**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 21 02:59:56 2011 Dec 21 04:09:24 anyone updated their Pre3 to 2.2.4? Dec 21 04:10:19 me Dec 21 04:11:51 I presume there are not patches ready for it yet Dec 21 04:12:02 at least the advanced framework one Dec 21 04:12:15 nope Dec 21 04:14:01 ya. The phone prompted me to update. got pushed to me Dec 21 04:14:11 oh well. no patches/kernel for a couple of days is not bad Dec 21 04:14:34 scoutcamper: on what basis are you making that statement? Dec 21 04:15:11 rwhitby, the fact that i dont see advanced framework in my preware feeds Dec 21 04:15:19 I see them in my feeds Dec 21 04:15:27 but just get errors installing them Dec 21 04:15:41 I took off my theeme and did the EPR before and after update Dec 21 04:16:32 * scoutcamper dunnos Dec 21 04:16:47 * scoutcamper bbl (time to decorate the tree :D ) Dec 21 04:17:45 http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/2.2.4/ Dec 21 04:18:46 yup. That matches the feed on preware for me Dec 21 04:19:10 Would you like to see an IPKG log? Dec 21 04:21:03 Pre3 still says it's up to date... bah Dec 21 04:21:20 NuttyBunny: im still getting that on ATT one Dec 21 04:22:12 AT&T update worked for me. slowly making its way Dec 21 04:22:34 Any changelog? Is it worth the wait? Dec 21 04:22:49 * NuttyBunny hits the refresh button again Dec 21 04:22:52 * rwhitby just hit 10K tweets on @webosinternals Dec 21 04:23:09 * bnceo` claps for rwhitby Dec 21 04:23:11 im seeing error log of "OmaDm: Unrecognized carrier ATT " Dec 21 04:23:17 hewball: that's normal Dec 21 04:23:18 NuttyBunny: don't drive yourself nuts Dec 21 04:23:28 rwhitby: good to know :D Dec 21 04:23:39 bnceo`, I don't plan to install it anyway ;) Dec 21 04:23:42 no harm in getting it 5 days later or what not Dec 21 04:24:13 I wonder if carrier approval is the only thing stopping the Veer from getting up to date Dec 21 04:26:01 Now I'm getting scam friend requests on Skype ... on my Pre Plus :D Dec 21 04:26:36 bnceo`: id hope not, why must carriers get involved in software updates Dec 21 04:26:51 hewball, Ask Telcel :@ Dec 21 04:27:03 usually cause they are the first port of call for support for dumb users Dec 21 04:27:05 cause carriers have to make sure the update doesn't do anything stupid to their networks Dec 21 04:27:30 unless a deal is struck to bypass that such as Nexus S devices or whatnot Dec 21 04:27:33 bnceo`: like giving access to paid apps? hehehe Dec 21 04:28:10 but since Pre3 is tech without contract (and Pre2 is unlocked), it got updates fast and straight from the source. bypassing carriers Dec 21 04:28:18 i gotta say i do like the way apple does phones with carriers, but when your that big they want the damn phones to sell Dec 21 04:28:19 at least that's my assumption Dec 21 04:28:51 apple has a ton of power. They probably push the updates out themselves. made a deal with the carriers to bypass them Dec 21 04:29:07 bnceo`: its more like take our phone as is, or dont Dec 21 04:29:13 And when one update comes out, it's out for all devices and version (except the older ones) Dec 21 04:29:28 yup. exactly. bargaining power Dec 21 04:29:46 sadly is makes a consistent user experience too, that no one else does Dec 21 04:32:24 Hey! 2.2.4 for Pre 2 OTA! Cool!! :D 46Mb Dec 21 04:33:39 no way! lucky! Dec 21 04:35:10 Yep! The Pre 2 has it (unlocked), but the Pre 3 doesn't! Dec 21 04:35:27 Now I just need to make the voice skype work on my Plus and I'll be happy :D Dec 21 04:36:04 think there will be an update for those European pre+'s?  probably just wishful thinking Dec 21 04:36:35 RMind, Nah, legacy devices are long forgotten Dec 21 04:37:41 yup. It's over for Legacy users. Pre2 is the low bar now Dec 21 04:38:06 was someone looking at mixing parts of pre+ 2.1 with pre2 2.2.4? Dec 21 04:38:47 probably Dec 21 04:38:54 no iodea how the performance on it would be Dec 21 04:38:59 That may be PatrickC, he loves to do that :P Dec 21 04:39:26 I'm trying to do skype, but it requires replacing at least the phone app Dec 21 04:39:35 which in turn requires enyo Dec 21 04:39:39 no... I'd remember if it was patrickc Dec 21 04:58:33 what do i love to do? lol Dec 21 04:59:07 * PatrickC wants 2.2.4 on his pre- Dec 21 04:59:18 but i dont have a pre- anymore :/ Dec 21 05:00:39 who said anything about 2.2.4 on a Pre-? Dec 21 05:00:49 <_minego> PatrickC did Dec 21 05:00:56 I only want skype :) Dec 21 05:00:58 PatrickC: I want it on my Pre2. Didn't seem to work Dec 21 05:01:01 micah!!! Dec 21 05:01:07 <_minego> That's me Dec 21 05:01:18 Seq, what doesnt work about it? Dec 21 05:01:19 Pre- is not up to the task. Perhaps the Plus Dec 21 05:01:28 _minego, i thought u didnt use IRC? Dec 21 05:01:35 check out #project-macaw Dec 21 05:01:40 <_minego> I do from time to time. I was helping someone debug something. Dec 21 05:01:46 the - is always up to the task :) Dec 21 05:01:57 the - should be thrown in the bin Dec 21 05:02:22 PatrickC: Got past signing into my palm account, reboots, and just stays on the 'hp spinner forever. Dec 21 05:02:38 Seq, weird Dec 21 05:02:48 the - is still good for a comms board :) Dec 21 05:03:05 right, you should take that out before throwing it in the bin Dec 21 05:03:18 rwhitby: Agreed. Same goes for the little unwanted brother, the Pixi :) Dec 21 05:03:32 The Pixi won't even work for that Dec 21 05:03:45 at least the Pixi Plus has wifi Dec 21 05:04:08 PatrickC: I plugged in to USB, and it goes to the main webos screen, asking for usb/charge. Whatever I choose (or if I dismiss the dialog), the UI appears to freeze for a second, then go back to the 'hp' spinner. Repeat. Dec 21 05:04:51 Seq, weird. mine doesnt do that... Dec 21 05:05:07 Unfortunately because it is a fresh doctor, I don't have dev mode enabled, so.... Dec 21 05:05:29 My attempt to put 2.1 back on seemed to have failed, not sure why yet. Dec 21 05:05:54 I think I should have probably acquired a spare phone before mucking about Dec 21 05:06:13 * NuttyBunny remembers the old times, back when windows meta-doctor support was disabled because of weeeeeird problems :) Dec 21 05:07:09 I can build a metadoctor pre2 2.2.4 image with developer console enabled already, can't I? Then at least I could look for logs? Dec 21 05:07:31 NuttyBunny: you can send pixis to puff Dec 21 05:07:42 NuttyBunny, lol. i remember those days :) Dec 21 05:08:07 dwc-: No, my 2.1 Pixi is my trophy ;) Dec 21 05:08:13 Seq, you can enable dev mode from the login screen Dec 21 05:09:33 How does MetaDoctor disable to update dameon? Dec 21 05:09:51 chmod? Dec 21 05:10:44 chmod -x build/${PATIENT}/rootfs/usr/bin/UpdateDaemon Dec 21 05:10:45 chmod -x build/${PATIENT}/rootfs/usr/bin/OmaDm Dec 21 05:11:05 