**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 02:59:57 2012 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 03:37:48 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 03:55:12 2012 Jan 26 05:59:00 is nobody doing cool things anymore, or do they just not talk about it here anymore? Jan 26 06:07:12 first rule about cool things is dont talk about cool things Jan 26 06:07:12 :) Jan 26 06:31:09 heh Jan 26 06:31:21 really...its okay Jan 26 06:43:22 well, i can say i havent done anything cool :P Jan 26 06:49:14 PatrickC: I hereby give you permission to talk about cool things (if you even know of any) :P Jan 26 06:58:56 i have an interesting topic. how david peroutka (aka Hexage Games) is a giant, parasitic scumbag Jan 26 06:59:19 TheNocturnalist: ah, but alas, off topic Jan 26 06:59:26 damn! Jan 26 06:59:32 i can never win Jan 26 06:59:36 :) Jan 26 07:00:04 there are awful people in the world, somehow I'm not surprised Jan 26 07:00:05 (although i stand by what i said about david peroutka) Jan 26 07:01:37 so, apache license, huh? Jan 26 07:01:43 apparently Jan 26 07:02:04 for Enyo at least Jan 26 07:02:08 I read somewhere saying that they were going to use APL as much as possible, but I'm not sure that was officially stated anywhere Jan 26 07:02:18 i knew GPL was unlikely, but i was fearing something worse than APL Jan 26 07:02:45 well some of their stuff is based on GPL / LGPL stuff and has to be GPL or compatible. I forget whether APL is always GPL compatible Jan 26 07:03:11 yea... all in all, i think the APL could be a very positive thing Jan 26 07:03:16 in this case Jan 26 07:03:30 for all HP / palm original stuff they could use APL for all of it and it wouldn't be too surprising Jan 26 07:04:04 but I think GPL encourages people to contribute back modded versions Jan 26 07:04:18 since it's at the object file level not the source file level Jan 26 07:04:20 yea Jan 26 07:06:01 destinal: I didn't quite follow that Jan 26 07:08:01 summatusmentis: from what I remember of the apache license, if two files foo.c and bar.c make foobar.o make elf binary foobar and you want to distribute a modified version, you can add a third file baz.c and distribute foobarbaz binary without distributing the contents of your third source file with the added functionality Jan 26 07:08:32 oh, interesting Jan 26 07:08:39 but GPL refers to all files linked it, etc. Jan 26 07:08:41 got it Jan 26 07:08:43 right Jan 26 07:10:01 now if you change either foo or bar then you have to distribute those changed files along with binary Jan 26 07:10:41 hmm maybe this is all MPL I'm remembering Jan 26 07:11:07 i dunno, i think what your saying is on the right track Jan 26 07:11:22 APL is certainly less "restrictive" that way Jan 26 07:15:49 ah so yeah MPL is the file level one Jan 26 07:16:22 is MPL the MIT one? Jan 26 07:16:32 ach Jan 26 07:16:38 MPL is Mozilla Jan 26 07:16:41 mozilla, nvm Jan 26 07:16:42 looks like APL is a lot more permissive yeah Jan 26 07:17:20 i have thought of APL as being something along the lines of BSD licensing... Jan 26 07:17:28 that may not be accurate, though Jan 26 07:17:44 TheNocturnalist: yeah similar to Jan 26 07:18:07 it's not copyleft, in that it doesn't require source be provided when you distribue a binary Jan 26 07:18:13 but attribution etc has to be intact Jan 26 08:11:44 morning Jan 26 08:12:28 swisstomcat: morning Jan 26 08:12:44 hey Jan 26 08:34:14 morning Jan 26 10:03:14 Hello There! Jan 26 10:03:54 hey Jan 26 10:04:13 i have an urgent business proposal… Jan 26 10:04:14 ;) Jan 26 10:04:40 well, actually i do have... Jan 26 10:05:04 i want to donate my old pre- to the developers… if they can use it. Jan 26 10:05:36 and i thougt this might be the right place to find someone... Jan 26 10:06:16 beezle-bug: yes this would be the right place Jan 26 10:06:26 it has a crack in the touch-layer so i cant sell it for any reasonable price. Jan 26 10:06:33 but its fully functional Jan 