**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 02 02:59:57 2012
Feb 02 03:06:24 <wrea> USB host and suspend dont play nice either
Feb 02 03:08:02 <Brybry> could be that then
Feb 02 03:12:19 <wrea> most probably the problem
Feb 02 03:21:53 <Brybry> I really should have written notes down as I did all of this
Feb 02 03:31:23 <ka6sox> does help
Feb 02 04:11:33 <PuffTheMagic> WOOOOOOOT
Feb 02 04:11:42 <Brybry> rwhitby: I built kismet doing something like this (it was actually rather simple) http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/User_talk:Brybry
Feb 02 04:11:49 <PuffTheMagic> i have a enyo hybrid class that works on all webos devices now
Feb 02 04:12:09 <PuffTheMagic> s/class/kind
Feb 02 04:12:51 <Brybry> I'll see if I can dig up my compat-wireless notes tomorrow and put something together that other people can use to build modules/drivers with. The reason one can't use the current kismet in optware is because it's so old it doesn't even know about mac802.11/compat-wireless sources
Feb 02 04:13:05 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: wterm working on pre2, or close to it?
Feb 02 04:14:01 <PuffTheMagic> destinal, working on my pixi
Feb 02 04:14:22 <destinal> PuffTheMagic: nice
Feb 02 04:14:43 <cryptk> Brybry, why not work up something for the builder?
Feb 02 04:14:52 <cryptk> get a kismet package in preware!
Feb 02 04:15:01 <cryptk> we could run it using wTerm
Feb 02 04:15:52 <Brybry> better yet why not write an enyo (or maybe hybrid for the graph stuff) kismet client
Feb 02 04:15:54 <Brybry> sounds like work
Feb 02 04:19:55 <destinal> cryptk: does the wifi chipset on touchpad even support monitor mode?
Feb 02 04:20:08 <cryptk> no clue
Feb 02 04:20:11 <cryptk> ask Brybry
Feb 02 04:20:15 <cryptk> lol
Feb 02 04:20:48 <destinal> cryptk: oh I missed the line that started the conversation :)
Feb 02 04:21:17 <Brybry> afaik no, or at least the driver we have doesn't (I wouldn't be surprised to find that the chipset can do it though with a different driver)
Feb 02 04:21:18 <Brybry> but
Feb 02 04:21:36 <destinal> Brybry: USB host mode w/ dongle could do it
Feb 02 04:21:37 <Brybry> you can hook up your own wifi dongle via usb host mode
Feb 02 04:21:42 <Brybry> which is what I did
Feb 02 04:22:07 <wrea> no driver for it supports monitor mode
Feb 02 04:22:34 <Brybry> see: http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8734/wterm20120102194957.png
Feb 02 04:24:08 <PuffTheMagic> where are the localstorage files stored again?
Feb 02 04:24:09 <PuffTheMagic> i forget
Feb 02 04:25:32 <PuffTheMagic> or should I say
Feb 02 04:25:44 <Brybry> rough guess of /var/palm/data/localstorage
Feb 02 04:25:51 <Compn> `which device puff ?
Feb 02 04:25:58 <PuffTheMagic> 1.4.5
Feb 02 04:26:02 <PuffTheMagic> i guess it doesnt have it :(
Feb 02 04:26:04 <Compn> phone ?
Feb 02 04:26:07 <PuffTheMagic> ya
Feb 02 04:26:11 <Compn> no idea :d
Feb 02 04:27:03 <Brybry> have to use cookies then, right?
Feb 02 04:27:10 <PuffTheMagic> i guess
Feb 02 04:27:15 <PuffTheMagic> :(
Feb 02 04:27:16 <jonny> is there any possible way to get the visual screen lock that htc phones have, set on the HP tp ?
Feb 02 04:27:46 <PuffTheMagic> jonny, maybe when we get source to webos
Feb 02 04:28:16 <jonny> when will that be ? Do you know ?
Feb 02 04:28:26 <PuffTheMagic> look at the press releases
Feb 02 04:28:52 <jonny> i don't know were that is-__-
Feb 02 04:29:26 <PuffTheMagic> google
Feb 02 04:29:39 <cryptk> jonny, here's your freebie http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2012/120125a.html
Feb 02 04:29:39 <cryptk> ;)
Feb 02 04:30:59 <jonny> thanks so much :]
Feb 02 04:35:01 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: should we put that device-independent enyo kind into the hello app as an example of how to do it?
Feb 02 04:35:32 <PuffTheMagic> ya I was thinking about putting it in a gits or the hellow app would be good too
Feb 02 04:42:09 <bhuey> folks
Feb 02 04:43:03 <rwhitby> PuffTheMagic: add a "Hello Hybrid" line to hello
Feb 02 05:07:57 <PatrickC> AHA i have an error code for the wifi now!
