**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 23 02:59:57 2012 Jan 23 03:01:06 re Jan 23 03:02:12 hi, where can I find docs on forcefull remove of patches because of 3.0.5 ? Jan 23 03:02:29 could not find it on the wiki Jan 23 03:04:56 there's something in preware that removes all patches, iirc Jan 23 03:05:10 EPR Jan 23 03:06:05 EPR? Jan 23 03:06:05 yes, that Jan 23 03:06:09 o Jan 23 03:06:13 Emergency Patch Removal? Jan 23 03:06:26 got it Jan 23 03:06:31 thanks will try that Jan 23 03:09:28 ~epr Jan 23 03:09:29 epr is, like, Emergency Patch Recovery, which will remove installed patches. Jan 23 03:53:46 does anyone remember what the wiki page for "keeping all your apps on a phone that isn't connected to your webOS account? Jan 23 03:54:22 stopdevicewipe Jan 23 03:54:35 yes, that, thanks Jan 23 03:55:34 my month of simple mobile is up, back to my Pre2 Jan 23 03:56:44 the buttons on the veer are clickier, I like them much better Jan 23 04:52:46 summatusmentis, have you used a pre3? Jan 23 04:52:53 nope Jan 23 04:52:55 the keyboard is really amazing Jan 23 04:53:25 it reminds me of a bigger Pixi keyboard Jan 23 04:53:28 they're expensive-ish, and gsm isn't worth it Jan 23 04:53:30 havent used a veer much before Jan 23 04:53:43 * PatrickC was lucky and got one as a gift Jan 23 04:53:48 the veer keyboard is very similar to the centro Jan 23 04:53:54 didnt use those Jan 23 04:54:03 but I mean the power button/volume buttons Jan 23 04:54:04 my palm life started with the pixi Jan 23 04:56:44 ah Jan 23 04:56:56 mine was a centro, because it was a cheap smarthone for my SERO plan Jan 23 04:57:46 my first phone was a Sanyo Incognito.. had that for a few weeks then got a Pixi lol Jan 23 04:58:37 then pre, then blackberry 9630 then blackberry 9650 then sprint pre2 thanks to WebOS Internals :) Jan 23 05:02:42 Hewball, ping :) Jan 23 05:04:40 the veer and pre3 are pretty nice keyboards Jan 23 05:05:07 I liked the veer keyboard, to be sure Jan 23 05:05:08 haven't been using either of mine Jan 23 05:05:23 pre3 is much nicer than the old htc phones i had Jan 23 05:05:58 i just got a pre Jan 23 05:06:00 and i enjoy it. Jan 23 05:06:24 nice! Jan 23 05:06:28 unsure whether I prefer the pre3 or the veer's keyboard... one of these days I will bite the bullet and start using those two as daily phones Jan 23 05:08:27 i finally (after almost a year) built my sprint pre2 Jan 23 05:11:27 I love electricity Jan 23 05:11:47 * PatrickC does too Jan 23 05:19:03 dwc-, yeah so snow sucks Jan 23 05:19:13 or, the resulting ice storm sucks Jan 23 05:19:33 snow.. they're expecting tornadoes here tonight.. Jan 23 05:19:43 k Jan 23 05:19:56 * PatrickC wishes it was snowing Jan 23 05:20:09 i'd send you some if I could Jan 23 05:20:14 https://twitter.com/#!/melissapierce/status/160740683630657536/photo/1 Jan 23 05:20:19 I hate shoveling Jan 23 05:20:29 we dont get that much snow that we have to Jan 23 05:20:42 * PatrickC back on topic.. :) Jan 23 05:21:17 PatrickC, http://www.pasty.com/snow/index.html Jan 23 05:21:45 lol Jan 23 05:21:57 send some down to tahoe, the skiers are antsy Jan 23 05:21:59 wow... we get a few feet.. if its a super snowy year Jan 23 05:22:41 record set in the winter of 78-79 is 32.5ish FEET of snow Jan 23 05:22:47 the resorts up here got quite a few feet Jan 23 05:22:53 what is this snow thing you speak of? Jan 23 05:23:05 300 people were trapped at a resort, got the mountain to themselves Jan 23 05:23:21 halfhalo: go up to the grapevine during the winter! Jan 23 05:23:42 (watch out for the socal idiots who don't know how to drive sliding off the road) Jan 23 05:23:56 those guys are funny to watch haha Jan 23 05:24:18 until they plow into the side of your car going backwards... Jan 23 05:24:55 dwc-, people here who deal with some snow every year dont even know how to drive in it Jan 23 05:25:02 RagingMind, speaking from experience? Jan 23 05:25:08 of being hit* Jan 23 05:25:46 wrea: exactly Jan 23 05:25:50 