26 10:07:04 cool Jan 26 10:07:07 what's your location? Jan 26 10:07:10 germany Jan 26 10:07:34 i can use twitter to maybe find someone Jan 26 10:10:03 sure… i just want to make sure that im shipping it to a dev… not someone grabbing a nice phone for free ;) Jan 26 10:10:25 yeah Jan 26 10:13:54 i have to work now.. but ill stay around. Jan 26 10:14:00 give me a ping Jan 26 10:14:03 or ill do Jan 26 10:14:04 :) Jan 26 10:15:27 oh.. i could ship international.. not that expensive. :) Jan 26 10:19:34 beezle-bug: would depend on what kind of project a webos internals dev might use it for. I'd be likely to mount it to an rc car body and have it be a automated vehicle or a quadcopter and have it fly around, or take out the comm board and hook it to some new webos-running frankenstein ARM board, but that presumes I would actually have the time. too many projects on my plate currently Jan 26 10:20:54 beezle-bug: without a touch screen it definitely can still be an interesting little ARM device.. we never have cobbled together a reasonable video out on these things... Jan 26 10:20:59 id rather donate it to science, not to the fun… do know what i mean? Jan 26 10:21:07 :P Jan 26 10:21:17 yea… arm with webos would be nice Jan 26 10:22:00 beezle-bug: well I've run webos on some other ARM based boards just not gotten it fully working yet, we need to figure out the input subsystem (or wait until we get source code for it soon) Jan 26 10:23:29 make it running on a raspberry pi with a magic trackpad… ;D Jan 26 10:24:59 beezle-bug: yeah I'm looking at raspberry pi, but more interested in allwinner A10 processors (EOMA68 is a new form factor for a computer on card and they're supposedly going to sell some soon for ~$20 each, 1.5ghz computer on card with a gig of ram) Jan 26 10:25:10 way way more powerful than ras pi Jan 26 10:25:59 the science/fun issue: i want it to be something good for the community. hooking it on a leicopter is fun and everything… but when it comes to community-support its not the real thing. Jan 26 10:27:18 beezle-bug: to be honest I doubt you'll find much use for it that way, most devs have one and one with a dead touchscreen is less useful for developing and testing apps on Jan 26 10:27:36 but there are still good uses Jan 26 10:27:41 no no.. its fully functional Jan 26 10:27:54 beezle-bug: ahhh I must have misread, sorry Jan 26 10:28:07 just has a crack in the touch-layer. but it still works Jan 26 10:28:28 beezle-bug: in that case yeah someone who's developing and testing stuff and need a dev unit can benefit Jan 26 10:29:04 :) Jan 26 10:29:31 ~230am though here, must sleep Jan 26 10:29:40 night all Jan 26 10:29:42 good night! Jan 26 12:28:13 hi, is kexec supposed to work on webos palm pre kernel? Jan 26 14:14:39 =) @samgreenblatt Jan 26 15:17:57 hi Jan 26 15:18:27 any developers around, i am compiling openssh for learning purpose, i need help Jan 26 15:19:52 what os are you trying to compile on ? Jan 26 15:20:00 or are you on the touchpad ? Jan 26 15:26:47 Compn:{ i am on linux desktop Jan 26 15:27:12 fedora16 Jan 26 15:27:39 i had setup the arm compiler, palm sdk and novacom drivers Jan 26 15:27:56 i am following this link http://newbrightidea.com/2011/08/26/hacking-the-touchpad-part-1/ Jan 26 15:28:44 i am struck at compiling part, how to tell make to use arm commands Jan 26 15:29:25 if i run make, i think it simply uses x86 compiler Jan 26 15:30:04 i have arm compilers in path and starts with "arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc" Jan 26 15:30:14 this is where i got struck Jan 26 15:30:22 Compn:{ Jan 26 16:22:44 chandoo, that's easy Jan 26 16:22:49 chandoo, read the Makefile Jan 26 16:23:12 the Makefile should have ways to pass it CC or CROSS_COMPILE or something like that Jan 26 16:24:25 thanks GNUtoo i figured it out Jan 26 16:24:48 ok Jan 26 16:52:13 hi,can anyone help me? Jan 26 16:52:49 I can't use xecutah,I need help. Jan 26 17:18:09 zaur: why not? