**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 01 02:59:57 2012 Feb 01 03:06:49 kevets_, why not? Feb 01 03:06:53 mine runs fine on it Feb 01 03:07:01 not even running a kernel Feb 01 03:07:23 oh PuffTheMagic speaking of 2.2.4, i ran wTerm on it today :) but it had some weird encoding Feb 01 03:08:19 I just started having lots of weird lag issues, one was with camera Feb 01 03:09:10 I'd snap a pic and it would get stuck while saving the image, or would throw an error Feb 01 03:09:52 that was with an ubuntu made metadoctor, no funky cygwin stuff this time Feb 01 03:11:14 part of me hopes a vzw official 2.2.4 surfaces still. I did like the touchpad pairing tho Feb 01 03:14:23 the touchpad pairing is possible without 2.1 Feb 01 03:14:26 2.2.4* Feb 01 03:18:54 kevets_, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/MAP_Bluetooth_Legacy_Devices Feb 01 03:29:08 wait, is wterm for 2.2.x in the alpha feeds only? Feb 01 03:33:36 PatrickC, weird encoding? Feb 01 03:33:54 summatusmentis, yes Feb 01 03:35:21 guh Feb 01 03:35:26 I don't have alpha feeds installed Feb 01 03:54:41 https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/166991_366484256714367_205344452828349_1363345_1124239391_n.jpg Feb 01 03:58:26 rofl Feb 01 04:12:56 PatrickC: ahhh cool Feb 01 04:45:52 PuffTheMagic, i have a screenshot Feb 01 04:45:53 lemme get it Feb 01 04:46:04 destinal_, cool? refering to the MAP? Feb 01 04:51:37 PuffTheMagic, http://flic.kr/p/bmRzrx Feb 01 04:51:54 see the 0var0ipne0ppt Feb 01 04:54:19 really, i need to sign into flickr to see this Feb 01 04:54:28 really? Feb 01 04:54:36 * PatrickC can use a different service Feb 01 04:54:42 had no clue they did that.. Feb 01 04:54:45 just give me a pub link Feb 01 04:55:30 PatrickC, dont set it to private Feb 01 04:55:36 then anyone can see it Feb 01 04:55:59 i dont get why you can just explain what the issue is Feb 01 04:56:12 set to public Feb 01 04:56:22 there is weird encoding for the path name Feb 01 04:57:10 what is your TERM set to? Feb 01 04:57:24 PatrickC, and use ompldr for that shit next time Feb 01 04:57:37 PuffTheMagic, i did on the phone, but not on the phone anymore Feb 01 04:57:39 lost the link Feb 01 04:57:47 sent it to u on #webos a while ago Feb 01 05:55:55 is wterm meant to be only in alpha feed? Feb 01 06:27:35 folks Feb 01 06:29:18 * bhuey looks at Android kernel sources for linux kernel 3.0 Feb 01 06:32:54 bhuey: don't laugh too hard :) Feb 01 06:33:06 what's wrong with it ? Feb 01 06:33:22 it's a WIP Feb 01 06:33:29 does it boot ? Feb 01 06:33:36 what stable kernel should I be looking at ? Feb 01 06:33:50 2.6.39 or something ? Feb 01 06:34:09 github.com/CyanogenMod/hp-kernel-tenderloin Feb 01 06:34:19 is the stable kernel Feb 01 06:34:22 what version kernel is it ? Feb 01 06:34:37 same as HPalm's Feb 01 06:34:43 we're dumping it Feb 01 06:34:55 going to 3.x? Feb 01 06:35:10 what's a newer kernel that's more stable than 2.6.35 ? Feb 01 06:35:17 * bhuey freak'n new at this shit Feb 01 06:35:30 er rephrase Feb 01 06:35:35 what's newer that's stable ? Feb 01 06:35:50 was looking at the codeaurora kernels Feb 01 06:36:04 yes, that's what the 3.x kernel is based on Feb 01 06:36:34 I suspect 3.x is way to go, but still need to port devices over/etc. Feb 01 06:36:49 yes, it boots (3.x) Feb 01 06:37:09 this is the Linux kernel 3.0 branch from Ice Cream Sandwich I'm playing with Feb 01 06:37:27 yeah looking at the devices now Feb 01 06:37:32 ahh, so no tenderloin support ... Feb 01 06:37:45 the