Whats the purpose of OmaDM? Dec 21 05:11:11 was it that hard to look into the Makefile? Nope ;) Dec 21 05:11:20 I didn't think of that til now Dec 21 05:12:03 PatrickC: Really? I assumed I couldn't since I can't even access the device menu to see battery stats, etc Dec 21 05:12:29 Seq, on the physical type ## on CDMA and #* on GSM Dec 21 05:12:44 Wait, if the update daemon was disabled in the scripts, how did devices get faux 2.x.x updates? Dec 21 05:12:47 then type 3386633# following the ##/#* Dec 21 05:14:00 Just saying because people are getting actual 2.2.4 update for their 2.1.0 frankenPre2s Dec 21 05:14:01 Abyssul: updates are only disabled in some scripts Dec 21 05:16:46 Ahh, I see that now Dec 21 05:17:12 I guess Palm released the update globally then instead of to a select few today. Dec 21 05:17:45 and since frankenPre2's report themselves as WR, they are included. Dec 21 05:25:04 NuttyBunny, have you narrowed down why skype won't work on the +? Dec 21 05:25:23 Not enough dependencies? Dec 21 05:29:29 I think he said he got all-but-voice working Dec 21 05:29:32 which is pretty cool Dec 21 05:30:37 oh nice Dec 21 05:30:42 RagingMind, dwc-: Messaging works flawlessly, but voice won't. The phone app isn't capable of using the skype account (marked with PHONE capability, where the skype account in 2.1 is marked as VOICE capability) Dec 21 05:30:55 Thats better than nothing Dec 21 05:31:19 Export the phone app from 2.2.4 into 2.1.0? Dec 21 05:31:30 probably not that simple Dec 21 05:31:34 The first thing could be use the enyo phone app in 2.1, but it keeps looping somewhere (logs say that) and I get a white screen instead of the phone app Dec 21 05:32:01 Abyssul: Yep, seems to depend on more than just the app :( Dec 21 05:32:30 oh, this is generic skype from 2.2.4? Dec 21 05:32:36 But messaging+contact synergy works :D Dec 21 05:32:36 grep skype in the 2.2.4 files? Dec 21 05:32:52 Abyssul: yep, done that already Dec 21 05:33:29 they're way to different. 2.1 is based on Mojo, 2.2.4 is based on enyo for most of the main apps Dec 21 05:33:49 *too Dec 21 05:33:49 Really? The only enyo app in my 2.2.4 is the phone app Dec 21 05:33:51 can you change what capability it is marked as? Dec 21 05:36:33 Abyssul, really? only the phone one? :) I didn't look into it that well Dec 21 05:37:19 Im pretty sure. All the other apps act mojo-ish Dec 21 05:37:37 Shoot, the phone app even has the mojo appmenu (but enyo animation) Dec 21 05:38:02 RMind, The voice capability only permits the 2.1 phone app to use the verizon's skype mobile voice gateways, it doesn't work as the 2.2.4 skype :( Dec 21 05:38:31 There are so many skype files Dec 21 05:38:47 You sure you didn't try copying all of them over? :p Dec 21 05:39:45 dbus skype service too Dec 21 05:39:45 You have to copy those over, and 4 libraries, and the mediaserver executable. That allows you to sign in and at least use messaging :P Dec 21 05:40:12 Idk, I just used win7 search on the webOS filesystem Dec 21 05:40:44 Got like 50 hits scattered throughout Dec 21 05:41:05 i prefer to use something like tar cvzf ~/skype.tgz `find . -print | grep skype` Dec 21 05:41:19 one clean line, no extra windows :P Dec 21 05:41:30 you windows people and your windows ;) Dec 21 05:41:40 is there a script somewhere to automatically extract 2 doctor images and compare file diffs? Dec 21 05:41:58 script? no. Method? yes Dec 21 05:42:24 Extract the webOS.tar and compare MD5sum's Dec 21 05:42:38 (of individual files) Dec 21 05:47:46 Hello Dec 21 05:47:53 Hola Dec 21 05:48:02 :) Dec 21 05:48:11 Abyssul: But you still have to decide what files to overwrite/edit Dec 21 05:48:15 webOSHead, hey Dec 21 05:48:35 Hello NuttyBunny! Dec 21 05:48:41 Just blindly copy them all Dec 21 05:48:48 Does anyone here have a Pre3? Dec 21 05:48:51 Live on the edge Dec 21 05:50:33 might actually get node to compile Dec 21 05:50:59 I just dowloaded webOS 2.2.4 on my HP Pre3 and wondering what where the bug fixes adressed in this odd update, Does anyone know what bugs where fixed? Dec 21 05:51:27 Nope Dec 21 05:51:29 webOSHead: wondering the same here ;) Dec 21 05:51:55 Compare the 2.2.3 webOS tar with 2.2.4 Dec 21 05:52:54 NuttyBunny: My AT&T Pre3 seems a bit faster. IDK if it has do with the bug fixes. Dec 21 05:53:19 Probaly placebo Dec 21 05:53:34 webOSHead: I'll go with the fact that you just restarted it Dec 21 05:53:42 Hey Adora ! Dec 21 05:54:03 It's been about an hour or 2 since I did the update. Dec 21 05:55:13 yep, wait a couple of days :P Dec 21 05:55:56 Hopefully we'll be treated to a nice update on the HP veer too. Dec 21 05:56:34 Okay, so it looks like I have "CRASH! LunaSysMgr". Anybody have any advice on how i can narrow this down: /var/log/messages: http://chrisirwin.ca/messages (too big for pastebin) Dec 21 05:56:53 they bricked all their veers, so now they cant relased an update without testing it :P Dec 21 05:57:04 release* Dec 21 05:57:30 Lol I saw that thread. Left and right people bricking their Veers Dec 21 05:57:44 Seq, what happens to the device? Dec 21 05:59:14 Abyssul: Sits on 'hp' spinner forever. If I plug in to USB, it goes to the main webos screen asking for usb/charge. Whatever I choose (or if I dismiss the dialog), the UI appears to freeze for a second, then go back to the 'hp' spinner. "CRASH!" comes up in the messages, Repeat. Dec 21 05:59:54 sounds like it's time for a doctor Dec 21 05:59:54 What device and version? Dec 21 06:00:03 yeah, I suggest just doctoring it Dec 21 06:00:21 pre2, 2.2.4. This is a fresh doctor Dec 21 06:00:37 I ended up making a metadoctor to enable developer mode so I could get the logs Dec 21 06:00:48 unlocked NA pre2 Dec 21 06:00:59 What script are you using Dec 21 06:01:04 Oop my bad Dec 21 06:01:16 I was thinking frankenPre2 Dec 21 06:01:38 The last time I saw that error, I installed the wrong kernel for the wrong device Dec 21 06:01:42 The kernel is crashing Dec 21 06:02:12 kernel is crashing? I've got a constant connection via novaterm? It looks like it's just UI layer stuff Dec 21 06:02:40 Doesnt make sense if you doctored it Dec 21 06:03:14 <_minego> okay I'm gonna head to bed Dec 21 06:04:28 Abyssul: That's what I thought. I deleted the device from my palm profile via their website, hoping that it was some settings. Didn't seem to help. Dec 21 06:04:55 I think I'll re-doctor, and try creating a new profile. Might be something that is included in the backup somewhere/ Dec 21 06:05:02 Try logging into a temporary Palm Profile? Dec 21 06:05:49 Seq: Redownload the Doctor, make sure you're using the correct version. Dec 21 06:05:55 oh, so this isn't right after doctoring... it's after you signed into a profile? Dec 21 06:06:14 Palm