
Dec 21 00:32:13 <PatrickC> for the most part i believe
Dec 21 01:01:11 <PuffTheMagic> http://ompldr.org/vYnVhcg/wterm_2011-20-12_195416.png
Dec 21 01:01:17 <PuffTheMagic> ^^ not perfect but pretty decent
Dec 21 01:03:34 <PatrickC> wterm? :D
Dec 21 01:03:43 <PuffTheMagic> yup
Dec 21 01:03:44 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: what's not perfect about it?
Dec 21 01:04:34 <PuffTheMagic> well i have my term in xterm mode, which has all sorts of crazy escape commands for inserting and deleting chars and rows at different locations
Dec 21 01:04:36 <PuffTheMagic> so for example
Dec 21 01:04:46 <PuffTheMagic> that greenbar should go across the whole screen and it doesnt
Dec 21 01:05:09 <PuffTheMagic> also the colored cpu meters dont always render properly
Dec 21 01:05:15 <PatrickC> pre3 2.2.4 OTA is now live
Dec 21 01:05:23 <PuffTheMagic> if drop this back down to vt102 it would prob look fine
Dec 21 01:05:53 <PuffTheMagic> i dont think libvterm has been updated since 2009
Dec 21 01:06:06 <PuffTheMagic> i might have to fork it, put it on github and maintain it in the future
Dec 21 01:07:24 <PuffTheMagic> but there is no memory explosion when dmesg runs like there was for old wterm
Dec 21 01:07:29 <PuffTheMagic> so that is a big step forward
Dec 21 01:08:05 <bhuey> hey PuffTheMagic
Dec 21 01:08:45 <PuffTheMagic> bhuey, hey whats up
Dec 21 01:10:26 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, any new news on ls2 for older devices?
Dec 21 01:12:19 <hewball> hmm not seeing the 2.2.4 ota update yet on the pre3 :(
Dec 21 01:12:32 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, havent even tried yet
Dec 21 01:12:37 <PatrickC> ok
Dec 21 01:14:44 <bhuey> PuffTheMagic: just working here and stuff
Dec 21 01:20:56 <dtzWill> PuffTheMagic: is that code somewhere? and how do you feel about me lifting the custom keyboard?
Dec 21 01:21:02 <dtzWill> (and does it dismiss?)
Dec 21 01:21:47 <PatrickC> hey dtzWill, long time no see :)
Dec 21 01:21:48 <dtzWill> my agenda includes throwing a custom vkb on xserver (and therefore xterm), and a)you did it already and it looks nice and b)sharing where we can seems reasonable
Dec 21 01:22:13 <dtzWill> PatrickC: yeah, i've been here all along just not very active (err at all :))
Dec 21 01:22:26 <dtzWill> but here for hi's and all that always ;) :P
Dec 21 01:22:27 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 21 01:22:41 <dtzWill> PatrickC: ditto, how goes it?
Dec 21 01:22:50 <dtzWill> i see you're working on project macaw, is that right?
Dec 21 01:22:52 <PatrickC> ive been lurking too.. ill be doing more lurking now then participating now that i dont have webOS as my daily user :/
Dec 21 01:22:55 <PatrickC> yep
Dec 21 01:23:03 <dtzWill> <3 it's my main twitter client on my pre3
Dec 21 01:23:07 <PatrickC> nice!
Dec 21 01:23:08 <dwc-> 2.2.4 ota? dammit. I just doctored
Dec 21 01:23:11 <dwc-> oh well
Dec 21 01:23:13 <PatrickC> whats your handle?
Dec 21 01:23:22 <PatrickC> dwc-, yep. i updated my post on WOR
Dec 21 01:23:30 <dtzWill> and i've been meaning to give it another whirl on the touchpad since apparently some attention has been given to the layout/column size/etc
Dec 21 01:23:41 <PatrickC> that it has
Dec 21 01:23:46 * dwc- doesn't read WOR
Dec 21 01:23:53 <dtzWill> i love graphite but it's...slow? cost of being gorgeous perhaps, i don't know.
