**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 03 02:59:57 2012 Feb 03 06:19:11 SATAN Feb 03 06:20:20 WHERE! Feb 03 06:34:58 Get Behind Me Feb 03 06:35:42 The Enyo for older devices thing is pretty freak'n great Feb 03 17:10:09 ~eoma68 Feb 03 17:10:10 [eoma68] Embedded Open Modular Architecture 55mm x 85mm card with a 68 pin connector http://elinux.org/Embedded_Open_Modular_Architecture/EOMA-68 Feb 03 17:32:22 Howdy. Anyone have a clue why my patch submission update was denied? It's just blank for the reasons why. Feb 03 17:47:14 hmm, getting segfaults when trying to use ssh on touchpad Feb 03 17:48:38 bhuey: yeah the fact that we can package up enyo and put it in feeds now is awesome. (go OSS) Feb 03 18:12:05 Abyssul, what was the name of the patch? Feb 03 19:07:17 hey destinal Feb 03 19:07:24 yeah I know it's great Feb 03 19:10:53 bhuey: just a taste of things to come too I suppose Feb 03 19:11:43 so is the ssh opware package borked? I get segfaults trying to ssh to my desktop from both my Touchpad and my Pre 2 Feb 03 19:35:59 destinal: hopefully Feb 03 19:36:21 wouldn't mind help with forward porting a couple of kernels from recent Palm/HP devices Feb 03 19:49:00 jcerwinske: fwiw openssh on 3.0.5 touchpad is non functional for me, too. not sure what is wrong. Feb 03 19:49:32 sethron: you get a segfault when attempting to connect to ssh server? Feb 03 19:50:18 sethron: or something else happen? Feb 03 19:50:29 jcerwinske: well, i never got past the ssh-keygen successfully after a recent trip to the doctor. Feb 03 19:51:40 I'm wondering if this optware bootstrap has anything to do with it... Feb 03 19:53:44 sethron / jcerwinske : i updated openssh package in preware and it worked after 3.0.5 update in touchpad Feb 03 19:54:44 I have 5.9.1-3 failing on 2 seperate devices Feb 03 19:55:10 but i dont ssh out from touchpad to desktop Feb 03 19:55:14 i ssh from desktop to touchpad ;P Feb 03 19:55:54 I want to use TP too ssh into my workstation Feb 03 19:55:56 Compn: ssh-keygen was not acting as as per the wiki http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 03 19:56:48 I didn't think you had to do keygen unless you were ssh-ing INTO the webOS device... Feb 03 19:56:55 it created the public key as '?.pub' in /opt/bin Feb 03 19:57:15 if you are ssh'ing to your workstation, you have to copy your workstation key to your tp Feb 03 19:57:30 or maybe tp key to workstation ;) Feb 03 19:57:36 i dunno tho Feb 03 19:57:43 sethron : hmm, sounds busted Feb 03 19:57:51 a lot of things changed with that update ;\ Feb 03 19:57:59 jcerwinske: my intention is to sftp into it from a pc, after genreating the keys on the TouchPad and copying them over Feb 03 19:59:01 I guess I should run ssh-keygen as root and not wterm user... Feb 03 20:05:38 ya, as root with wTerm and Xecutah Feb 03 20:12:23 hmm keygen seems whacked compared to instructions Feb 03 20:13:27 I created id_rsa file (/home/root/.ssh/id_rsa) Feb 03 20:13:53 according to the wiki "Copy the "id_rsa" and "id_rsa.pub" files to your PC" Feb 03 20:14:01 I have no id_rsa.pub file... Feb 03 20:14:51 message from ssh-keygen: "Your identification has been saved in 0." "Your public key has been saved in 0.pub" Feb 03 20:15:09 saved in 0? Feb 03 20:15:29 ya it created it as ?.pub in /opt/bin, I recall Feb 03 20:15:36 wierd Feb 03 20:17:24 Oh, I see it in just / now Feb 03 20:24:00 jcerwinske: i just ran /opt/bin/ssh-keygen in /home/root/.ssh i then entered the path as /home/root/.ssh/my_rsa. both keys are present there as my_rsa and my_rsa.pub Feb 03 20:24:34 hmm, I just hit enter when it told me to pick a path... Feb 03 20:24:39 for default Feb 03 20:25:00 been following this: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 03 20:25:26 jcerwinske: ya, i did prevously too, i'll attempt now to transfer the keys Feb 03 20:29:24 jcerwinske: that seems to have worked, now can ssh localhost in TP, need to try from PC ... Feb 03 20:29:53 my port 22 doesn't seem to be open... Feb 03 20:32:00 "ssh localhost - "ssh:connecto to host localhost port 22: Connection refused" Feb 03 20:32:16 it's like openssh isn't even running.... Feb 03 20:34:50 sethron: do you have didicated ext3 partition via meta-doctor? Feb 03 20:35:06 oww That hurts message.. guess i didn't exit usb correctly Feb 03 20:35:37 