Feb 02 06:13:00 <PatrickC> rwhitby, you around for me to ask you a question?
Feb 02 06:17:19 <rwhitby> ~asktoask
Feb 02 06:17:20 <infobot> Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help, if they can.
Feb 02 06:18:12 <PatrickC> do you know where the wifi antenna is?
Feb 02 06:18:19 <PatrickC> i have a feeling something happened to mine
Feb 02 06:18:33 <PatrickC> wifi turns on fine, but finds no access points at all. when other devices find them fine
Feb 02 06:18:48 <PatrickC> even went as far as giving the pre2 a static IP so it wouldnt have to find one
Feb 02 06:22:50 <rwhitby> Did you test it after a stock doctor with no other changes?
Feb 02 06:23:15 <PatrickC> its a sprint pre2
Feb 02 06:23:26 <PatrickC> and yes, i did a meta-doctor (for the sprint pre2 part) with no changes
Feb 02 06:23:29 <PatrickC> 2 times
Feb 02 06:23:41 <PatrickC> first time, it connected fine after doctor, then dropped off the network
Feb 02 06:23:46 <PatrickC> now it wont even see the network
Feb 02 06:23:56 <PatrickC> when i do a quick test, i get wifi error code 25
Feb 02 06:25:18 <rwhitby> sounds like you've broken the hardware
Feb 02 06:26:10 <PatrickC> any way to tell for sure?
Feb 02 06:27:04 <rwhitby> if it doesn't work after a stock doctor, then it's hardware
Feb 02 06:27:36 <PatrickC> the weird thing is, it says the wifi radio is on
Feb 02 06:27:42 <PatrickC> and says "scanning for networks"
Feb 02 06:30:28 <PatrickC> is the wifi on the comms board or on the antenna?
Feb 02 06:30:39 <PatrickC> (i.e. is it on a specific comms board that gets swapped over)?
Feb 02 07:14:17 <PuffTheMagic> PatrickC, just tested wterm on my pre2 and i get the same crazy output as you
Feb 02 07:14:34 <PatrickC> PuffTheMagic, wonder whats causing it..
Feb 02 07:14:46 <PatrickC> right now though, im trying to figure out whats causing my pre2 wifi issue
Feb 02 08:38:33 <destinal> rwhitby: slide 11 of whitman's plans strongly hints that she's thinking a lot about tablets (possibly to include webos tablets)
Feb 02 08:42:27 <destinal> 'I can't do what I need to do here. I need all the productivity tools, I need PowerPoint. I can't actually be head of business development for this company on an iPad.'
Feb 02 08:42:52 <destinal> now she could be talking windows 8 tablets too of course
Feb 02 08:43:10 <PuffTheMagic> she says windows 8 tabn
Feb 02 09:11:43 <EricBlade> PuffTheMagic: how are you getting plugins to work on older ?  although my guess is there probably aren't too many legit 2.1 users anymore
Feb 02 09:20:04 <destinal> EricBlade: lots of 1.4.5 people
Feb 02 09:33:21 <bhuey> folks
Feb 02 09:39:44 <destinal> bhuey: howdy
Feb 02 09:43:22 <EricBlade> destinal: true, that doesn't help if you're trying to stay app catalog compatible, though, as plugins aren't allowed for 1.4.5
Feb 02 09:43:29 <bhuey> hey destinal
Feb 02 09:44:48 <EricBlade> bhuey: howdy
Feb 02 09:45:18 <bhuey> hey
Feb 02 09:45:26 <bhuey> quiet night here tonight
Feb 02 09:52:37 <destinal> so it seems...
Feb 02 09:53:34 <EricBlade> it is 5am almost on the US east coast, it's pretty slow all over the internet at this hour
Feb 02 09:54:57 <bhuey> ok night
Feb 02 11:17:17 <nicotheceo> hi
Feb 02 15:56:41 <chandoo> hi
Feb 02 15:56:57 <chandoo> is it possible to compile evince for touchpad
Feb 02 16:59:05 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/Qr5ncdPp someone around to help me with this issue>
Feb 02 16:59:09 <PatrickC> s/>/?/
Feb 02 16:59:09 <infobot> PatrickC meant: http://pastebin.com/Qr5ncdPp someone around to help me with this issue?
Feb 02 17:00:42 <PatrickC> the weird thing about it is, when i do the mount command to make all the lvm's active, dev/mapper/store-log is there
Feb 02 17:00:50 <PatrickC>  /dev/mapper/store-log
Feb 02 17:05:11 <dwc-> what issue.
Feb 02 17:05:13 <dwc-> the log just ends.
Feb 02 19:00:15 <ka6sox> I am about to kill the autocorrect...where is that stupid thing so I can kill it?
