**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 07 02:59:58 2012 Feb 07 15:21:14 hi Feb 07 15:21:32 i have some of the keys not responding in touchpad virtual keyboard Feb 07 15:21:44 they respond after few trys Feb 07 15:22:18 and this happens randomly, and it happens most of the time keeping touchpad at an angle, if i hold and type all is fine Feb 07 15:22:28 any help or comments on it Feb 07 15:23:06 i dont think this is problem with hardware, because ICS android virtual keyboard works fine without issues Feb 07 15:24:28 sconix:{ hi u there Feb 07 15:24:55 did you apply any patches to speed up tap recognition ? Feb 07 15:25:57 Compn:{ yes i did Feb 07 15:26:27 is that what causing the problem? Feb 07 15:26:48 i mean are those patches are the problem? Feb 07 15:27:46 Compn:{ the patch i applied is "Increase Touch Sensitivity and Smoothness" Feb 07 15:28:09 chandoo : i dont know , i was going to suggest trying those patches :) Feb 07 15:28:25 try removing them, then, using preware just go back to the patch and click 'remove' Feb 07 15:28:44 okay Feb 07 15:29:21 removing... Feb 07 15:29:32 removed Feb 07 15:29:46 did you restart luna / and or notice any difference afterwards ? Feb 07 15:30:07 luna restart done, trying now Feb 07 15:32:02 looks like better Feb 07 15:32:26 is it possible to increase the response of the keyboard Feb 07 15:33:09 same again Feb 07 15:33:16 it happens in slant position Feb 07 15:33:25 if i hold it in hand it doesn't Feb 07 15:33:47 thats strange Feb 07 15:34:15 try the patch that turns off the keyboard animation, and/or disable the keyboard tap noise Feb 07 15:34:16 that helps Feb 07 15:34:27 but otherwise, you will have to make a patch to increase the keyboard speed i think Feb 07 15:34:34 * Compn goes afk Feb 07 15:34:46 i dont know how to create patches, but info is probably on the website in the topic Feb 07 15:37:46 i have "mojo tap responsiveness" removing that Feb 07 15:38:12 i don't see keyboard animation tap noise remove patch Feb 07 15:40:40 it might just be in the sounds settings on the device Feb 07 15:40:45 there might not be a patch for it Feb 07 15:40:56 Compn:{ do know any sample working theme for "theme Manager" Feb 07 15:41:00 okay Feb 07 15:58:26 chandoo: TM wiki has links to TM themes, also the theme builder from Jason can convert old themes into TM themes Feb 07 16:15:49 sconix:{ i downloaded the Glass Effect suite themes which you posted, they all show up in red Touchpad 3.0.5 and "select this theme" is greyed out Feb 07 16:16:14 i saw the JSON file they are made for 302 Feb 07 16:16:29 i believe you mean json not jason the guy Feb 07 16:16:52 no I mean Jason Feb 07 16:17:16 and not sure where you get the old version, they should be at for the latest TP the links in wiki afaik Feb 07 16:18:56 just checked and yes the links in wiki takes to the latest version which is for 305 Feb 07 16:19:31 i got from this link Feb 07 16:19:33 http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/303050-theme-manager.html Feb 07 16:22:00 chandoo, posts on webosnation are rarely up to date Feb 07 16:22:26 if you want to get something made/provided by WebOS-Internals, getting it directly from the package feeds or directly from the wiki is always the best option Feb 07 16:22:29 as I said the wiki page has the links for the themes Feb 07 16:23:22 the thread has lots of old info as usual Feb 07 16:23:43 can you post the wiki link pls Feb 07 16:23:54 the wiki link is in the very first post of that thread Feb 07 16:24:34 :) thank you got it Feb 07 16:24:41 my mistake i over looked Feb 07 16:25:54 ~beta-feed Feb 07 16:25:56 ~beta-feeds Feb 07 16:25:59 ~beta Feb 07 16:26:02 hrm... Feb 07 16:26:10 I thought we had something for that Feb 07 16:26:12 no infobot :( Feb 07 16:26:14 ~botsnack Feb 07 16:26:17 ahh, that's why Feb 07 16:26:42 infobot... where did thou go? Feb 07 17:48:28 i have openssh installed in TP, if i use ssh -i id_rsa root@IP it is working, when i copy the id_rsa file to authorized_hosts it is not working, what is that i am doing wrong Feb 07 18:04:15 chandoo: you need to copy the id_rsa.pub file into authorized_keys <-- note filename is different. Feb 07 18:04:56 jtrucks:{ i tried id_rsa.pub into authorized_keys Feb 07 18:05:03 it was a typo Feb 07 18:05:06 sorry Feb 07 18:05:11 hmmm Feb 07 18:05:17 jtrucks:{ still it doesn't work Feb 07 18:05:43 you can test with ssh -vvv to the server to see where it hangs up or fails. that should show you whether it