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Dec 30 03:00:29 <Sanglant> ok, so if I copy this tar to / I should be able to put it on the root of the phone?
Dec 30 03:01:34 <lingfish> Id copy to /tmp
Dec 30 03:02:01 <Sanglant> I have the tar move over to the phone. How do I extract it on there?
Dec 30 03:02:42 <lingfish> I would: cd /tmp; mkdir blah; cd blah; tar xvf bt.tar
Dec 30 03:02:59 <Sanglant> ok. Let me give it a shot
Dec 30 03:05:44 <Sanglant> Ok, I got everything unzipped and I'm rebooting my phone. I'll let you know if everything works for me. Thanks for your help.
Dec 30 03:06:02 <lingfish> np
Dec 30 03:30:33 <ice_> I'm using an HP touchpad, I have preware installed, but i visualboyadvance is not there. I'm currently using Preware 1.8.3
Dec 30 03:30:50 <ice_> do i have to download a newer version of preware?
Dec 30 03:31:25 <rwhitby> has visualboyadvance been released for the touchpad?
Dec 30 03:32:07 <ice_> yes
Dec 30 03:33:26 <ice_> hm. maybe not
Dec 30 03:33:44 <rwhitby> not according to line 33 of http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/apps/visualboyadvance/Makefile
Dec 30 03:34:17 <ice_> ah
Dec 30 03:34:31 <ice_> epicfail
Dec 30 03:36:31 <ice_> are there any camera apps for the touchpad?
Dec 30 03:37:29 <rwhitby> what did a search for 'camera' in preware and the app catalog reveal?
Dec 30 03:37:59 <ice_> i'm unable to use a search command in my version of preware
Dec 30 03:38:07 <Sanglant> lingfish: Thanks so much for all your help. I'm now getting my sms from my VZW Pre2 on my TP!
Dec 30 03:38:14 <Sanglant> Have a good night everyone!
Dec 30 03:38:20 <ice_> oh nevermind.. lol just found it
Dec 30 03:38:27 <rwhitby> ice_: that's interesting.  remember that splash screen on which you clicked "I've read this" ?
Dec 30 03:38:45 <ice_> 0 hits for camera
Dec 30 03:44:35 <sunnydayzrback> Hi, when I search for Battery in preware, I don't get the "Battery percentage Monitor" app
Dec 30 03:44:41 <sunnydayzrback> I just reinstalled preware
Dec 30 03:44:48 <sunnydayzrback> It used to be there before the reinstall
Dec 30 03:44:54 <sunnydayzrback> am I doing anything wrong ?
Dec 30 03:50:02 <sunnydayzrback> anyone ?
Dec 30 03:50:37 <RagingMind> sunnydayzrback, sometimes it takes a while for someone with an answer to notice a question
Dec 30 03:51:03 <sunnydayzrback> so do I keep reposting it, so that the newer guys can see ?
Dec 30 03:51:56 <RagingMind> generally no because it gets annoying to those that are in the room the whole time
Dec 30 03:53:03 <RagingMind> sunnydayzrback, do you have all the same feeds enabled?
Dec 30 03:53:21 <sunnydayzrback> I have the default one
Dec 30 03:53:30 <sunnydayzrback> I dont think I changed the feeds before
Dec 30 04:04:07 <lingfish> rwhitby: why wouldn't doing this work? make DEVICE=pre2 CARRIER=wr DISABLE_MODEM_UPDATE=1 all
Dec 30 04:04:22 <lingfish> I'd rather supply DISABLE... on the cmdline than edit the Makefile
Dec 30 04:04:34 <rwhitby> it should work
Dec 30 04:05:24 <lingfish> That's what I thought... but the doctor is still trying to update the modem, grr.
Dec 30 04:06:26 <lingfish> make did run this:
Dec 30 04:06:27 <lingfish> sed -i.orig -e '/ModemUpdater/d' \
Dec 30 04:06:27 <lingfish> 		build/pre2-p224pre2-wr-2.2.4/webOS/installer.xml
Dec 30 04:06:34 <rwhitby> did you remove it from the carrier tarball?
Dec 30 04:06:56 <lingfish> er, nope
Dec 30 04:07:39 <lingfish> The README didn't say to
Dec 30 04:09:31 <lingfish> It also doesn't seem to have done the appropriate @echo
Dec 30 04:10:12 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: that's really all I want, thanks :)
Dec 30 04:11:05 <lingfish> rwhitby: heh, got it... trailing whitespace, tsk tsk ;)
Dec 30 04:11:22 <lingfish> rwhitby: line 435 of Makefile.
Dec 30 04:11:41 <lingfish> There's a few actually.
Dec 30 04:12:50 <rwhitby> pushed
Dec 30 04:15:35 <lingfish> line 441
Dec 30 04:15:48 <lingfish> 444
Dec 30 04:16:03 <lingfish> most lines after, actually
Dec 30 04:17:30 <lingfish> Alas, I think that only affected the output of the settings target... not the actual build
Dec 30 04:18:10 <lingfish> Still doesn't do anything other than the sed above
Dec 30 04:21:07 <lingfish> So yeah, any further thoughts?