no. just friends Jan 23 06:42:48 dwc-, didnt have cell service most of the time either, which kinda sucked Jan 23 07:12:56 bah Jan 23 08:05:52 hi there. is there anybody managing the release webos-patches via webosinternals online right now? Jan 23 08:08:15 i sumbitted an update via patch portal for SharingSuperMix-patch and wondered how long it could take to release or contacting me that anything is wrong with the submit: http://is.gd/M1qThk -> thread on webosnation Jan 23 08:08:57 gizmo21: I'll take a look Jan 23 08:09:56 thx i think i didn't change the dev emailadress to mine, as ai didn't wnat to take credits for the patch, but left my adress in the to: admins textfield Jan 23 08:12:22 what's this "bah" ... what happened to "folks" Jan 23 08:30:57 gizmo21: you should change the email address, since we need to email you if there are problems. Jan 23 08:31:47 (I'll fix that Jan 23 08:32:50 gizmo21: your patch failed to apply on 2.1.0, 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 - it only passed on 2.2.4 Jan 23 08:33:02 if you only meant to submit it for 2.2.4, you should not tick the other boxes Jan 23 08:34:05 oh ok i didn't know that, how can i submit a patch for all versions. i have to submit it one at a time, right? Jan 23 08:34:08 gizmo21: I'm assuming that's the case, and pushing it through for 2.2.4 only Jan 23 08:34:24 yes, different OS versions may require different patches Jan 23 08:34:34 yaeh i just testetd it on my 2.2.4. devices so i can't say it works for 2.1 Jan 23 08:35:46 ok sorry, well i'm new to all that, next release will be in a better shape. but the .patch file was ok for 2.2.4? i made it with winmerge. Jan 23 08:37:09 yes, looked fine Jan 23 08:38:35 great, so i have my workflow to get it going and i'll try to get the changes ready for the older releases too. thx rwhitby, and i'll enter my mailadress next time :) Jan 23 08:39:04 it should be in the feeds in 15 minutes or so Jan 23 08:39:46 wow ok, so i now also now it can be fast to release it :) Jan 23 09:23:05 hey guys! Jan 23 09:59:19 hello 2 all Jan 23 09:59:24 hi gizmo21 Jan 23 10:05:45 hi Jan 23 10:07:11 like to use your synoMusic a lot. Jan 23 10:08:13 do you know a way to let the HDDs sleep instantly on a synology (via cmdline etc.)? Jan 23 10:18:44 I will find something about that Jan 23 10:19:02 I will submit today synoFM touchpad update Jan 23 10:26:55 gizmo21 synoMusic have a lot of bugs :/ wish a have more free time Jan 23 10:35:15 folks Jan 23 10:42:56 @panel, well yeah the playlist is not very stable when moving around a lot. But selecting a folder and let it play continously works. Jan 23 10:43:33 and for me now with bluetooth streaming since 2.2.4 stable. Jan 23 11:27:31 Hello Jan 23 11:27:49 Debian on pixi? Realy? Jan 23 11:53:05 Hello there. Jan 23 11:53:15 hi Jan 23 11:54:23 Does some one could indicate me how to debug( aka retieve boo log) a custom kernel not booting ? Jan 23 11:54:45 the problem is that the kernel fails early it seems Jan 23 11:55:02 for instance I tried klog with no success Jan 23 11:56:45 So if someone here could indicate us (GNUtoo and me) how to have some feedback perhaps with bootie or something else ? Jan 23 12:02:11 here is the kernel for a pre2 http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core/images/palmpre2/uImage-2.6.24+gitr3+0b1014d99fc4992ece1605285e728c44d801a7a7-r1-palmpre2-20111218003927.bin Jan 23 12:02:32 walk around for the palmpre Jan 23 12:03:33 maybe let's wait for PuffTheMagic Jan 23 12:06:56 GarthPS, is there a way to dump the bootloaedr? Jan 23 12:07:01 *bootloader Jan 23 12:07:49 GNUtoo: I don't know.. perhaps rwhitby knows that Jan 23 12:07:57 ok Jan 23 12:08:19 or maybe looking at disassembly pictures Jan 23 12:08:28 we could identify a chip like fsa* Jan 23 12:08:42 and then build the serial cable if we find the specs of that chip Jan 23 12:33:06 GarthPS: you can get klog via novaterm to bootie Jan 23 12:33:18 novacom get file://klog Jan 23 