Forums show that this can be application based Dec 21 06:06:28 dwc-: yes. It signs into profile, reboots, then just 'hp' logo. Dec 21 06:07:37 Most of my apps were from preware, so they wouldn't be recovered via palm. Unfortunately I have no way currently to list what apps were (I just started doctoring again to get the first-run profile wizard) Dec 21 06:07:56 Try doctoring again Dec 21 06:08:03 should use Save/Restore to save your list of apps Dec 21 06:08:20 The last thing it says before it crashes is "get_kernel_attribute: contents(/sys/devices/platform/usb_gadget/host_connected) = 1 " Dec 21 06:08:40 my guess would be a corrupted flash partition Dec 21 06:08:47 well I'm connected via usb to run novaterm Dec 21 06:09:13 rwhitby: It appears to have formatted it during doctor, as none of my data was there (I expected this, I copied it) Dec 21 06:09:33 rwhitby: I'll check my last s/r to see if there is a list of apps Dec 21 06:09:44 "LunaSysMgr main process (2374) killed by SEGV signal" Whats SEGV? Dec 21 06:10:40 Apps list: http://pastebin.com/CcpVKcSr Dec 21 06:10:47 segfault Dec 21 06:11:20 hmm Dec 21 06:12:44 rwhitby, But the doctor verifies everything after flashing, doesn't it? Dec 21 06:13:09 NuttyBunny: not the media partition Dec 21 06:13:55 Well, good luck with that Seq :p Dec 21 06:14:21 rwhitby, yep, but if it finds errors while running it runs fsck on it at the next reboot ;) But it would be a good idea to recreate it Dec 21 06:14:55 rwhitby: /media/internal appears to be just shipped things. none of my data is there, just DCIM, downloads, ringtones, and "Open Source Information.pdf" Dec 21 06:15:11 Thats a wiped USB partition Dec 21 06:15:44 Abyssul: right, is there another partition I should be fsck'ing? Dec 21 06:16:58 "sys/? Dec 21 06:17:34 sys better be a fake filesystem Dec 21 06:17:35 Redownload the doctor... Dec 21 06:17:45 ah, whatever. gotta go Dec 21 06:17:48 c-ya Dec 21 06:18:01 NuttyBunny: I verified md5sum with this page: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions Dec 21 06:18:31 dwc-: I'd hope /sys was fake. Dec 21 06:18:37 Ah, ok :( Dec 21 06:19:51 Okay, so it's booting now after a fresh doctor. i'm going to create a new palm profile, and see how things work from there. Dec 21 06:20:45 If it is my profile, is there a way for me to blow away all backup data from my palm profile? Dec 21 06:21:12 I suppose I'm jumping ahead. i'll see if this works first. Dec 21 06:21:22 there is Dec 21 06:21:39 log in with a new profile. install impostah. swap to the bad profile. turn off backups. Dec 21 06:21:47 full erase and restart. Dec 21 06:22:20 will skip-first-use work in place of the new profile? Dec 21 06:22:50 yeah, probably Dec 21 06:25:00 dwc-: Too late :) Dec 21 06:25:21 it's ok Dec 21 06:25:31 every webos user should have at least twice as many palm profiles as devices Dec 21 06:26:14 I've got a domain, I can have infinity profiles! Dec 21 06:28:14 I've actually got two pre- with broken radios I was going to turn into data accessories. My (home) voicemail is received as email, so I was thinking about cc'ing to a new palm profile, and having that available at the door Dec 21 06:28:27 So the extra profile will be used regardless Dec 21 06:28:34 Looks like this profile works Dec 21 06:31:24 Wish I spoke to you guys before I doctored the phone thirty times Dec 21 06:31:47 At least you have it narrowed down Dec 21 06:31:54 You should send your log file to Palm. Dec 21 06:32:11 Describe your situation. Dec 21 06:32:35 Do they have a place to submit issues? Dec 21 06:32:53 Palm Forums Dec 21 06:33:16 Just make a thread with the message log in a file (instead of a link). Dec 21 06:33:35 and say what you found out. Dec 21 06:33:44 dwc-: at last count I had over 70 profiles Dec 21 06:33:50 Lol Dec 21 06:35:07 rwhitby: One for each combination of moon phase and day of week? Dec 21 06:36:13 one for each device/country/language combination for a start Dec 21 06:36:34 Do they have prefixes to determine their origin? lol Dec 21 06:36:42 Bet you have an excel sheet of them Dec 21 06:37:29 rwhitby: Okay, I've got impostah installed. How do I switch to the other profile? Dec 21 06:37:43 Palm Profile Dec 21 06:38:21 Oh, its Activation nvm Dec 21 06:38:37 Ah, that's why i couldn't figure out how to change it Dec 21 06:39:08 disable backups via the backup app? Dec 21 06:39:18 Yep Dec 21 06:39:27 Just disable it and it will delete backups Dec 21 06:39:44 Impostah also shows all your backups that are stored on the server (i think) Dec 21 06:39:58 (or at least locally) Dec 21 06:42:58 Is there any downside to using a metadoctored webos vs the 'hp' supplied version? The only things I changed in the Makefile was developer mode, and disabling the logs (I'm on a very tiny data plan) Dec 21 06:43:12 No Dec 21 06:43:35 Awesome. Didn't think so, just double checking. Dec 21 06:43:45 glad you got the problem fixed Dec 21 06:44:23 Abyssul: so am I. Thanks to you, rwhitby, and the others. Dec 21 06:44:24 meta-doctor is always better Dec 21 06:44:50 rwhitby: no bias, right? :) Dec 21 06:44:57 Of course rwhitby would say that Dec 21 06:45:05 none. I hear http://bit.ly/phd-ac is good too. Dec 21 06:45:20 I heard its full of ads :p Dec 21 06:45:32 and stuff thats bricks phones Dec 21 06:46:03 Abyssul: what was your Tuckerbox ID again? Dec 21 06:46:09 I dont have one Dec 21 06:46:36 Gonna kick me out of the beta? lol Dec 21 06:47:35 no, I was going to make your profile just like Seq's ;) Dec 21 06:48:11 At least I would know how to fix it Dec 21 06:49:15 How could you corrupt my Palm Profile? o.O Dec 21 06:49:49 wouldn't you like to know. Dec 21 06:50:06 lol Dec 21 06:50:14 Not really. Just a curious cat. Dec 21 06:51:00 my pre3 must have thought now would be a good time for a reboot lol Dec 21 06:51:09 rwhitby: i hope your using an email server that supports sub-addressing Dec 21 06:51:44 hewball: yup Dec 21 06:52:50 I no longer feel safe given my profile info to WOSI o.O I must be cautious Dec 21 06:53:20 Lets just hope Preware doesnt include a "create an account to use patches" feature Dec 21 06:53:24 :p Dec 21 06:55:16 preware already owns your device Dec 21 06:55:23 Damn Dec 21 06:55:41 Secret uploading to WOSI servers Dec 21 06:56:38 yep, so secret you can look at the source code and find out how it is done Dec 21 06:57:03 Good idea Dec 21 06:57:56 Whats with the lack of enyo apps :( Dec 21 06:58:46 Yup. Did a 'full' erase, signed in with my old profile, works now. Dec 21 06:59:10 Oddly enough, it restored my apps, just not my settings or accounts Dec 21 06:59:26 Yeah, deleting your backups doesnt get rid of your apps Dec 21 06:59:32 just you settings, texts, linking, etc Dec 21 