portability effort should help simplify this to be as close to a standard Android kernel as possible Feb 01 06:37:56 tenderlion ? Feb 01 06:38:11 thought you were talking about the 3.x kernel I've been working on (tenderloin/topaz) Feb 01 06:38:45 sorry what's tenderlion here mean ? I'm kind of noob to codenames Feb 01 06:39:05 tenderloin codename for HP Touchpad kernel Feb 01 06:39:08 ok Feb 01 06:39:14 I know it under another name :) Feb 01 06:39:19 topaz? Feb 01 06:39:29 na, another internal name Feb 01 06:39:34 oh, ok Feb 01 06:39:45 or I'm just lying to you to save face :) Feb 01 06:39:56 you'll never know Feb 01 06:40:08 doesn't really matter Feb 01 06:40:23 yeah investigating moving to the ICS 3.0 kernel right now Feb 01 06:40:47 there's been a lot of msm/ARMv7 changes in newer kernel than 2.6.35 Feb 01 06:41:03 namely the futux support is properly using atomic operations now Feb 01 06:41:07 and is multiprocessor safe Feb 01 06:41:56 the ICS 3.0 kernel you talk about ... is the one from codeaurora? Feb 01 06:41:59 codeaurora msm specific code is problematic Feb 01 06:42:00 I hate it Feb 01 06:42:10 jcsullins: codeaurora Feb 01 06:42:23 yes Feb 01 06:42:32 might try a test compile or something tomorrow Feb 01 06:42:44 just looking at the git logs and stuff to see what kind of changes are there Feb 01 06:43:06 have you looked in my github? Feb 01 06:43:14 no I don't know about it Feb 01 06:43:33 * jcsullins is working on 3.0 kernel port to tenderloin ... Feb 01 06:43:43 yeah how's that going ? what are you doing ? Feb 01 06:44:08 right now, trying to figure out why colors are f'd up, but it's booted into ICS ... Feb 01 06:44:22 what about webOS specific devices ? Feb 01 06:45:06 well, really only devices so far are framebuffer and gpio-keys ... whice devices would be webOS specific? Feb 01 06:45:14 did you diff it against the codeaurora kernels ? Feb 01 06:45:29 what ever devices are relevant Feb 01 06:45:30 started w/ codeaurora Feb 01 06:45:45 what about diffing it against the tenderloin kernel ? Feb 01 06:45:58 haven't done that Feb 01 06:45:58 requires the git log or something ? Feb 01 06:46:16 what's your plan to do that device forward porting ? Feb 01 06:46:33 take them one at a time ... :) Feb 01 06:46:44 a6 and charger maybe next, ugh Feb 01 06:46:46 you have an outline of the work that you want to do ? Feb 01 06:46:49 ok Feb 01 06:47:02 put it up on the wiki Feb 01 06:53:52 jcsullins: like I told you the colors is a simgle twoliner switching dma mapping, want a pointer to a diff? Feb 01 06:54:36 already applied one, but maybe got the wrong one? Feb 01 06:55:02 which one you got? there were two actually. early one and then later one Feb 01 06:55:14 though both should have worked. Do you get red<->blue reversion? Feb 01 06:55:59 bhuey: Do you know why webOS default kernel has usb host code enabled by defaut with a ton of USB devices support too? Feb 01 06:56:13 too much memory to burn or were there wide plans for the future? Feb 01 06:56:48 though it seems people stopped to care about memory. Even Nook Touch with its measly 256M has usb host on by default for some strange reason Feb 01 06:57:31 knowing the magic to get touchpad to supply its own vbus would be cool, though Feb 01 06:57:46 if only qualcomm was not so closed about their chip doumentation... Feb 01 06:58:19 the one that uses this: http://pastebin.com/SNYzvbUi Feb 01 06:58:31 know anything about the serial port in the head phone jack? Feb 01 06:59:05 RagingMind: that one is already