12:33:44 but you need to do a recovery mode dance without losing power to the memory Jan 23 12:34:06 which involves a tricky manoeuvre with the USB cable and battery Jan 23 12:34:44 loose enough power to reset the CPU, but keep enough power to retain the klog memory Jan 23 12:35:20 rwhitby, ok ouch Jan 23 12:35:34 rwhitby, what kernel arguments are required for klog? Jan 23 12:35:45 look in /proc/cmdline in webOS Jan 23 12:35:51 ok Jan 23 12:35:55 I'll look on the wiki Jan 23 12:36:13 because webos doens't boot anymore and I don't remember the arguments to make it boot Jan 23 12:38:31 if webOS doesn't boot, then just doctor Jan 23 12:38:44 I had a trick to make it boot Jan 23 12:38:57 I just don't remember the righ /dev/mmcblk0pN Jan 23 12:39:13 * rwhitby bbt Jan 23 12:39:36 GNUtoo: how that doe sit not boot anymore ? Jan 23 12:40:02 hmmm setenv bootargs foo bar only takes foo Jan 23 12:40:46 by the ay thx rwhitby ! Jan 23 12:40:55 s/ay/way/ Jan 23 12:40:56 GarthPS meant: by the way thx rwhitby ! Jan 23 12:41:25 indeed thanks a lot Jan 23 12:41:36 the problem is how to do the manoeuvre Jan 23 12:41:48 because I already tried and each time I failed Jan 23 12:42:24 setenv bootargs "foo bar" worked Jan 23 12:42:27 GNUtoo: perhaps rwhitby could give us a clue about how many time it is about ? half a sec , less ? Jan 23 12:42:41 GNUtoo: I try it know Jan 23 12:43:05 GarthPS, don't forget the bootargs for klog Jan 23 12:43:21 klog=0x8ff00000 klog_len=0x100000 from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_Pre_Boot_Process Jan 23 12:48:35 hmmm maybe bad address Jan 23 12:48:41 I'll try a different one Jan 23 13:14:40 GarthPS, could you boot webos and cat me /proc/cmdline? Jan 23 13:15:04 GNUtoo: yeah sur! Jan 23 13:19:01 GNUtoo: for my pre2 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro fb=0x9f600000 fbcon=disable console=tty1 nduid=f074b3faaaf3caccf715d1794a99be9e47391326 klog=0x9ff00000 klog_len=0x100000 boardtype=castle-roadrunner-pvt dsp_base=0x9f900000 dsp_len=0x600000 HousingA=glass lastboot=reboot Jan 23 13:19:50 ok thanks Jan 23 13:19:54 that's for webos? Jan 23 13:22:00 GNUtoo: yes tha is from webos Jan 23 13:23:15 GNUtoo: why ? Jan 23 13:25:11 because I would like to be able to boot webos Jan 23 13:25:22 so I need to find /dev/mmcblk0pN Jan 23 13:25:36 else I would have to do webos doctor.... Jan 23 13:25:43 and then reinstall SHR again Jan 23 13:25:47 etc... Jan 23 13:28:01 GNUtoo: look in our makefile http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=utilities.git;a=blob;f=palmpre/fso-installer/Makefile;h=b978c96e4535103309acccaf1dc6344f878aea1e;hb=HEAD Jan 23 13:28:01 for pre<3 it is mmcblk0p2 Jan 23 13:29:07 ok Jan 23 13:29:36 I fail at finding the Ubuntu 11.04 Chroot sources, could somebody point me to the right place? Jan 23 13:30:12 abackstrom, maybe it's in /etc/apt/sources,list Jan 23 13:30:30 you would apt-get sources or something like that Jan 23 13:31:11 ah, sorry. i mean the source for the chroot package itself Jan 23 13:31:21 (org.webosinternals.ubuntu-natty-chroot) Jan 23 13:31:33 http://git.webos-internals.org/ ? Jan 23 13:31:43 seem not there Jan 23 13:31:49 Yeah, it's missing from that list Jan 23 13:31:59 and it's not linked to from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot Jan 23 13:33:03 GarthPS, I've to work right now Jan 23 13:33:09 can you keep trying? Jan 23 13:34:12 GNUtoo: yeah sure but I just want to be sur about what I have to do => MP Jan 23 15:08:24 rwhitby, hi again, we have a hard time getting the klog, is it possible to reset the board by shorting some pins that are on the back? Jan 23 15:08:45 to emulate something like a reset button on devboards Jan 23 15:11:03 it's not exactly clear to me what i should enter as device and carrier for metadoctoring an unlocked gsm pre2 sent to me by HP, could someone give me the hints. the page is at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor Jan 23 15:13:29 pre2 is the device