07:04:19 so then there's the apptuckerbox rootkit to hide what preware does, right? Dec 21 07:04:46 dwc-: yeah, the source code for that is pretty well hidden too Dec 21 07:05:15 yea, but the server-side components? Dec 21 07:05:43 * dwc- knows not what that device token is that gets sent to apptuckerbox Dec 21 07:06:11 that's probably the device's super secret level 10 rootkit access key Dec 21 07:06:26 lol Dec 21 07:06:32 dwc-: that's the carrier IQ key Dec 21 07:07:26 I knew it Dec 21 07:10:59 haha :D Dec 21 07:12:59 lol Dec 21 07:13:59 more seriously though, what can you do with that combination of tokens... the email, deviceID, and palm profile token, other than presumably see what apps are available? Dec 21 07:15:07 I assume since it's encrypted, and then tunneled over SSL it's something important-ish Dec 21 07:15:55 somewhat Dec 21 10:44:10 morning Dec 21 11:06:51 I'd rather say it's around noon... Dec 21 11:08:44 or 9:30pm Dec 21 11:08:51 ~ugt Dec 21 11:08:51 somebody said ugt was Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Dec 21 11:09:16 hehe Dec 21 11:11:12 oooh, nice :) Dec 21 11:12:13 anyone heard of luna restarts after the pre3 update? Dec 21 11:20:04 swisstomcat: yes, I got some today Dec 21 11:20:43 I'm going to do a doctor of a Pre 3 and compare Dec 21 11:21:15 Pre3 updates? Dec 21 11:29:06 2.2.4 for Pre3 Dec 21 11:29:23 @avnerarbel is one of them having problems Dec 21 11:30:23 oh cool didnt know 2.2.4 had been released Dec 21 11:30:31 wonder if it will OTA Dec 21 11:30:39 RichT23: suggest you follow @webosinternals ... Dec 21 11:30:40 thats probally a bad idea actully Dec 21 11:30:50 rwhitby: i do Dec 21 11:31:02 i just dont read twitter to much Dec 21 11:31:08 to many updates! Dec 21 11:31:56 i keep meaning to do a cull of who i follow Dec 21 11:32:16 yeah, I didn't mean follow anyone else, just @webosinternals ;) Dec 21 11:33:40 lol Dec 21 11:34:07 i only follow 91 Dec 21 11:34:24 i did try to keep it down to 23, managed for a few years Dec 21 11:34:33 then i dont know what happened Dec 21 11:34:40 maybe people started using twitter ;) Dec 21 11:35:03 any way i think ill do a metadoc install rather then OTA Dec 21 11:35:12 i could do with fixing my ext3 Dec 21 11:35:39 rwhitby: you had any contact from HP or webosdev yet? Dec 21 11:35:40 these days you can use Tailor to create an ext3 Dec 21 11:35:58 yeah, spoke with HP about a week ago Dec 21 11:36:08 anything sounding promising? Dec 21 11:36:09 may be having another call tomorrow Dec 21 11:36:40 will there be a public git/svn? and will you get commit access Dec 21 11:37:12 can't really discuss what was in the call Dec 21 11:37:19 oki =) Dec 21 11:37:47 well good luck with the calls Dec 21 11:46:35 swisstomcat: yeah my pre3 was stuck luna restarting after OTA to 2.2.4, doctoring presently Dec 21 14:55:48 Just updated (OTA) my Pre 2 to 2.2.4. When updating UberCalendar, I get "Unreversed patch detected" - seems to be an issue with AUPT. Any ideas? Dec 21 14:57:37 Looking at /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.calendar/app/controllers, there are no "orig" files Dec 21 15:00:51 pc-world: you are aware that no update related homebrew/patches questions are answered here for several days here until the patch authors begin populating the repositories, right? :) In short: If you want your patches either stick with the previous version for a few more days, or live with it until they are updated Dec 21 15:01:15 NuttyBunny: I don't think that's the issue. Dec 21 15:02:30 NuttyBunny: I can't even remove it. MetaView said it should work on a 2.2.4-doctored device, and the error message indicates that there's something wrong which has not to do with the actual patch file. Dec 21 15:03:30 ah.. uh.. then.. *sh*t* (sorry) Dec 21 15:04:01 I got an error with the UberCalendar on my pre2 as well, and I also used the OTA update. Dec 21 15:04:07 Don't remember the exact error message though. Dec 21 15:05:14 I have to work, I don't wanna Dec 21 15:07:00 welcome to society :P Dec 21 15:08:42 hehehe.. yep Dec 21 15:08:50 well, I can procrastinate for a bit more. Dec 21 15:09:10 * NuttyBunny installs Skype on his Telcel 2.1 Pre- :D Dec 21 15:09:47 * rrix downloads some more Spamtron to listen to and looks for a place where he can donate/purchase Dec 21 15:10:18 messaging+calling? Tried it a few days ago, but I stopped cause there were too many framework changes (in stock apps etc.) made for Skype Dec 21 15:11:07 pc-world, Just messaging Dec 21 15:11:13 and contact synergy Dec 21 15:11:33 g morning Dec 21 15:12:01 NuttyBunny: how do you make webOS recognize Skype as account type? Copied all Skype-related files to 2.1, but Skype didn't come up as an option Dec 21 15:12:29 need to ssh to a remote server with my TP? have installed xterm, xserver, xecutah Dec 21 15:12:48 http://forums.webosnation.com/nuttybunny/309012-get-skype-running-2-1-devices.html#post3268750 Dec 21 15:13:01 You forgot the skype ipk from the wr doctor Dec 21 15:13:57 ssh not found... ?? Dec 21 15:14:23 Too bad the phone app in 2.1 isn't prepared for the skype voice part on 2.2.4 Dec 21 15:14:36 Lonestar99, install openssh from optware? (preware) Dec 21 15:15:21 NuttyBunny: So there was a Skype installer in the doctor? Appararently missed it Dec 21 15:15:37 Perhaps with a bit of research linphone could be made modified to work with the 2.2.4 phone app :D Dec 21 15:15:40 optware? Dec 21 15:15:44 pc-world, Yep, inside wr.tar Dec 21 15:16:01 Lonestar99, There's an optware section in preware Dec 21 15:17:12 Well the Enyo phone app of 2.2.4 is so sluggish that I wouldn't want to replace it with the 2.1 phone app Dec 21 15:17:47 NuttyBunny: is it in a tab? Dec 21 15:18:06 * NuttyBunny opens preware Dec 21 15:18:39 just search for openssh in the first preware page :D Dec 21 15:20:04 pc-world, It even feels slow on the Pre 3... so it's logical it's slow on the Pre 2 :( Dec 21 15:20:31 k Dec 21 15:21:41 ok have not found the ssh app download page... Dec 21 15:22:00 NuttyBunny: The current Enyo scroller kind is not really usable on phones Dec 21 15:22:09 (but that's just one reason the phone app is slow) Dec 21 15:23:25 Lonestar99, you just made me take my TP out from my backpack :P Dec 21 15:23:39 How can I "remove" an ipk package manually, so that Preware thinks a particular package isn't installed anymore? Dec 21 15:24:00 NuttyBunny: nice! Dec 21 15:24:02 thanks Dec 21 15:24:38 not so, both are battery dead. I always forget to turn wifi off and then die in 3 days :) .. lemme plug it in Dec 21 15:25:13 lol Dec 21 15:26:26 but really, on the phones it's in preware, I swear :D Dec 21 15:26:47 So, how's the drill? Just update the Pre2 and then run preware