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Jan 17 03:09:39 <cerjam2> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/English_Wikipedia_anti-SOPA_blackout
Jan 17 04:26:03 <helppppppppp> it
Jan 17 05:03:25 <chadly71> anyone know what happened to the advanced reset options in predate it no longer appears in list . Had it installed and loved it now its gone.
Jan 17 05:03:57 <chadly71> predate is preware
Jan 17 05:04:18 <summatusmentis> what device OS?
Jan 17 05:04:30 <chadly71> touchpad
Jan 17 05:04:39 <rwhitby> hasn't been ported to 3.0.5 yet
Jan 17 05:04:42 <summatusmentis> err... device/OS
Jan 17 05:04:46 <summatusmentis> right, that.
Jan 17 05:05:10 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: would you get on that in all your spare time? ;)
Jan 17 05:05:11 <chadly71> thanks I miss it...
Jan 17 05:23:14 <cerjam2> anyone got any ideas
Jan 17 05:23:29 <cerjam2> as to why my 2nd pre wont turn on from battery, only turns on when plugged into ac power
Jan 17 05:23:34 <cerjam2> and even then it hangs at palm logo and reboots
Jan 17 05:24:43 <PatrickC> have you tried booting to recovery mode and doctoring?
Jan 17 05:24:48 <PatrickC> did u install any kernels on it?
Jan 17 05:24:55 <cerjam2> nope
Jan 17 05:24:56 <cerjam2> didnt touch it
Jan 17 05:24:58 <cerjam2> one day worked
Jan 17 05:25:00 <cerjam2> next day
Jan 17 05:25:00 <cerjam2> poof
Jan 17 05:25:01 <cerjam2> noworky.
Jan 17 05:25:40 <PatrickC> have you tried the doctor?
Jan 17 05:28:04 <cerjam2> i have not
Jan 17 05:28:17 <cerjam2> im not very familiar with webos whatnot even though i havce a touchpad
Jan 17 05:36:30 <PatrickC> webos-internals.org, webosnation.com, and webosroundup.com are good places to keep tabs
Jan 17 05:36:32 <PatrickC> on*
Jan 17 05:48:01 <cerjam2> i just emailed the ebay seller and yelled.
Jan 17 05:48:24 <cerjam2> if he tells me to piss off then ill worry about it
Jan 17 05:48:28 <cerjam2> still strange.
Jan 17 06:52:51 <Hewball> so i only just realised that the US touchpad power supplies come apart like the international ones do :|
Jan 17 06:54:42 <ka6sox> yup, they do...
Jan 17 06:54:58 <Hewball> if only i could get more Aus ones :(
Jan 17 07:31:07 <masterhit> morning
Jan 17 07:31:59 <panel> morning
Jan 17 14:58:32 <fmertz> Great article: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/01/maniac-tentacle-mindbenders-of-atlantis-how-scummvm-kept-adventure-gaming-alive.ars
Jan 17 14:58:51 <fmertz> Mentions scummvm for webos...
Jan 17 16:11:08 <Willypeanut> Hello
Jan 17 16:12:49 <Willypeanut> Any1 in heare
Jan 17 16:15:29 <Guest12707> Hey
Jan 17 16:35:14 <RagingMind> fmertz, the version in the catalog appears to be out of date, but the scummvm website has a direct downloadable ipk to install a newer version
Jan 17 16:43:33 <fmertz> I have not looked into it, just yet. Just read a fascinating article. I am not much of a gamer, but I remember playing some of these games back in the day...
Jan 17 16:43:59 <RagingMind> it's installed on my pre3 and touchpad just fine. seems to run on my pre3
Jan 17 16:44:56 <fmertz> So, once you have the vm installed, where do you get the games? I seem to have misplaced my touchpad floopy drive...:-D
Jan 17 16:45:25 <fmertz> I guess I have to look int it some more.
Jan 17 16:45:26 <RagingMind> and it seems to run on my touchpad too
Jan 17 16:45:46 <RagingMind> there are a bunch of freeware games online.  I'm going to have to download some to test that it works
Jan 17 16:52:22 <fmertz> Saw a good tidbit of info on the Webos page for scummvm.
Jan 17 16:52:49 <fmertz> So, if you write code in C for Webos, you cannot shit it with a shard library?