pretty much resolved I think Feb 01 07:02:00 jcsullins: this commit: b3ad09daaf0ea9930edd161a8ee0663c417a7561 Feb 01 07:03:07 mdp4_overlay_unpack_pattern2 and using it basically, yes Feb 01 07:03:31 green--: I know little about the USB support Feb 01 07:03:58 bhuey: What do you know that you can talk about I wonder? Feb 01 07:04:14 if you don't mind could you educate me on the issues you're talking about ? Feb 01 07:04:22 this is not my specialty unfortunately Feb 01 07:04:46 I little specifics about the device layer Feb 01 07:04:57 other than it exists and code points to it Feb 01 07:04:57 aboug rgb or about usb? Feb 01 07:05:01 usb Feb 01 07:05:09 I know nothing about USB Feb 01 07:05:33 well, the chip inside HP touchpad hs usb host capability (otg). (the msm7... otg chip) Feb 01 07:05:41 or very little that's useful for device specific semantics and stuff Feb 01 07:05:48 right I know that Feb 01 07:06:01 the hardware also routes "id" pin in the usb receptale to "automatically" enable this mode when you plug otg capable cable Feb 01 07:06:09 otg ? Feb 01 07:06:49 special usb mode where depending on the cable devie behaves either as usb client, or usb host (i.e. when you can attch other usb devices to touchpad, like a keyboard and it would drive them) Feb 01 07:07:02 green--: yes it supports a few things, wont provide power though Feb 01 07:07:03 "on the go" is the decryption of hte acronym Feb 01 07:07:14 ok Feb 01 07:07:43 hewball: It support a ton of stuff diriver wise out of the box with webOS stock kernel. I know it does not provide vbus and we have not found a way to do that yet Feb 01 07:08:03 green--: i added usb audio support to uberkernel for it Feb 01 07:08:20 bhuey: so there is a bit of standard kernel code to enable regulators and everything that a llot of similar devices use to provide vbus to drive the devices. Feb 01 07:08:33 green--: i believe the hardware is missing for vbus Feb 01 07:08:45 thats what i thought too Feb 01 07:09:09 what's vbus ? Feb 01 07:09:16 bhuey: but the vbus is not there. so if you nssert a proper otg cable, nothing works as there is no power, but if you supply external 5v (basically use a Y usb cable to host or charger) then that power drives the devices and touchpad can control them Feb 01 07:09:26 v=voltage ? Feb 01 07:09:28 vbus is 5v voltage on usb bus Feb 01 07:09:31 yes Feb 01 07:09:32 ok Feb 01 07:09:46 bhuey: yes voltage from touchpad to power the device Feb 01 07:09:55 that's not a problem, you can hook up something to drive the device I'm sure Feb 01 07:10:18 there must be a way to provide this voltage from touchpad. Of course it is possible to just open the battery charger gate, but the battery is only 3.3v which is too low for 5v and would only work for a short time when the battary is super full, so it's not a good long term solution Feb 01 07:10:44 no don't screw withit Feb 01 07:10:45 bhuey; hooking something is not always convenient of course, plenty of situations where you would want to have self powered mode Feb 01 07:10:54 you'll destroy the thing and it's not made anymore Feb 01 07:11:28 green--: maybe you and ka6sox can work on it since he's got a hardware background Feb 01 07:11:30 well, I used this with Nook Color in early stages before I uncovered the ulpi chip doc and found how to make it produce its own 5v. it's safe pretty much Feb 01 07:11:35 he's pretty good at that stuff Feb 01 07:11:46 the chip gets a little touchy with a usb2 hub Feb 01 07:11:54 but there is no qualcomm doc on the