Dec 21 01:24:11 <dtzWill> PatrickC: @wdtz :)
Dec 21 01:24:21 <dtzWill> ota for pre? yaaayyyyy
Dec 21 01:24:39 <PatrickC> im already following :)
Dec 21 01:24:49 <dtzWill> hehe \o/ ty
Dec 21 01:24:56 <PatrickC> dtzWill, you should read WOR :)
Dec 21 01:25:13 <dtzWill> i do, just haven't touched my news feeds today
Dec 21 01:25:32 <PatrickC> ah lol
Dec 21 01:25:50 <dwc-> where's my OTA for pre2
Dec 21 01:26:03 <dtzWill> i was waiting for the OTA b/c i'm too lazy to backup misc things
Dec 21 01:26:12 <dtzWill> (even with all the amazing tools people've built to facilitate that)
Dec 21 01:27:05 <dwc-> that's why I just doctored the pre3
Dec 21 01:27:09 <dwc-> I don't have much on it
Dec 21 01:27:12 <PatrickC> dwc-, already out? (re: pre3)
Dec 21 01:27:23 <dwc-> ?
Dec 21 01:27:42 <PatrickC> pew2*
Dec 21 01:27:43 <PatrickC> sorry
Dec 21 01:27:47 <PatrickC> pre2**
Dec 21 01:28:05 <dwc-> what?
Dec 21 01:28:10 <dtzWill> sigh, disabling apptuckerbox feeds for now since it makes preware so sllooww. on my pre3 anyway. memory issue, maybe?
Dec 21 01:28:13 * PatrickC is stupid....
Dec 21 01:28:17 <PatrickC> i should read better lol
Dec 21 01:28:21 <dtzWill> offhand remove any patches other than muffle before OTA? O:)
Dec 21 01:28:23 <dwc-> there's a 2.2.4 OTA for the NA pre2?
Dec 21 01:28:34 <dwc-> (and all EU pre2?)
Dec 21 01:29:52 <PatrickC> dtzWill, i totally forgot about that lol
Dec 21 01:30:00 <PatrickC> i just did the OTA. kernel installed and everything
Dec 21 01:30:13 <dwc-> oh holy shit, you're right
Dec 21 01:30:22 <dwc-> HP webOS 2.2.4 is now available.  It's about 46 MB.
Dec 21 01:30:33 <dtzWill> oh yeah i usually do that (just upgrade with everything installed) and usually mostly works
Dec 21 01:30:45 <dtzWill> certainly nothing disasterous, just sometimes patches get in a confused state
Dec 21 01:30:51 <summatusmentis> PuffTheMagic: ping
Dec 21 01:30:53 <dwc-> EricBlade: you can stop waking up to check for the 2.2.4 pre2 update and going back to sleep
Dec 21 01:30:54 <dtzWill> nothing one of the emergency things can't fix
Dec 21 01:31:03 * dtzWill is dl'ing 2.2.4 atm
Dec 21 01:31:18 <EricBlade> dwc-: i got it when the dr came out.
Dec 21 01:31:30 <EricBlade> but thank you  for the notice :)
Dec 21 01:31:31 <Abyssul> is there any purpose of the ".palm" folder in the usb driver? Its taking up 2.5GB on my Touchpad....
Dec 21 01:31:41 <Abyssul> drive*
Dec 21 01:31:53 <dwc-> depends... do you like your installed apps?
Dec 21 01:32:05 <dwc-> compare du -sh /media/internal/.palm with /media/cryptofs
Dec 21 01:32:09 <Abyssul> Is that where they are installed and not cryptofs?
Dec 21 01:32:21 <dwc-> cryptofs is backed by that dir
Dec 21 01:33:37 <Abyssul> all I hear is delete it :p
Dec 21 01:34:15 <dtzWill> Abyssul: it's what your cryptofs 'really' is
Dec 21 01:34:21 <dtzWill> so it's your apps/settings/etc
Dec 21 01:34:25 <dwc-> won't break anything important
Dec 21 01:34:28 <summatusmentis> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0051QVESA/ref=famstripe_k ?
