**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 04 02:59:58 2012 Feb 04 09:43:01 Hi Feb 04 09:44:07 How to go about creating a page on webos-internals: i'd like to document the cross-compilation of Qt 4.8 for webos Feb 04 09:47:57 do you have an account on the wiki? Feb 04 09:48:39 tdo ^^^^ Feb 04 09:48:49 yep Feb 04 09:49:03 have you responded to the email query? Feb 04 09:49:22 Member of groups: Autoconfirmed users, Users Feb 04 09:49:29 and your username? Feb 04 09:49:31 E-mail confirmation: Your e-mail address was authenticated on 18 December 2011 at 20:36. Feb 04 09:49:33 (onthe wiki) Feb 04 09:49:42 DanRog Feb 04 09:49:49 okay stby 1 Feb 04 09:49:56 thanks Feb 04 09:50:37 try now please Feb 04 09:50:55 yes - now i've the edit button Feb 04 09:51:12 cheers! enjoy...and I look forward to the page! Feb 04 09:51:25 any advice where to link from - will be a step by step guide on crosscompilation of qt - so I plan to link from Portal:tools Feb 04 09:51:45 start there, and if we need to move it we can. Feb 04 09:51:47 tanks Feb 04 09:51:49 thanks Feb 04 09:52:01 okay - see you around Feb 04 09:52:07 yw...nite Feb 04 12:22:36 hi,everybody,I need help,can anyone help me?! Feb 04 12:23:09 how can I start ubuntu Feb 04 12:23:52 I always installed xrcutah,xserver & ubuntu Feb 04 12:24:26 and created ext3fs directory Feb 04 12:28:41 not anyone can help me Feb 04 12:31:57 is there anyone can use xecutah? Feb 04 16:32:44 run xecutah Feb 04 22:12:43 hi Feb 04 22:13:11 hola Feb 04 22:13:13 i am looking to install theme-manager, is there a way i can install it without beta-testing repo Feb 04 22:13:47 i see enyo 1.0 in preware, is it safe to install enyo, it says it is for older webos Feb 04 22:14:25 uhm... you could download the ipk directly and palm-install it if you have the SDK installed Feb 04 22:14:34 you are still going to get the same version that is in preware Feb 04 22:14:42 enyo? Feb 04 22:14:52 theme manager Feb 04 22:15:08 i dont see it in preware Feb 04 22:15:20 for enyo, it is in the release feeds, so it /should/ be safe Feb 04 22:15:28 does your preware have the beta feeds installed? Feb 04 22:15:34 no Feb 04 22:15:35 if not, you won't see it in preware Feb 04 22:16:00 what I meant was download the theme manager IPK directly to your computer and use palm-install, which is part of the SDK to install it Feb 04 22:16:06 but you would still be getting the beta version Feb 04 22:16:19 a dumb question, do themes in touchpad make it slow? Feb 04 22:16:32 and you wouldn't be getting any updates for it until it comes out of the beta feeds Feb 04 22:16:40 it depends on what that theme does Feb 04 22:16:57 I personally do not use any themes Feb 04 22:17:08 okay Feb 04 22:17:16 in fact my franken-pre has the stock wallpaper ;) Feb 04 22:17:24 thanks for comments cryptk Feb 04 22:17:31 no problem Feb 04 22:17:35 i use wallpapers in touchpad Feb 04 22:17:44 yeah, I just don'e have any cool ones Feb 04 22:17:50 I used to do themes Feb 04 22:17:56 why can't wee put apps on wallpaper in touchpad Feb 04 22:17:56 back with my original sprint pre Feb 04 22:18:23 but I test so many random things, and because I test bleeding edge things, they break things that require a doctor a lot Feb 04 22:18:47 wooooow any cool things i can try? Feb 04 22:18:50 after wiping your phone X number of times and having to reinstall patches, themes, etc, you stop worrying about the lesser things Feb 04 22:18:51 folks Feb 04 22:18:57 hola bhuey Feb 04 22:19:05 chandoo, I am talking about just random stuff over time Feb 04 22:19:51 cryptk, do you use TP as well Feb 04 22:19:54 I am in WebOS-Internals, so if another member writes something and says "I need someone to test this, and it might destroy your phone if it doesn't work" then we test it on our own devices Feb 04 22:19:55 hey cryptk Feb 04 22:20:00 * bhuey has a plan Feb 04 