Feb 02 19:03:07 <jtrucks> ka6sox: launcher -> settings -> text assist
Feb 02 19:07:18 <ka6sox> jtrucks, ty...I'm just a poor SysAdmin...
Feb 02 19:08:36 <destinal> .. from a poor family. Spare him his life from this monstrosity!
Feb 02 19:10:17 <destinal> (anyway the wind blows?)
Feb 02 19:10:48 <jtrucks> hahaha
Feb 02 19:11:27 <destinal> :)
Feb 02 19:13:39 <dwc-> ka6sox: that doesn't seem to matter, to me.
Feb 02 19:14:23 <ka6sox> dwc-, orly?
Feb 02 19:14:25 <destinal> lol
Feb 02 19:14:38 <destinal> ka6sox: Queen, man!  :)
Feb 02 19:14:53 <ka6sox> destinal, Freddie would be proud :D
Feb 02 19:15:37 <destinal> dwc-'s contribution was perfect
Feb 02 19:16:13 <destinal> ka6sox: really though, why turn off autocorrect, you lose out on all the hilarious things it turns your typos into
Feb 02 19:16:23 <destinal> (or words it doesn't recognize for that matter) :P
Feb 02 19:16:36 <dwc-> destinal: I'm glad I don't write work emails with it
Feb 02 19:16:49 <dwc-> otherwise I'd be 'share'ing a lot of data instead of 'shard'ing it
Feb 02 19:17:22 <destinal> dwc-: hmm, DBA?
Feb 02 19:17:24 * dwc- should just add 'shard' to autocorrect so his personal notes don't come out funny
Feb 02 19:17:41 <summatusmentis> what is 'shard'ing data?
Feb 02 19:18:00 <dwc-> sometimes I feel like I'm d/b/a'ing as a DBA
Feb 02 19:18:13 <destinal> hehe
Feb 02 19:18:38 <dwc-> summatusmentis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shard_%28database_architecture%29
Feb 02 19:19:01 <summatusmentis> bah, databases
Feb 02 19:19:14 <dwc-> not only applicable to traditional databases per se
Feb 02 19:19:14 <summatusmentis> that's so low-level.
Feb 02 19:19:16 <summatusmentis> >_>
Feb 02 19:19:56 <dwc-> just think of it as a Large Hash Table
Feb 02 19:19:57 <destinal> summatusmentis: wow I would have said high level, you must be way up there...   ohhh.. javascript / node.js :)
Feb 02 19:20:59 <summatusmentis> destinal: my research area is human-computer interaction :)
Feb 02 19:26:12 <destinal> summatusmentis: ah, human-cyborg relations.. :P
Feb 02 19:26:53 <destinal> hash?
Feb 02 19:26:59 <destinal> ~hash
Feb 02 19:26:59 <infobot> rumour has it, hash is to chop (as meat and potatoes) into small pieces
Feb 02 19:28:08 <summatusmentis> bahaha, right, the eventual goal of my whole field is cyborgs and skynet
Feb 02 19:34:28 <PatrickC> dwc-, re: what error ... it cant mount /dev/mapper/store-log but it says its there. then it says that it mounted it fine, then it tries to unmount it, and fails twice
Feb 02 19:39:50 <dwc-> what line is that?
Feb 02 19:40:02 <PatrickC> lemme look
Feb 02 19:41:01 <PatrickC> hmm.. that seems to be the wrong log
Feb 02 19:41:29 <PatrickC> dwc-, this should be the right one http://pastebin.com/HnxWDzBs
Feb 02 19:41:38 <PatrickC> brb lunch
Feb 02 19:43:23 <dwc-> line?
Feb 02 20:00:07 <PatrickC> back
Feb 02 20:00:08 <PatrickC> lemme get it
Feb 02 20:02:09 <PatrickC> line 300 shows that it mounted, line 306 shows it mounted to /tmp_log, line 308 shows complete, line 314 says the log mount is missing, lines 327, 329, and 331 show it not unmounting
Feb 02 20:02:57 <PatrickC> but i know that when i activate all the logical volumes (like the doctor says it does) /dev/mapper/store-log is there and 100% fine like the rest of the mounts
Feb 02 20:12:47 <PatrickC> any idea?
Feb 02 20:48:34 <ka6sox> PatrickC, what are you doing?
Feb 02 20:49:28 <wrea> breaking something, most likely
Feb 02 20:49:34 <PatrickC> ka6sox, trying to doctor
Feb 02 20:49:52 <PatrickC> and it is a 100% stock doctor i know is working cause i just used it on another devicew
Feb 02 20:49:55 <PatrickC> device*
Feb 02 20:50:18 <ka6sox> what did you do to the device you are attempting to doctor that is not working?