chi other then the source, but the registers are undocumented Feb 01 07:11:59 hewball, in the touchpad? Feb 01 07:12:07 yes Feb 01 07:12:21 something with ehci goes weird Feb 01 07:12:21 hewball: I don't have any problems with my usb hubs Feb 01 07:12:33 I could never get power using a Y to work really Feb 01 07:12:46 cause that's how I was planning to connect stuff. using an otg adapter to a small powered hub I have Feb 01 07:12:48 wrea: did you get otg mode activated Feb 01 07:13:08 green--: i had a kernel without the ehci added in, and it was much nicer Feb 01 07:13:08 yeah Feb 01 07:13:18 bhuey: do you know about msm gfx stuff by any chance, btw? there is one unresolved question about HDMI vs 4g touchpad 3g card cpio conflict Feb 01 07:13:38 no that's been worked on right now by the folks in the media team Feb 01 07:13:40 hewball: like I ssaid, I had zero problems even with sstock kerne; Feb 01 07:13:50 there's an effort to standardize it Feb 01 07:14:08 to use more Android standard devices Feb 01 07:14:09 bhuey: but this is a solved problem in the webOS, whydoes it need to be worked on? I mean 4g touchpad works under webOS with no problems ;) Feb 01 07:14:36 that's been publicly announced already Feb 01 07:15:03 green--: im not the only one that noticed the ehci issues Feb 01 07:15:08 bhuey: the "marh release of kernel"? It said nothing about standard devices or hdmi/4g conflict Feb 01 07:16:11 whatever man Feb 01 07:16:23 what do you think that means ? Feb 01 07:16:31 moving to a more standard kernel ? Feb 01 07:16:45 I don't know. I was very puzzled by that because the kernel source is already released ;) Feb 01 07:17:03 * bhuey suspects he's talking too much Feb 01 07:17:20 bhuey: do you know who made a decision to go with a dump touchscreen firmware and userspace driver? what were the reasons behind it? Feb 01 07:17:37 s/dump/dumb/ Feb 01 07:17:38 green-- meant: bhuey: do you know who made a decision to go with a dumb touchscreen firmware and userspace driver? what were the reasons behind it? Feb 01 07:18:00 green--: http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad/296505-functional-usb-host-touchpad-23.html#post3247108 Feb 01 07:18:09 bhuey: I don't want you ro break any NDAs, so if I am asking too much, just tell me ;) Feb 01 07:18:24 yeah you're asking too much :) Feb 01 07:19:44 sorry then Feb 01 07:25:10 hewball: interesting. I did not use it too much so might have missed I guess Feb 01 07:25:31 anyway I am still hoping to get the internal vbus somehow one day Feb 01 07:25:56 i worked out single device no hub, worked much better Feb 01 07:26:13 or removing ehci from kernel too Feb 01 07:27:09 hewball, maybe ehci from a different kernel would play nicer? Feb 01 07:27:17 possible Feb 01 07:27:21 reoving ehci does not sound as that great of an idea from my memory of what I saw in the code Feb 01 07:28:02 also 4g touchpad most definitely has ehci and the other usb host controller there is ehci too, I think, even though the driver itself is different Feb 01 07:28:15 * PatrickC wanders in Feb 01 07:28:21 nah id say not but it does point to where the issue was Feb 01 07:28:24 talking about the USB host support on the TP? Feb 01 07:28:40 this was on the wifi only, havnt tried my 4g yet Feb 01 07:29:05 on a side note... what I really want is a TP Go Feb 01 07:29:17 regular TP is just a bit too big Feb 01 07:29:23 RagingMind: i think that goes for most of us here Feb 01 07:29:29 RagingMind: 7" formfactor is just too small, but if that's