and "update all"?? Dec 21 15:26:55 ok i downloaded preware and search for openssh and nothing and the same for optware Dec 21 15:27:29 NuttyBunny: As said, UberCalendar won't uninstall... Dec 21 15:27:46 it's here ... try to search for ssh Dec 21 15:27:53 pc-world: I don't use it, so I think I may be on Dec 21 15:28:04 ok Dec 21 15:28:08 swisstomcat: "no packages found" Dec 21 15:28:11 So in the IM app (and some other apps too) there is a "Find More" accounts types option... but of course non are found in the app cat Dec 21 15:28:25 does any one know how they are put together? Dec 21 15:28:34 NuttyBunny: oh sry I think your "update all" was meant to me Dec 21 15:28:37 odd Dec 21 15:28:58 RichT23: Because HP doesn't give devs docs on how to do it... Dec 21 15:29:07 Id realy like msn (well "like" its more that other peopl us msn) Dec 21 15:29:28 RichT23: I asked devrel to provide docs for messaging plugins, didn't get any Dec 21 15:29:29 arrr pc-world so no publised docs Dec 21 15:29:31 pc-world: it was meant to everyone who has made the update, because I want to update mine ;) Dec 21 15:29:33 sounds about right Dec 21 15:30:00 humm wonder with the "OS"ing we will be able to find more Dec 21 15:30:18 id also like some more "upload pictures" option Dec 21 15:30:31 RichT23: The worst part is that Greg's messaging plugins won't work out of the box on 2.2.3-4 :( Dec 21 15:30:37 there is only facebook and one other Dec 21 15:30:42 swisstomcat: can u send me screenshot u what u see? Dec 21 15:30:57 RichT23: Facebook chat?! Dec 21 15:31:05 RichT23: ah k you mean photos Dec 21 15:31:14 pc-world: ya phots Dec 21 15:31:25 the upload options they give you are quite limited Dec 21 15:31:39 i fancied a ftp/sftp upload option Dec 21 15:32:05 RichT23, pc-world could do that, he may be able to modify his FTP app ;) Dec 21 15:32:09 NuttyBunny: i quite liked the messaging app i had on the Pixi Dec 21 15:32:28 pc-world: you have an FTP app? Dec 21 15:32:33 RichT23: well if HP would help me with something I may add SFTP to FTPit!... but again, they won't let me know how they compile libcurl with their server certificates Dec 21 15:32:36 lonestar99: http://yfrog.com/obnykbp Dec 21 15:32:54 pc-world: buggers that they are ;) Dec 21 15:33:10 pc-world: who did you talk to so far? Dec 21 15:33:17 ya it would be nice to have that app do a plugin option too =) Dec 21 15:33:22 RichT23: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/279383-ftpit-ftp-client-webos-phones-touchpad.html Dec 21 15:33:31 swisstomcat: with Ben Combee Dec 21 15:33:43 that should be the right person Dec 21 15:34:14 swisstomcat: ok thanks Dec 21 15:34:40 i have preware on my windows laptop.. Dec 21 15:35:05 swisstomcat: I have to use webOS' libcurl cause if I use my own version of libcurl the license check (PDL_isAppLicensedForDevice) won't work due to missing HP server certificates. But I'd need my own compiled version of libcurl to support encryption Dec 21 15:35:19 swisstomcat: well Ben didn't respond to my last e-mails anymore Dec 21 15:35:33 ping him again? Dec 21 15:35:59 sounds nice pc-world Dec 21 15:36:32 ill have a look at that after i get my vpn going Dec 21 15:36:45 swisstomcat: First time I asked him was 22nd October, second time 3 days ago Dec 21 15:36:58 * RichT23 doesnt allow ftp to his server from the internets ;) Dec 21 15:37:06 swisstomcat: Have you access to webOS' build scripts of libcurl? Dec 21 15:37:34 no Dec 21 15:49:20 hmm. touchplayer is not in the normal preware feeds? that's sad. Dec 21 15:51:26 my guess is it probably would have stayed there if the P|C feed hadn't been broken when the author was trying to update his app Dec 21 15:51:31 Lonestar99: I see openssh on my touchpad Dec 21 15:51:33 At least got UberCalendar to uninstall by modifying (kinda removing) the prerm script Dec 21 15:51:56 But still won't install, same error msg Dec 21 15:52:18 need to transfer preware to my TP Dec 21 15:52:20 ... Dec 21 15:55:38 installing preware on tp niggas Dec 21 15:55:49 preware bootstrap :P Dec 21 15:56:27 cd /tmp;wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap ;sh /tmp/preware-bootstrap Dec 21 15:57:09 EricBlade1 : tell me how to control touchplayer Dec 21 15:57:12 NuttyBunny: isn't that outdated? Dec 21 15:57:18 it seems like i cant pause or exit full screen easily Dec 21 15:57:35 pc-world: Nope, it installs the latest, and it's the best way to install it :D Dec 21 15:57:52 Compn: as far as i know, it is always full screen, and forward swipe jumps forward ten sec, back swipe jumps back ten sec, and tap pauses/unpauses Dec 21 15:58:40 oh ok :) Dec 21 15:58:44 maybe i should read docs Dec 21 15:58:44 thanks Dec 21 16:00:22 ok ssh now working Dec 21 16:00:35 sshing to the cia Dec 21 16:00:39 Lonestar99: congrats ;P Dec 21 16:03:33 thanks Dec 21 16:03:59 now need to figure out pw shit. tp aint the best for cryptic paaswords Dec 21 16:06:21 f-ck password fails each time Dec 21 16:06:43 Lonestar99: use ssh-keys instead :) Dec 21 16:07:42 Frost: been doing that for like a year.... "ssh keys" but one last step was missing i think.... Dec 21 16:07:56 ok logged on was using pw for other server... idiot... Dec 21 16:07:58 Lonestar99: type the password in the command prompt, see if it's writing it correctly Dec 21 16:08:11 LOL Dec 21 16:08:59 and have not drank anything like in 4 months... Dec 21 16:10:25 so i guess i still do stupid things sober. f-ck it Dec 21 16:11:51 gotta love ssh! Dec 21 16:12:02 * _minego yawns Dec 21 16:13:22 anyone know if FF9 runs on TP? Dec 21 16:13:47 Firefox? Dec 21 16:14:31 Final Fantasy? Dec 21 16:14:37 Follow Friday? Dec 21 16:15:18 <_minego> I need coffee Dec 21 16:15:46 firefox Dec 21 16:16:01 maybe in android Dec 21 16:16:07 why would you want that? Dec 21 16:16:08 opera runs on android on tp Dec 21 16:16:14 or so ive been told Dec 21 16:16:19 Lonestar99: Chromium (Chrome) runs on the TouchPad Dec 21 16:16:20 <_minego> If there is an arm build then it should run in a chroot with xecutah Dec 21 16:16:20 * Compn <3's opera Dec 21 16:16:36 ohh really Dec 21 16:16:38 opera and ff are my default browsers, have both them open now Dec 21 16:16:50 _minego : is there a list of good apps to run with xecutah ? Dec 21 16:16:54 pc-world: chrome =( Dec 21 16:17:14 chrome is fine, but prefer the ole ff or opera Dec 21 16:17:26 Lonestar99: yes I think Firefox should work Dec 21 16:17:29 <_minego> Compn: I don't know of any list. If you install the ubuntu chroot and use that with xecutah then you can run most of the ubuntu arm apps. There are a LOT of them. Dec 21 16:17:37 Lonestar99: at least Iceweasel did in Debian chroot on my Pre- Dec 21 16:17:50 oh ubuntu , yeah i can run anything if i install