can read the file or sees permission errors etc. Feb 07 18:05:59 the authorized_keys file and .ssh directory should be 600 perms. Feb 07 18:07:47 jtrucks:{ yes i have right permissions Feb 07 18:08:15 chandoo: so what exactly isn't working? Feb 07 18:09:01 Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive). Feb 07 18:10:06 http://fpaste.org/Uswg/ Feb 07 18:10:12 ssh -vvv log Feb 07 18:11:55 i removed known_hosts entry and tried again same result Feb 07 18:12:36 doe the file ~/.ssh/id_rsa still exist? Feb 07 18:12:40 er does the file... Feb 07 18:12:44 .ssh better not be 600 Feb 07 18:13:00 no Feb 07 18:13:09 well, .ssh 700 yeah Feb 07 18:13:10 on host no Feb 07 18:13:31 chandoo: on the client side the id_rsa file must exist for it to try that key by default. Feb 07 18:13:37 # Feb 07 18:13:37 debug2: key: /home/chandra/.ssh/id_rsa ((nil)) Feb 07 18:13:37 # Feb 07 18:13:37 it should contain the private key Feb 07 18:13:38 debug2: key: /home/chandra/.ssh/id_dsa ((nil)) Feb 07 18:13:44 it worked now Feb 07 18:13:56 when i copied id_rsa into .ssh Feb 07 18:14:00 yup. Feb 07 18:14:01 :) Feb 07 18:14:07 that's why -vvv is so useful. Feb 07 18:14:33 that id_rsa is the one i generated on TP with ssh-keygen Feb 07 18:15:04 it has to be inside .ssh by default. Feb 07 18:15:05 but what if i want to connect to other hosts with id_rsa file Feb 07 18:15:30 you copy the public key onto those hosts and put a copy of the key into that account's authorized_keys file. Feb 07 18:16:33 usually I do this: scp id_rsa.pub remotehost:.ssh/myhostname.pub; ssh remotehost ; cat .ssh/myhostname.pub >> authorized_keys; Feb 07 18:16:41 i removed authorized_keys entry, it still works Feb 07 18:16:59 the local authorized_keys entry is useless. that's for checking incoming connections. Feb 07 18:18:10 in my case both the files are from TP id_rsa and id_rsa.pub Feb 07 18:18:17 i am bit confused Feb 07 18:19:56 i have to do some reading and watching some ssh tutorials Feb 07 18:20:01 thanks jtrucks Feb 07 18:34:08 one -v should tell you that Feb 07 18:34:08 chandoo: I suggest asking more questions about SSH functionality in ##security as it works the same on webOS as it does anywhere else. Feb 07 18:34:17 jtrucks: there's also ssh-copy-id Feb 07 18:34:28 dwc-: it's debug2, so that makes it -vv :) Feb 07 18:34:40 you don't need debug2 to tell you the perms are wrong or that the file isn't there Feb 07 18:35:23 jtrucks:{ i removed all the id_rsa keys in .ssh in my linux desktop and generated fresh and copied id_rsa into TP .ssh and it works without password Feb 07 18:36:08 dwc-:{ ssh-copy-id is not going through, permission denied Feb 07 18:36:50 ssh-copy-id is a shell script that uses ssh to upload it Feb 07 18:37:00 so you're either using it wrong, or your auth is incorrect anyways Feb 07 18:37:07 i did scp -i id_rsaTP id_rsaLocal root@TP Feb 07 18:37:23 and did cat id_rsa >> authorized_keys Feb 07 18:38:27 it works only if remote machine accepts password authentication Feb 07 18:39:17 openssh on TP password authentication is disabled by default, i have not enabled password authentication Feb 07 18:39:21 on TP Feb 07 18:40:37 now i am trying to "Connect to Server" in nautilus it is not working, may be nautilus is trying to pass password i believe Feb 07 18:40:49 i have to check with nautilus guyz Feb 07 18:43:39 thanks for comments Feb 07 18:55:30 regarding themes if i take .zip file and add 3.0.5 alias it should work right? Feb 07 18:56:35 Hi all, is there any way to force the TP to redownload FB photos on the photo app? Feb 07 18:57:03 Thanks to my mobile provider compressing JPEGs when over 3G, a FB album I downloaded is terrible quality =/ Feb 07 18:57:16 * dwc- points to the topic Feb 07 18:57:47 Umm...what about it? Feb 07 18:58:14 this isn't a support channel for the facebook app Feb 07 18:58:27 I'm not asking about the facebook app... Feb 07 18:58:32 or general touchpad support Feb 07 18:59:16 People have been plenty friendly and helpful in here in the past. Nevermind then! Feb 07 18:59:34 Will you tell me to go away if I ask in the #webos channel too? Feb 07 18:59:48 if it was related to a webos internals project ... Feb 07 19:00:05 Boopop:{ you can always ask, if someone know they will respond to it Feb 07 19:00:13 Well that's what I thought :) Feb 07 19:00:16 better in webos Feb 07 19:00:51 Boopop: dwc-'s point is that this channel is webos-internals, not webOS, not touchpad, not facebookapp, and that there are better