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 17:46:57 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 17:48:19 2012 Jan 26 20:37:57 hi any help on openssh corss compiling Jan 26 20:38:20 having some errors with ./configure of openssh Jan 26 20:38:24 ld: skipping incompatible /home/chandra/Downloads/touchpad/openssh/zlib-1.2.5/libz.a when searching for -lz Jan 26 20:38:34 ld: skipping incompatible /home/chandra/Downloads/touchpad/openssh/zlib-1.2.5/libz.so when searching for -lz Jan 26 21:13:19 chandoo: both zlib and openssh are in Preware, and the build scripts for them are in the public git repositories Jan 26 21:14:08 can you provide me the git url Jan 26 21:14:14 git.webos-internals.org Jan 26 21:14:45 I presume you're already following http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_Apps_and_Kernels Jan 26 21:16:24 chandoo: BTW, I'm not sure why you're following http://newbrightidea.com/2011/08/26/hacking-the-touchpad-part-1/, as everything in that post has already been done elsewhere and is fully documented. If you're following that post then you're going to have a lot of issues that no-one here will be willing or able to help you with. Jan 26 21:16:51 (by fully documented, I mean source code for building is publicly available) Jan 26 21:18:52 rwhitby:{ i am learning on how to cross_compile for arm, i found that link and following it, nothing specific Jan 26 21:19:13 so learn from existing build scripts that are known to work. Jan 26 21:19:31 yeh sure, thanks for link Jan 26 21:20:40 so then what the cross compiling i had setup is also wrong based on that link, right Jan 26 21:20:51 so then what the cross compiling environment i had setup is also wrong based on that link, right Jan 26 21:21:54 I don't know what your cross compiling environment is. I only deal is build environments that are automatically set up with a script or Makefile. I never trust (or bother to use or debug) something someone has set up manually or compiled themselves without a script. Jan 26 21:22:48 hi there webos-internals, the idea of using save/restore to port my preware blacklist from my pre to the touchpad ended in having the 2.2.4 feeds on my touchpad. all attempts to add 3.0.5 feeds manually revert back to 2.2.4. Any idea how to solve this exe Jan 26 21:22:48 pt reinstall preware? Jan 26 21:23:13 swipe to delete the 2.2.4 feeds? Jan 26 21:23:26 already done Jan 26 21:23:29 or just reboot, and preware will replace the 2.2.4 with 3.0.5 Jan 26 21:23:38 aah Jan 26 21:23:46 thats easy Jan 26 21:24:32 great. and i didnt thought of rebooting. sorry for this Jan 26 21:25:31 Proximity_: well, the Preware entry in Save/Restore specifically says that a Device Reboot is required after restore ... Jan 26 21:29:15 ooh. yes it does say so. normally it is my line to say RTFM to others, but sometimes it happens to me too. Thanks alot and sorry for not reading Jan 26 21:29:50 bye --> reboot Jan 26 22:31:31 sup ya Jan 26 22:31:41 hey bnceo Jan 26 22:32:14 yo yo Jan 26 22:32:19 good times around these parts lately Jan 26 22:32:24 yep Jan 26 22:32:31 PatrickC:{ i am following this link http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK in setting the cross-compile tools environment Jan 26 22:32:34 im actually packaging up an enyo windows app :) Jan 26 22:32:44 from "Start setup" Jan 26 22:32:48 chandoo, i have no experience cross-compiling, sorry :/ Jan 26 22:32:56 okay Jan 26 22:33:18 OOoooo. which app? Jan 26 22:33:32 Its called Your Radio (just packaging it up for pure testing) Jan 26 22:33:41 no where near done (not sure if itll ever be :) ) Jan 26 22:40:47 am I crazy to be testing the latest linphone on the webosinternal git with a metadoctored preplus? If it's being developed for the touchpad/webos3 devices I understand. I just don't want to pull my hair out trying to debug issues that are over my head if its being developed for other devices/newer version of webos Jan 26 22:41:17 sammy: sounds