Jan 17 16:53:18 <fmertz> Say, you write code for an app. You would use the PDK, sdl, OpenGL,...
Jan 17 16:53:53 <fmertz> If you need something else (say, a nice SNMP library), you cannot package it as a shared lib?
Jan 17 16:54:06 <fmertz> YOu need to statically link it to your app?
Jan 17 16:54:30 <fmertz> *ship it (sorry)
Jan 17 16:58:04 <RagingMind> fmertz, for questions like that I's suggest #webos cause there are a bunch of palm people and app-cat devs that hang out in there (but yes there is a lot of overlap with this channel)
Jan 17 16:59:04 <fmertz> No problem. Thanks.
Jan 17 17:12:59 <PuffTheMagic> fmertz, wrong
Jan 17 17:13:08 <PuffTheMagic> u can ship it with any shared library you want
Jan 17 17:13:24 <PuffTheMagic> u just cant link against non-whitelisted system libs
Jan 17 17:14:26 <fmertz> so, your own app can use shared libs, but these "private" shared libs would not be shared with anyone else's?
Jan 17 17:14:37 <PuffTheMagic> correct
Jan 17 17:14:49 <fmertz> Or, put another way, you can't use anyone else's shared lib.
Jan 17 17:15:03 <PuffTheMagic> fmertz, its about not using system libs
Jan 17 17:15:29 <PuffTheMagic> hp/palm doesnt want to worry about apps breaking because they updated a lib
Jan 17 17:15:40 <fmertz> Whitelist being the list of open source libs, like the gnu c lib, sdl, opengl, ...
Jan 17 17:15:41 <PuffTheMagic> there is a small handset of libs that they will guarantee work
Jan 17 17:16:01 <PuffTheMagic> whitelist as in the list of libs they list on the pdk site
Jan 17 17:16:33 <fmertz> If I wanted to learn more, would your wirc app be a good place to start?
Jan 17 17:16:39 <PuffTheMagic> https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/pdk/linking.html
Jan 17 17:16:52 <fmertz> Thanks for sharing the link
Jan 17 17:16:57 <PuffTheMagic> those are the system libs u can link against
Jan 17 17:17:40 <gizmo21> hi there. I want to contribute to an existing patch (Browser/Sharing Super Mix) and have the code ready and tested. I contacted the maintainers listed here: http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=browse&webosver=2.1.0&category=Browser but got no answer so far. How is the usual contribution way. Should i just submit my altered files via http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=submit_update or should i give the code to the origi
Jan 17 17:22:20 <RagingMind> gizmo21, irc cut you off at "code to the origi"
Jan 17 17:34:38 <fmertz> So, if I want to use any of those shared libs, I need to .h file for them somewhere in the toolchain, right?
Jan 17 17:35:01 <fmertz> Are these already there? Do I need to go find them and compile/install them myself?
Jan 17 17:35:17 <fmertz> Thanks.
Jan 17 17:45:08 <PuffTheMagic> all the whitelisted stuff is included with the pdk
Jan 17 17:45:26 <PuffTheMagic> you can also build against the wosi build.git
Jan 17 17:51:10 <gizmo21> How is the usual contribution way. Should i just submit my altered files via http://patches.webos-internals.org/?do=submit_update or should i give the code to the original authors?
Jan 17 17:52:43 <fmertz> Where would I read about "build.git"? Thanks.
Jan 17 17:52:54 <fmertz> (new to this, as you can tell)
Jan 17 18:01:38 <dwc-> git.webos-internals.org
Jan 17 18:01:42 <dwc-> ideally you give the code to the original authors
Jan 17 18:01:54 <dwc-> email/twitter, post an update in the forum thread, etc
Jan 17 18:10:38 <gizmo21_> Ok i'll keep trying to contact the authors of the patch
Jan 17 18:12:50 <summatusmentis> I think a lot of webos-internals stuff got moved to github
Jan 17 19:00:21 <snacky> alguien que hable español
Jan 17 19:01:08 <snacky> helllo do you speak spanish
Jan 17 19:02:27 <ka6sox> does spanglish count?
