**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 25 02:59:56 2012 Jan 25 03:00:31 dwc-: its worth it though lotsa webos-internals gets put up on twitter Jan 25 02:59:08 * Compn installs patch in his head to ignore twitter until that site dies Jan 25 03:00:07 hewball... that has nothing to do with the client software... Jan 25 03:00:25 dwc-: heh. yeah Jan 25 03:02:15 dwc-: thats true, still knowing an active dev is here might push a user towards it Jan 25 03:04:01 I agree Jan 25 03:14:02 is Cyanogenmod the best droid port? Jan 25 03:14:09 its that or MIUI Jan 25 03:14:23 and Cyanogenmod seems to be the best (but that chat is more for #cyanogenmod-touchpad :) ) Jan 25 03:15:18 i have been keeping up with progress on WOR Jan 25 03:15:25 they have gone to alpha 0.5 in about a week Jan 25 03:15:44 ? Jan 25 03:15:45 WOR Jan 25 03:15:55 webOSroundup Jan 25 03:16:24 that and webOSnation are the 2 main webOS news sites Jan 25 03:16:43 yea i know webosnation Jan 25 03:16:51 is WOR any good? Jan 25 03:17:56 i write for them, we try and keep up on news. but its all contributor work, and we all have full time jobs (except for me, im in school) so we don't always get all the articles as they happen Jan 25 03:18:09 kool Jan 25 03:18:19 so should i nistall Cyanogenmod 9 then Jan 25 03:18:27 if you want Jan 25 03:18:32 did you Jan 25 03:18:34 haha Jan 25 03:19:20 yes i did Jan 25 03:19:27 k Jan 25 03:19:27 mainly for writing the article :) Jan 25 03:19:46 would you recomend updateing to webos 3.0.4 Jan 25 03:19:49 first Jan 25 03:19:52 im the only one (at first) who was willing to defile their touchpad with Android :) Jan 25 03:19:56 3.0.5 is the newest Jan 25 03:20:16 well should i update to the newest first then install Jan 25 03:20:32 * rwhitby points to the topic regarding discussion of Android in this channel Jan 25 03:20:46 rwhitby, noted Jan 25 03:21:04 Dm430, you should update to webOS 3.0.5, yes. reguardless of android or not Jan 25 03:21:08 * PatrickC ends android talk Jan 25 03:21:10 ok Jan 25 03:21:32 honestly i kinda like webos better Jan 25 03:21:37 but i like both Jan 25 03:21:40 erm. somehow I doubt you were the first one with it patrick ..... Jan 25 03:21:54 at WOR* Jan 25 03:22:18 how long does android take to install ? Jan 25 03:22:20 ballpark Jan 25 03:22:23 i know i wasnt the "first one" but on the WOR team, no one really wanted to install it Jan 25 03:22:29 * rwhitby points again to the topic regarding discussion of Android in this channel Jan 25 03:22:32 lol Jan 25 03:22:35 Compn, as rwhitby said, this really isnt the place for android talk Jan 25 03:22:41 it's not just the android talk either Jan 25 03:22:45 ok ok :( Jan 25 03:22:55 rwhitby : is my edit to optware page ok ? Jan 25 03:23:00 Compn: yes, thanks. Jan 25 03:23:15 and my pre2 decided it didnt want me using it anymore and rebooted... Jan 25 03:23:19 but its actually talk about webos Jan 25 03:23:45 seeing as it installs a dualboot you have both Jan 25 03:24:16 Dm430, #cm-touchpad is a busy enough channel for you to ask this there. Jan 25 03:24:24 note this isn't aplain vanilla webos channel Jan 25 03:24:31 #cyanogen-touchpad I mean Jan 25 03:24:40 #cyanogenmod-touchpad I mean Jan 25 03:24:43 ugh Jan 25 03:24:53 ok pce gtg thanks for the help Jan 25 03:35:14 oh noooooooooo Jan 25 03:35:18 my keyboard arrows are gone Jan 25 03:35:24 and my patches Jan 25 03:35:30 haha Jan 25 03:36:14 keyboard arrows? Jan 25 03:36:16 lol Jan 25 03:36:55 yes, patched keyboard so i can access up/down arrows Jan 25 03:44:02 repatch time! Jan 25 03:46:51 dwc- : that thread says homebrew patches are hosed Jan 25 03:47:50 without updates, some, yes Jan 25 03:48:17 but you don't need to wait for other people to update them Jan 25 03:49:09 i need to get a linux build machine setup Jan 25 03:49:20 couldnt figure cross compiling on windows ;\ Jan 25 03:49:29 Compn, if you dont need linux for daily use, WUBI is nice Jan 25 03:51:31 ah that looks good Jan 25 03:51:35 reminds me of colinux Jan 25 03:51:54 * rwhitby wonders how "delayed by a couple of weeks while