like you're doing the right thing Jan 26 22:41:25 sammy: it's actually not being developed by anyone for anything at the moment. the original author hasn't been heard from for months Jan 26 22:41:26 no Jan 26 22:43:13 interesting Jan 26 22:46:25 I fudged an ipk from a Makefile I found in the alpha directories that seems to actually complete registration... sometimes. but I might be able to play with it more and get some useful debugging info. well its good to know, at least, that I'm on my own :D maybe I'll clone the stuff currently in the webosinternals git and see what I can do. its a good starting point for a solid webos sipphone (with the help of the audioswitch app) Jan 26 22:49:41 sammy: awesome Jan 26 22:56:21 sammy: keep in touch - you're welcome to be the new official webOS linphone maintainer ;) Jan 26 23:09:10 uh oh.. my pre2 doesnt want to boot...:/ Jan 26 23:09:23 havent done any modding since last reboot (and the last time i rebooted it was fine) Jan 26 23:17:51 PatrickC: does it show up as a USB device when you plug it in? Jan 26 23:18:04 wasnt plugged into the computer Jan 26 23:18:09 was plugged into the wall Jan 26 23:18:15 it was really hot, im gonna let it cool down Jan 26 23:44:09 destinal, nope. the desktop doesnt see it as a USB drive (its cooled down now so i tried to power it up) Jan 26 23:44:20 it has been booting for well over 5-6 minutes and not in luna yet Jan 26 23:44:49 no novaterm access either (time to memboot Jan 26 23:44:50 ) Jan 26 23:48:37 and memboot seems to have failed.. Jan 26 23:49:02 * PatrickC really doesnt want to doctor.... Jan 27 00:04:28 hi Jan 27 00:04:30 PatrickC: do you have a linux box -- you can watch dmesg or lsusb for the OMAP3 usb device? Jan 27 00:04:45 i installed openssh and followed the note in generating keys Jan 27 00:04:46 i have a linux box Jan 27 00:05:00 im guessing it would be benificial to switch to it? :) Jan 27 00:05:03 destinal: if that doesn't show up as an enumerated device, it's basically all over Jan 27 00:05:05 give me a second so i can reboot Jan 27 00:05:06 do i need to copy .pub or id_rsa file to pc? Jan 27 00:05:15 destinal, uh oh Jan 27 00:05:29 i did hear windows ding when i plugged in after like 5 times though... that good? Jan 27 00:05:31 PatrickC: you can see with linux whether it's talking at all over usb though Jan 27 00:05:46 it finally came up and said that it installed the drivers successfully Jan 27 00:05:54 PatrickC: actually yeah that's good Jan 27 00:06:00 ok. Jan 27 00:06:02 means is likely not bricked Jan 27 00:06:04 *whew* Jan 27 00:06:07 good Jan 27 00:06:12 i really havent done anything lately.. Jan 27 00:06:30 i run OC'd (i know the risk, and yes im willing to doctor) but it hasnt really effected me. Jan 27 00:06:39 but other then that its almost stock Jan 27 00:08:30 how do I install the application on my touch pad Jan 27 00:08:53 what application? Jan 27 00:09:06 PatrickC: well overclocking can actually damage the hardware in ways doctoring wont help with too Jan 27 00:09:16 hopefully hasn't though Jan 27 00:09:21 yeah. which is why i dont go super fast Jan 27 00:15:53 THE application Jan 27 00:16:15 (one application to rule them all) Jan 27 00:16:37 lol Jan 27 00:17:05 destinal, is there anything else i can try? ive tried booting from the stock boot uImage and the nova-cust-uImage Jan 27 00:17:44 PatrickC: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery Jan 27 00:17:54 was hoping not to have to use that :/ Jan 27 00:17:58 but i guess i probably will have to Jan 27 00:18:57 PatrickC: though rather than the outdated omap3_usbload binary, try this Jan 27 00:19:05 http://code.google.com/p/omap-u-boot-utils/ Jan 27 00:19:19 ok Jan 27 00:19:19 get and compile that and use the pusb binary Jan 27 00:19:33 i just membooted it again (well, i think it did) ill let it boot Jan 27 00:19:39 i can get novaterm access, i just get Jan 27 00:19:40 [ Jan 27 00:19:41 ] Jan 27 00:19:43 ] Jan 27 