Jan 17 19:02:56 <snacky> español
Jan 17 19:03:06 <dwc-> solamente un poco
Jan 17 19:03:43 <summatusmentis> snacky: generalmente, tratamos hablar en ingles, porque la mayoridad de la gente aqui habla ingles, y es mejor para todods entender lo que estamos discutiendo
Jan 17 19:04:33 <summatusmentis> todos*
Jan 17 19:05:39 <snacky> es que soy de colombia
Jan 17 19:06:38 <summatusmentis> si tienes una pregunta corta, puedo tratar de traducir, pero necesito ensenar en 15 minutos
Jan 17 19:09:47 <snacky> como entro en el sistema de hp veer para modificar el apn
Jan 17 19:10:51 <summatusmentis> Phone -> Preferences & Accounts -> Network -> Edit Network settings
Jan 17 19:10:51 <dwc-> phone app | preferences | "manual settings" | "edit network settings"
Jan 17 19:11:22 <dwc-> the preferences is in the application's dropdown menu in the upper-left
Jan 17 19:11:31 <summatusmentis> preferencias y cuentos -> red -> modificar red settings
Jan 17 19:12:23 <snacky> no lo encuentro pir ningun lado
Jan 17 19:13:09 <summatusmentis> estoy seguro que esta en los preferencias
Jan 17 19:13:47 <summatusmentis> en la menu al izquierda de la app de telefono
Jan 17 19:14:43 <snacky> ok pero el menu de preferencia no sale en ninguna parte nada mas encuentro vpn y wi-fi
Jan 17 19:14:53 <dwc-> izquierda
Jan 17 19:15:33 <summatusmentis> es la menu de preferencia especifico al app de telefono, no la del sistema total
Jan 17 19:17:11 <snacky> pero me toca instalar algo para verlo o como hago es que la verdad es mi primer HP con webOS
Jan 17 19:17:17 <snacky> y no entiendo mucho
Jan 17 19:17:48 <summatusmentis> no tienes que instalar nada, puedes accessar el app de telefono?
Jan 17 19:18:18 <snacky> no me permite ver ningun apn como los demas telefonos
Jan 17 19:18:57 <summatusmentis> pero tienes el app de telefono. Has accessado el menu al izquierda?
Jan 17 19:19:50 <summatusmentis> este menu tiene "editar", "sonidos", "preferencias", y "ayudo"
Jan 17 19:20:19 <dwc-> http://i41.tinypic.com/25i3lhc.png -- el tercero option
Jan 17 19:20:21 <snacky> te refieres al menu sistema
Jan 17 19:20:34 <summatusmentis> no el menu del app de telefono
Jan 17 19:20:55 <summatusmentis> lo siento, tengo que ir
Jan 17 19:21:16 <summatusmentis> oh, well, ok
Jan 17 19:21:19 <summatusmentis> tah all
Jan 17 19:21:22 <dwc-> tengo que ir, tiene que ir? :P
Jan 17 19:21:28 <snacky> ok gracias en todo caso
Jan 17 19:22:58 <snacky> alguien que me ayude a moificar el apn
Jan 17 19:23:06 <snacky> en hp veer
Jan 17 19:25:31 <dwc-> una pregunta... es verdad que "webos" es una palabra para "testiculos"?
Jan 17 19:30:10 <snacky> en español es algo similar
Jan 17 19:30:32 <snacky> help HP VEER APN
Jan 17 19:38:27 <snacky> HEL IN HP VEER APN
Jan 17 19:38:31 <snacky> SETTINGS
Jan 17 19:38:48 <snacky> HOLA
Jan 17 19:53:23 <destinal> snacky: it depends on your wireless phone service  -- depende de servicio telefono  (lo siento, no hablo mucho espanol)
Jan 17 19:54:51 <snacky> el celular es libre y estoy en colombia lo de red funciona bien pero los datos me dice que configure
Jan 17 19:55:00 <snacky> y no encuentro en donde
Jan 17 19:55:44 <snacky> no me aparece para configurar APN
Jan 17 19:55:46 <destinal> usted sabe qual APN?
Jan 17 19:56:49 <snacky> el apn que usa es de at&t por defecto
Jan 17 19:57:25 <destinal> si, es possible cambiar
Jan 17 19:57:40 <destinal> en la app de telefono
Jan 17 19:58:15 <snacky> me explicas por favor es que es mi primer  HP con os webOS
Jan 17 19:59:36 <destinal> en configuracion  -- - "manual settings on"  "edit network settings"  err quizas configuracion manual y modificar configuration ??  (mi pre3 es en engles)
Jan 17 20:01:19 <destinal> snacky: en "network"?  "red?"