we improve the underlying implementation" got turned into "hosed" ... Jan 25 03:52:56 sounds too much like the Diablo III delay Jan 25 03:53:11 though they are delayed by 3-4 months (this time, at least) Jan 25 03:53:33 hosed as in, lost all my patches Jan 25 03:53:40 rwhitby: those that understand dont whinge... Jan 25 03:53:41 not hosed as in, gone forever Jan 25 03:53:48 sorry, my definitions arent the same as yours ;) Jan 25 04:23:07 Compn: for patching, you don't need any build environment at all, really Jan 25 04:37:56 i know Jan 25 05:03:57 So this past few days my Pre3 has been very worst at battery consumption.. My phone was in idle mode and less than 4 hours it greeted me with <20% (will be shutdown). Is there any chance I can right this wrong? Haven't install patch since last week, and all updates was to previous apps I installed (being AgendaZ) the most recent one... Jan 25 05:05:51 I run Govnah and with UberKernel Default run at 1.4 Ghz constantly, a little bit worried since I don't open any cards and cellular service is run on 2G mode with Data disabled, WiFi disabled, Bluetooth disabled, 0 level Brightness Jan 25 05:06:42 check processor utilz with jstop Jan 25 05:07:55 tracked my batt issues down that way... turned out to be a pop account with more than 1500 messages... Jan 25 05:09:47 Willing to learn on how to check that.. is that an apps I need to install, AMR-1? Jan 25 05:10:06 *app Jan 25 05:10:59 * PatrickC wanders in Jan 25 05:11:03 supineru, what kind of app? Jan 25 05:11:08 * PatrickC is reading the backlog Jan 25 05:11:57 rwhitby: not that you don't have enough to do recently, but a while ago I thought of a enhancement req for preware... colored rows in the feeds list (beta diff color than others) and place holders diff color than current. Jan 25 05:12:39 supineru: yep search preware for jstop Jan 25 05:12:43 AMR-1: sounds great. Send me a pull request at https://github.com/webos-internals/preware when it's ready. Jan 25 05:12:49 AMR-1, thats an awesome request Jan 25 05:13:07 * PatrickC wonders how hard it would be to do... Jan 25 05:13:11 Okay Jan 25 05:14:18 :'( AMR's programming skilz = newb. Jan 25 05:14:59 * PatrickC might try and do it Jan 25 05:18:54 if I could I would pull Fahrenheit for govnah Jan 25 05:20:38 man, my pre2 has done 2 random luna crashes tonight.. when hardly in use Jan 25 05:20:47 hmm.. oddly enough it has been when loading preware... Jan 25 05:21:06 you ran out of memory Jan 25 05:21:12 on the pre2? Jan 25 05:21:12 reduce your feed intake Jan 25 05:23:23 So I installed jsTop and on top of the system is SYSTEMUI at 108 nodes and 80 handles Jan 25 05:23:34 Phone on 102 nodes and 41 handles Jan 25 05:23:43 Preware on 49 and 38... Email on 79 and 15 Jan 25 05:23:48 Which culprit do I find? Jan 25 05:24:57 AMR-1, how would you determine what a place holder app is? i dont think they are in a special feed.. Jan 25 05:25:19 PatrickC: have palm-catalog? have to take it out until you need it ... Jan 25 05:26:39 check the Descrip for "This package is not"... Jan 25 05:27:18 hmm, not sure how you would check that.. Jan 25 05:27:33 Manage Feeds on Properties Jan 25 05:27:49 Uncheck Palm Catalog (should you install App Tuckerbox) Jan 25 05:28:24 I don't think those feeds would be there unless you install App Tuckerbox.. anyhow.. AMR-1, what next step should I do with this jsTop? Jan 25 05:28:32 supineru, yep :) but im trying to figure out how to find out what the description of an app is from the package list so i can color the list Jan 25 05:28:42 so that a beta app will be one color, web app another, and so on Jan 25 05:28:48 :O Jan 25 05:33:32 re: jstop check for things in there that have too many nodes or handles - you leave it open and watch for batt draining things - ex e-mail can combine with govnah or batterydr to watch for processor spikes Jan 25 05:34:48 its always fun trying to use others code. though Preware is well commented (from what ive seen) Jan 25 05:37:54 rwhitby, do you need the toolchain to build preware? Jan 25 05:39:03 hey Jan 25 05:40:10 