your thing, Nook Colors are $130 or so Feb 01 07:29:49 my BF had a nook color, we both hated the damn thing Feb 01 07:29:53 i like the size of the TP Feb 01 07:30:10 i want 4G though Feb 01 07:30:17 RagingMind: the goot thing about NC is it's open and the hardeware is DOCUMENTED, this is very important I think ;) Feb 01 07:30:48 PatrickC: I am sure you still can buy 4G TP, not as cheap as the wifi model, though Feb 01 07:30:56 PatrickC, why need a 4g one? on vzw you get free mobile hotspot on a Pre+ ;) Feb 01 07:31:01 green--, yeah. thats my problem Feb 01 07:31:07 RagingMind, or freeTether ;) Feb 01 07:31:18 * PatrickC wants webOS on this http://mobileroundup.com/Article/crackberry.com/exclusive-first-image-of-a-blackberry-10-superphone Feb 01 07:31:28 though what I'd really like is bluetooth tethering from my phone to TP Feb 01 07:31:37 RagingMind, for internet? Feb 01 07:31:42 yeah, i want that too Feb 01 07:32:03 for MAP, thats possible on 2.1+ (possibly 2.0+, but whos on that anymore ;) ) Feb 01 07:32:18 PatrickC, because mobile hot spot draws has a different quota Feb 01 07:32:32 RagingMind, im on sprint Feb 01 07:32:43 its all one quota :) Feb 01 07:32:56 and soon I'll be on att so I can use my Pre3 Feb 01 07:33:06 * PatrickC wishes he was on AT&T Feb 01 07:33:14 I wish I was still on Alltel Feb 01 07:36:38 * PatrickC cant wait to run webOS on Android hardware Feb 01 07:37:49 LarrySteeze|Away, send me a pm when u get on (if u have the chance) Feb 01 07:40:26 * PatrickC is off to bed Feb 01 07:40:27 night all Feb 01 07:40:30 PatrickC, extremely UNLIKELY that a BB *anything* except possibly a Playbook Feb 01 07:40:34 would ever run webOS Feb 01 07:40:44 ka6sox, that stinks :/ Feb 01 07:40:55 well, ill settle for a Nexus Feb 01 07:41:10 PatrickC: yes a nexus :D Feb 01 07:41:22 or my Xperia X10 even Feb 01 07:41:29 it might be older, but it is still nice HW Feb 01 07:42:22 samsung wont update android on their devices, so webos would be a nice "upgrade" Feb 01 07:43:19 yeah Feb 01 07:45:28 * PatrickC is really off to bed now Feb 01 07:45:31 night all :) Feb 01 07:59:12 ~alpha Feb 01 07:59:13 WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP!)) for details. #alpha Feb 01 07:59:42 infobo alpha-feed is Alpha quality packages have had little or no end-user testing, and are likely to delete your data, wipe your device and profile, and potentially damage your device. Packages in the alpha feed *will* regularly break (perhaps even intentionally). You have been warned. Unless you are directly and specifically alpha testing a package, you should disable all alpha feeds at all times other than when you are explicitly updating or in Feb 01 07:59:42 stalling an alpha package. Feb 01 08:00:18 infobot, alpha-feed is have had little or no end-user testing, and are likely to delete your data, wipe your device and profile, and potentially damage your device. Packages in the alpha feed *will* regularly break (perhaps even intentionally). You have been warned. Unless you are directly and specifically alpha testing a package, you should disable all alpha feeds at all times other than when you are explicitly updating or installing an alpha pac Feb 01 08:00:19 kage. Feb 01 08:00:19 ...but alpha-feed is already something else... Feb 01 08:00:23 argh Feb 01 08:00:26 ~alpha-feed Feb 01 08:00:26 i guess alpha-feed is super bleeding edge software and should never be used on a production device... period. Feb 01 08:00:33 meh, that works Feb 01 08:03:32 jcsullins: I'm open to