22:20:09 chandoo, I do have a touchpad, and I love it Feb 04 22:20:35 I saw a guy at work last night with a touchpad still wrapped in that stickey plastic that it ships in Feb 04 22:20:56 and then I mentioned that I was in -Internals and to let me know when he was ready to hack it up Feb 04 22:21:11 next thing I knew, there were people surrounding me asking me questions, lol Feb 04 22:21:28 turns out, IT people like webOS Feb 04 22:21:31 cryptk, great to know, Feb 04 22:21:50 * chandoo will look for cryptk next time and every time for cool suggestions Feb 04 22:22:12 chandoo, trust me... the things I test on my devices, you don't want to test on yours Feb 04 22:22:26 any one example Feb 04 22:23:00 if uNiXpSyChO or jhojho say they have a new kernel for testing, and that it might set my phone on fire because it is some nre amazingly fast overclock, and they need someone to test it Feb 04 22:23:10 and that it is 90% chance to destroy the phone permanantly Feb 04 22:23:15 I install it and test it Feb 04 22:23:44 basically, everything I test is pre-alpha, super buggy, highly likely to destroy things Feb 04 22:23:54 we sacrifice our phones and tablets so you don't have to Feb 04 22:24:18 the donations don't go to waste... ;) Feb 04 22:24:47 someone has to be the "guinea pig" and we prefer that to be ourselves Feb 04 22:25:21 bhuey, please describe this plan Feb 04 22:25:27 * cryptk is curious Feb 04 22:25:44 in /msg if you prefer ;) Feb 04 22:28:34 plan or evil plot to take over the world? Feb 04 22:30:42 cryptk, great to know you Feb 04 22:31:00 same ;) Feb 04 22:31:19 i recently started out of interest, to compile opensource software for touchpad Feb 04 22:31:38 i had setup the palm sdk and install code sourcery tool chain and novacom drivers Feb 04 22:32:03 chandoo, many things are already compatible with the touchpad and the phones though optware Feb 04 22:32:12 i tried with openssh, partially sccessful Feb 04 22:32:12 not to discourage you Feb 04 22:32:27 cryptk, i see it is there, i am doing for learning purpose Feb 04 22:32:31 just check optware if you plan to port something, it may have already been done, at which point you can move on to something else Feb 04 22:32:44 ahh, if you are doing it to learn, go for it! Feb 04 22:34:00 cryptk, i came accross optware , but how to install them on TP Feb 04 22:34:12 any link or example, i am beginner Feb 04 22:34:19 its on the wiki Feb 04 22:34:43 #topic Feb 04 22:35:04 install optware bootstrap through preware, some of them we have made into preware packages, the rest are installable through ipkg-opt on the phones command line Feb 04 22:35:15 wiki.webos-internals.org is a great resource Feb 04 22:35:30 s/wiki/www/ Feb 04 22:35:31 cryptk meant: www.webos-internals.org is a great resource Feb 04 22:35:45 embarrassing when I get out own URL wrong... Feb 04 22:39:14 oh i am getting it now Feb 04 22:40:04 i installed openwrt on my dlink router, god what a stable system, i never rebooted my Dlink dir-825 dual band wifi router after openwrt installation Feb 04 22:40:30 i know commands which i use ipkg update Feb 04 22:40:37 * cryptk had openwrt on a router before also, never had problems with it Feb 04 22:40:56 it was rock solid Feb 04 22:41:20 so first steps is to install optware bootstrap Feb 04 22:43:45 cryptk, looks like i already have optware bootstrap installed on touchpad Feb 04 22:44:02 in preware i remove button in preware Feb 04 22:44:09 if you novaterm into your phone, you should have a command ipkg-opt Feb 04 22:44:20 that will install ipkg packages from optware ;) Feb 04 22:44:31 it is also used by a few other packages in preware Feb 04 22:45:15 let me login from my linux machine, i have all things setup there, see you in a min Feb 04 22:49:20 * chandoo back from linux desktop Feb 04 22:51:22 cryptk:{ there is no opkg in touchpad Feb 04 22:51:32 i am in