PatrickC: just have to find the line where the icon / descrip is put into the rows... might be tricky to change row color (it is not a attrib of an enyo list) but for the time being we might be able to put a red/yellow/green dot.gif right after the icon.. Jan 25 05:40:10 . Jan 25 05:40:26 it isnt enyo Jan 25 05:40:27 its Mojo Jan 25 05:41:45 PatrickC: yes, for the service Jan 25 05:42:03 needed for standard building? or can i get by without it? Jan 25 05:42:11 row color aint in there either Jan 25 05:42:32 AMR-1, im sure that i can just add a specific class to it with an if/else statement Jan 25 05:42:47 use CSS to change the row color (maybe) Jan 25 05:44:07 Well, it's been only 10 minutes.. My battery went 69% from 88% :O and I have Data Connection set on, although I'm not doing anything, not even browsing a web.. Jan 25 05:44:28 have you tried dr.battery? Jan 25 05:44:30 and what device? Jan 25 05:44:38 Pre3 with Dr. Battery Jan 25 05:45:33 so youve tried to recalibrate the battery? Jan 25 05:45:58 Uhm.. Calibration isn't supported on Pre3 Jan 25 05:46:05 ah, thought it was Jan 25 05:46:07 sorry :/ Jan 25 05:46:34 Yeah.. so I'm wondering how to put off the nasty bug Jan 25 05:46:36 I can read code :-) just dont have up to date skillz in this.thats. ... will go check git and see if I can make an informed recommendation Jan 25 05:46:49 It's been 3 minutes.. and it's been 65% ~_~ Jan 25 05:47:27 AMR-1, i dont think ill be able to do it (seems to be more then a few quick edits) and most of my coding time is spend on Project Macaw Jan 25 05:47:46 if you need help, give me a ping (not sure how much help i'll be though :) ) Jan 25 05:47:55 i know enough JS to get by.. lol Jan 25 05:49:08 I assume SystemUI is mandatory? thus drawing 80 handles to knitting the system? Jan 25 05:50:13 supineru: you happen to have a pop email configed? Jan 25 05:50:24 No pop mail for me AMR-1 Jan 25 05:50:28 Only Google and Yahoo Jan 25 05:53:19 gps disabled? Jan 25 05:56:29 the only other thing besides a massive email account I have seen suck up processor and batt is the media indexer with a corrupt file/massive amount of files (like from mapingtool) Jan 25 05:56:58 just do a "top" and see what it is Jan 25 05:58:18 GPS disable.. Media Indexer? Jan 25 06:00:27 loves autocorrect on/off kbd switch and arrowkeys keyboard Jan 25 06:02:09 AMR-1, where did you find this kb? Jan 25 06:03:01 Do a "top"? How do you do a "top"? Jan 25 06:06:33 supineru, type: top into a console window? Jan 25 06:08:18 folks Jan 25 06:10:13 supineru: have you checked precentral {err ahh webosnation} forums yet? Jan 25 06:10:33 hey bhuey Jan 25 06:12:46 patrickc: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-touchpad-homebrew/297295-virtual-keyboard-layouts-patches-arrow-keys.html Jan 25 06:17:41 AMR-1, ill have to look at that, it looks nice :) Jan 25 06:20:33 PatrickC: ok shootin in the dark here but possibly? all we need to do is add a color style variable to this line
#{-displayTitle}
in preware / app / views / pkg-list / rowTemplate.html Jan 25 06:21:40 yeah Jan 25 06:21:48 but first we have to be able to find the category name Jan 25 06:23:47 checking something out Jan 25 06:29:30 just guessin... but would we set the color variable in here preware / app / assistants / pkg-list-assistant.js Jan 25 06:29:46 we first have to see if setting the color works in the CSS Jan 25 06:29:48 testing that out how Jan 25 06:29:51 now* Jan 25 06:30:09 doesnt seem to Jan 25 06:37:12 Compn, are you "Compvir" from webOSnation? Jan 25 06:39:09 Compn, nvm Jan 25 06:39:12 night all Jan 25 06:40:56 checking my understanding... so you added style="color: lightgreen;" to see if all the rows changed color? Jan 25 07:18:42 Sorry.. kinda newbie in advance techie, but will learn.. This console window you mentioned run in Xecutah? Jan 25 07:25:07 So I run into Xterm.. and find out 62.2% use by tacts.linker.js Jan 25 07:40:52 that sounds related to the contacts services Jan 25 07:46:02 Can you give me suggestion dwc-? Jan 25 07:51:52 for? Jan 25 07:53:15 Uhm.. ._. Jan 25 07:53:43 [12:27] So this past few days my Pre3 has been very worst at battery consumption.. My phone was in idle mode and less than 4 hours it greeted me with <20% (will be shutdown). Is there any chance I can right this wrong? Haven't install patch since last week, and all updates was to previous apps I installed (being AgendaZ) the most recent one... Jan 25 07:53:49 [12:29] I run Govnah and with UberKernel Default run at 1.4 Ghz constantly, a little bit worried since I don't open any cards and cellular service is run on 2G mode with Data disabled, WiFi disabled, Bluetooth disabled, 0 level Brightness Jan 25 07:54:50 I've search the forum.. there's only 1 thread about this tacts.linker.js and I don't really find solution :/ now battery is around 31% from 40% in just 10 minutes.. with Data Connection on and everything else off, including no card Jan 25 07:55:12 well, if it's at 1.4ghz all the time and top says tacts.linker.js is chewing CPU, that would do it Jan 25 07:55:19 s/would/might/ Jan 25 07:55:50 What should I do with it? I mean, how to erase/whatever this tacts.linker.js? Jan 25 08:02:00 ._. sighs... I guess everyone is sleeping Jan 25 08:06:57 not sure exactly what it does. The name suggests a possibility of maintaining links between accounts in contacts. might be syncing something. look for the file on the filesystem and take a peek is what I'd do Jan 25 08:11:52 Look for the file on the filesystem... Would you enlighten me where to find those? Jan 25 08:12:19 I'm not sure... I'd probably use grep or find to look around Jan 25 08:18:00 Oh I see... more technical +_+ Jan 25 08:34:53 Uhmm.. somehow it eliminates the problem.. Jan 25 09:36:52 supineru: remove all your acccounts - that will stop the contacts linker Jan 25 09:37:06 add things back one at a time, giving them time to fully link. reboot between adding accounts and make sure the contacts linker is idle before adding the next account Jan 25 10:05:05 So, I know this isn't the place for Android-y questions, but I'm trying to non-destructively get rid of all the Android sauce on my Tpad. I cleaned up the lvs it made and re-extended the media lv, but I cannot figure out how to extend the filesystem to fill the space. Anyone have some guidance for me on that? Jan 25 10:05:42 did you use Tailor ? Jan 25 10:06:01 I did Jan 25 10:06:19 then it would have extended the filesystem when you extended the media partition Jan 25 10:06:20 Well, to remove the lvs at least Jan 25 10:06:48 make sure you backup first, just in case, since it is still in beta. Jan 25 10:07:53 Well, I guess I misrepresented. I used Tailor to remove all the lvs but I didn't see an extend option Jan 25 10:08:11 So I opened a novaterm and extended the lv from the cli Jan 25 10:08:27 Which was apparently the wrong thing to do Jan 25 10:08:54 do it all in Tailor Jan 25 10:10:05 Where is the extend option in tailor? Jan 25 10:10:35 resize partition Jan 25 10:10:39 I pulled the extra extends back off the lv so Tailor is showing me 2056MiB of free Unused space Jan 25 10:11:00 extents that is Jan 25 10:11:10 I assume I need to unmount first Jan 25 10:12:12 Since it's the only option I have, that is :D Jan 25 10:12:36 So with it unmounted, I click the "USB (media)" partition Jan 25 10:12:53 And then under activity the dropdown has Mount, Check, Corrupt and Delete Jan 25 10:13:16 Should there be a resize in there? Jan 25 10:13:30 you need to check it before you can resize it, otherwise it doesn't know how big the filesystem is compared to the partition Jan 25 10:13:51 aahh, I was interpreting check as fsck Jan 25 10:13:56 it should have come up on check automatically Jan 25 10:14:05 it is an fsck Jan 25 10:14:09 hey Jan 25 10:14:14 It did, I just didn't think I needed to do a fsck Jan 25 10:14:16 you have to have a clean filesystem to be able to resize it Jan 25 10:14:27 That's fair, just wasn't obvious to me Jan 25 10:14:42 you diverted from the sequence it was leading you through Jan 25 10:16:19 That would've been clearer to me if the check filesystem was modal, as it was I had options so