working with you on a 3.0 kernel port btw Feb 01 08:03:51 too long, cryptk Feb 01 08:04:54 if you want to redefine it, tell it "no, X is Y" or first tell it to forget X Feb 01 08:06:00 dwc-, I know how infobot works Feb 01 08:06:10 I would have shortened it, but infobot told me it already had something Feb 01 08:06:21 so I checked what it had before I overwrote it, and deemed that it was good enough Feb 01 08:14:30 no infobot, its all wrong Feb 01 08:44:28 ~all Feb 01 08:44:33 infobot, all is wrong Feb 01 08:44:34 okay, destinal_ Feb 01 08:47:30 wow I had no idea how long 3.0 had been out Feb 01 08:48:55 yeah Feb 01 08:49:04 already at 3.2.2 Feb 01 11:50:23 * bhuey notes 14 hour workday today Feb 01 12:05:48 bhuey, I feel bad for ya Feb 01 12:31:32 * rwhitby is taking a customer call at 11pm, so has no sympathy Feb 01 12:32:29 morning Feb 01 17:07:05 i have a pre+ that i was using as a sprint pre+, and now am using it as a WR pre+ (it was originally a vzw pre+) and it still has the sprint tokens in it. for it to have the "correct" tokens to communicate with the servers, what device do i need the tokens from? Feb 01 17:07:22 a Pre+ or from a Pre2 (which is the comms board thats in it) Feb 01 17:15:08 rwhitby, when u have a chance (no hurry) could u please give me a ping? i was told that you were probably the only person who would know how to fix my phone Feb 01 17:20:59 (note, this is not about the token isue) Feb 01 18:10:36 how does one make a patch able to work with another patch installed (I believe it's hunk offset) Asking b/c I want Private Browsing & Add Download Link Option & they cancel eachother (note: I could do it manually Feb 01 18:11:07 but would rather whole community would benefit Feb 01 18:11:14 Nergal, i think they check to make sure the file is in a "stock" format before patching Feb 01 18:11:21 and if it isnt stock, then fail Feb 01 18:11:52 right so is there a way to change one or both? Feb 01 18:12:33 I know how to make a diff but that's as far as my patch knowledge goes :-( Feb 01 18:12:46 *patching Feb 01 18:13:27 thats all a patch file is, a diff file Feb 01 18:13:50 combine the 2 patches and resubmit to the patch portal would probably be a good option. imo Feb 01 18:14:20 kinda agree it might be time for a super patch Feb 01 18:15:16 I was just hoping there would be a hunk offset option. but yeah I could compile a super Feb 01 18:15:41 I'll look at who the patch authors are Feb 01 18:16:19 eep not sure I know them Feb 01 18:16:40 PatrickC, we do not check that the file is stock before patching Feb 01 18:16:54 otherwise there would be a TON more patch conflicts Feb 01 18:16:54 cryptk, really? the how come they fail if there is another patch installed? Feb 01 18:16:59 at least AFAIK we don't Feb 01 18:17:02 that was the only reason i could think of Feb 01 18:17:07 some patches touch the same parts of the same files Feb 01 18:17:15 ahh Feb 01 18:17:16 gotcha Feb 01 18:17:23 so when it go's to apply the patch, the code it is looking for to modify isn't there Feb 01 18:17:38 ahh.. i see now Feb 01 18:17:38 well, it is, but it isn't recognizable Feb 01 18:17:54 cryptk but I thought that's what hunk offset did Feb 01 18:18:18 let me check the sources and see what patch flags we use Feb 01 18:18:52 cool thanks cryptk Feb 01 18:19:13 * PatrickC is thinking of giving the guy he gave the pre+ with sprint tokens to his pre2 that he doesnt use Feb 01 18:19:40 unles i can figure out how to reset the tokens/what tokens i need from what device.. Feb 