Feb 02 20:50:47 <PatrickC> nothing. i did a standard reboot a few days ago, and came back to it approx. 1 hour later and it still wasnt booted
Feb 02 20:50:56 <PatrickC> so i booted it into recovery mode, and it failed
Feb 02 20:51:16 <PatrickC> then me, destinal, and LarrySteeze|Away worked on it for like 4 hours trying to fix it and could never get it fixed
Feb 02 20:51:32 <PatrickC> i even deleted all the logical volumes and physical volumes and recreated them by hand
Feb 02 20:51:52 <ka6sox> what were you trying to do *before* it rebooted
Feb 02 20:52:14 <PatrickC> nothing. i was using the Forums app and writing some email. got super slow
Feb 02 20:52:19 <PatrickC> so i held the button and hit reboot
Feb 02 20:52:24 <PatrickC> no kernel was installed either
Feb 02 20:52:37 <destinal> PatrickC: so the 1.4.5 doctor used to work from bare metal basically
Feb 02 20:52:45 <destinal> rwhitby said that 2.x does not
Feb 02 20:52:51 <destinal> very sad
Feb 02 20:52:55 <PatrickC> destinal, too bad there was no 1.4.5 doctor for the pre2 :/
Feb 02 20:53:07 <PatrickC> i tried killing the store partition and deleting everything in it and it had a cow haha
Feb 02 20:53:15 <ka6sox> what device is this and what OS rev *was* it
Feb 02 20:53:25 <PatrickC> it is a pre2 and it was 2.2.4
Feb 02 20:53:28 <PatrickC> UMTS
Feb 02 20:53:46 <PatrickC> at the time of death (hehe) it was a sprint pre2
Feb 02 20:54:34 <ka6sox> do you still have the original comms card?
Feb 02 20:54:44 <PatrickC> yes
Feb 02 20:54:48 <PatrickC> and it is currently in it
Feb 02 20:55:19 <ka6sox> were there any "special" partitions on the device?
Feb 02 20:55:49 <PatrickC> nope
Feb 02 20:56:01 <ka6sox> so the LVM was a STOCK configuration
Feb 02 20:56:11 <PatrickC> yes
Feb 02 20:56:21 <ka6sox> nothing expanded or shrunk.
Feb 02 20:56:26 <PatrickC> nope
Feb 02 20:56:45 <ka6sox> and where is it dying in the doctor?
Feb 02 20:57:08 <PatrickC> http://pastebin.com/HnxWDzBs line 300 shows that it mounted, line 306 shows it mounted to /tmp_log, line 308 shows complete, line 314 says the log mount is missing, lines 327, 329, and 331 show it not unmounting but i know that when i activate all the logical volumes (like the doctor says it does) /dev/mapper/store-log is there and 100% fine like the rest of the mounts
Feb 02 20:57:32 <ka6sox> you are doing this by HAND?
Feb 02 20:57:38 <PatrickC> nope
Feb 02 20:57:59 <ka6sox> then your previous statement makes NO sense
Feb 02 20:58:08 <ka6sox> when "I" do this
Feb 02 20:58:08 <PatrickC> what previous statement?
Feb 02 20:58:19 <ka6sox> when "I activate"
Feb 02 20:58:37 <PatrickC> i get novaterm access and go thru the steps and make sure that the volume is there
Feb 02 20:58:48 <PatrickC> lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure; lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure
Feb 02 20:59:02 <PatrickC> steps taken to repartition http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:How_To_Recover#Complete_filesystem_creation_for_a_16GB_Pre2
Feb 02 21:00:56 <PatrickC> ka6sox, if i could do it by hand i would
Feb 02 21:01:04 <ka6sox> UM....are you just IGNORING line 334? as in don't wanna see what it says?
Feb 02 21:01:25 <ka6sox> don't want to know that you have a HARDWARE issue that rwhitby told you last night?
Feb 02 21:01:27 <PatrickC> the "WARNINGL Flash Failure"?
Feb 02 21:01:37 <PatrickC> ka6sox, different device
Feb 02 21:01:51 <ka6sox> sheesh..its tough to keep track of all the dead stuff.
Feb 02 21:02:08 <ka6sox> this one has a flash isuse
Feb 02 21:02:17 <PatrickC> i.e. the memory for it?
Feb 02 21:02:20 <ka6sox> and what you described is exactly how a flash dies.
Feb 02 21:02:30 <ka6sox> it gets slow and then DIES.
Feb 02 21:02:43 <PatrickC> so im guessing there is really no recovery for it...?