I assumed they were the only ones available Jan 25 10:16:19 Your penance is to write the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Tailor documentation page based on what you now know Jan 25 10:16:50 Ha, awesome :D Jan 25 10:17:15 let me know your wiki username and I'll get you edit privs Jan 25 10:17:52 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:AppTuckerbox is a good page to use as an example Jan 25 10:18:53 It's elfurbe also Jan 25 10:21:18 done Jan 25 10:28:45 Excellent Jan 25 10:33:57 Better than it was, I'll expand later: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Tailor Jan 25 10:34:17 Also added to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:webOS_Applications_Utilities Jan 25 10:39:07 jjjjjjj~. Jan 25 10:39:16 bah Jan 25 11:01:21 Ok, better than better than nothing: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Tailor Jan 25 11:01:26 Now I'm going to sleep Jan 25 11:01:31 Thanks for the help! Jan 25 17:31:11 PuffTheMagic, how extractable is your vkb stuff in wterm? Jan 25 17:53:55 cryptk: speaking of that cluster, it seems awfully slow at the moment Jan 25 18:14:23 RagingMind, are you talking about for adding it to a different application? or for hacking it into webOS core? Jan 25 18:45:44 I made the Twitter feed :D Jan 25 19:43:47 rwhitby: given the timeframe announcement, and PuffTheMagic's Evo3D PoC, what's needed for porting to other devices? Jan 25 19:44:10 summatusmentis, luna source Jan 25 19:44:25 is that all? Jan 25 19:44:50 Graphics extensions EGL Jan 25 19:44:55 USB extensions Jan 25 19:45:05 System manager (“Luna”) Jan 25 19:45:05 System manager bus Jan 25 19:45:17 just a guess, but those are all likely needed Jan 25 19:45:26 interesting Jan 25 19:45:31 and to port it legally, technically all of it Jan 25 19:45:32 so probably July-ish Jan 25 19:45:40 yeah yeah Jan 25 20:00:19 drop Jan 25 20:00:25 whoa Jan 25 20:05:28 bhuey, that is 20 minutes old... that's like a decade in internet time Jan 25 20:05:34 lol Jan 25 20:11:46 hi, does someone know how to insert cmdline arguments to the palm pre kenrel when using bootr? Jan 25 20:21:20 summatusmentis, there is a timeframe announcement? I can't find it Jan 25 20:21:37 GNUtoo: lemme find the press release again Jan 25 20:21:50 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2012/120125a.html Jan 25 20:21:58 yeah, that Jan 25 20:21:59 * cryptk is supa fast Jan 25 20:22:02 ok Jan 25 21:08:39 on the ubuntu chroot (or debian chroot for that matter), is there multi-touch support? html5 has support for it and i wonder if we'd be able to try it out on a chrooted touchpad Jan 25 21:10:53 the chroot is not html5, at all Jan 25 21:11:03 it's all arm binaires Jan 25 21:13:03 summatusmentis: yeah but that doesn't contain an answer in it :) Jan 25 21:13:14 rwhitby, timeframe announcement? Jan 25 21:13:17 err Jan 25 21:13:19 ^^ summatusmentis Jan 25 21:13:23 html5 has support for it, but the kernel/x11 still need to pass the signals :) Jan 25 21:13:37 madnificent: right Jan 25 21:13:43 PuffTheMagic: http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2012/120125a.html Jan 25 21:13:59 madnificent: that I don't know, I thought you were asking a different question Jan 25 21:14:03 i wanted to stress that i didn't want someone to try pinch-to-zoom on the desktop and then say "this doesn't work", but i struck a different answer Jan 25 21:14:53 madnificent: the x11 server creates a fake cursor that doesn't support multitouch atm, nor do i know if that's something that could be reasonably done Jan 25 21:15:00 summatusmentis, we cant do shit really till we get Luna and the core stuff like hidd Jan 25 21:15:08 dtzWill: :( Jan 25 21:15:15 so i would say, end of summer usable ports Jan 25 21:15:29 would be a semi-conservative estimate Jan 25 21:15:35 given they stick to their schedule Jan 25 21:16:01 PuffTheMagic: which they've never done (but somehow, i actually expect them to try really really hard and perhaps succeed this time) Jan 25 21:16:05 (maybe we just need to hook up to the right things, i honestly