Dec 21 01:34:44 <summatusmentis> sorry, wrong window
Dec 21 01:34:58 <dtzWill> lol depends on what you mean. i'd say uninstalling all my apps unexpectedly a form of 'breaking' :P
Dec 21 01:35:07 <dwc-> those apps aren't important :P
Dec 21 01:35:21 <dtzWill> yeah, that's what the cloud is for :D
Dec 21 01:35:29 <EricBlade> apps are useless, we have flash
Dec 21 01:35:44 <dtzWill> EricBlade: lol
Dec 21 01:35:56 <EricBlade> wait.. did i jump in the wrong conversation
Dec 21 01:37:56 <dtzWill> well that's strange.
Dec 21 01:38:12 <dtzWill> OTA failed (retrying again) *after* downloading, in the 'unpacking...' stage, claiming it was unable to connect
Dec 21 01:40:29 <dwc-> now all we need is an OTA and Dr for the veer....
Dec 21 01:40:41 <dwc-> even if they don't update the A6
Dec 21 01:41:56 <PatrickC> dwc-, what was the pre2 OTA?
Dec 21 01:41:58 <PatrickC> 2.2.4?
Dec 21 01:42:16 <PatrickC> i just saw your comment on my post on WOR
Dec 21 01:44:35 <dwc-> yes
Dec 21 01:45:00 <dwc-> that's what I said earlier... and I thought you were going to "read better" ;)
Dec 21 01:45:59 <PatrickC> you said "now" :)
Dec 21 01:46:28 <PatrickC> i thought something new emerged ;)
Dec 21 01:48:17 <dwc-> that is new!
Dec 21 01:48:30 <dwc-> for all the NA and some significant percentage of the EU
Dec 21 01:48:58 <PatrickC> oh, it was officially released?
Dec 21 01:49:05 <PatrickC> do you have a screenshot for me? :)
Dec 21 01:51:00 <dwc-> should look a lot like the EU ones
Dec 21 01:51:46 <PatrickC> we didn't do a writeup on those. i dont have one to reference to :)
Dec 21 01:51:54 <PatrickC> and i dont have a pre2 that isnt sprint here to get one from
Dec 21 01:52:03 <PatrickC> (we == WOR)
Dec 21 01:52:45 <dwc-> http://i43.tinypic.com/30selv6.png
Dec 21 01:53:29 <summatusmentis> is there a mechanism by which to test patches for inclusion for 2.2.4 in preware?
Dec 21 01:53:40 <summatusmentis> in particular, "remove send button"
Dec 21 01:53:42 <dwc-> and now I need to chmod -x the update daemon until I can run a backup
Dec 21 01:55:06 <dwc-> and I'll probably have to re-plop skype on the pre3 again
Dec 21 01:55:16 * dwc- didn't check
Dec 21 01:55:58 <dtzWill> summatusmentis: you mean besides trying to apply them yourself and seeing if they work? :)
Dec 21 01:56:15 <summatusmentis> :-/
Dec 21 01:56:18 <summatusmentis> ok
Dec 21 01:56:20 <dtzWill> other than that, idk. i thought we had a mechanism that checked if a given patch applied cleanly to a particular webos version at some point
Dec 21 01:56:26 * summatusmentis goes to find USB cable
Dec 21 01:56:30 <dtzWill> but that's not quite good enough, since it could apply cleanly and do nothing
Dec 21 01:56:34 <dtzWill> or not work right, etc
Dec 21 01:57:27 <summatusmentis> is there a repo or something?
Dec 21 01:59:16 <dwc-> github/webosinternals
Dec 21 01:59:25 <dwc-> modifications.git? i think?
Dec 21 02:01:30 <summatusmentis> moved away from git.webos-internals.org?
Dec 21 02:01:50 <dwc-> no, I think that one moved from gitorious
Dec 21 02:03:07 <summatusmentis> it's /patches
Dec 21 02:04:54 <dwc-> wonder if there's a vzw doctor to go with the vzw ota
Dec 21 02:05:26 <PatrickC> http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/manta/p224r0d12192011/wdmantaverizon/webosdoctorp224mantaverizon.jar
Dec 21 02:05:31 <PatrickC> ^^ that?