ubuntu :P Dec 21 16:17:59 <_minego> of course Dec 21 16:18:04 sweet Dec 21 16:18:05 chromium and ff works on ubuntu chroot Dec 21 16:18:20 <_minego> You could manually build a chroot with X11 and install arm builds of the stuff... The ubuntu chroot just makes that easier. Dec 21 16:18:22 so ubuntu is like a dual-boot on TP? Dec 21 16:18:28 <_minego> no, it is a chroot Dec 21 16:18:38 <_minego> It isn't a "boot". It is running on the same kernel. Dec 21 16:18:55 like a emulation? Dec 21 16:19:02 Lonestar99: It runs in a card Dec 21 16:19:08 Lonestar99: also using Xecutah Dec 21 16:19:09 <_minego> No, it is native. Just not a full OS boot. It runs in a card. Dec 21 16:19:12 and X11 Dec 21 16:20:11 <_minego> A full ubuntu has it's own kernel and everything. This doesn't boot a kernel. It just starts the apps with the ubuntu file system chrooted. Dec 21 16:20:22 _minego: u recommend installing? Dec 21 16:20:28 got 32gb Dec 21 16:20:34 <_minego> Lonestar99: Oh yeah. It is really handy. Dec 21 16:20:48 ok will do. Dec 21 16:20:53 thanks Dec 21 16:20:54 <_minego> Lonestar99: It can be a pain because these apps all expect a mouse and you have a touch screen, but it is still really nice Dec 21 16:21:35 i am used to shell, all my servers are FreeBSD Dec 21 16:21:47 <_minego> Just keep in mind that these are all desktop apps. You can't drag to scroll or anything like that. Dec 21 16:22:44 There's at least a way to have secondary mouse button on the apps :D Dec 21 16:23:01 <_minego> there is? How? Dec 21 16:24:30 need to make a partition? Dec 21 16:25:14 <_minego> Yes. I like to use the meta-doctor scripts to do it. Dec 21 16:25:25 Lonestar99: not really, but some are gonna kill me if I tell you how to do it without creating a partition Dec 21 16:25:33 <_minego> You need an ext3 partition. Meta-doctor has an option to create it for you. Dec 21 16:25:33 _minego: right on Dec 21 16:25:35 thanks Dec 21 16:25:35 <_minego> haha Dec 21 16:25:41 <_minego> I usually set it to 8GB Dec 21 16:26:04 <_minego> Then you need to mount it after booting webOS by creating an entry in the fstab for it and then run mount -a Dec 21 16:26:15 theres ways to create a single file operating system Dec 21 16:26:21 not sure why they didnt just use that Dec 21 16:26:29 colinux on windows uses it iirc Dec 21 16:26:39 single file fs that is Dec 21 16:26:43 To do the 2 button thingy, something like export GTK_MODULES=libgtkstylus.so; /usr/bin/startlxde (in my case) Dec 21 16:26:45 <_minego> There is also an app to resize partitions these days Dec 21 16:26:56 ok thanks taking notes Dec 21 16:27:03 <_minego> NuttyBunny: interesting - I'll have to look into that Dec 21 16:27:17 <_minego> I can't remember off the top of my head what the name of the ap pis Dec 21 16:27:17 can you do ad-hoc wifi in ubunut on tp ? Dec 21 16:27:20 hint: img / mount :P Dec 21 16:27:25 <_minego> s/ap pis/app is/ Dec 21 16:27:25 _minego meant: I can't remember off the top of my head what the name of the app is Dec 21 16:27:27 since webos doesnt connect to adhoc Dec 21 16:27:40 _minego: It does work :D Dec 21 16:27:44 Compn: no, since it's only chroot Dec 21 16:27:57 in twitter --> # means what and @ what? Dec 21 16:28:59 <_minego> Lonestar99: A @ followed by a name is a user. For example I'm @_minego . A # followed by a word is a hash. A hash is just something that is easy to search on or filter on. Dec 21 16:29:11 oh same kernel, crap Dec 21 16:29:33 pc-world : ok , is there a kernel that can do ad-hoc ? or we must wait for open source ? or they still wont release it then ? Dec 21 16:29:54 Compn: don't think there is one, and I'm not sure if the kernel is the issue Dec 21 16:30:37 <_minego> Okay time for pants, coffee and work conference call. Hopefully in that order. Dec 21 16:30:47 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Ad-Hoc_Networking Dec 21 16:31:18 _minego: ok thanks, that is what i thought, but was nopt 100% sure Dec 21 16:31:27 <_minego> Lonestar99: np Dec 21 16:33:31 finally got UberCalendar working :) Dec 21 16:33:53 Compn: you can use a loopback image for a mount, but it is slower Dec 21 16:35:15 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17557096#post17557096 Dec 21 16:35:30 [webOS] [GUIDE] Connect to an Ad-Hoc Network (touchpad) Dec 21 16:36:39 has anyone here tried the iPhone spoof patch on 2.2.4? Dec 21 16:37:00 oh nm Dec 21 16:37:21 thats for a fake AP hoc network ;\ Dec 21 16:37:23 * Compn curses Dec 21 16:38:28 summatusmentis: worked on 2.1 I think. You have to replace "Palm webOS" with "HP webOS" in the script file Dec 21 16:39:15 Compn: fake adhoc network? Dec 21 16:39:35 its ad-hoc but reports as AP or something like that. a 'software access point' maybe Dec 21 16:39:49 pc-world: I tried messing with the script file, and couldn't get it to do anything Dec 21 16:40:09 summatusmentis: any err msg? Dec 21 16:40:34 I'm just gonna try it again Dec 21 16:40:54 will write a small article on how to install and ssh to remote server using HP Touchpad.. Dec 21 16:42:17 installing the openssh preware is easy tho ? Dec 21 16:42:18 ehe Dec 21 16:42:28 NuttyBunny, ping Dec 21 16:43:18 yeah but some dude like me is bound to get it wrong. i write blogs for rootbsd.net Dec 21 16:43:22 pc-world: ./change-user-agent: line 86: 2.2.4: not found Dec 21 16:43:22 Applying user agent spoof patch. Phone will reboot when done. Dec 21 16:43:23 ERROR: Could not find area to patch (unknown file version?) Dec 21 16:43:50 summatusmentis: could you send me the link to the thread? so I can have a look in the script file Dec 21 16:44:09 pc-world: I just downloaded the one from http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/200656-iphone-user-agent-spoof-how-make-all-mobile-websites-display-perfectly-38.html Dec 21 16:46:29 summatusmentis: could you try this one? http://pastebin.com/H2muw3k6 Dec 21 16:48:11 pc-world: that didn't have the line 86 error, still applying Dec 21 16:48:34 pc-world: nope, still: ERROR: Could not find area to patch (unknown file version?) Dec 21 16:48:48 summatusmentis: and no other error this time? Dec 21 16:49:34 nope, just that one Dec 21 16:51:44 try this one: http://pastebin.com/RPiu52EN Dec 21 16:53:53 pc-world: ERROR: Old and new user agent strings are not the same length Dec 21 16:54:21 summatusmentis: wooa this has some pretty good error handling :D Dec 21 16:54:28 hah Dec 21 16:54:49 I'd be debugging this myself, but I don't know that much about bash scripting Dec 21 16:55:06 Abyssul: yep? Dec 21 16:55:49 summatusmentis: maybe this works: http://pastebin.com/ZUNJufpA (at your own risk of course) Dec 21 16:57:23 NuttyBunny, were you going to publish what you found out about the Skype messaging for 