don't know) Jan 25 21:16:35 well, we definately need hidd to get input on foreign devices to work Jan 25 21:17:04 kernel shit and graphics we can steal from the target device Jan 25 21:17:08 dtzWill: if that was to me: i don't know. i don't know if x11 has decent support for multitouch either. i know it can handle multiple pointer devices and that it is possible to make them emit different cursors on the screen, but i have no idea how simple/hard it is to get those things running. Jan 25 21:17:12 which leaves Luna Jan 25 21:18:16 PuffTheMagic: right, ok, that's sort of what I guessed, but I wasn't sure Jan 25 21:18:22 what are those kde multitouch demos using? wayland? Jan 25 21:26:33 wayland on arm? I thought that was like YEARS down their roadmap. Jan 25 21:27:23 * dwc- is momentarily confused, then realizes he's thinking of copeland Jan 25 21:32:25 cryptk and PuffTheMagic, I was playing with scummvm and thought how nice it would be to have the F keys and escape Jan 25 21:32:44 well, a full keyboard in general Jan 25 21:36:24 dtzWill, didn't they *just* merge the multi-pointer x stuff into x.org? Jan 25 21:37:28 RagingMind: sounds like you follow that more closely than i do :D. which isn't saying much Jan 25 21:38:06 RagingMind: last time i checked (which might be a good while ago) the only multi-pointer X was something that simulated multiple pointers by tracking different cursors Jan 25 21:38:16 and then changing cursor color to identify which was active Jan 25 21:38:23 and jumping the single cursor around super fast Jan 25 21:38:26 lol Jan 25 21:38:26 madnificent, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAzMjQ Jan 25 21:39:11 in open source does a month ago count as "just happened" ? Jan 25 21:39:26 dtzWill, I just read phoronix :) Jan 25 21:40:23 RagingMind: which means that the newest (unreleased) ubuntu or debian version will have to be used to have it in the future. and then still, the virtual cursor will need to support it... it's a tad sad as i think the touchpad could be the ultimate developer tablet: both for webos and for non-webos platforms Jan 25 21:43:18 RagingMind, in Open Source 5 minutes ago does.... Jan 25 21:44:16 or when you hear: "I just pushed a change, pull and try again" Jan 25 21:45:06 madnificent, not quite... the ubuntu/debian chroot doesn't provide the xserver Jan 25 21:45:18 oh right Jan 25 21:45:55 yes you'd probably need as-yet unreleased versions of the distros for the apps inside to be compiled with multi-touch and the toolkits in them to support multitouch Jan 25 21:46:17 but the xserver is a webOS PDK/SDL app Jan 25 21:47:37 one that we owe a lot of thanks to dtzWill for Jan 25 21:55:37 dtzWill: thanks! Jan 25 21:56:02 madnificent: welcome :) Jan 25 21:56:13 https://github.com/hpwebos has disappeared Jan 25 21:56:51 I guess they want folks to focus on https://github.com/enyojs Jan 25 21:57:49 * linuxjacques yawns. Jan 25 22:24:36 rwhitby, is it possible that github wasn't official? Jan 25 22:25:00 quite possible Jan 25 22:25:20 or maybe just a placeholder to reserve the nam Jan 25 22:25:21 e Jan 25 22:26:43 or maybe a not-very-funny joke Jan 25 22:35:46 Woot Jan 25 22:38:01 linuxjacques: yeah the webos github where they posted the press release and "bugs: press release does not compile"? yeah, some jokers Jan 25 23:17:08 what a way to wakeup to Australia day :D Jan 25 23:26:35 hewball: yeah, pity it was 6am :) Jan 25 23:29:39 mainline kernel is good news :D Jan 25 23:30:05 Hewball what? Jan 25 23:30:24 did a webOS device make it to mainline? Jan 25 23:30:49 no HP said they are moving to mainline kernel for webos Jan 25 23:30:59 even better Jan 25 23:31:44 =) Jan 25 23:32:53 At this rate ill never get my touchpad Jan 25 23:43:11 I predict major net split soon... Jan 25 23:47:04 there she go's **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 25 23:56:08 2012 Jan 25 23:59:45 sastry: it's hidden on the forum thread Jan 26 00:00:48 the first post on that is out of date now I think, it's no longer the "make yourself known" Jan 26 00:01:06 iirc it's somewhere