01 18:21:09 take it you didn't back them up? I never remember to do that Feb 01 18:21:21 no, i did Feb 01 18:21:25 like 6 months ago Feb 01 18:21:36 and that HDD got erased cause it crashed :/ Feb 01 18:21:55 oh god dude that sucks I'm sorry Feb 01 18:22:09 but what happened was, i made a sprint pre+ (which requires sprint tokens) from a vzw pre+, then a few days ago, made it into a GSM pre+ for a friend Feb 01 18:22:16 works fine. just no catalog access Feb 01 18:22:41 i have a borked pre2, wonder if those tokens would work...? Feb 01 18:22:50 as the comms board is out of a pre2 to begin with Feb 01 18:23:08 but wait.. crap.. that was a sprint pre2 as well and never made it back to a GSM pre2.. :/ Feb 01 18:23:27 so many phones lol Feb 01 18:23:42 * PatrickC has about 10 phones around him Feb 01 18:24:04 lets see, 2 pre2s, 2 pre3s, 3-4 pre-s, and a sony xperia x10 Feb 01 18:24:26 oh, and a blackberry bold 9650 and a blackberry curve 8530 Feb 01 18:24:49 damn dude (we'll ignore the THe) Feb 01 18:24:51 haha, just realized I am looking in the wrong place Feb 01 18:25:02 I was looking in the preware sources, that isn't where the patch command would be Feb 01 18:25:02 the BBs Feb 01 18:25:22 and the only phone that is actually activated is my sprint pre2 :) Feb 01 18:25:49 i have 6 palm boxes sitting next to me, and another one arriving in about a day or so (if it doesnt come today) Feb 01 18:26:04 did it push 2.2.4 to your pre2Sprint Feb 01 18:26:08 yep Feb 01 18:26:17 both of them (i have 2 sprint pre2's) Feb 01 18:26:39 did you use a vzw modem/token Feb 01 18:26:50 they were GSM pre2's to begin with Feb 01 18:26:56 ah Feb 01 18:27:01 so just swaped the boards and doctored Feb 01 18:27:20 stupid vzw Feb 01 18:27:23 lol Feb 01 18:27:25 why> Feb 01 18:27:30 s/>/?/ Feb 01 18:27:30 PatrickC meant: why? Feb 01 18:27:54 can someone link me to patch sources I can never find it Feb 01 18:28:18 https://github.com/webos-internals/patches Feb 01 18:28:21 no 2.2.4 for my (mom's) vzw pre2 Feb 01 18:28:28 meta-doctor? Feb 01 18:29:02 maybe (get rid of that HP logo too ;-) ) Feb 01 18:29:07 Nergal, PatrickC http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/plain/autopatch/postinst Feb 01 18:29:09 hehe Feb 01 18:29:13 the patch commands use -p1 and -d Feb 01 18:29:50 a'ight I'm to work, thank you guys I'm going to look into making a browser superpatch Feb 01 18:29:51 thats all greek to me ;) Feb 01 18:30:12 Nergal, maybe just make it a "tweak" patch Feb 01 18:30:19 so people can set it on/off at will Feb 01 18:30:50 I'd like to but don't understand json yet :-( Feb 01 18:31:03 ah Feb 01 18:31:13 well, i dont understand diff files yet, so we're about even ;) Feb 01 18:31:47 lol Feb 01 18:32:37 the main "languages" i know are HTML/CSS (i know, i know) and i know enough JS to be semi-dangerous lol Feb 01 18:33:23 * Nergal looks in his own boat & sees PatrickC Feb 01 18:33:30 lol Feb 01 18:34:33 JSON is just an array... Feb 01 18:37:40 * PatrickC is suprised his phone isnt running much hotter.. Feb 01 18:39:30 * PatrickC bbl Feb 01 18:44:28 hunk offsets work, that works if the lines are just shifted... if the "context" part of the diff is modified, it will refuse to do it automatically Feb 01 19:39:03 woo!! pre2 just arrived Feb 01 19:41:04 * PatrickC_Away goes to build new sprint pre2 Feb 01 19:48:48 if i make a sprint pre2, what tokens does it use? Feb 01 19:53:00 hey Adora Feb 01 19:56:38 good morning Feb 01 19:57:05 how are you doing today Adora ? Feb 01 