2.1.0? Dec 21 16:58:13 Abyssul, Yep, but... I have an issue... whenever the pre tries to make a sound mediaserver crashes and luna restarts :S (I just found out that) Dec 21 16:58:18 Abyssul: so waht do you think about that? ;) http://forums.webosnation.com/nuttybunny/309012-get-skype-running-2-1-devices.html Dec 21 16:58:27 *what Dec 21 16:58:29 NuttyBunny, damn that sucks Dec 21 16:59:31 yep.. so, messaging works but it kills audio :) Dec 21 16:59:54 pc-world: hrm, I don't know if it applied or not, complained about not being able to move the file back to the original location, so I remounted as rw, and then it said it couldn't find the right place to patch Dec 21 17:00:00 rebooting Dec 21 17:00:04 This isn't reflected in the thread pc-world. Dec 21 17:00:25 oops, I thought you were the thread author Dec 21 17:00:38 summatusmentis: hmm, hope nothing got broken Dec 21 17:00:48 lol, me too Dec 21 17:00:56 NuttyBunny, Doesnt say anything about broken audio in the thread o.O Dec 21 17:01:17 Abyssul: I just found out that Dec 21 17:01:33 Oh ok Dec 21 17:01:43 summatusmentis: have you the exact error messages? Dec 21 17:01:46 What happens when you dont copy mediaserver? It doesnt work at all? Dec 21 17:02:25 pc-world: before remount: mv: write error: No space left on device Dec 21 17:02:26 ERROR: Could not rename patched file to original name Dec 21 17:02:30 I doubt people will do this if it kills the audio Dec 21 17:02:40 after remount: ERROR: Could not find area to patch (unknown file version?) Dec 21 17:02:51 I'm rebooting now Dec 21 17:03:10 although, it's still sitting on the penguin screen Dec 21 17:04:39 yeah, this isn't good Dec 21 17:04:47 not getting past penguin screen Dec 21 17:04:57 * summatusmentis fires up doctor Dec 21 17:04:59 summatusmentis: you got /var/log/messages Dec 21 17:05:01 KABOOOM Dec 21 17:05:03 summatusmentis: no wait a second Dec 21 17:05:34 summatusmentis: could you run this via novacom/novaterm?: "md5sum /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so" Dec 21 17:06:03 cause if just this file is corrupted you can easily copy the right one via novacom Dec 21 17:06:32 pc-world: 8b24e0250b661385656047bec0a3039c Dec 21 17:07:18 BrowserServer crashed, according to /var/log/messages Dec 21 17:07:51 ok mine is fe30b2521d17b97e0232780556195700 Dec 21 17:08:02 summatusmentis: do you know how to transfer files via novacom? Dec 21 17:08:14 no Dec 21 17:08:29 I mean, I can probably figure it out, but I've never done it Dec 21 17:08:44 have you downloaded the 2.2.4 doctor? you need to extract a file from it Dec 21 17:09:22 and then send it to the webOS fs Dec 21 17:09:44 yeah Dec 21 17:09:47 what file? Dec 21 17:09:58 do you know how to extract files from the doctor? Dec 21 17:10:08 /usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so Dec 21 17:10:18 I can just unzip it right? Dec 21 17:10:38 yes, use something like 7z Dec 21 17:11:19 after you extracted the doctor, extract resources/webOS.tar Dec 21 17:11:43 what's the sned command? Dec 21 17:11:51 sned? Dec 21 17:12:10 use WOSQI Dec 21 17:12:14 send* Dec 21 17:12:17 ah Dec 21 17:12:27 novacom put file:///usr/lib/libWebKitLuna.so < libWebKitLuna.so Dec 21 17:12:31 That too Dec 21 17:13:03 after you extracted webOS.tar, you have to extract ./nova-cust-image-roadrunner.rootfs.tar.gz next (just if you haven't already) Dec 21 17:13:58 extracting webOS.tar right now Dec 21 17:14:16 summatusmentis: sorry this caused trouble, I should have tested it before Dec 21 17:14:47 no worries Dec 21 17:15:14 the stuff after file:// is the remote path right? Dec 21 17:15:32 I mean, I assume as much, that's convention, just making sure Dec 21 17:16:05 yes Dec 21 17:16:24 and libWebKitLuna.so is your local file Dec 21 17:17:03 doctoring the plus again :'( Dec 21 17:17:37 summatusmentis: I think I now know the mistake I made, but better won't let you try again ;) Dec 21 17:17:40 ok, novacom'd the file, and got the HP flashing screen Dec 21 17:17:57 pc-world: :) if you want to test it, that'd be great Dec 21 17:18:14 otherwise, I know how to go back Dec 21 17:18:25 may do. If I have to doctor that's fine, don't really like 2.2.4 :D Dec 21 17:18:55 oh man, I really like 2.2.4, what with my txt forwarding Dec 21 17:19:08 does it work again? Dec 21 17:19:17 yes, I'm back on the home screen Dec 21 17:19:39 glad to not have to doctor Dec 21 17:19:42 fine Dec 21 17:19:56 again, I'm sorry ;) Dec 21 17:20:01 no big deal Dec 21 17:21:18 summatusmentis: if you'd like to try again, that's a new one: http://pastebin.com/utSkAy50 - otherwise I may try in the next few days Dec 21 17:21:36 I'll try one more time Dec 21 17:21:51 summatusmentis: wait a second Dec 21 17:22:17 ok Dec 21 17:22:34 summatusmentis: hmm that script should have the same impact as the one before... I'll try now and let you know if it works Dec 21 17:23:56 I really just want the google music mobile site Dec 21 17:24:22 "cp: write error: No space left on device Dec 21 17:24:22 ERROR: Could not copy original file to backup" Dec 21 17:24:26 did the remount help for that? Dec 21 17:25:28 when I remounted after seeing that, and then re-ran the script, it told me it couldn't find the place to patch Dec 21 17:25:41 how did you remount? Dec 21 17:26:03 mount -o rw,remount / Dec 21 17:27:05 hmm still get the no space error, may try later, gotta go now Dec 21 17:27:24 ok, tah Dec 21 17:27:28 thanks for the help Dec 21 17:39:45 thanks for all the help dudes Dec 21 17:39:49 bbl Dec 21 17:53:19 that's interesting... it requires the same length user-agent string? guessing that patch wasn't from a C programmer Dec 21 17:54:30 s/a c programmer/a programmer/ Dec 21 17:55:08 well that's not fair Dec 21 17:55:33 I wouldn't expect a javascript programmer to know Dec 21 18:05:54 ahh ohhh Dec 21 18:06:04 so what i didnt realize is that there are two sdl terms Dec 21 18:06:12 sdlterm and sdlterminal Dec 21 18:06:18 and the former sucks Dec 21 18:06:23 is this your undrunk realization? Dec 21 18:06:23 and the latter use gl Dec 21 18:06:30 yes Dec 21 18:06:37 so i just got sdlterminal compiling Dec 21 18:06:48 cause the author decided he was too good to supply a makefile Dec 21 18:07:05 so im gonna try and integrate that into wTerm now Dec 21 18:07:58 well, after i make some juice Dec 21 18:09:03 http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l9683kHR3T1qdrptpo1_500.jpg Dec 21 18:12:00 oil: if he has unlimited juice he won't work at all on wTerm ;) Dec 21 18:12:29 lol Dec 21 18:15:36 unlimited juice at parties is always awesome Dec 21 18:19:23 sometimes i think oil is really just a meme bot Dec 21 18:20:30 I just doctored my Pre3 with 2.2.4 (long story)... Question: do I have to wait