around page 10 Jan 26 00:04:12 dwc: Thanks, I'll look for it. Jan 26 00:12:27 * rwhitby updates first post in that thread Jan 26 00:32:31 http://pastie.org/private/razfvtxyotrf8rq13ebpzg widk does _not_ like me... Jan 26 00:57:10 have you installed all the dependencies? Jan 26 01:01:53 yup Jan 26 01:07:07 So is it still recommended that one remove all patches before the OTA update? I've been putting it off for a while but the icon in my tray is starting to make me crazy, so it's time to pull the trigger :D Jan 26 01:07:26 although there is the possibility that the base os is missing something not on the dependency list... Jan 26 01:07:45 32-bit libs installed? Jan 26 01:25:15 hmmm they're calling the first OSS fork of webos Open webOS 1.0? Jan 26 01:26:44 and the news articles are saying September Jan 26 01:30:20 sup ya Jan 26 01:30:30 destinal: yup Jan 26 01:30:31 rwhitby: indeed Jan 26 01:30:45 gonna take a while to get a full OS into Open Source compliance Jan 26 01:31:07 love the roadmap, but they need to hit the first few milestones for people to really believe Jan 26 01:31:55 elfurbe: If the patches came from the preware feeds, no need to swipe them for OTA update Jan 26 01:32:01 bnceo: the real struggle is going to be staying relevant until then Jan 26 01:32:19 they aren't now in the marketplace anyways, so no real downfall Jan 26 01:32:43 right now till who knows, next year, webOS is just for people like us in the channel and in various other joints like android forums Jan 26 01:32:45 bnceo:{ what roadmap Jan 26 01:32:46 bnceo: sure but we have people migrating away who might stay if they could download webos for their devices Jan 26 01:33:06 and maybe they'll come back eventually, who knows Jan 26 01:33:13 just going to be challenging Jan 26 01:33:15 can't do nothing about them. I say let them take their time in doing it right Jan 26 01:33:15 hey destinal Jan 26 01:33:29 chandoo: webosnation.com look at the articles Jan 26 01:33:35 they have a roadmap on releases Jan 26 01:34:36 bnceo: well, improvements I'm reading about sound good at least, I'll give them that Jan 26 01:34:46 PatrickC: hey Jan 26 01:36:02 yeah destinal: there is no market craving for stuff now. This is when we see the true talent of the dev team shine Jan 26 01:36:22 bnceo: looks like we'll have some interesting bits over the next few months anyhow, I hadn't read the roadmap Jan 26 01:36:25 They got their mission. Time to execute. And knowing a few of them, they are passionate about this project Jan 26 01:36:30 bnceo:{ looks more on phones. Jan 26 01:36:59 i installed android on touchpad, to be frank i didn't like much like webos Jan 26 01:37:23 i feel webos is more streamlined Jan 26 01:38:12 diff strokes for diff folks Jan 26 01:38:28 I have a really current Android phone and I still retreat to my Pre3 Jan 26 01:38:48 my GS2 Skyrocket is a playtoy that I use to DL free Amazon apps every day Jan 26 01:39:11 Waiting for a good ICS ROM for it. Will be a couple of months Jan 26 01:39:50 i really want to see apps and development on webos will take off with full potential Jan 26 01:40:16 android is only good in apps count not in user experience Jan 26 01:40:30 chandoo: when anyone can just start using webos on their currently android devices, things should change a bit Jan 26 01:40:56 once webos and Enyo is made open source it is matter of time to see webos in full potential Jan 26 01:41:01 even after we get all of OWO it'll take a bit of work to get to that point but it'll be possible Jan 26 01:41:06 Oh ya. To have webOS on that raw power and specs will be sweet Jan 26 01:41:58 bnceo: plus think of all the things we can add that weren't priorities for HP/palm and were stuck in binary blobs Jan 26 01:42:16 destinal:{ you are right, in no time developers will port webos to all android devices, all should have that choice Jan 26 01:42:37 destinal: that's the thing right there that gets me excited Jan 26 01:42:53 And knowing we have really REALLY good people doing work in these channels, I have full faith Jan 26 01:43:18 yes Jan 26 