Jan 23 15:14:20 madnificent: shouldn't the device be pre 2? :) Jan 23 15:14:27 and what should i enter as carrier? wr, as it's unlocked Jan 23 15:14:31 no Jan 23 15:14:34 the original carrier Jan 23 15:14:37 i didn't see pre2 in the examples Jan 23 15:14:46 but there is no original carrier, palm sent it to me Jan 23 15:14:49 madnificent, the wiki page is slightly outdated Jan 23 15:15:08 yeah that wiki page is to metadoctor pre minus and pluses Jan 23 15:15:16 probably there is more options in the script Jan 23 15:15:17 the makefile and readme that you get when you checkout metadoc have the up to date options Jan 23 15:15:20 yep Jan 23 15:15:28 oh, sorry then Jan 23 15:15:29 thanks! Jan 23 15:15:36 but you usually have to use the original carrier of the device Jan 23 15:15:38 even when unlocked Jan 23 15:15:39 I'm thinking it's wr that you want Jan 23 15:15:46 it was that way for pre pluses and minuese Jan 23 15:16:18 Lazar_Dobrescu, with the pre2 hpalm started selling unlocked gsm devices that don't have an original carrier of any kind Jan 23 15:16:36 ok Jan 23 15:22:58 RagingMind: the pre- was unlocked also Jan 23 15:31:21 GarthPS, try that patch (It seem not to work for me) http://www.pastie.org/3237487 Jan 23 15:31:54 abackstrom: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/apps/ubuntu-natty-chroot Jan 23 15:37:38 GNUtoo: hmm I have an old building system , will take a while before I can test this :) Jan 23 15:39:19 ok Jan 23 15:39:34 basically I'm not sure of my tools Jan 23 15:39:44 because I use a modified precomm Jan 23 16:09:50 ok rwhitby your trick is really trickyyyy! :) i did "succeded" once in something like ten attempts and it was about bootie Jan 23 16:10:21 if you have more advance advices about this trick Jan 23 16:34:19 GarthPS, I found that: Jan 23 16:34:20 https://github.com/slyon/bootr/blob/master/doc/README Jan 23 16:34:25 so I'm back with webos Jan 23 16:34:31 I'll try to replace the kenrel from webos Jan 23 16:36:23 GNUtoo: did you already look/use our installer ? http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=utilities.git;a=blob;f=palmpre/fso-installer/Makefile;h=b978c96e4535103309acccaf1dc6344f878aea1e;hb=HEAD Jan 23 16:36:56 'cause it install and use it by default Jan 23 16:37:21 Sylon did it for me Jan 23 16:37:40 my problem with the palm pre: I don't want to use the non-free novacom Jan 23 16:37:44 so I used precom Jan 23 16:37:52 I even modified it for beeing able to talk to bootie Jan 23 16:46:12 hi Jan 23 16:46:43 i am planning to compile mplayer for touchpad, doing for first time, pls provide me any links on how to compile Jan 23 16:57:15 GarthPS, maybe I did an error but it seem that the patch work Jan 23 16:57:46 yes I surely did an error Jan 23 16:57:53 touchscreen doesn't work Jan 23 16:58:19 GNUtoo: :) so where is your erro (still building here) Jan 23 16:59:12 humain error with precomm I think Jan 23 16:59:15 I'm not sure Jan 23 16:59:33 again I've a problematic touchscreen Jan 23 16:59:38 I'll try again with oe Jan 23 17:00:37 Linux palmpre 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #72 Mon Jan 23 17:51:09 CET 2012 armv7l GNU/Linux Jan 23 17:00:42 what does that looks like? Jan 23 17:00:45 hmmm 23 jan Jan 23 17:00:50 seem to be my kernel Jan 23 17:01:39 Created: Mon Jan 23 17:51:27 2012 Jan 23 17:01:44 but not the right one.... Jan 23 17:01:57 ah ok it is Jan 23 17:01:59 I looked in the config Jan 23 17:02:06 so I may have found the problem Jan 23 17:03:01 ah right mplayer blocks the device Jan 23 17:03:03 I forgott Jan 23 17:06:15 dwc-: thank you Jan 23 17:12:19 GarthPS, can you do me a favor? Jan 23 17:12:26 if I fix (very soon) Jan 23 17:12:34 I'd like you to fix the wiki Jan 23 17:12:45 because I started unsupporting the palm pre Jan 23 17:12:56 if it's fixed it's not unsuported anymore Jan 23 17:16:47 GNUtoo: yop np! I will be glade to do that! Jan 23 17:19:15 tsmd -n /dev/touchscreen -f Jan 23 17:19:16 tslib: Selected device is