Feb 02 21:02:55 * halfhalo gets popcorn
Feb 02 21:03:16 <ka6sox> "why yes Doctor....sure you can REVIVE that DEAD flash in the device.....just go get he paddles"
Feb 02 21:03:27 <ka6sox> s/he/the/
Feb 02 21:03:27 <infobot> ka6sox meant: "why yes Doctor....sure you can REVIVE that DEAD flash in tthe device.....just go get he paddles"
Feb 02 21:03:46 <PatrickC> ka6sox, when it said "Flash Failure" i thought that it meant the flashing of the ROM failed
Feb 02 21:03:54 <PatrickC> not that the actual Flash in the device would be bad
Feb 02 21:04:19 <ka6sox> well, everything you have described is a flash that is non-responsive
Feb 02 21:04:28 <rwhitby> line 334 is a filesystem error.  the user has not done the recovery page procedure for reinitialising the filesystems
Feb 02 21:04:30 <ka6sox> all the warning messages say that.
Feb 02 21:05:08 <PatrickC> rwhitby, this page? http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_To_Recover
Feb 02 21:05:34 * ka6sox goes to lunch
Feb 02 21:05:37 <rwhitby> yes, right at the end. modify for a Pre 2.
Feb 02 21:05:48 <PatrickC> rwhitby, like this http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Talk:How_To_Recover#Complete_filesystem_creation_for_a_16GB_Pre2
Feb 02 21:06:02 <PatrickC> already done multiple times
Feb 02 21:06:12 <rwhitby> do it once, correctly.
Feb 02 21:06:24 <PatrickC> those instructions arent correct?
Feb 02 21:06:30 <rwhitby> create the filesystems too, not just the partitions
Feb 02 21:06:44 * PatrickC scratches head.. 
Feb 02 21:06:52 <PatrickC> i used all the same commands from the first page
Feb 02 21:06:53 <rwhitby> especially the log filesystem, about which it is complaining that it cannot mount
Feb 02 21:06:59 <PatrickC> and just tailored them to the pre2
Feb 02 21:07:17 <PatrickC> what command(s) am i missing?
Feb 02 21:07:20 <rwhitby> of course it cannot mount or unmount the log filesystem when you have not created the filesystem, just the partition
Feb 02 21:07:28 <PatrickC> ah
Feb 02 21:08:30 * PatrickC goes to try that
Feb 02 21:08:38 <rwhitby> however, it is quite possible that it is indeed a flash hardware error as ka6sox suggests
Feb 02 21:09:36 <rwhitby> did you do the hardware swapping on an anti-static surface with a wrist strap?
Feb 02 21:09:43 <PatrickC> no
Feb 02 21:09:47 <PatrickC> i have never done it like that
Feb 02 21:10:04 <PatrickC> i did it on my wooden desk
Feb 02 21:10:09 * ka6sox gets chips and a beer
Feb 02 21:10:35 <PatrickC> i have never seen anywhere where it said to do that
Feb 02 21:10:38 <PatrickC> so i never did that
Feb 02 21:11:01 * ka6sox *facepalm"
Feb 02 21:11:28 <halfhalo> see... thats something thats pretty freaking basic
Feb 02 21:11:50 * PatrickC has made many franken devices and never had any of them go bad before this one
Feb 02 21:12:03 <rwhitby> there's that logic course again ...
Feb 02 21:12:16 <rwhitby> A !-> always A
Feb 02 21:13:37 <jcerwinske> as number of undertaken franken processes increases, probability of one going bad approaches 1...
Feb 02 21:14:33 <rwhitby> jcerwinske: as soon as PatrickC touches something, the probability has a step function
Feb 02 21:14:48 <ka6sox> especially when you don't take basic precautions.
Feb 02 21:15:10 <PatrickC> ka6sox, i followed the wiki to a "T" .. if it wasn't on the wiki, i didn't do it
Feb 02 21:15:21 <jcerwinske> honestly I've never used a wrist strap though :/
Feb 02 21:15:52 <ka6sox> do we have to tell you how to hold the torx wrench too?
Feb 02 21:15:59 <jcerwinske> I usually keep a hold of my metal pc case when doing work in there....
Feb 02 21:17:15 <halfhalo> if you know what you are doing and know what might happen, then you may be able to get by with procedure shortcuts.  but you have to know what you are doing first.
Feb 02 21:20:15 <dwc-> why does a stock doctor talk about stuff that looks like it came from outside
Feb 02 21:20:15 <destinal> PatrickC: ESD damage to your components that's enough to kill them is unlikely but unlikely != won't happen
Feb 02 21:20:38 <dwc-> but I don't flash my stuff enough to know for sure
Feb 02 21:20:43 <dwc-> #
Feb 02 21:20:43 <dwc-> Feb 2, 2012 1:39:34 PM com.palm.nova.installer.recoverytool.MainFlasher configureFlasherThread
Feb 02 21:20:46 <dwc-> #
Feb 02 21:20:48 <dwc-> INFO: full path of the baseBuild file outside jar is: /home/patrick/meta-doctor/pre2/meta-doctor/downloads/webOS.tar
Feb 02 21:20:56 <dwc-> INFO: full path of the customizationBuild file outside jar is: /home/patrick/meta-doctor/pre2/meta-doctor/downloads/wr.tar
Feb 02 21:20:59 <dwc-> is that normal?