jcerwinske: i do not, but i do have the /opt bootstrap Feb 03 20:35:55 I wonder if that is conflicting with that somehow... Feb 03 20:36:13 jcerwinske: it shouldn't Feb 03 20:38:45 bah, I hope I don't have to doctor yet again Feb 03 20:40:17 jcerwinske: openssh and sftp working from pc to touch pad. try creating keys in Xecutah and entering the path as /home/root/.ssh/your_key_name Feb 03 20:42:15 and now, back to playing piratepig ;) Feb 03 20:43:28 "Your identification has been saved in . Your public key has been saved in .pub." Feb 03 20:44:05 jcerwinske: you do have the optware bootstrap? Feb 03 20:44:07 that .pub file is not in /home/root/.ssh Feb 03 20:44:41 yeah it's listed as installed in preware Feb 03 20:45:13 jcerwinske: 1st, cd /home/root/.ssh then run /opt/bin/ssh-keygen ? Feb 03 20:45:35 does mounting the ext3 via fstab mess with optware bootstrap? Feb 03 20:45:42 hi Feb 03 20:45:58 jcerwinske: it does _not_ Feb 03 20:46:00 how to install ipk file from command line, say from novaterm Feb 03 20:46:25 chandoo: palm-install ? Feb 03 20:46:50 no palm-install in touchpad Feb 03 20:47:29 chandoo: why not install it from the host? Feb 03 20:47:30 sethron: should I be seeing some kind of sshd running if I run ps aux? Feb 03 20:47:46 chandoo: palm-install whatever.idk on the machine you're novaterming in from Feb 03 20:47:56 s/idk/ipk/ Feb 03 20:47:57 destinal meant: chandoo: palm-install whatever.ipk on the machine you're novaterming in from Feb 03 20:48:19 jcerwinske: not sure, try /opt/sbin/sshd -D Feb 03 20:49:20 wait, am I supposed to kick off sshd manually? Feb 03 20:50:08 afaik it ought to be started in event.d Feb 03 20:50:25 maybe I need to restart device... Feb 03 20:51:00 sethron:{ destinal infobot thanks a bunch, i dont know i can run the command from host, it automatically picked up the usb connection to TP Feb 03 20:51:26 is there a wifi install method, for learning purpose? Feb 03 20:53:53 Your identification has been saved in �. Your public key has been saved in �.pub Feb 03 20:53:58 seriously, this is effed Feb 03 20:54:06 amazing filename produced there Feb 03 20:55:03 doctor doctor.... Feb 03 20:55:08 jcerwinske:{ oh pass id_rsa to palm-install? Feb 03 20:55:15 chandoo: not really over wifi currently Feb 03 20:55:35 jcerwinske: creating keys in Xecutah and entering the path as /home/root/.ssh/your_key_name whilst in /home/root/.ssh worked for me Feb 03 20:55:38 chandoo: this has nothing to do with the palm-install stuff Feb 03 20:55:50 jcerwinske:{ i thought it was for me Feb 03 20:56:03 chandoo: shoudl be possible to do novacom over IP like is done with emulator but nobody's done it to a regular device that I know of Feb 03 20:56:52 okay Feb 03 20:57:18 jcerwinske:{ generate keys from command line is very easy with ssh-keygen Feb 03 20:57:39 i pass the id_rsa to ssh and scp to make connection Feb 03 20:57:57 nope, the .pub doesn't get the same filename I gave Feb 03 20:58:11 the message was "Your public key has been saved in .pub." Feb 03 20:58:19 chandoo: you can send files to the device with novacom put file:///var/tmp/whateverfile.name < whateverfile.name Feb 03 20:58:28 but the file I see, which at least came up under /home/root/.ssh is ?.pub Feb 03 20:58:45 bbl Feb 03 20:58:59 chandoo: replace desired filename ie file:///home/root/whatever Feb 03 20:59:01 sethron_: later, thanks for help Feb 03 20:59:02 destinal:{ oh thank you very much, i use to do adb put/get file, Feb 03 20:59:17 so novacom does the same put/get Feb 03 20:59:24 thank you Feb 03 20:59:26 chandoo: similarly novacom get file:///etc/hosts > hosts or whatever Feb 03 20:59:40 note that it uses stdin and stdout, thus the > or < Feb 03 21:00:03 okay Feb 03 21:00:20 are they good for binary files? Feb 03 21:00:27 chandoo: yes it's 8-bit clean Feb 03 21:01:42 chandoo: like palm-install and novaterm, novacom commands are run on the host side Feb 03 21:02:01 similar to adb put / get except those details i mentioned Feb 03 21:02:20 destinal:{ yeh i am familier with novacom and novaterm basic usages Feb 03 21:05:51 i finally removed android to get some space Feb 03 21:42:47 what other opensource apps available for TP, i already installed openssh and touchplayer, any other interesting apps, or we can build some Feb 03 21:43:11 jcerwinske / sethron_ : how are you connected to your touchpad when you get your funny ?.pub and 0.pub ssh files Feb 03 21:43:56 if you hit just enter at that "where to saev" prompt it should stick it in ~root/.ssh/ Feb 03 21:43:57 I tried via both novacom via usb/linus desktop Feb 03 21:44:04 and via wTerm Feb 03 21:44:06 and via Xterm Feb 03 21:44:24 and that behavior you described did not happen for me... Feb 03 21:44:43 the funny pubs seemed to end up wherever I ran the command from... Feb 03 21:44:59 Also, I want to get a beer at the funny pub, later on tonight Feb 03 21:45:44 that sounds like you're getting some sort of input sent that prompt Feb 03 21:46:02 "where should I save it? (default ~root/blah)" "ok!" Feb 03 21:46:31 in the middle of re-doctoring now... Feb 03 21:46:47 so, do do outbound ssh from a webOS device, you need to generate keys still? Feb 03 21:46:49 what device/version Feb 03 21:46:49 *to do Feb 03 21:46:50 no Feb 03 21:47:00 see I couldn't even get that Feb 03 21:47:04 that's what I wanted in the first place Feb 03 21:47:12 3.0.5 tp AND 2.2.4 franken pre 2 Feb 03 21:47:26 trying to run ssh user@address got me a seg fault Feb 03 21:47:26 what version of openssh, and is that the optware one or the preware one Feb 03 21:47:28 on both devices Feb 03 21:47:45 from preware Feb 03 21:47:57 but trying to install from preware depends on optware bootstrap Feb 03 21:48:05 that's fine Feb 03 21:48:14 I'm just asking because it's a slightly different version if you ipkg-opt install it Feb 03 21:48:38 well, I'm going to try from scratch on this TP... Feb 03 21:49:32 on pre2 though, same behavior Feb 03 21:49:38 installed via preware Feb 03 21:49:48 tp had ext3 partition from meta-doctor Feb 03 21:49:56 pre2 doesn't have that Feb 03 21:50:02 can you verify the version of ssh when you get a chance Feb 03 21:50:28 looks like I have $(latest - 1) on my tp Feb 03 21:52:42 dwc-: the version listed in preware? Feb 03 21:52:58 yes Feb 03 21:53:07 5.9.1-3 Feb 03 21:53:09 on pre2 Feb 03 21:53:16 I think it was exact same on tp.. Feb 03 21:53:50 pre2 has openSSH, optware advanced linux command line installer, and optware bootstrap Feb 03 21:54:00 only optware packages installed on it Feb 03 21:54:10 I never used the command line installer Feb 03 21:54:33 * chandoo wonder what optware is , heard of preware Feb 03 21:56:31 ok I updated my sshd to the latest, seems to work still Feb 03 22:00:52 jcerwinske: it seems there is some transient bug which causes those weird filenames. We have not been able to determine under what conditions it occurs. Feb 03 22:01:15 the work-around is to generate your keys on a desktop and then copy them across to the device Feb 03 22:02:14 fair enough.. I'll try again via TP if it'll help you track it down though Feb 03 22:02:26 * rwhitby assumes chandoo has by now done a google search for Optware and found the pages on our wiki, so won't bother explaining it Feb 03 22:02:47 jcerwinske: it seems to be related to some cryptofs bug Feb 03 22:03:14 jcerwinske: try installing only one package at a time (multiple package installs seem to trigger it), and reboot before installing the last package which does the key generation Feb 03 22:03:48 k, I'll let you know how it goes.... Feb 03 22:04:16 as for my seg fault issues.... they might be caused by our corporate network doing something weird... Feb 03 22:04:43 My search foo seems to be failing -- anybody have more in depth info/reading about the data at rest encryption that's showed up in 2.2.4? Feb 03 22:05:35 rwhitby:{ yes i found it Feb 03 22:09:09 rwhitby: do I still need to manually add an fstab entry for the ext3 partition, or does the optware bootstrap take care of that? Feb 03 22:09:33 you need to add the fstab Feb 03 22:09:54 k Feb 03 22:09:57 (that allows you to choose to mount it in some other way, or from some other place, etc) Feb 03 22:10:05 rwhitby:{ any links on optware for touchpad Feb 03 22:15:44 nothing special about optware on touchpad vs other webos devices Feb 03 22:26:39 blargh, I have to wait for all these apps to sync since I doctored, so I have to wait to install ssh... Feb 03 22:36:08 alright, heading home so I can finish this with a stiff drink... Feb 03 22:37:34 rwhitby: thanks for the tips. I FINALLY got my "touch sensations" rebate... donation coming