not a Linux input event device Jan 23 17:19:21 I'll fix the kernel then Jan 23 17:19:37 I hope I didn't do a stupid error that made it appear to work but didn't work Jan 23 17:21:28 GNUtoo: morphis was working on something regarde with devtempfs and the ts not working before the kernel had stop to boot. perhaps you should speak with morphis about that Jan 23 17:21:52 ok Jan 23 17:31:37 GNUtoo: when you speak about the wiki you mean FSO's wiki nor shr's one right ? Jan 23 17:40:00 yes fso wiki Jan 23 17:40:18 I'm currently building Jan 23 17:40:34 and I'll push in meta-smarphone the new srcrev as soon as it's built Jan 23 17:44:41 chandoo: http://mplayer-webos.googlecode.com/svn/trunk https://github.com/error454/mplayer-webos Jan 23 17:45:56 GNUtoo: ok thx , so no need to exchange with morphis ? Jan 23 17:46:13 plus you change only this page right ? http://wiki.freesmartphone.org/index.php/Hardware Jan 23 17:47:41 only the last change Jan 23 17:52:06 hi Jan 23 17:52:19 GNUtoo: wait, is FSO planning on merging w/ webOS? Jan 23 17:52:21 or something? Jan 23 17:52:46 or just want pre hardware support? Jan 23 17:52:58 just pre hardware support Jan 23 17:53:06 the merge with webos may come later...or not Jan 23 17:53:11 intresting Jan 23 17:53:17 interesting* Jan 23 17:53:26 fso people like mickeyl are interested Jan 23 17:53:35 but we didn't see the source of webos yet Jan 23 17:53:40 so we can't tell Jan 23 17:53:55 dwc-, ok I'll look Jan 23 17:54:16 GarthPS, only the hardware comparison Jan 23 17:54:31 GarthPS, but let me push and you will build and verify on pre-2 too Jan 23 17:54:37 and then you change the page Jan 23 17:54:42 GNUtoo: yar, we haven't seen the source either Jan 23 17:55:02 we're waiting for the source to decide what to do Jan 23 17:55:08 but note that FSO is only a middleware Jan 23 17:55:19 FSO people like morphis could adapt webos to it tough Jan 23 17:55:25 he's already doing aurora Jan 23 17:55:36 which is a QT GUI for fso Jan 23 17:56:15 right, I talked to mickeyl in 2008 during GSoC, about openmoko Jan 23 17:56:46 ok Jan 23 17:56:58 mickeyl is also interested in webos release Jan 23 17:57:16 so are the rest of us :) HP just needs to hurry up Jan 23 18:00:09 dwc-:{ thanks for link Jan 23 18:00:14 i will follow that Jan 23 18:00:27 is this for touchpad, Jan 23 18:33:59 dwc-:{ it is not for touchpad Jan 23 19:02:18 sure it is Jan 23 19:02:21 I have it on my touchpad Jan 23 19:29:34 dwc-, have what on your touchpad? Jan 23 19:36:18 mplayer/touchplayer Jan 23 19:36:25 ah Jan 23 19:43:18 dwc-, does that mplayer work on palm pre? Jan 23 19:43:48 I believe the first one does, but I've never put it on my pre2 Jan 23 19:43:53 ok Jan 23 19:44:03 dwc-, do you know how mplayer was fixed? Jan 23 19:44:12 because on SHR it freeze the phone Jan 23 19:44:20 you do mplayer Jan 23 19:44:31 and the phone freeze Jan 23 19:44:33 I didn't write it. source appears to be there for your perusal. Jan 23 19:44:37 probably NEON related Jan 23 19:44:40 ok Jan 23 19:45:00 anyone recommend an rss feed reader that can make offline copies for later reading when theres no wifi ? Jan 23 19:45:36 I use feedreader Jan 23 19:46:47 it saves a part of the story, before the 'jump' , depending on the feed. Jan 23 19:47:04 i think the one in the app store can do it ;\ Jan 23 19:47:44 dwc-:{ what is the mplayer ipk for touchpad, where can i get it Jan 23 19:48:29 error454 writes touchplayer Jan 23 19:48:38 dwc-:{ will this work ca.canucksoftware.mplayer_1.0.2_armv7.ipk Jan 23 19:49:08 try it and see? Jan 23 19:52:22 touchplayer from preware with the extra feed is how you get it, i think Jan 23 20:09:03 bah... thats what i get for using the theme manager before it used AUSMT scripts :/ Jan 23 20:09:34 anyone have a backup zip file of the default webOS theme? or know where its stored? Jan 23 20:15:51 my kingdom for the locate/whereis program so i can locate stuff in touchpad ;\ Jan 23 20:15:57 PatrickC : dunno where it is Jan 