Feb 02 21:21:11 <rwhitby> yep
Feb 02 21:21:28 <dwc-> ok
Feb 02 21:21:44 * rwhitby never uses a wrist strap either
Feb 02 21:22:06 * dwc- hasn't used a wrist strap since maybe 15 years ago
Feb 02 21:22:27 <jcerwinske> like a bike helmet...
Feb 02 21:22:29 * halfhalo hasn't used one in ages..
Feb 02 21:22:32 <jcerwinske> looks silly until someone cracks their skull
Feb 02 21:22:35 <destinal> rwhitby: I've done all kinds of SMT soldering without anti ESD precautions except simple ones like don't run around on shag carpet, but it definitely doesn't hurt to have a mat
Feb 02 21:23:08 <dwc-> jcerwinske: no, I use a bike helmet still, but I ground myself first just in other ways
Feb 02 21:23:09 * PatrickC lives in a log home
Feb 02 21:23:12 <PatrickC> no carpet at all
Feb 02 21:23:46 <destinal> PatrickC: assembly problems reassembling the board could damage it irreparably on power on too though
Feb 02 21:24:46 <PatrickC> destinal, well, now the phone that had a bad wifi radio decided it won't activate
Feb 02 21:24:56 <jcerwinske> dwc: I like to put on a wool sweater and rub balloons all over before I do any electronics work...
Feb 02 21:25:02 <PatrickC> back into a sprint pre- on 1.4.5 for activation
Feb 02 21:25:44 <dwc-> jcerwinske: that's always good
Feb 02 21:26:53 <destinal> PatrickC: activation bypass?  or devicetool.jar?
Feb 02 21:27:16 <PatrickC> destinal, no data
Feb 02 21:27:26 <PatrickC> so i cant provision on 2.2.4 and get it
Feb 02 22:09:10 <PatrickC> ugh.. now i get phone offline on the pre- :/
Feb 02 22:14:18 <ka6sox> ...
Feb 02 22:25:56 <dwc-> sounds like progress
Feb 02 23:03:12 <rwhitby> http://www.peek.ly/blog/news/old-peeks-testbeds/
Feb 02 23:04:39 <summatusmentis> wait, $30?
Feb 02 23:05:30 <summatusmentis> or I guess, just the cost of the shipping label
Feb 02 23:05:32 <summatusmentis> neat
Feb 02 23:07:43 <summatusmentis> rwhitby: so how many are you asking for as webOS devices? ;)
Feb 02 23:25:34 <PatrickC> got the radio fixed
Feb 02 23:25:39 <PatrickC> :)
Feb 03 00:02:10 * PatrickC had Tux on the screen for 6 minutes before luna started..
Feb 03 00:46:49 <chandoo> how to install .ipk file from novaterm command line without preware
Feb 03 00:54:42 <PatrickC> you have to have the SDK installed or have webOS Quick Install
Feb 03 00:54:48 <PatrickC> or you can leave...
Feb 03 01:08:42 <bhuey> awesome
Feb 03 01:08:53 <bhuey> http://www.webosnation.com/webos-internals-releases-enyo-unloved-webos-smartphones-1
Feb 03 01:09:08 <PatrickC> i thought all phones got the update?
Feb 03 01:20:15 <rwhitby> PatrickC: you probably also think that all phones are able to access the app catalog ...
Feb 03 01:21:13 <PatrickC> rwhitby, ah, never thought about those
Feb 03 01:21:13 <PatrickC> i just figured you guys made it so easy, why wouldnt people do it
Feb 03 01:21:14 <PatrickC> if they have preware access, they also have impostah access.. would be my assumption
Feb 03 01:21:22 <bhuey> hey rwhitby
Feb 03 01:21:54 <rwhitby> hey bhuey
Feb 03 01:21:58 <scoutcamper> "assumption"
Feb 03 01:22:19 <PatrickC> scoutcamper, if they can download a patch, they can download impostah, correct?
Feb 03 01:22:26 <scoutcamper> assume nothing.
Feb 03 01:22:40 <PatrickC> my previous statement is correct though, isnt it?
Feb 03 01:22:51 * rwhitby gets out the popcorn
Feb 03 01:23:16 <PatrickC> they could also just make a meta-doctor if they didn't want to use impostah. its easy enough
Feb 03 01:23:46 <RagingMind> unless they only have windows and don't want to put the time into a VM or dual booting their computer
Feb 03 01:23:51 * ka6sox breaks out the Beer and pretzels
Feb 03 01:23:59 <PatrickC> RagingMind, then they can use Impostah
Feb 03 01:24:00 * halfhalo sells tickets
Feb 03 01:24:04 <PatrickC> that requires no extra skills
Feb 03 01:24:29 <RagingMind> PatrickC, there are lots of things that people *can* do but still do not do for various reasons.
