**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 05 02:59:59 2012 Feb 05 07:38:56 PatrickC_Away, send to Jack87 instead WOSI has too many anyway ;) **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 05 08:38:09 2012 Feb 05 09:41:40 this is pretty cool http://forums.webosnation.com/hp-touchpad-homebrew/299119-printing-any-printer-using-touchpad-solution.html Feb 05 10:12:45 Jack87: nice. that's cool, but we still need something that can do it on the touchpad Feb 05 10:12:56 this is a good workaround for now though Feb 05 10:16:25 destinal, ya for sure. Feb 05 10:44:30 is there any way to get CID and/or LAC on palm pre? Feb 05 11:54:46 come on, I bet someone knows Feb 05 19:16:17 Salut from France ! I just reinstalled my pre³ using the last doctor (2.2.4) and since I just can't install preware... has anyone a clue ? DevMode is enabled, but Quickinstall never stop saying 'installing' Feb 05 19:17:49 rom1dep are other applications being installed/restored? Feb 05 19:18:06 I also tried "PrewareInstaller-1.5.0.exe" with no more luck : it says it's installed but preware doesn't appear (even after a reboot) Feb 05 19:18:43 halfhalo: I got my apps restored (the one from appCatalog but it's different from preware) Feb 05 19:19:25 Hmm. I was going to say that if they were still in the process of being restored, try to install preware in a bit when they are finished. Feb 05 19:20:28 halfhalo: you mean, homebrew apps should be restored after a doctor-reinstall ? I got none Feb 05 19:21:39 no, I mean wait to install them until after the regular apps were installed, since webos likes to install one application at a time Feb 05 19:22:51 halfhalo: yep I waited enough to see a popup sayin my apps were restored, so I guess it's ok... Feb 05 19:33:57 halfhalo: you think there can be a lock on the ipkg database ? Feb 05 19:34:27 no, more like its doing them sequentially, and preware was the last one to queue Feb 05 19:35:17 halfhalo: do you know a way to monitor this queue ? Feb 05 19:36:14 tail -f /var/log/messages on device Feb 05 19:36:23 software manager Feb 05 19:37:06 ^^ that as well for app catalog apps Feb 05 19:37:06 * halfhalo bbiaf Feb 05 19:38:44 outch, the window's 'cmd' is veryveryveryveryvery ugly :( Feb 05 21:35:36 rom1dep: preware intentionally does not install packages when the app catalog is installing stuff. ipkg is not re-entrant safe. Feb 05 21:35:51 dunno about WOSQI - ask Jason Feb 05 21:36:41 palm-install will just sit there until it is its turn to install, which may take quite a while Feb 05 23:11:29 rwhitby: ipkg was doing nothing Feb 05 23:12:08 rwhitby: I think it was a bug with virtualbox, I found a box with a 'real' windows and it finally worked :) Feb 05 23:21:29 oh, you were running on windows? Feb 05 23:21:56 what host device were you on? Feb 05 23:27:04 hey guys, i went to update a patch in Preware and it told me that it required a luna restart Feb 05 23:27:10 so i did that and it never came back up Feb 05 23:27:16 it's stuck at the black screen and glowing HP logo Feb 05 23:27:18 which patch? Feb 05 23:27:30 the one that speeds up the card animations Feb 05 23:27:36 i forget the name of it Feb 05 23:28:22 what webOS version and device? Feb 05 23:28:42 HP Touchpad 32gb, webOS 3.0.5.something Feb 05 23:28:50 "Faster Card Animations HYPER Version" ? Feb 05 23:28:55 yes Feb 05 23:29:16 alright Feb 05 23:29:17 maintainers are xanthinealkaloid and CRaiaSoftware - you can probably PM them on webOSNation.com Feb 05 23:29:20 i reboot it Feb 05 23:29:25 rebooted it Feb 05 23:29:41 that's just what i was doing before it got stuck Feb 05 23:29:58 that's not necessarily the problem and i have no clue how they're going to help me Feb 05 23:30:50 well, it's rebooting, but it seems to be stuck again Feb 05 23:30:54 or not Feb 05 23:31:21 it's back, how do i get out of that stupid glowing HP logo on startup and see diagnostic messages? Feb 05 23:36:24 tail -f /var/log/messages Feb 05 23:37:12 rwhitby: yep I was running windows within a virtualbox container because I have never been able to use the novacom driver with my x86_64 fedora :) Feb 05 23:37:49 oh, no wonder you had problems, using unsupported configurations. It would be good to state when you are using an unsupported configuration up front when asking questions. Feb 05 23:39:03 rwhitby: yes/no/maybe, the fact is that I have always been using virtualbox by the past, and before today it has always worked fine. I didn't knew it was unsuported or so Feb 05 23:39:34 well, supported or not, it's different enough that it should be the first