fo rthe VZW/ATT specific advanced system menus patches? Dec 21 18:41:47 anyone? Dec 21 18:41:53 :-) Dec 21 18:54:23 why does Pre2 still not have enyo quite like the Pre3? Dec 21 19:14:10 hello Dec 21 19:14:47 the touchplayer does not play over bluetooth media stream on my car, where the music app does (touchpad). any idears ? Dec 21 19:25:32 abyssul - even with the new maps version? Dec 21 19:25:45 what? Dec 21 19:25:55 even with 2.2.4? Dec 21 19:26:08 enyo/2.2.4/pre2 isn't enyo/2.2.4/pre3? Dec 21 19:26:31 Ok, maps is enyo Dec 21 19:26:33 the maps 'upgrade' to bing snuck enyo on every webos phone Dec 21 19:26:40 but I was expecting more enyo throughout the UI Dec 21 19:26:53 Like replacing all those lame mojo graphics/buttons Dec 21 19:27:04 the maps thing went out *after* hw was killed Dec 21 19:27:12 it was pretty neat that they got any enyo out Dec 21 19:28:09 Does the Pre3 have any enyo except for the phone app and maps? Dec 21 19:28:17 enyo was required to save them writing a mojo bing maps Dec 21 19:28:30 which was required because google was taking away the APIs the maps app used Dec 21 19:29:10 poor norway not having any butter Dec 21 19:29:30 they cant make any pussycats Dec 21 19:32:29 Get that from Colbert? Dec 21 19:32:44 no Dec 21 19:32:58 oh lol. I just watched an episode of him making fun of that story Dec 21 19:33:30 The story has been on the radio for two days now Dec 21 19:33:35 Still hilarious Dec 21 19:33:58 He's going to come to my house and eat all my butter in front of my eyes Dec 21 19:38:17 has anyone been able to sftp to a sprint franken unlocked pre2 with 2.2.4 after installing openssh sftp server from Preware | Optware? Dec 21 19:49:50 I think facebook aI wonder if facebook is starting to detect ad blockers Dec 21 19:50:04 bleh, thought i deleted the first bit Dec 21 19:50:21 could be Dec 21 19:50:25 that's their revenue stream Dec 21 19:50:36 I get a nice banner asking if I knew facebook makes their money from ads Dec 21 19:50:57 Just started getting it Dec 21 19:51:25 lol Dec 21 19:56:40 http://bit.ly/u4F05l Dec 21 20:23:03 Hello all! Could someone please point me to a tutorial on how to install preware on the touchpad from linux? I've done a lot of googling but I cannot find any definitive guide. Dec 21 20:23:51 <_minego> user26: Install the preware documentation app from the App Catalog. It has great instructions. Dec 21 20:25:43 Ah yes, but that costs money :) Dec 21 20:26:13 oh no Dec 21 20:26:39 user26: best money ever spent! Dec 21 20:28:10 Do I have to wait for VZW/ATT specific "advanced system menus" patches or can I instell the generic ones on WebOS 2.2.4? Dec 21 20:29:26 I just tried the generic version of the Advanced System Menus - Framework and it failed on my ATT Pre 3. Dec 21 20:29:33 I guess I'll have to wait. Dec 21 20:32:45 All right, y'all persuaded me. :) Dec 21 21:02:38 <_minego> Is there a guide somewhere for setting up a phone (a pre2 on verizon in this case) without a data plan? Dec 21 21:03:06 <_minego> He already activated the phone. We are now using meta-doctor with the first use app disabled. Dec 21 21:51:38 my Pre 2 OTA update failed :'( Dec 21 21:53:47 sad Dec 21 21:59:58 folks Dec 21 22:00:06 hey Dec 21 22:01:56 hey Dec 21 22:41:53 Hi Dec 21 22:41:56 someone is working on webOS 2.2.4 for Pre-/Pre +? Dec 21 22:44:24 someone is here? xD Dec 21 22:44:42 yes Dec 21 22:45:02 I guess that everybody went to sleep Dec 21 22:45:26 but I think you should ask your question directly Dec 21 22:47:03 sleep?... but my time (GMT+1) is 23:41 Dec 21 22:47:32 and for me it's time to sleep... :P Dec 22 00:06:45 hi all Dec 22 00:08:38 hi Dec 22 00:17:50 how can I get around the area restrictions imposed by hp to install an app? Dec 22 00:20:06 sup peeps Dec 22 00:20:24 kosmo: impostah Dec 22 00:20:34 tho I believe that only applies to free apps. Dec 22 00:21:10 got impostah but don't know how to Dec 22 00:21:41 the wiki doesn't say much yet Dec 22 00:22:22 I think you need to find out the app ID for it Dec 22 00:23:55 impostah, apptuckerbox Dec 22 00:24:37 this is just an excuse to learn a bit more, kindle for eg doesn't work for me Dec 22 00:26:04 well, give it a shot... though, I think you might be able to get the kindle app, I'm not sure you can use the app usefully... amazon has its own georestrictions I think on it Dec 22 00:28:01 what area restriction ? Dec 22 00:28:08 oh geographically ? Dec 22 00:28:31 isnt this against the rules of the channel ? :P Dec 22 00:29:05 not that i agree with geographic limits or want to get anyone in troubles Dec 22 00:29:56 can sb explain why I'm free to use an app on my pc and on android free of charge but not on webos? Dec 22 00:30:04 I thought rules of the channel was no redistribution of software that is not yours. Dec 22 00:30:34 probably against some agreement you made with webos store :P Dec 22 00:31:02 I don't know. I just thought I read their content was open to US and CA Dec 22 00:31:14 but I probably didn't hear about any european announcements Dec 22 00:31:18 but if i were a pirate , i'd say just have your friend from the other country sniff the ipk link and send it to you Dec 22 00:32:10 my friends :))) Dec 22 00:33:28 can't figure out where to find apptuckerbox dwc Dec 22 00:36:52 beta feeds Dec 22 00:40:54 thanks for your help guys, will look into it a bit more and come back later, cu Dec 22 00:58:05 Hi Dec 22 00:59:03 I would like to do a small change in the page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover#Can.27t_boot_into_recovery_mode.3F Dec 22 00:59:20 But looks like I'm not allowed to make changes Dec 22 01:00:01 I wasn't able to boot in recovery mode due a faulty volume key, Dec 22 01:03:00 I managed to do it using tellbootie recover command, I would like to add a link to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tellbootie at the begining of that section Dec 22 01:12:17 jdevora: I think most people with edit bits to the wiki is offline (or just busy) right now, but they'll probably see what you just wrote :) Dec 22 01:13:49 great stuff Dec 22 01:14:57 speaking of offline, I really should be sleeping. it's 2am here. Dec 22 01:21:41 I have 1 hour advantage, but I'm going to bed now, cheers Dec 22 01:52:05 Hey , pls share sit with specs on touchpad and linux, is there a gentoo flavor. Dec 22 02:12:58 hi Dec 22 02:13:09 how to write a application for webos Dec 22 02:13:23 carefully Dec 22 02:13:27 chandoo: have you done the tutorials on developer.palm.com ? Dec 22 02:13:52 and watched the videos of the developer days on the palm youtube channel? Dec 22 02:14:06 rwhitby:} thanks i will check it out **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 22 02:59:57 2011