23 20:16:30 Compn, thanks .. i hope someone knows where it is.. really dont want to have to doctor over this... :/ Jan 23 20:16:39 but if i have to, then so be it.. its my fault :P Jan 23 20:16:49 i'll google some for it Jan 23 20:16:55 what device or webos version ? Jan 23 20:18:38 and how did you install the theme ? Jan 23 20:19:49 its ok, u dont have to do that Jan 23 20:54:53 is there any way to take the camera off of one pre3 and put it on another pre3? Jan 23 20:55:21 i have a pre3 that works perfectly (but the autofocus is broken) and i have a pre3 the doesnt work at all (processor is fried) but the camera is fine Jan 23 20:55:21 abackstrom: git.webos-internals.org has what you are looking for, in the preware/build.git repo Jan 23 20:55:45 GNUtoo: to get the klog, have usb power in, and pull the battery momentarily Jan 23 20:55:57 rwhitby: thank you, dwc- hooked me up a little earlier today Jan 23 20:56:30 rwhitby, I think I fixed it anyway without klog, I'll have the confirmation very soon Jan 23 20:56:48 btw thanks a lot!!! Jan 23 20:57:34 hey rwhitby, hows it goin? Jan 23 20:57:52 it's 7:30am, that's how it's going ;) Jan 23 20:57:53 Now that I've got ubuntu-chroot going, I'm wondering if I can make a "control center" app for starting mysql/php-fpm/nginx Jan 23 20:58:06 lol Jan 23 20:58:29 * PatrickC is gonna be sending off this pre3 to WebOS Internals as soon as he figures out how to fix the camera.. hmm... Jan 23 20:58:45 btw does someone knows why a standard(compiled within openembedded with armv7) mplayer freeze the device? Jan 23 20:58:56 I do mplayer in chroot Jan 23 20:59:01 and it freeze the pre Jan 23 21:02:33 GNUtoo : run it in gdb ? Jan 23 21:02:40 that's what I tought Jan 23 21:02:51 could be kernel panic or something naughty Jan 23 21:02:53 it will give me the instruction Jan 23 21:03:01 possibly wrong cpu instruction Jan 23 21:03:05 I think it's something with NEON Jan 23 21:03:20 possibly wrong compilation options or mplayer bug wrt cpu optimizations Jan 23 21:03:32 abackstrom : why not put it in cron job ? Jan 23 21:04:06 GNUtoo : actually, if it freezes, probably will freeze in gdb too ;\ Jan 23 21:04:19 try it first? Jan 23 21:04:37 also check dmesg Jan 23 21:05:03 Compn: I think the on-demand state control would be more useful. Flip the switch when I need to do some dev, turn it off when I'm done Jan 23 21:05:38 Compn, yes but I will see the next instruction Jan 23 21:05:50 basically I tougt : Jan 23 21:05:52 gdb disass Jan 23 21:06:01 and then n or ni Jan 23 21:06:07 it freeze very soon Jan 23 21:06:19 but I wondered if someone already knew the reason Jan 23 21:06:29 like the people making mplayer for the pre Jan 23 21:12:44 they might know Jan 23 21:12:58 they should share some tips or links back to the mplayer project too Jan 23 21:13:07 since mplayer would like to link to touchpad / pre binaries :) Jan 23 21:13:56 what is mplayer exactly? Jan 23 21:14:17 open source multi platform media player Jan 23 21:14:20 like vlc Jan 23 21:14:24 ah Jan 23 21:14:41 also boasts to be the fastest and plays the most formats :) Jan 23 21:14:53 lol Jan 23 21:15:05 i dont need things like that. VLC normally works for me Jan 23 21:15:36 yep, vlc is good for most people Jan 23 21:19:46 Has anyone investigated a fix for this? https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?p=96115#p96115 Jan 23 21:40:26 Compn: if you're looking for things from the OS, try /md5sums or /usr/lib/ipkg Jan 23 21:53:04 Hi Jan 23 21:58:16 * PatrickC wonders if its possible to replace the camera on the pre3 without removing the processor.. hmm... Jan 23 22:06:47 GNUtoo: yop so what's up ? Jan 23 22:07:34 GarthPS, let's switch to #openmoko-cdevel Jan 23 22:34:11 i have chrooted the pre2 and have succesfully installed lxde and chromium-browser. i can launch the latter, but how do i start the former? Jan 23 22:34:54 lxde? Jan 23 22:34:57 startlxde? Jan 23 22:35:21 iirc Jan 23 22:36:42 whoa.. madnificent! long