novaterm connected to TP Feb 04 22:51:40 chandoo, ipkg-opt IIRC Feb 04 22:51:51 I haven't used it in a bit, so I could be wrong Feb 04 22:52:13 cryptk:{ ipkg-opt is there Feb 04 22:52:20 that's it then Feb 04 22:52:26 that will install packages from optware Feb 04 22:52:32 just remember Feb 04 22:52:41 you are getting into dangerous territory Feb 04 22:52:53 not everything in optware as been tested on webOS Feb 04 22:53:25 anything you install could potentially wipe your device, set your house on fire or kick puppies Feb 04 22:54:16 and considering that there are literally thousands of packages in optware, there is a 99% chance that you will install something that nobody in WebOS-Internals has experience with Feb 04 22:54:30 you have been warned Feb 04 22:56:15 okay Feb 04 22:56:37 i don't install unless your guyz say it is safe to install on TP Feb 04 22:56:58 woow looks like already so many packages are installed Feb 04 22:57:08 If we have tested it and determined it safe, then it will likely be packaged up and put into preware Feb 04 22:57:20 okay Feb 04 22:57:39 is there a novaterm shell command Feb 04 22:57:41 there are literally thousands of packages in optware.... we can't possibly test them all Feb 04 22:57:55 novaterm puts you into a shell on the device Feb 04 22:57:55 like running command from host Feb 04 22:58:08 not sure what you mean Feb 04 22:58:24 like novaterm shell 'ipkg list_installed' Feb 04 22:58:45 oh Feb 04 22:58:51 :) Feb 04 22:59:11 i use to do same command in adb Feb 04 22:59:15 like a way if you are on your computer, to run a command on the phone/tablet without opening up a full novaterm? Feb 04 22:59:27 yes Feb 04 22:59:48 you can do it, give me a few to mess with it and remember how Feb 04 23:01:21 i am not sure with novaterm, i know it is there with adb in android Feb 04 23:01:55 novacom run file:///bin/sh Feb 04 23:02:09 that's it! Feb 04 23:03:34 halfhalo:{ thanks :) Feb 04 23:04:49 http://fpaste.org/o9fB/ Feb 04 23:05:07 packages i have on TP Feb 04 23:06:54 cryptk:{ any interesting optware packages Feb 04 23:08:08 i can't believe i have 670 packages from optware Feb 04 23:08:19 they aren't all from optware Feb 04 23:08:24 webOS uses ipk packages Feb 04 23:08:31 ipkg-opt uses ipk packages Feb 04 23:08:46 so ipkg-opt knows about all of the other ipk's installed on the device Feb 04 23:08:58 not all of them came from optware, but they are all ipk's Feb 04 23:10:02 oh may be i am using ipkg list_installed Feb 04 23:10:18 ipkg-opt list_installed don't show any thing Feb 04 23:13:12 so i dont have anything from ipkg-opt Feb 04 23:13:51 are the codecs tested on TP like flac, openjpeg, xvid Feb 04 23:17:59 cryptk:{ what you mean by tested, i see dstat package , testing means install it and see if it works or not? Feb 04 23:18:30 or there is any other methodology you guyz already devized for testing Feb 04 23:22:46 install it... does device die Feb 04 23:23:01 use it, does device die, does package work Feb 04 23:23:08 use it for a few days Feb 04 23:23:16 does device die, does package still work Feb 04 23:23:26 at that point, we put it in alpha Feb 04 23:23:55 the alpha feeds are basically "someone installed this one time and had some success" Feb 04 23:24:07 then it gets worked on, some bugs fixed Feb 04 23:24:27 once someone says "hey this is coming along really nicely, it's pretty useful now" it go's into beta Feb 04 23:24:50 then once someone says "this works really well" it go's into production feeds Feb 04 23:25:07 so basically.... unless you can definitely afford a new device, stay away from alpha Feb 04 23:25:23 unless you can probably afford a new device, stay away from beta Feb 04 23:25:26 okay Feb 04 23:25:43 production should be "reasonably safe" but still comes with no warranty Feb 04 23:27:40 okay thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 05 02:59:59 2012