Jan 17 20:01:31 <snacky> ese menu no aparece mi cel es un hp veer
Jan 17 20:03:16 <snacky> como abro ese menu?
Jan 17 20:03:17 <destinal> es dificil por que mi pre3 es en engles no espanol, pero creo que es possible
Jan 17 20:04:08 <destinal> if only NuttyBunny was here :)
Jan 17 20:04:49 <destinal> ~seen NuttyBunny
Jan 17 20:05:04 <infobot> nuttybunny <~cnegrete@201.141.253.222> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 26d 22h 18m 34s ago, saying: 'my Pre 2 OTA update failed :'('.
Jan 17 20:05:10 <destinal> :(
Jan 17 20:06:26 <snacky> tu sabes entrar en el menu de los os webOS?
Jan 17 20:06:35 <snacky> in the system
Jan 17 20:07:55 <chandoo> check this link http://www.dump.com/2011/04/04/flutes-in-space-video/
Jan 17 20:17:16 <destinal> snacky: http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10000/europe-gets-webos-131-fixes-sim-incompatibilities/    quizas las fotos ayudan
Jan 17 20:17:43 <destinal> snacky: es en el mendu de la app, no en sistema
Jan 17 20:17:52 <destinal> s/mendu/menu/
Jan 17 20:17:54 <infobot> destinal meant: snacky: es en el menu de la app, no en sistema
Jan 17 20:21:21 <destinal> sooo  bad with spanish -- I knew I should have studied more in school.  I wonder why NuttyBunny stopped coming, he would be able to explain all of this
Jan 17 20:22:05 <destinal> and knows all the carriers even
Jan 17 20:29:31 <RagingMind> there are a few people that have disappeared.  I'm hoping some come back, and lots of new people show up, when HP starts spewing source
Jan 17 20:30:50 <ka6sox> more like dribble...but who's counting
Jan 17 20:36:44 <snacky> ok pero en ese menu solo me aparece informacion acerca del telefono
Jan 17 20:42:17 <wrea> woo snow
Jan 17 20:42:40 <halfhalo> never heard of it
Jan 17 20:44:59 <snacky> no me aparece network settings
Jan 17 20:53:55 <destinal> snacky: solo existe si se active "manual settings"  o quizas en espanol  "configuracion manual" o similar??
Jan 17 20:56:27 <snacky> OK como activo el manual settings?
Jan 17 21:07:45 <destinal> snacky: no lo se la nombre de la misma opcion en su menu.  en engles "manual settings" y es como un interruptor(?)   duentro o fuera?  activo o inactivo? y necessita para ser activa.
Jan 17 21:30:46 <snacky> no se entonces tu sabes editar el carrierdb.json?
Jan 17 21:45:40 <PatrickC> infobot, welcome back :)
Jan 17 21:45:41 <infobot> back :), Sup yo?
Jan 17 21:50:04 <dwc-> infobot, welcome AAAA
Jan 17 21:50:06 <infobot> Welcome to the party, AAAA!
Jan 17 21:50:18 <dwc-> thought so
Jan 17 21:51:01 <PatrickC> yeah, realized that after i welcomed him lol
Jan 17 21:53:28 <snacky> hola saben editar ek carrierdb.json para HP VEER me se los dats pero no se como ponerlos para generarlo
Jan 17 21:53:46 <snacky> en http://digitalunlock.com/webos/carrierdb/index.html
Jan 17 22:03:24 <snacky> hello help in carrierdb.json for HP VEER
Jan 17 22:19:07 <bhuey> folks
Jan 17 22:32:09 <PatrickC> hey bhern
Jan 17 22:32:12 <PatrickC> bhuey*
Jan 17 22:42:27 <bhuey> hey
Jan 17 22:45:59 <Guest48055> The preware patch "Device profile service override" causes the HP APP CATALOG not to load.
Jan 18 02:21:25 <RagingMind> after doctoring my phone my media-internal volume has a "modemramdump" folder in it (though empty)  *shrugs*
Jan 18 02:23:32 <PatrickC> i get that every once in a while
Jan 18 02:23:35 <PatrickC> not sure what it is
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