Feb 03 01:24:32 <scoutcamper> PatrickC, that assumes the user has done reaserch, knows about meta-doctor, or is not lazy. its far easier to install a patch.
Feb 03 01:24:49 <rwhitby> Enyo package is not a patch
Feb 03 01:25:00 <PatrickC> wasn't there a patch out at 1.4.5 times that allowed one to activate over wifi?
Feb 03 01:25:17 <scoutcamper> s/a patch/the enyo 1.0 package/
Feb 03 01:25:17 <infobot> scoutcamper meant: PatrickC, that assumes the user has done reaserch, knows about meta-doctor, or is not lazy. its far easier to install the enyo 1.0 package.
Feb 03 01:25:26 <bhuey> rwhitby: that's so killer that the Enyo thing was released for older devices
Feb 03 01:25:28 <ka6sox> PatrickC, where do you EVER find these little tidbits?
Feb 03 01:25:33 <bhuey> hey ka6sox
Feb 03 01:25:40 <ka6sox> hiya bhuey
Feb 03 01:25:41 <PatrickC> ka6sox, which one?
Feb 03 01:25:46 <ka6sox> ANY of them
Feb 03 01:25:57 <PatrickC> not sure what statement you're talking about
Feb 03 01:25:59 <PatrickC> lol
Feb 03 01:26:15 <halfhalo> this is better than daytime court tv.
Feb 03 01:26:15 * bhuey is getting hungry and wanting to check out Ice Sandwich at a Verizon store
Feb 03 01:26:30 * scoutcamper goes back to lurking and eating crackers and cheese
Feb 03 01:26:33 <ka6sox> if your average of getting things right was a batting average...the Pitcher would be a Star...
Feb 03 01:26:34 <bhuey> Ice Cream Sandwich
Feb 03 01:27:07 <PatrickC> http://www.webosnation.com/bypass-activation-webos-1-x
Feb 03 01:27:15 <PatrickC> thats what im talking about for activating over wifi
Feb 03 01:27:16 <RagingMind> bhuey, don't leave us :(
Feb 03 01:27:28 <bhuey> eh ? :)
Feb 03 01:27:33 <bhuey> just checking it out man :)
Feb 03 01:27:54 <bhuey> It looked kind of cool and I wanted to see how cool it was
Feb 03 01:28:00 <RagingMind> my BF likes my pre3, but we both figured it'd be better for him to get something with ICS
Feb 03 01:28:40 <ka6sox> PatrickC, how is an APPLICATION that runs on your computer become a "Patch that anyone can download"?
Feb 03 01:28:58 <PatrickC> ka6sox,
Feb 03 01:28:59 <PatrickC> Select patches and do a search for the "Enable Profile Creation - Activation Bypassed" patch.
Feb 03 01:29:05 <PatrickC> that was in *preware*
Feb 03 01:29:16 * bhuey bails
Feb 03 01:29:17 <bhuey> later
Feb 03 01:29:21 <PatrickC> but could also be downloaded via webOSQI in the patches feed
Feb 03 01:29:22 <ka6sox> later
Feb 03 01:29:26 <PatrickC> cya bhuey
Feb 03 01:34:34 <ka6sox> so, PatrickC if you have a NEW device that does not have developer mode turned on how do you use WOSQI?
Feb 03 01:34:53 <PatrickC> ka6sox, how do you use Preware to install the new Enyo app?
Feb 03 01:34:56 <ka6sox> (not saying there are any unactivated 1.4.5 devices left the worlds.
Feb 03 01:34:59 <PatrickC> if you are in the same situation*
Feb 03 01:35:49 <PatrickC> ka6sox, either way, the device has to go into developer mode. and normally, the user will use WOSQI to install preware..
Feb 03 01:36:04 <ka6sox> are you so sure?
Feb 03 01:36:27 <destinal> devicetool.jar,   palm-install preware ipk
Feb 03 01:36:33 <ka6sox> I haven't used WOSQI to install preware EVER.
Feb 03 01:36:36 <PatrickC> destinal, then they are in preware
Feb 03 01:36:48 <PatrickC> ka6sox, ok, well, they still have to install preware
Feb 03 01:36:51 <PatrickC> which then hosts the patch
Feb 03 01:36:51 <ka6sox> PatrickC, read that again.
Feb 03 01:37:08 <PatrickC> ka6sox, i understand that you've never used WOSQI to install it
Feb 03 01:37:10 <destinal> PatrickC:  SDK?  palm-install?
Feb 03 01:37:20 <PatrickC> destinal, again, developer mode still has to be enabled
Feb 03 01:37:30 <PatrickC> destinal, referring to "<ka6sox> so, PatrickC if you have a NEW device that does not have developer mode turned on how do you use WOSQI?"