time no see :) Jan 23 22:37:06 ah right! Jan 23 22:37:10 yes PatrickC Jan 23 22:37:14 Jan 23 22:37:15 i've been busy coding stuffs Jan 23 22:37:19 same here Jan 23 22:37:48 how's tasks-at-hand? Jan 23 22:38:10 a few other questions: can i rotate the screen 90 degrees? Jan 23 22:38:22 on pre2? not sure.. dont think so Jan 23 22:38:30 tasks@hand was getting an extension for org-mode by someone but i haven't heard of the final response Jan 23 22:38:32 on touchpad, super easy :) Jan 23 22:39:06 and the top of the screen is not touchable, it seems like the top 10 pixels are taken up by a magical border, can i recalibrate the touch area? Jan 23 22:39:13 how do you do it on the touchpad? Jan 23 22:39:34 turn the actual device and let the regular screen rotate :) Jan 23 22:40:04 odd that it doesn't work on the pre2 Jan 23 22:40:31 the pre2 also wont let you rotate the screen regularly like the touchpad Jan 23 22:40:34 and i blame that on Adora Jan 23 22:40:59 my most sincere apologies Jan 23 22:41:15 Adora: for what? Jan 23 22:41:31 for whatever I'm being blamed for Jan 23 22:41:32 (also long time i've seen Adora join) Jan 23 22:41:43 ive seen her join, just not talk :) Jan 23 22:41:57 * madnificent hasn't blamed, but would forgive Jan 23 22:41:57 Adora, we're talking about how you cant rotate the screens on the phones like u can on the touchpad Jan 23 22:42:19 rotate the screen regularly? Jan 23 22:42:39 PatrickC: the screen calibration is an issue too Jan 23 22:42:55 dwc-: the pre2 doesn't seem to respond to that when in xterm or in lxde Jan 23 22:43:22 is that the pre2's fault, or the application running in it? Jan 23 22:43:49 * madnificent doublchecks with the webbrowser Jan 23 22:44:05 webbrowser rotates, application it is Jan 23 22:44:16 dwc-, im talking about globaly Jan 23 22:44:26 the touchpad you can rotate the screen even when not in an application Jan 23 22:44:30 pre2 you cannot Jan 23 22:47:09 what are you talking about? Jan 23 22:47:14 you mean luna doesn't rotate? Jan 23 22:47:26 like, the app launcher/etc. Jan 23 22:47:31 so it might be luna, not sure Jan 23 22:49:29 dwc-: this is about the ubuntu chroot (but actually the x server) which doesn't rotate Jan 23 22:49:44 is there a key combo to make it rotate through randr, perhaps Jan 23 22:50:43 is it alright to ask about chroot? Jan 23 22:50:51 ubuntu specifically Jan 23 22:51:10 blacks: i was just talking about it and i haven't been kicked Jan 23 22:51:10 as long as its on webos Jan 23 22:51:20 cool Jan 23 22:51:39 so i installed lxde and didnt have the script install some keyboard Jan 23 22:52:00 which was an option, and now the space where the keyboard should be is just black. Jan 23 22:54:00 any way i can remotely install a keyboard or get it working by just clicking? Jan 23 22:54:46 i guess it leaves the space open for the touchpad's own keyboard Jan 23 22:55:22 it's just black where the webos keyboard should be Jan 23 22:55:40 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-development/295909-easy-autoconfiguration-ubuntu.html Jan 23 22:55:45 step 6 seems to be what you want, no? Jan 23 22:56:22 i was just about to link to that :) Jan 23 22:57:24 i had the script not install florence. virtual keyboard. but i can't re run the script because i need the keyboard for terminal Jan 23 22:57:55 blacks, install Tweaks, and then check it and make sure the VKB is enabled Jan 23 23:00:03 what output does xrandr write to on the pre2? Jan 23 23:01:39 hmm, i think it's named default (lucky guess) Jan 23 23:02:28 alright, well that did it thanks patrick Jan 23 23:13:48 PatrickC: it's possible though http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X has screenshots in the right direction Jan 23 23:13:55 i had no luck with xrandr Jan 23 23:28:28 is there a default root password on ubuntu chroot Jan 23 23:30:59 blacks: set it by entering passwd in the terminal Jan 23 23:32:23 thank you Jan 23 23:35:25 god dammit i love my new linux tablet. is