Dec 21 02:07:02 <dwc-> so it really is just the veer now?
Dec 21 02:07:19 <dwc-> that is missing 2.2.4 ota+dr?
Dec 21 02:07:49 <PatrickC> i believe so
Dec 21 02:08:20 <dwc-> I tried url hacking a vzw the other night
Dec 21 02:08:27 <dwc-> vzw dr
Dec 21 02:08:28 <PatrickC> lol
Dec 21 02:09:18 <dwc-> should ompare my shell history later just to see how far off, or whether it was just not there
Dec 21 02:09:29 <summatusmentis> is there a recommended way of going about applying patches manually?
Dec 21 02:10:13 <PatrickC> summatusmentis, looking to become a patch developer?
Dec 21 02:10:28 <summatusmentis> no, just wanting patches on 2.2.4 that aren't available yet :)
Dec 21 02:11:09 <dwc-> patch -b.old -p1 < foo.diff?
Dec 21 02:13:36 <dwc-> actually I think I have the -b part wrng
Dec 21 02:16:13 <summatusmentis> -p1 means you have to be in a particular place though
Dec 21 02:16:40 <dwc-> yes. /
Dec 21 02:16:53 <dwc-> nothing higher than that
Dec 21 02:19:32 <summatusmentis> hrm, this patch failed to apply
Dec 21 02:19:45 <summatusmentis> oh, rw root partition
Dec 21 02:21:43 <summatusmentis> no, broken
Dec 21 02:21:56 <summatusmentis> guh, I don't have time to work on this now
Dec 21 02:22:06 <dwc-> I alwaus use --dry-run to test first
Dec 21 02:22:15 <summatusmentis> yeah, I should have
Dec 21 02:22:20 <dwc-> saves on half-broken files
Dec 21 02:22:31 <dwc-> but your -b should have backed up all
Dec 21 02:22:40 <dwc-> not just the .orig for failed ones
Dec 21 02:23:32 <summatusmentis> oh, I just reversed it
Dec 21 02:27:43 <dwc-> i keep forgetting about vzw, migt need dr/ota for vzw pre2 too
Dec 21 02:37:12 <bnceo`> nice to see some less fragmentation
Dec 21 02:37:19 <bnceo`> just need that Veer to come to 2.2.4
Dec 21 02:37:55 <wrea> yeah
Dec 21 02:39:30 <bnceo`> and that vzw pre2 that dwc- talked about
Dec 21 02:40:12 <dwc-> I don't know, I was asking
Dec 21 02:44:48 <dwc-> who picks the featured article on the wiki
Dec 21 02:45:30 <dwc-> this one starts by saying the pdk isn't out yet
Dec 21 02:46:06 <rwhitby> dwc-: intertia does
Dec 21 02:46:58 * dwc- is on mobile site where it is much more prominently featured, he
Dec 21 02:50:43 <rwhitby> The wiki editor position is open ... ;)
Dec 21 02:52:04 <dwc-> there's only one wiki editor position? doest that defeat the point? ;-)
Dec 21 02:52:47 <bnceo`> haha @ dwc-
Dec 21 02:54:21 <dwc-> I've actually been meaning to try to organize/label stuff in the wiki
Dec 21 02:54:40 <dwc-> and mark stuff thats out of date
Dec 21 02:55:09 <rwhitby> awesome
Dec 21 02:55:10 <dwc-> but to be perfectly honest, Im not  big fan of wikis, heh
Dec 21 02:55:31 <dwc-> mostly wikisyntax
Dec 21 02:55:38 <scoutcamper> dwc-, but wiki editors work with me!
Dec 21 02:55:45 <dwc-> but I'll try when I have some more time
Dec 21 02:56:29 <dwc-> I know, but the internal wiki we had at one org I did stuff for
Dec 21 02:56:46 <dwc-> I mysqldumped the wiki into text files out of cron
Dec 21 02:56:59 <dwc-> easier for me to grep ;)
Dec 21 02:58:02 <scoutcamper> lol!
Dec 21 02:58:46 <dwc-> I was going to make a wikivi to edit and submit changes
Dec 21 02:58:53 <dwc-> but never got around to it
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