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Jan 06 03:31:05 <Sedorox> ugh, still having issues with my Pre3, and at&t is at the point that if it's not working correctly by tuesday, they want to do warrenty repair, which I better get a Pre3 back...
Jan 06 03:36:12 <wrea> hopefully they dont loose track of it
Jan 06 03:39:14 <halfhalo> its att.  they will just take it and run
Jan 06 04:19:18 * rwhitby would never let any carrier near a webOS device
Jan 06 04:20:07 <cvillers> i wasn't aware at&t sold any pre3s
Jan 06 04:20:35 <cvillers> thought it was canceled shortly before launch, but after marketing/packaging materials had been made
Jan 06 04:53:39 <chpwn> cvillers: I don't think they did?
Jan 06 05:10:41 <PatrickC> cvillers, chpwn, ive called HP multiple times about my pre3 with a broken camera, and their response to me is allways "They were never "officially released, therefore they have no warranty" so i assume they were never released :)
Jan 06 05:10:54 <PatrickC> never released in the US*
Jan 06 07:09:35 <wrea> rwhitby, thanks for helping with my bs this week :P
Jan 06 07:19:03 <rwhitby> wrea: bs?
Jan 06 07:20:28 <wrea> testing the build of my packages
Jan 06 07:37:25 <rwhitby> wrea: oh, no worries
Jan 06 15:09:52 <gurjenn> i want dowland your apps
Jan 06 15:12:24 <mOo> how do i bundle database with service i want to create?
Jan 06 15:13:10 <ka6sox> use db8?
Jan 06 15:25:07 <mOo> ka6sox: and how can i do that. it seems all db8 kinds is in a single database
Jan 06 15:26:13 <mOo> is veer A-GPS only, without GPS satellite support?
Jan 06 15:32:33 <ka6sox> mOo, I wish I knew...I just have heard there used to be a db avail...thought it was something like sqlite but it maybe gone now.
Jan 06 16:39:53 <Ice8lue> yohoho
Jan 06 21:59:17 <bhuey> folks
Jan 06 22:01:25 <RagingMind> ?
Jan 06 22:04:10 <ka6sox> bhuey, how
Jan 06 22:04:28 <bhuey> hey

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Jan 06 22:09:50 <RagingMind> everyone... scrub your brains
Jan 06 22:10:53 <wrea> lol
Jan 06 22:11:11 * dwc- passes the joint
Jan 06 22:11:44 * dwc- passes the fifth too
Jan 06 22:11:56 <wrea> i'll need a saw to get to my brain, i dont have easy access to it
Jan 06 22:33:34 <Shihatsu> hey guys, i cannot install preware, neither via wosqi (just the turning circle on windows for hours) nor via novatherm. i have pasted the error here: http://pastebin.com/hVS3AGhq
Jan 06 22:33:48 <Shihatsu> any advice? cannot live without preware!
Jan 06 22:34:17 <invalidopcode> Shihatsu: it looks like you have an internet connection problem
Jan 06 22:35:46 <Shihatsu> well, i have ran novatherm on the same computer i am using right now to talk to you and i can navigate to ipgk.preware.org with the browser without any problem
Jan 06 22:36:18 <summatusmentis> if you're running novaterm, it's going through the device
Jan 06 22:36:36 <dwc-> networking on the tablet be broke
Jan 06 22:37:06 <dwc-> somewhere between the connection to the AP and the DNS stack at least
Jan 06 22:39:54 <Shihatsu> device is a gsm pre3, not a tablet, and i have tried several reboots
Jan 06 22:41:11 <Shihatsu> nevertheless
Jan 06 22:41:23 <Shihatsu> i know why i always come here if i am getting angry
Jan 06 22:41:37 <Shihatsu> you guys just rock, and i was (again) too stupid
Jan 06 22:41:41 <Shihatsu> best tip was:
Jan 06 22:41:43 <Shihatsu> 23:35] <+summatusmentis> if you're running novaterm, it's going through the device
Jan 06 22:41:53 <Shihatsu> device was always in usb mode....
Jan 06 22:41:57 <dwc-> huh, wonder why I assumed it was a tablet
Jan 06 22:41:58 <Shihatsu> shame on me ;(
Jan 06 22:42:18 <dwc-> must be the other dude in the other channel asking tablet questions
Jan 06 22:42:44 <summatusmentis> Shihatsu: how were you even getting novaterm if the device was in USB mode?
Jan 06 22:42:59 <Shihatsu> uhm
Jan 06 22:42:59 <summatusmentis> does that work?
Jan 06 22:43:02 <Shihatsu> ya
Jan 06 22:43:08 <Shihatsu> without any problem?
Jan 06 22:43:09 <summatusmentis> it could, I just assumed not
Jan 06 22:43:12 <summatusmentis> interesting
Jan 06 22:43:34 <Shihatsu> i was thinking it has to be usb mode until 2 minutes ago^^
Jan 06 22:44:09 <Shihatsu> anyway, now there is my little penguinware back again, this time with the beta feeds
Jan 06 22:44:17 <Shihatsu> thank you very much guys!
Jan 06 22:45:17 <summatusmentis> glad I can help
Jan 06 22:47:36 <dwc-> one thing to be careful of
Jan 06 22:47:39 <dwc-> when you're in USB mode
Jan 06 22:47:51 <dwc-> don't modify /media/internal from the device
Jan 06 22:48:10 <invalidopcode> dwc-: why?