00:19:48 ] is bootie Jan 27 00:19:53 inside the terminal window Jan 27 00:19:56 ah Jan 27 00:20:08 so you don't need last resort Jan 27 00:20:10 well, if i have bootie access, then it isnt totally fried i expect Jan 27 00:20:30 im assuming a regular doctor will work? Jan 27 00:20:32 novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage Jan 27 00:20:36 (havent tried it yet) Jan 27 00:20:38 tried that Jan 27 00:20:46 oh wait not castle Jan 27 00:20:48 roadrunner Jan 27 00:20:52 pre2 right? Jan 27 00:21:00 yep Jan 27 00:21:08 sprint as well :) Jan 27 00:21:22 so you definitely did novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage ? Jan 27 00:21:27 not the castle one by mistake? Jan 27 00:21:34 yep Jan 27 00:21:42 got it from the 2.2.4 doctor that i doctored it with Jan 27 00:22:05 should go to HP logo Jan 27 00:22:13 i have a custom boot logo Jan 27 00:22:16 and yes, i see it Jan 27 00:22:19 but no novaterm access Jan 27 00:22:19 k Jan 27 00:22:24 just "unable to find device" Jan 27 00:22:39 http://pastebin.com/9DSJmfG1 thats the log when i memboot Jan 27 00:22:44 (if it helps at all) Jan 27 00:23:26 PatrickC: can you try it in linux and log the whole thing including the boot mem> Jan 27 00:23:38 ok, lemme reboot Jan 27 00:23:41 brb Jan 27 00:24:51 i installed openssh but not be able to connect to TP Jan 27 00:25:03 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). Jan 27 00:25:07 follow the troubleshooting tips Jan 27 00:25:29 ? Jan 27 00:25:31 Application:OpenSSH on the webos-internals wiki Jan 27 00:26:28 sshd is running on TP Jan 27 00:26:54 dwc-:{ i copied id_rsa and id_rsa.pub to my pc, which file i have to use Jan 27 00:27:48 ssh localhost on touchpad giving same error Jan 27 00:27:59 i dont understand what went wrong Jan 27 00:28:42 destinal, on linux now Jan 27 00:29:11 chandoo : you have to set your key first, what os is your desktop running ? Jan 27 00:29:23 fedora linux Jan 27 00:29:24 PatrickC: have SDK installed in linux? Jan 27 00:29:27 yep Jan 27 00:29:32 the reason you cant connect locally is you didnt set your key in your client either :\ Jan 27 00:29:39 Compn:{ i generated keys on touchpad Jan 27 00:29:51 did you generate it with a pass or without ? Jan 27 00:29:59 PatrickC: ok, so get back to USB / recovery mode and novaterm into bootie again and leave that going Jan 27 00:30:02 without pass Jan 27 00:30:06 ok Jan 27 00:30:15 ok Jan 27 00:30:17 i actually forgot how i got it working, but i hit those errors first ;) Jan 27 00:30:34 then in another window, novacom boot mem:// followed this note exactly Jan 27 00:30:36 lots of frustration :) Jan 27 00:30:39 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH#Troubleshooting_.2F_Hints Jan 27 00:30:53 PatrickC: you should see in your first window the boot command received Jan 27 00:31:39 i did Jan 27 00:31:42 pasting it now Jan 27 00:32:03 i want to play quake on the touchpad :P Jan 27 00:32:09 http://pastebin.com/BKv0kSsj Jan 27 00:32:15 Compn: so why not install it? Jan 27 00:32:38 PatrickC: now try novaterm again? Jan 27 00:32:41 entire command line (had a little more) http://pastebin.com/2z3x7hVW Jan 27 00:32:50 "unable to find device" Jan 27 00:33:10 PatrickC: lsusb -v and pastebin the result Jan 27 00:33:39 destinal : its installed, just cant figure how to start a new game Jan 27 00:34:13 destinal, it was so much the terminal couldnt hold it all http://pastebin.com/jBTR6h3s Jan 27 00:34:40 iirc from when I played in DOS, enter brings up the menu Jan 27 00:34:48 (so long ago...) Jan 27 00:35:28 PatrickC: try lsusb -v | grep -i palm Jan 27 00:35:57 if only the touchpad had an enter key... Jan 27 00:36:14 destinal, http://pastebin.com/A4Ngzw9g Jan 27 00:36:19 Compn, it does? Jan 27 00:36:30 no Jan 27 00:36:42 if you're using the kb it does..? lol Jan 27 00:36:49 PatrickC: ok so, reboot it back into bootie and do that lsusb -v |grep -i palm again Jan 27 00:37:14 i need a kb Jan 27 00:37:15 :P Jan 27 