thing you state when asking for assistance. Feb 05 23:40:42 well, ok Feb 05 23:40:48 as of the terminus application Feb 05 23:40:56 has someone reached in making it work ? Feb 05 23:41:13 rom1dep: we could tell you how to get novacom to work on x86_64 fedora, too Feb 05 23:41:35 rom1dep: it's just a libusb issue, using the ubuntu libusb fixes it Feb 05 23:41:36 terminus? use Xecutah or wTerm Feb 05 23:42:19 destinal: you're suggesting to use an ubuntu binary on top of a rpm box ? Feb 05 23:42:55 rom1dep: you can just extract the library ubuntu uses from its .deb and manually rename the existing one and drop it in Feb 05 23:43:02 rwhitby: usually I use xecutah, but I find it too heavy and not really suited, I wanted to give terminus a try :) Feb 05 23:44:02 * rom1dep installs wTerm then tries the 'ubuntu-thing' for novacom Feb 05 23:44:07 rom1dep: the programs with dependencies on libusb need never know :) Feb 05 23:44:59 terminal, sdlterminal, terminus, are all EOL and unsupported as far as I can see. Feb 05 23:45:20 Xecutah and wTerm are the only ones with development and support. Feb 05 23:45:53 rwhitby: and furthermore, redundant. wTerm is way more standard hybrid and way more generally maintainable and upgradable Feb 05 23:46:03 rwhitby: wTerm is for TP, I'm on my pre³ right now Feb 05 23:46:33 rom1dep: I think they just updated wTerm for webos 2.x, but PuffTheMagic would know for sure whether it works properly Feb 05 23:47:01 I think the alpha or beta feed or something has a version that works on the pre3 with a few quirks Feb 05 23:47:30 rom1dep: yep, that is why I'm telling you both, cause wTerm does not cover all webOS devices and versions yet. Feb 05 23:48:20 Xecutah is the "this will work on any device and OS version" solution, and wTerm is the "this is much better, on the devices and OS versions that it supports" Feb 05 23:48:28 rom1dep: if there were a significant need to revive terminal it could be done, but it uses a fairly awkward plugin model that we were once upon a time forced to use and not any more Feb 05 23:48:41 destinal: face it, it's never going to happen. Feb 05 23:49:04 rwhitby: it CAN, I just think it's a waste of time and resources Feb 05 23:49:10 unless people explain otherwise Feb 05 23:49:38 it is *possibly* technically possible. it is *certainly* not going to happen. Feb 05 23:50:51 rwhitby: with wterm close to working on all devices though, would anyone want it to? Feb 05 23:50:56 that's the question Feb 05 23:51:09 I think answer is probably "no" Feb 05 23:51:39 destinal: is there a solution for 1.4.5 yet? Feb 05 23:51:54 okay, as of the novacom thing, should I download the whole SDK ? Feb 05 23:52:49 destinal: regardless of anyone wanting Terminal to continue being supported, there is no-one with the desire or impetus to do it, and it's not guaranteed to be technically possible anyway Feb 05 23:53:24 If there was, it would have been done by now. Feb 06 00:08:43 rwhitby: I might have a working nocacom driver Feb 06 00:09:01 overriding LD_LIBRARY_PATH is imho far far better ;) Feb 06 00:09:08 rom1dep: yeah that works too :) Feb 06 00:12:24 destinal: should gui tools like quick install work on linux ? Feb 06 00:13:45 oh my Feb 06 00:16:04 rom1dep, yes it should... but... i personally have not used quick install since... well i cant even remember it was early on.. there isnt much need for it esspesially if you can use novacom Feb 06 00:17:04 Jack87: what do you use novacom for then ? Feb 06 00:17:19 getting a shell directly on your pre ? Feb 06 00:17:28 running commands on device... via pc Feb 06 00:17:29 yup Feb 06 00:17:44 ok Feb 06 00:17:49 you can copy ipks to your usb dir and ipkg install them Feb 06 00:18:08 I wanted to install preware Feb 06 00:18:26 also you can use palm install which uses shell on your computer to send stuff through a pipe to device Feb 06 00:18:56 okay Feb 06 00:19:50 rom1dep: novaterm Feb 06 00:20:07 rom1dep: also to install preware palm-install Feb 06 00:20:27 rom1dep, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware Feb 06 00:21:04 rom1dep, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware Feb 06 00:22:35 Jack87: thanks, I forgot about this page Feb 06 00:23:00 rom1dep, think of webos-internals.rog as the all knowing god of webos Feb 06 00:23:03 Installing Preware from the command line → 2 lines :) Feb 06 00:23:09 lol... i mean .org Feb 06 00:23:30 rom1dep, yes... remember to note though it is not nessessialry suppored. Feb 06 00:23:44 i personally use it all the time. rwhitby advises against it Feb 06 00:24:46 okay :) Feb 06 00:24:52 