Jan 06 22:48:11 <summatusmentis> I'm pretty sure it gets unmounted doesn't it?
Jan 06 22:48:17 <dwc-> FS corruption is a distinct possibility
Jan 06 22:48:24 <invalidopcode> ah
Jan 06 22:48:54 <Shihatsu> wtf
Jan 06 22:49:03 <Shihatsu> how comes that?
Jan 06 22:49:03 <dwc-> summatusmentis: I dunno, but I minorly corrupted mine that way a couple of times
Jan 06 22:49:14 <Shihatsu> okay, ill be carefull
Jan 06 22:49:16 <dwc-> FAT is not a shared filesystem
Jan 06 22:49:34 <dwc-> so if windows or your host makes changes to the filesystem structures
Jan 06 22:49:40 <dwc-> and you do on your device
Jan 06 22:50:14 <Shihatsu> aaaa
Jan 06 22:50:24 <Shihatsu> tuckerbox requires at least 20 apps
Jan 06 22:50:24 <dwc-> (in other news, you can do the same corruption by hibernating your windows XP install's FAT partitions and mounting said FAT from your linux install too
Jan 06 22:50:32 <Shihatsu> didn't know that
Jan 06 22:50:48 <dwc-> not sure why it doesn't sync all its structures to disk before hibernating, but...)
Jan 06 22:51:02 <summatusmentis> I snuck in during the x-mas "approve everyone!"
Jan 06 23:03:41 <IceXtreme> Hi everyone
Jan 06 23:03:49 <RagingMind> Hello
Jan 06 23:04:12 <IceXtreme> I have a question with working with XML in enyo which I was hoping someone can help out
Jan 06 23:04:13 <IceXtreme> :)
Jan 06 23:05:10 <IceXtreme> has anyone worked with XMl in enyo?
Jan 06 23:05:10 <IceXtreme> :)
Jan 07 00:07:06 <rwhitby> App Tuckerbox is now out of beta, with no registration limit.
Jan 07 00:10:14 <wrea> awesome
Jan 07 00:31:30 <invalidopcode> hm... something isn't adding up here. 32 gb touchpad but after linux and android the partitions don't add up to 32... they add up to like 27...
Jan 07 00:42:31 <Sedorox> so it seems my Pre3 doesn't want to work only in my apartment
Jan 07 00:42:35 <Sedorox> at work, and on the road it seems fine
Jan 07 00:42:42 <Sedorox> even down on the street from my apartment
Jan 07 00:43:00 <Sedorox> wonder if it has anything to do with over 8 SSIDs visable around me
Jan 07 00:49:15 <Brybry> invalidopcode, if SSDs follow anything like other storage manufacturers that should be 32 * 10^9 (~29.8 gb) not 32 * 2^30. Then maybe some should be lost to the filesystems, though 2GB does seem like a lot to lose
Jan 07 00:50:58 <invalidopcode> Brybry: yeah, i messed with it before when playing with the first alpha of arch linux for the touchpad, so i'm thinking i might have messed something up.
Jan 07 00:52:31 <invalidopcode> plus with my /media/internal filesystem problems last weekend, im thinking a good factory reset might be a good thing
Jan 07 00:54:02 <Shihatsu> [01:06] <+rwhitby> App Tuckerbox is now out of beta, with no registration limit.
Jan 07 00:54:05 <Shihatsu> woha!
Jan 07 00:54:10 <Shihatsu> nice nice!
Jan 07 00:56:01 <dwc-> how are you measuring 'linux' and android?
Jan 07 00:56:36 <invalidopcode> dwc-: the lvm command then lvs
Jan 07 00:58:00 <dwc-> (136+24+256+568+512+16+64)/1024+16+11.52
Jan 07 00:58:00 <dwc-> 29.05906250000000000000
Jan 07 00:58:00 <dwc-> 32*1000^3/1024^3
Jan 07 00:58:00 <dwc-> 29.80232238769531250000
Jan 07 00:58:14 <dwc-> not much "missing" from mine
Jan 07 00:58:38 <invalidopcode> nice math :P yeah mine adds up to 27gb something or other
Jan 07 00:58:50 <dwc-> lvm> pvs PV              VG    Fmt  Attr PSize  PFree /dev/mmcblk0p14 store lvm2 a-   29.07G 8.00M
Jan 07 00:59:36 <invalidopcode> rwhitby: what's App Tuckerbox?
Jan 07 01:02:36 <dwc-> then you should look around and see where your unallocated space is
Jan 07 01:02:47 <dwc-> (if you care)
Jan 07 01:03:06 <Shihatsu> invalidopcode: in short it is the return of the palm app feeds in preware
Jan 07 01:03:28 <Shihatsu> but it can do a "little bit" more (as every app ob woi)
Jan 07 01:03:30 <invalidopcode> dwc-: yeah, i was trying to do that, idk, im doctoring now
Jan 07 01:03:47 <invalidopcode> Shihatsu: ah ok cool
Jan 07 01:17:56 <PatrickC> rwhitby, ping
Jan 07 01:18:12 <ka6sox> Danger Will Robinson
Jan 07 01:18:28 <wrea> lol
Jan 07 01:18:41 <PatrickC> its about app tuckerbox. for the article i wrote
Jan 07 01:18:47 <PatrickC> i dont see a donation link in the help page
Jan 07 01:19:34 <rwhitby> the splash screen has one
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