Dec 30 04:25:25 <meretrix> Is there any way to install a terminal application directly on my phone without preware already installed?
Dec 30 04:25:45 <rwhitby> meretrix: no
Dec 30 04:26:14 <rwhitby> you can use palm-install from an attached host, but you might as well install Preware if you're doing that.
Dec 30 04:27:07 <meretrix> Ok thanks. I just didn't want to have to figure out how to get my linux box to talk with the phone.
Dec 30 04:27:33 <lingfish> rwhitby: yep, it looks like changing installer.xml for no modem update doesn't work
Dec 30 04:28:32 <rwhitby> meretrix: look at the bottom of http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html for novacom linux packages
Dec 30 04:28:37 <lingfish> rwhitby: and I'm thinking just removing the firmware from the jar will error the installer anyway, and so won't work
Dec 30 04:29:26 <rwhitby> lingfish: there are two places where modem firmware installation is done. the disable module update only catches one of them.  you need to remove the ipk from the carrier tarball to catch the other
Dec 30 04:30:02 <lingfish> rwhitby: ok so is that a meta "quirk" or expected behaviour?
Dec 30 04:30:28 <rwhitby> just something that hasn't been automated yet
Dec 30 04:30:37 <lingfish> k
Dec 30 04:32:21 <lingfish> rwhitby: so, make unpack patch, then remove ipk, then make pack?
Dec 30 04:33:40 <rwhitby> you'll need to edit carrier-file-list.txt
Dec 30 05:18:25 <wrea> hmm
Dec 30 05:19:31 <lingfish> bleh... that didn't go well.  Bummer.
Dec 30 05:20:47 <lingfish> rwhitby: the doctor finished this time, but still getting the blue-clouds-spinny-thing... I think I have a dead flex cable or modem :(
Dec 30 05:23:06 <summatusmentis> guuuuh, Tailor, go fasterrrrrr
Dec 30 05:24:41 <wrea> Whats the proper way to add arm-none-linux-gnueabi/libc/lib to LDFLAGS?
Dec 30 05:25:02 <wrea> Sincce there are more than one toolchain available I dont want to hardcode it to one
Dec 30 05:25:19 <wrea> summatusmentis, dont stare at it, then it'll go faster
Dec 30 05:26:22 <summatusmentis> been trying :)
Dec 30 05:35:38 <scoutcamper> "A watched pot ...."
Dec 30 05:53:19 <ka6sox> summatusmentis, as I am fond of saying: "Patience Grasshopper" :D
Dec 30 09:47:25 <fundillo> hello!  I'm installing Ubuntu on Touchpad / HP WebOS  it's been 1 full day and I'm just now running the doctor file
Dec 30 14:31:38 <Jack87> has anyone else received webos update alert for sprint pre2?
Dec 30 14:33:17 <Jack87> hum... phone is alerting me to update. should I do as is? or better make a meta doctor for it?
Dec 30 14:37:20 <Jack87> any insight?
Dec 30 14:43:33 <Jack87> ka6sox-away: ^ sprint pre 2 asking to upade for you to 2.2.4?
Dec 30 14:47:11 <Jack87> dwc-: last scale was in Feb this scale is in Jan. did you get a Pre 2 at scale at one of the events?
Dec 30 15:21:11 <fyodor_> rwhitby: hi, how can i git clone the whole customized/optimized kernel source tree from webos-internals' site?
Dec 30 15:23:00 <rwhitby> fyodor_: which kernel?
Dec 30 15:23:25 <fyodor_> uber or A4
Dec 30 15:23:47 <rwhitby> http://git.webos-internals.org/kernels/patches/
Dec 30 15:24:09 <rwhitby> and http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/kernels
Dec 30 15:24:31 <rwhitby> for those kernels, it's palm source plus patches
Dec 30 15:24:47 <fyodor_> I found uber or A4 kernel can't boot into webos 2.2.4 on my Veer and 'fixed' the key issue of the chinese Input Method...
Dec 30 15:25:04 <fyodor_> s/can't/can, sorry
Dec 30 15:26:41 <fyodor_> rwhitby: OK, thanks a lot.:)
Dec 30 15:27:10 <rwhitby> over the coming months, there's a good chance that all the kernels will end up on github as pre-patched source
Dec 30 15:27:56 <rwhitby> watch https://github.com/webos-internals/webos-linux-kernel/network/members
Dec 30 15:28:41 <fyodor_> that wouldn't be better. I hosted some projects on github too.
Dec 30 15:29:01 <rwhitby> wouldn't ?
Dec 30 15:29:18 <dwc-> Jack87: yes
Dec 30 15:29:22 <fyodor_> yes, best choice I mean. XD
Dec 30 15:29:48 <Jack87> dwc-: awesome!
Dec 30 15:33:45 <PuffTheMagic_> nice
Dec 30 15:33:53 <PuffTheMagic_> u can resize font in wterm with out restarting the app now
Dec 30 15:36:08 <fyodor_> rwhitby: I backported the bfs 316 into 2.6.29 for my veer running 2.1.2 one month ago. The bfs patch was just the same as used in my previous android device. I can't figure out why the new system with bfs kernel lagged too much.