01:44:06 once the source is in hands of curious/enthusiastic developers you will see miracles our of webos Jan 26 01:45:12 anyways, how's everyone's day today? Jan 26 01:47:06 i am not a developer, i configured and installed novacom and webos sdk in my system hoping to start connecting external Bluetooth devices to touchpad, i installed one app, some sort of free app made for pre phone, but it is really not sharing gps data among applications Jan 26 01:47:25 If my pad would stop pulsing the HP logo and boot after the OTA mine would be going better :D Jan 26 01:49:18 my other goals are to compile opensource apps like openssh, putty and other software for touchpad to improve my learning curve Jan 26 01:50:06 why compile? as a learning experience? Jan 26 01:50:17 big ambitions, teaching my self slowly Jan 26 01:50:23 because they already exist in preware as binaries Jan 26 01:50:30 ok, I think that's valid, just letting you know Jan 26 01:50:35 summatusmentis:{ do you have any other better suggestions Jan 26 01:51:00 if you want to do it for the learning, don't let me stop you Jan 26 01:51:04 it'll be good experience Jan 26 01:51:13 but if you want it for the purpose of having it, you don't need to compile Jan 26 01:51:17 that was my only point Jan 26 01:51:54 summatusmentis:{ they need some configuration to work, what i am trying to acheieve is something like what ppl do on iphone install openssh and start using it by setting password Jan 26 01:52:15 learning purpose Jan 26 01:52:21 chandoo: then go for it Jan 26 01:52:50 summatusmentis:{ these are my own thoughts, i dont know if there are better ways to learn things quickly Jan 26 01:54:37 okay good night guyz, see u tomorrow. Jan 26 01:55:12 bnceo: yeah looking at this I think we'll be able to do a _lot_ in march Jan 26 01:55:40 if the bullet points they mention include the things I think they include Jan 26 01:57:06 ya. I think the key is to meet those deadlines to really prove to us they set a realistic course Jan 26 01:58:45 bnceo: and if those pieces are made open source at that time we'll really be able to get started with porting way before september, we can work on kernel and device level stuff using the current Luna binaries etc Jan 26 01:59:00 even if we can't necessarily redistribute the whole pacjkage Jan 26 01:59:28 I feel like redistribution can be taken care of using meta-doc Jan 26 01:59:41 summatusmentis: love that thinking Jan 26 02:00:04 summatusmentis: yeah something like metadoctor would be a great way to mash up open and closed bits on the user's machine (up to them to make sure they comply with license though) Jan 26 02:00:09 ya. I'm sure we will see examples of porting by summer. More like alphas, probably some good alphas too Jan 26 02:00:29 a "good alpha" is pretty much all I care about Jan 26 02:02:01 So, after my update, there's one patch that's gumming up my works, Mojo Smooth Scrolling. I can't update it, I can't uninstall it and I can't find the ipkg log on the system to see why that is :D Jan 26 02:02:19 ugh. hate when one of those does that Jan 26 02:02:38 it's a big reason why I just doctor to the latest version. And since everything is backed up. easy Jan 26 02:05:11 Oh, it's not one patch, it's several Jan 26 02:05:30 Oy vey Jan 26 02:08:57 Well, if I run the prerm command by hand for one of them, I get the same thing. Man, I could just, like, FEEL that I was gonna have to doctor this thing soon. After all the partition madness last night and everything. I'm about to burn out on rebuilding my devices. Jan 26 02:28:03 infobot: epr? Jan 26 02:28:04 epr is, like, Emergency Patch Recovery, which will remove installed patches. Jan 26 02:28:34 elfurbe: see above Jan 26 02:28:35 Yeah, I guess I could see if it will bulk remove them all Jan 26 02:28:40 I see it I see it :D Jan 26 02:28:59 if you know about prerm Jan 26 02:29:07 go see how epr works Jan 26 02:29:20 and you can applybthat mwthodology at will Jan 26 02:29:33 you shouldn't have much problem with it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 02:59:57 2012