00:37:19 I think bootie has one USB device ID and the novacom gadget thing has another ID Jan 27 00:37:27 http://pastebin.com/LUdHH1PA Jan 27 00:38:21 so 0830:8041 = bootie and 0830:8044 = novacom listener Jan 27 00:38:39 it's definitely there, why not answering... Jan 27 00:40:02 PatrickC: are you running latest novacom? Jan 27 00:40:03 it is working now Jan 27 00:40:17 as of 3.0.5 Jan 27 00:40:23 the mistake i made is the typo in authorised_keys Jan 27 00:40:33 PatrickC: can you find an older novacom just in case? :) Jan 27 00:40:41 hehe where would i find that? Jan 27 00:40:43 I wonder if this is some kind of bug Jan 27 00:40:54 i sure hope not... Jan 27 00:43:34 how would we find out if its a bug? Jan 27 00:43:51 let me see if I can find the novacom in question Jan 27 00:43:56 ok Jan 27 00:45:26 developer.palm.com is so weird without promoting any devices as it used to Jan 27 00:45:51 yeah Jan 27 00:45:59 "the good 'ol days" Jan 27 00:46:11 or "ol'" lol Jan 27 00:46:31 PatrickC: you using 64 bit or 32 bit novacom binary Jan 27 00:46:36 32 Jan 27 00:46:45 should be.. how do i check? Jan 27 00:46:45 \ Jan 27 00:47:06 type `type -path novacom` Jan 27 00:47:18 err file `type -path novacom` Jan 27 00:47:34 /usr/local/bin/novacom: symbolic link to `/opt/Palm/novacom/novacom' Jan 27 00:47:49 ah file opt/Palm/novacom/novacom Jan 27 00:47:57 file /opt/Palm/novacom/novacom Jan 27 00:48:12 file `which novacom` Jan 27 00:48:14 ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped Jan 27 00:48:25 also md5sum /opt/Palm/novacom/novacom Jan 27 00:48:31 oh, but you'd need file -L Jan 27 00:48:38 would be good to make sure I'm looking at the same one Jan 27 00:48:53 5ffd75d3f8989f863673a3a53846438c Jan 27 00:50:08 Ok I get same md5 from binary in https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/3.0.5.676/sdkBinaries/palm-novacom_1.0.80_i386.deb Jan 27 00:50:14 which is latest Jan 27 00:50:49 PatrickC: oh also md5sum /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd just in case Jan 27 00:50:57 I HATE FORUMS...you can't search them or your get sent to a google search that gives results that are of NO Relevance....Target doesnt' sell Pre3's Jan 27 00:51:25 247965c6e30a65c8ab10e467940ae4f1 Jan 27 00:51:32 are you listening webosnation???? Jan 27 00:51:54 PatrickC: k same Jan 27 00:52:37 ka6sox: how about phpbb, where pretty much every keyword you want becomes "too common" and removed from your search queries for you Jan 27 00:52:50 on any forum of even a reasonably small size Jan 27 00:53:17 ka6sox: heh no I doubt they are. there's this thing called usenet, but for some reason people decided to junk it for flaky proprietary ugly forum things Jan 27 00:53:43 it's not like usenet came with decent search either .... Jan 27 00:54:06 dwc-: no but deja news made one and google picked it up and added to it Jan 27 00:55:09 but we can't use usenet because it's NIH. I wonder what email would have been like if it wasn't already well entrenched, used by everyone before web 2.0 came along Jan 27 00:55:22 undoubtedly not open and compatible, and much worse Jan 27 00:55:30 where's "here" Jan 27 00:55:49 i am running scp command on my desktop pulling files from TP, the transfer often stalls Jan 27 00:56:04 dwc-: wherever the person putting up another new whizbang forum is Jan 27 00:56:19 initially rate was 3mbps, then falling to 400kbps Jan 27 00:56:33 oh. I thought we don't use usenet because 99% of the people who would want it can't figure out how to use usenet :p Jan 27 00:57:04 dwc-: most of them can't figure out PINE or ELM either, somehow we got better mail clients Jan 27 00:57:07 for end users Jan 27 00:57:19 woot, elm Jan 27 00:57:43 Usenet is the denizin of warez unfortunately now. Jan 27 00:57:57 yea, but who has access to free usenet these days? Jan 27 00:58:20 probably no-one outside of universities. Jan 27 00:58:22 usenet's also fairly terrible from a sysadmin point of view wrt hozing disk Jan 