webosinternals' way Feb 03 22:41:47 what will be the patch of the installed applications like com.xxxx Feb 03 22:43:14 what will be the path of the installed applications like com.xxxx Feb 03 22:44:23 chandoo, what do you mean? Feb 03 22:44:44 like where do .ipk files get installed Feb 03 22:44:54 all installed apps are in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm Feb 03 22:45:14 jcerwinske_work: cheers Feb 03 22:46:03 rwhitby, ill be sending WOSI a pre2 and a pre3 soon (just need to make sure i don't have any other use for them) Feb 03 22:46:23 the pre3 i know is dead to me (no way for me to recover it) need to make sure the pre2 just has the flash issue. then ill send them off Feb 03 22:46:25 rwhitby:{ thanks Feb 03 22:47:00 * PatrickC is getting off Feb 03 22:47:02 bbl Feb 03 22:48:08 rwhitby: why were my patch updates for the sms vibrate patch denined? The email doesnt give any reason. Feb 03 22:48:51 Abyssul: when was that? there are multiple people who process the patches Feb 03 22:49:06 usually it's due to the patch not applying cleanly Feb 03 22:49:10 Jan 4th Feb 03 22:49:35 I thought they went through since I've never had it denied before but a member asked me why they wernt showing up for his pre3. Feb 03 22:50:52 submit it now and I'll take a look Feb 03 22:51:15 Agh Feb 03 22:53:54 Meh, I dont have the patches anymore. Feb 03 23:04:58 dwc-: was on a recently stock 3.0.5 doctored Touchpad using Xecutah/XTerm running /opt/bin/ssh-keygen. I also attempted ssh-keygen with wTerm as root. Feb 03 23:05:12 rwhitby, how do I distinguish between the Pre3 version of 2.2.4 and the Pre2 version? Feb 03 23:05:19 (for patch submission) Feb 03 23:09:29 you can't Feb 03 23:10:07 Wouldn't that be a problem for compatibility? Feb 03 23:11:00 2.2.4 should be the same code on both for patches. Feb 03 23:11:10 mmk Feb 03 23:11:19 kernel and binaries of course are different Feb 03 23:13:47 Anyone have a Pre2/Pre3 to test this patch on? Feb 03 23:39:46 hola me pueden ayudar Feb 03 23:40:11 app catalog Feb 03 23:51:35 rwhitby, sent patches. Feb 03 23:52:38 Abyssul: any way those can be turned into on patch that uses Tweaks to set the duration? Feb 03 23:52:43 s/on/one/ Feb 03 23:52:43 rwhitby meant: Abyssul: any way those can be turned into one patch that uses Tweaks to set the duration? Feb 03 23:54:24 Thats outside my realm of commitment Feb 03 23:55:15 Abyssul: the first patch fails on 1.4.5 Feb 03 23:55:30 Are you testing the patch on the versions you are selecting? Feb 03 23:55:30 It only for 2.2.4 Feb 03 23:55:44 then you should only select 2.2.4 Feb 03 23:56:02 Oh, it isn't described as that. It can be misleading Feb 03 23:56:22 "Compatible webOS Versions(s)" Feb 03 23:56:35 which webOS versions does this patch file you are submitting apply to Feb 03 23:56:59 But its an update, so I am including the new patch into the list of compatible versions. I suck at reading directions. My bad Feb 03 23:57:09 are all your current submissions only for 2.2.4 ? Feb 03 23:57:35 you only select earlier versions if you want the file you are submitting to replace that file for those earlier versions too Feb 03 23:57:49 Yeah. Only 2.2.4 Feb 03 23:59:43 Whats an example of a tweaks patch so I can review its source code? Feb 04 00:00:24 Look for green icons in Preware Feb 04 00:02:17 or for .json files in github/webos-internals/patches Feb 04 00:09:15 anyone know how to get bing map to reinstall after webos 2.1 update? Google Maps shows there and tells me to update to the new maps app but the App Catalog thinks its still installed and only says "tap to launch". Feb 04 00:16:59 back at home... took old touchpad, installed openssh, got sshd running on windows box, try to ssh in from touchpad and get Segmentation Fault Feb 04 00:17:19 happens to me on 3 devices sshing into at least 3 different servers Feb 04 00:18:00 can you strace it? Feb 04 00:20:57 hang on I'll pastebin it Feb 04 00:21:33 * rwhitby bbiab Feb 04 00:32:23 pastebin.com/uCBqzy7K Feb 04 00:33:12 http://pastebin.com/uCBqzy7K Feb 04 01:13:04 ... Feb 04 01:14:51 Is this valid? http://pastebin.com/ujB8bNxA Feb 04 01:15:32 normally the "this.nVibrateLength" is a number, but is this the right why to put a variable into it? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 04 02:59:58 2012