thanks for the advise Feb 06 00:25:42 rom1dep: the two lines wget and palm-install Feb 06 00:25:52 from the host side Feb 06 00:26:01 me uses palm-install Feb 06 00:26:33 s|me|/me| Feb 06 00:27:23 rom1dep: wget http://get.preware.org/org.webosinternals.preware.ipk && palm-install org.webosinternals.preware.ipk Feb 06 00:27:30 rom1dep: pretty easy, huh? Feb 06 00:28:15 destinal: I don't have palm-install cos I don't have the sdk, only the novacom binaries :) Feb 06 00:29:24 * rwhitby shrugs - there's 5 different ways to install Preware, at least one of them usually works for all people Feb 06 00:32:41 ya.. wgeting the ipk rather then using the script is like doing palm install Feb 06 00:32:52 the script is not really supported to clearify Feb 06 00:33:03 but its been working for me for as long as i can remember Feb 06 00:33:11 okay Feb 06 00:33:19 it starts being very late there Feb 06 00:33:26 good night folks ! Feb 06 00:33:28 night Feb 06 00:33:33 if you've got enough stuff to novaterm into the device, you usually have enough stuff to palm-install Feb 06 00:33:33 thank you ! Feb 06 00:34:02 if you have a terminal on the device, then you've installed Preware before, so don't need any additional assistance to do it again Feb 06 00:34:24 (or you've at least used WOSQI to install the terminal, in which case you can use it to install Preware too) Feb 06 00:35:02 or you can use the terminal you installed using wosqi to install preware ;) Feb 06 00:35:03 basically, the bootstrap script has an "use alpha version" option which no-one has updated for the separate alpha and beta testing feeds Feb 06 00:35:35 Jack87: well, that path leads to people either using an unsupported bootstrap script, or running ipkg themselves, stuffing up the -o option and filling their root partition. Feb 06 00:35:53 rwhitby, well you dont want it to be updated right? rather have people read the test feeds wiki page first Feb 06 00:36:05 hence it is not recommended. if you're expert enough to do it, then you're expert enough not to need assistance. Feb 06 00:36:21 and those expert enough to do it should not recommend it to others who are asking. Feb 06 00:36:52 as far as i can tell it was never recomended today :) Feb 06 00:37:17 Jack87: I'm explaining why it is not supported. Feb 06 00:37:31 i know i was just teasing Feb 06 00:53:45 rwhitby: yeah I think a one-liner that works on the host side would be better Feb 06 00:53:58 if they don't have palm-install, something that calls installNoVerify would do just fine Feb 06 00:54:30 that would be still a "safe" way Feb 06 01:00:13 yupyup Feb 06 01:02:08 copy ipk to device, run installNoVerify, and be happy. Feb 06 01:02:16 although installNoVerify likes to delete the ipk if it runs into any issues, which is always fun. Feb 06 01:04:35 halfhalo, you can always wget ipk from feed like destinal said above ^ hehe i like wget Feb 06 01:04:56 yup, I know. Feb 06 01:05:47 i just had to... you said to copy ipk to device it was too litheral :) Feb 06 01:26:00 question has anyone found a soulution to charging touchpad in car from DC without an inverter? Feb 06 01:26:49 well fancy new cars have usb ports Feb 06 01:26:58 but i'm guessing the stupid fancy car usb port is not strong enough Feb 06 01:27:09 I have a usb car adapter that powers it fine, plus the usb port off my zune car kit does Feb 06 01:27:27 oh yeah i got a usb car adapter too Feb 06 01:27:31 didnt test tho Feb 06 01:27:48 I would try in the infiniti, but if you even look at the usb port it throws up a device not supported message Feb 06 01:47:16 Jack87: wheel_nut on the webosnation forums mods chargers for this purpose, havnt found and off the shelf one that can full charge i believe Feb 06 01:47:54 hewball, thanks Feb 06 02:03:08 Jack87: gah, the escaping to use novacom to tell the system to luna-send itself something with double-quotes properly is a bit of a pain Feb 06 02:03:49 incredibly Feb 06 02:07:13 halfhalo: have any good working examples from shell on a host system? I've been trying to wrestle something like luna-send -n 6 luna://com.palm.appinstaller/installNoVerify '{"target":"/var/tmp/preware.ipk"}' over novacom from bash on the host with novacom run -- etc Feb 06 02:08:28 no, I cheated and shoved a .sh file over and just ran that. saved alot of hassle with the myriad commands that can be run Feb 06 02:09:32 yeah had thought about that, was trying to avoid it for no good reason other than I'm stubborn Feb 06 02:24:26 anyone here have a non-franken pre2? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 06 02:59:58 2012