27 00:58:27 rwhitby: yeah, it's the fragmentation of the net into all these different fiefdoms, just glad email seems to have gotten in before them and people have to support SMTP etc Jan 27 00:58:32 * PatrickC wonders if he should just doctor Jan 27 00:58:39 otherwise what hideous things would we have to suffer through Jan 27 00:58:50 we already suffer through SMTP. :P Jan 27 00:58:56 it's far from perfect Jan 27 00:59:03 (but works pretty darn well, I will admit) Jan 27 00:59:10 dwc-: yes, but it does prevent sole ownership of mail Jan 27 00:59:24 unlike most modern information services which have to be owned by one party or another Jan 27 00:59:55 maybe you can switch everyone to diaspora Jan 27 01:00:22 and use that for a decentralized discussion forum Jan 27 01:00:53 end-users have really no control over what feeds their NNTP server will provide them anyways Jan 27 01:00:54 dwc-: hmm .. interesting.. I just miss open protocols where all the providers were equal and it was about free exchange of information rather than proprietary things and "hits" Jan 27 01:01:28 a handful of big companies are reinacting AOL with the net and the result is ugly Jan 27 01:01:44 unfortunately, providing services is not cost-free Jan 27 01:02:01 hell, look at how many places are outsourcing their email to the cloud? Jan 27 01:02:39 (not much a fan of that, btw, as an end-user... though as a mail server administrator, that does mean less misconfigured mail servers talking to mine) Jan 27 01:02:58 rwhitby: have you heard of any issues with pre2 on this latest novacom and novaterming into the installer image? PatrickC is having a strange problem that makes no sense to me unless there's some kind of regression in the latest novacom binaries Jan 27 01:03:10 none that I know of Jan 27 01:04:06 rwhitby: 0830:8041 = bootie and 0830:8044 = novacom on device (in installer image) seem right? Jan 27 01:04:38 * rwhitby bbiab Jan 27 01:04:50 "Building a Decentralized-Twitter using WOrdPress, E-mail, and Chewing Gum" ... sounds like fun Jan 27 01:05:39 dwc-: heh neat Jan 27 01:07:13 PatrickC: only things I can think of offhand are to try older novacom binaries and older installer images Jan 27 01:07:26 just to see if there is any regression in latest Jan 27 01:08:16 where would i find older novacom? Jan 27 01:08:52 is there any difference in the vzw pre2 uImage and the unlocked pre2 uImage? Jan 27 01:09:07 PatrickC: suspiciously I don't see 8044 in novacomd Jan 27 01:09:08 older doctors for one Jan 27 01:09:30 PatrickC: do you have a pre- ? Jan 27 01:09:34 yeah Jan 27 01:09:44 can you do the same lsusb with it in installer image? Jan 27 01:09:44 is there openssh developer here Jan 27 01:09:44 is it working? no :) Jan 27 01:09:56 in the castle installer image not roadrunner of course Jan 27 01:10:02 chandoo: follow the troubleshooting, specifically you should be looking at /var/log/messages Jan 27 01:10:03 trying to compare USB ID #'s Jan 27 01:10:36 i notice one thing when i connect TP to charger or usb port, scp data rate is 3-4mbps if i disconnect from charger rate is falling to 100kbps Jan 27 01:10:46 dwc-:{ openssh is working now Jan 27 01:10:47 i dont have one that works (well, actually... maybe) lemme go grab it Jan 27 01:10:56 Bus 001 Device 046: ID 0830:8042 Palm, Inc. Jan 27 01:11:04 ^ us gsm pre2, normal mode Jan 27 01:11:23 is this normal behavior in TP Jan 27 01:13:04 echo `hexdump -C novacomd|grep 80.7e|awk '{print $3$2":"$5$4}'` returns Jan 27 01:13:05 0830:e002 0830:8022 0830:8027 0830:8031 0830:8036 0830:0107 0830:8042 0830:8047 0830:8052 0830:8057 0830:8062 0830:8067 0830:8072 0830:8077 0830:8082 0830:8087 0830:8092 0830:8097 Jan 27 01:13:34 notice there's 8042 and 8047 and 8052 and 8057, but I don't see 8044 Jan 27 01:14:04 destinal, cant find my pre- Jan 27 01:14:14 PatrickC: it's ok, let's try editing that binary Jan 27 01:14:18 ok Jan 27 01:15:03 PatrickC: do you have a hex editor? Jan 27 01:15:09