Feb 03 01:37:36 <destinal> PatrickC: devicetool.jar will do that for you
Feb 03 01:37:39 <PatrickC> they still have to have dev mode enabled to use palm-install
Feb 03 01:37:41 <PatrickC> destinal, exactly
Feb 03 01:37:49 <PatrickC> then they have access to both preware and the patch
Feb 03 01:38:05 <ka6sox> but this isn't somethign that is "easy for anyone to do"
Feb 03 01:38:17 <PatrickC> ka6sox, if they can install preware, they can install a patch...
Feb 03 01:38:25 <PatrickC> its not that hard... "click"
Feb 03 01:38:31 <PatrickC> s/click/tap/
Feb 03 01:38:33 <infobot> PatrickC meant: its not that hard... "tap"
Feb 03 01:39:48 <ka6sox> I would not let my Mother attempt this... so your "blanket" statement doesn't hold up.
Feb 03 01:40:27 <ka6sox> you make BRASH assumptions that often are proven WRONG...
Feb 03 01:40:32 <PatrickC> ka6sox, ok. fine. ill rephrase
Feb 03 01:40:47 * rwhitby also notes that some email address top-level domains are explicitly excluded from being able to be used for a palm profile.
Feb 03 01:40:55 <rwhitby> hence, unable to get maps update.
Feb 03 01:41:04 <PatrickC> if they are knowledgeable enough to know what enyo is, then they should be able to install a patch
Feb 03 01:41:06 <rwhitby> hence, need enyo in Preware
Feb 03 01:41:09 <PatrickC> rwhitby, that i never knew
Feb 03 01:41:13 <PatrickC> that is a very valid reason
Feb 03 01:41:28 <PatrickC> ka6sox's reason that they don't know how doesn't hold up as well as that one
Feb 03 01:41:48 <rwhitby> Let alone devices which have intentionally had their palm profile removed so that the device does not wipe, but still want to be able to install enyo apps from Preware (like wTerm) in the future
Feb 03 01:42:06 * scoutcamper has several of those
Feb 03 01:42:13 * ka6sox does too
Feb 03 01:42:19 <PatrickC> again, a valid point. but also again, ka6sox's reason isn't like that one
Feb 03 01:42:38 <rwhitby> PatrickC: so, "I thought all phones got the update" seems a bit presumptuous, no?
Feb 03 01:42:50 <PatrickC> rwhitby, now that i have this new info that you gave me, yes
Feb 03 01:42:58 <PatrickC> but before you said any of that, no it didnt
Feb 03 01:43:20 <destinal> PatrickC: it's still cool to release enyo 1.0 for everything regardless, lots of edge cases
Feb 03 01:43:27 <PatrickC> destinal, yes it is
Feb 03 01:43:52 <PatrickC> and i retract my statement now (now that i know that some emails can't even be used with a palm profile)
Feb 03 01:44:00 <rwhitby> let alone the ability to now release an enyo 1.1 with community-sourced bug fixes or improvements through Preware ...
Feb 03 01:44:03 <PatrickC> which would totally make my statement false
Feb 03 01:44:15 <PatrickC> rwhitby, that is also a good thing
Feb 03 01:44:34 <rwhitby> I usually don't spend an hour of my life doing stuff which makes no sense.
Feb 03 01:44:47 <rwhitby> (although some may argue that participation here sometimes falls in that category)
Feb 03 01:44:53 <PatrickC> rwhitby, and it does make sense now (to me at least)
Feb 03 02:24:49 <mattguyver> hey guys
Feb 03 02:25:14 <mattguyver> I am looking for the preware software but I can't seem to find the file anywhere
Feb 03 02:26:54 <oclet> i bet if it was up your butt you'd know it
Feb 03 02:27:05 <mattguyver> lmao
Feb 03 02:27:07 <Compn> mattguyver : did you read the wikipage ?
Feb 03 02:27:12 <Compn> on webos-internals site
Feb 03 02:27:15 <mattguyver> yeah I am feelinf kinda stupid
Feb 03 02:27:21 <Compn> preware wiki page
Feb 03 02:27:25 <mattguyver> im gonna go back to the wiki
Feb 03 02:27:38 <mattguyver> my eyes are getting tired and maybe I missed it
Feb 03 02:28:12 <Compn> http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware
Feb 03 02:39:53 <ka6sox> mattguyver, get.preware.org
Feb 03 02:42:36 <mattguyver> Thank you ka6sox. I had no problem installing it but I didnt have the file to install
Feb 03 02:44:48 <mattguyver> Now I really know my eyes are tired. I see it in the wiki now thanks guys
Feb 03 02:44:56 <mattguyver> Im going to get some sleep
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