19:57:37 smashing =] Feb 01 19:58:48 * PatrickC goes to dismantle his new pre2 Feb 01 20:00:05 Adora, thats good :) Feb 01 20:00:13 so you are doing smashing today too, then? Feb 01 20:00:18 (yuk yuk yuk) Feb 01 20:00:46 im good now that the replacement pre2 is here :) Feb 01 20:00:49 the other one borked.. lol Feb 01 20:01:04 that's why he has to keep making more Feb 01 20:01:13 he keeps breaking his Feb 01 20:01:23 lol Feb 01 20:01:31 i did nothing to brick the last one lol Feb 01 20:01:34 just a normal reboot Feb 01 20:01:47 not even a triple toggle or a tellbootie command this time Feb 01 20:02:38 Magnets can work Feb 01 20:15:55 PatrickC, o come on your break all your devices constantly Feb 01 20:16:05 not to the point where they dont boot anymore Feb 01 20:16:12 normally it can be easily fixed Feb 01 20:19:06 * bhuey needs to make this conversation public Feb 01 20:19:23 no harassing me about NDA related material Feb 01 20:19:28 first rule of engagement Feb 01 20:19:49 what conversation? Feb 01 20:20:07 acknowledge that HP is not in violation of GPLv2 licensing issues in the kernel, if you're thinking that's true, you're dead wrong Feb 01 20:20:28 so wrong I'll just shit list you and not talk to you about anything Feb 01 20:21:09 so that folks know, I'm ok with Android folks on this channel, no problems with it Feb 01 20:21:41 it's a problem when folks either try to get me into arguments with HP legal or other matters when they're trying to be nice to you Feb 01 20:21:54 I'm just a community engineer Feb 01 20:21:59 just like you Feb 01 20:22:12 bhuey, you work at HP? Feb 01 20:22:28 if you want to get me fired from my job and not be able to help you folks out, dig into me for NDA related matters Feb 01 20:22:31 yes Feb 01 20:22:41 * PatrickC didnt know Feb 01 20:22:47 good thing i never tried any of that junk ;) Feb 01 20:22:52 this is becoming a problem Feb 01 20:23:13 PatrickC: I'm getting blamed for a bunch of shit that's not in my control nor my problem Feb 01 20:23:26 wow... Feb 01 20:24:52 it's also basicallly wrong Feb 01 20:25:28 rule 3) Feb 01 20:25:45 if I tell you that I don't know anything about it nor can talk about it, it means just that Feb 01 20:26:01 respect that function of me in relationship with the community Feb 01 20:26:21 Adora, haven't seen you around lately! Feb 01 20:26:29 did ya have fun at scale? I couldn't make it this year Feb 01 20:26:54 rule 4) I'm here to help, pissing me off doesn't allow me to help you Feb 01 20:27:41 getting me fired doesn't allow me to help you Feb 01 20:27:43 cryptk: I was only there for about a day Feb 01 20:27:46 ahh Feb 01 20:27:48 digging in NDA matters will get me fired Feb 01 20:27:53 but missed you! Feb 01 20:28:13 I missed your pink hat! Feb 01 20:28:15 nobody brought me a jungle gym this year Feb 01 20:28:19 I was so sad Feb 01 20:28:30 aww, makes me sad faced Feb 01 20:33:35 * bhuey rant end Feb 01 20:36:35 destinal, the new pre2 arrived today Feb 01 20:36:38 thanks for the help the other day Feb 01 20:37:16 bhuey: just let me state publically for anyone in the channel that harassment of HP employees / people under NDA is against the mandate of this channel and will be dealt with harshly. that's seriously not cool. Feb 01 20:37:41 yeah Feb 01 20:37:59 what destinal said Feb 01 20:39:48 destinal: just got the word from multiple sources Feb 01 20:40:42 I mean it'll be less important as thing become more open sourced and stuff over that timeline but until then it's a no no Feb 01 20:40:53