Dec 30 15:45:05 <PuffTheMagic_> fyodor_: you cant compare your android to the HP kernel
Dec 30 15:45:08 <PuffTheMagic_> they are not the same
Dec 30 15:45:19 <PuffTheMagic_> thus bfs will not perform the same
Dec 30 15:47:05 <fyodor_> OK, I thought bfs is just a scheduler, either for webos or android.
Dec 30 16:27:49 <fundillo> after many hours of trying to put linux on my touchpad, I gave up
Dec 30 16:32:08 <stbuehler> there already is linux on your touchpad
Dec 30 16:37:51 <fundillo> ubunto linux
Dec 30 16:38:32 <fundillo> wow, this chatroom is not too good is it?
Dec 30 16:41:25 <keith> anyone have a sprint pre?
Dec 30 16:41:33 <keith> i'd love to get a prl update for my frankenpre2
Dec 30 16:41:44 <keith> without resorting to buying another pre or pixi
Dec 30 17:10:18 <Abyssul> I cant just click the next version update for patches if they dont need an update except to include 2.2.4?
Dec 30 17:22:35 * dwc- can't help but think that this chatroom has to be good if we all managed to get linux on our touchpads ;)
Dec 30 17:24:08 <oilsworkn> dwc-: because it totally doesn't come with linux preinstalled? xD
Dec 30 17:32:33 <dwc-> depends on whether you're going RMS'y on people
Dec 30 17:44:47 <ormris> Hi all.
Dec 30 17:45:28 <ormris> Does anyone know what the state of accessing the copy and paste buffer from an X app is?
Dec 30 17:48:50 <PuffTheMagic_> you would prob have to make a special clip board app to do that
Dec 30 17:49:00 <PuffTheMagic_> because X would have its own
Dec 30 17:55:26 <ormris> Hmmm...
Dec 30 17:56:07 <dwc-> just middle-click
Dec 30 17:56:09 <dwc-> ;)
Dec 30 17:56:16 <ormris> PuffTheMagic_: Is is possible to access the WebOS clipboard from the commandline?
Dec 30 17:56:32 <ormris> dwc-: Wish I could.
Dec 30 17:56:43 <ormris> Mouse emulation would be amazing.
Dec 30 18:15:25 <PuffTheMagic_> ormris: which command line?
Dec 30 18:20:38 <PuffTheMagic_> dwc-: so when r u gonna start hacking on wterm?
Dec 30 18:48:27 <ormris> PuffTheMagic_: XTerm or The Scary Black Screen
Dec 30 18:50:46 <ka6sox-away> wTerm is the scary black screen :D
Dec 30 18:56:56 <dwc-> PuffTheMagic_: for one, after work stops blowing up
Dec 30 19:01:07 <PuffTheMagic_> ka6sox-away: and now with selectable font size from 8 to 22pt
Dec 30 19:09:02 <ka6sox-away> for us old fogies :D
Dec 30 19:17:07 <PuffTheMagic_> man im cranking out feature after feature for wterm
Dec 30 19:18:09 <panel> hello guys
Dec 30 19:21:06 <PuffTheMagic_> i get so many emails "Do you have a version of Free Tether for Android?"
Dec 30 19:21:12 <PuffTheMagic_> or some variation of that
Dec 30 19:21:13 <Abyssul> Lol
Dec 30 19:21:20 <Abyssul> You should have it auto-reply
Dec 30 20:23:17 <mooneroid> Where does Preware write the saved package list? I've never been successful at restoring all my apps from that list because it's not there after a doctor.  I'd like to save it off somewhere and restore it manually and see it work.
Dec 30 20:33:40 <rrix> Use save/restore to get it on to the /media/internal
Dec 30 20:36:43 <mooneroid> rrix: thanks. I'll try that.
Dec 30 21:50:21 <martin_beaucha-1> G'night/G'day all. Have a happy new year! Here's hoping for a better year for webOS in 2012.
Dec 30 23:16:42 <EricBlade> ok, what is a patch called "rjwnworq"
Dec 30 23:57:22 <wrea> hey all
Dec 31 00:15:36 <pstrks> howdy
Dec 31 00:16:52 <pstrks> anybody knows how to take a screenshot on webOs 2.1?
Dec 31 00:17:51 <rrix> opt-sym-p
Dec 31 00:17:59 <pstrks> standard 3 key combination don't work
Dec 31 00:19:16 <pstrks> maybe it's not working because of some patches i have installed?
Dec 31 00:37:36 <b3d0u1n> How can you restart Luna from the shell if it's hung?  What processes need kill and restarted?
Dec 31 00:42:46 <Frost> b3d0u1n: it's probably documented somewhere on the wiki, but this should do it: initctl stop LunaSysMgr && initctl start LunaSysMgr
Dec 31 00:43:50 <b3d0u1n> Thanks.  I tried going to the single user startup levels earlier then just running upstart again, but I went to the shutdown runlevel by mistake :)
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