there a possibility that the debian chroot could coexist with ubuntu. i'd read that the touchpad can only have one ext3fs partition Jan 23 23:37:08 * madnificent is considering to buy a touchpad for development and showcasing purposes due to the ubuntu chroot. it's a fast route towards prototyping portable applications. Jan 23 23:37:10 blacks: they co-exist perfectly. I designed them that way. Jan 23 23:37:41 do i have to make a 2nd ext3fs partition? Jan 23 23:37:54 no Jan 23 23:38:12 easier than i'd expected Jan 23 23:38:14 the use separate directories inside a single ext3fs partition Jan 23 23:38:28 you must not be used to Preware then ;) Jan 23 23:38:48 we design things to be easy, and to work with minimal hassle. Jan 23 23:40:15 i'm very new to webos. bought the touchpad, my first palm/webos device Jan 23 23:40:31 all i can say is why do people underestimate the touchpad? Jan 23 23:44:15 especially those who got it firesale Jan 23 23:50:02 hey rwhitby: have a question re: a patch in preware. Jan 23 23:50:11 Specificallly, the Poor Man's Twitter patch Jan 23 23:50:55 it seems to be unmaintained. If I were to pick it up, how hard is it to get it pushed back into preware? Jan 23 23:54:37 EvilBill: all you need to do is submit it at patches.webos-internals.org Jan 23 23:55:00 Awesome. I've been itching for a quick/light hacking project Jan 23 23:55:14 leave the original author's name second in the maintainer field, but put your email address Jan 23 23:55:22 ok Jan 23 23:55:40 if there is a forum thread, post your intent so the original author can see it and potentially respond Jan 23 23:56:06 but in general, patches are MIT specifically so anyone can port them to new OS versions Jan 23 23:57:12 Cool. I'll see if I can do something in a few days. Jan 24 00:06:42 is there an autoconfigure script for debian? Jan 24 00:07:10 or will the same one work Jan 24 00:09:14 wtf. cts.faceboo.js is using 80% of my cpu Jan 24 00:10:03 blacks: no idea Jan 24 00:13:57 which graphical interface should i use for debian Jan 24 00:14:48 whichever one you like Jan 24 00:15:12 i didn't know if the debian port could only handle certain ones Jan 24 00:37:00 i honestly can't figure out how to install xfce Jan 24 00:37:23 blacks, why not use lxde? Jan 24 00:37:48 i'm using lxde on ubuntu and figure i'd try something different on debian Jan 24 00:37:58 also it looks a tad nicer and i'd like to compare Jan 24 00:38:05 blacks: apt-get install xfce doesn't work, i assume? Jan 24 00:38:13 nope Jan 24 00:38:14 ah, your running both distros.. nice Jan 24 00:38:31 blacks: apt-cache search xfce should list all packages with xfce in their name, you should be able to pick it up from there if the name is not xfce Jan 24 00:40:04 i can't see all the listings because i can't scroll Jan 24 00:40:48 | less Jan 24 00:40:54 and apt-cache will search package descs too Jan 24 00:41:11 which is sometimes what I want, and sometimes not... aptitude search xfce should show you that smaller list Jan 24 00:41:17 (or | grep) Jan 24 00:41:21 -n might help too Jan 24 00:41:31 after the cache search Jan 24 00:42:01 I prefer aptitude for the auto-dependency removals and such Jan 24 00:42:13 I pretty much use apt-cache for the faster search and for apt-get soruce Jan 24 00:43:12 aptitude shows too much Jan 24 00:43:36 well how about that Jan 24 00:43:40 apt-get install xfce4 Jan 24 00:43:51 blacks: looks much like the real deal Jan 24 00:47:04 yeah that was it. hopefully utf8 is the right encoder right? Jan 24 01:00:47 * madnificent has no idea what blacks is talking about now Jan 24 01:01:58 doesn't matter. the only issue i have is that i can't change selection in a terminal gui Jan 24 02:10:09 folks Jan 24 02:12:55 hola bhuey Jan 24 02:18:06 hey PatrickC Jan 24 02:19:16 how goes it? Jan 24 02:25:44 hey Jan 24 02:25:50 ok getting over some nasty illness Jan 24 02:38:23 thats never fun **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 24 02:59:57 2012