places to get better support Feb 07 19:00:56 Boopop:{ i am sorry i have no experience with facebok, no login in facebok Feb 07 19:01:23 *facepalm* Not the facebook app. Like I say, nevermind. Feb 07 19:01:58 Thanks anyway :) Feb 07 19:06:28 sconix:{ i applied a theme with Theme Manager and restarted luna , nothing happens Feb 07 19:08:01 what theme you selected? Feb 07 19:09:55 com.choorp.ges-touchpad-cerulean.zip Feb 07 19:10:00 chandoo: make sure after you select the theme, you hit "apply current theme" on the left side Feb 07 19:11:28 jcerwinske:{ okay i got it, using it for first time, i click on "Select this Theme" and did luna restart Feb 07 19:11:39 luna restart going on Feb 07 19:11:45 it worked Feb 07 19:11:48 :) Feb 07 19:11:52 nice Feb 07 19:13:14 jcerwinske:{ i believe it selects Theme Components automatically Feb 07 19:13:23 some are greyed out Feb 07 19:13:39 chandoo: not all themes have modified all components Feb 07 19:14:18 chandoo: I believe theme manager allows you to select a theme, and then only pick parts and elements of it to apply Feb 07 19:14:32 chandoo: this lets you mix and match parts of different themes, to customize your own Feb 07 19:14:41 yes its possible to only select some components or even select different components from different themes Feb 07 19:15:56 looks like it is the way, by default it selects what are available and i can deselect some of them Feb 07 19:16:44 Theme Manager is amazing, :) Feb 07 19:17:30 thanks :) I hope I have time to improve it at some point though Feb 07 19:17:42 one thing i noticed is in new themes tabs are not highlighted except a line under them Feb 07 19:18:10 in default theme they have different color tone, Feb 07 19:18:27 sconix:{ did you develop it? Feb 07 19:18:32 yes Feb 07 19:18:58 its amazing thanks a lot for such a nice app. Feb 07 19:19:13 by the way happy to meet you Feb 07 19:19:30 by the way happy to know you Feb 07 19:19:38 thnak you :) Feb 07 19:19:48 err thank... Feb 07 19:19:55 I guess I should go to sleep Feb 07 19:20:37 okay, you must be not from US Feb 07 19:20:49 nope, from Finland :) Feb 07 19:21:02 Am i the only one who all of a sudden is unable to make toolchain? Feb 07 19:21:06 in build.git Feb 07 19:21:06 good, its afternoon here Feb 07 19:21:22 its not that late yet here neither, but have had couple long working days Feb 07 19:21:28 sconix:{ i heard bad snow strom in europe Feb 07 19:22:13 well the weather here has been rather interesting as well, not a storm but well lots of small car accidents Feb 07 19:22:46 okay Feb 07 19:23:06 PuffTheMagic, sconix, Am i crazy for being unable to make toolchain succesfully in build.git? cs07 seems to be the error-causer. Feb 07 19:23:19 ubuntu 11.10 Feb 07 19:23:20 i am flying through Brussels this weekend, so checking on weather conditions :) Feb 07 19:23:48 scoutcamper: cant say, haven't needed to build toolchain for a while now Feb 07 19:24:08 :/ Feb 07 19:25:07 scoutcamper:{ i tried on my machine fedora16 with code sourcery tool chain, looks like it worked Feb 07 19:25:31 but i am not expert Feb 07 19:25:42 chandoo, ok. thanks. Feb 07 19:41:50 scoutcamper|away: "suddenly" ? how often do you rebuild the toolchain? Feb 07 19:48:15 scoutcamper|away, you are probably missing the 32bit emulation stuff Feb 07 20:04:20 PuffTheMagic, is there a bug tracker thing for wterm? Feb 07 20:04:35 ya on github Feb 07 20:04:39 RagingMind, what issue do you have Feb 07 20:04:56 if its pre3 period related its fixed Feb 07 20:05:03 same with pre3 vkb size issues Feb 07 20:05:24 installed on my Pre+ with 2.1 and the keys are super screwy all across the right half of the keyboard Feb 07 20:06:09 ya Feb 07 20:06:40 RagingMind, is it just input, or is the diplayed characters weird too Feb 07 20:06:44 like prompts and what not Feb 07 20:06:47 and the vkb comes up initially at a weird unusable size and most of the time seems to eventually correct to phone sized Feb 07 20:07:05 the vkb size issue should be fixed Feb 07 20:07:15 pre+ is still alpha though Feb 07 20:07:23 I'm on 0.3.999-2 Feb 07 20:07:52 is it just input that is messed up or also displayed chars? Feb 07 20:08:20 when I type l I get m and on my term what should be "vern" is "veroe" Feb 07 20:08:46 that's the name of my phone so that's what's showing as my prompt Feb 07 20:09:30 oops it should be "verne" and it's "veroe" Feb 07 20:10:18 hmm Feb 07 20:10:27 make a bug report for it Feb 07 20:13:10 oh, and after crashing a couple launches ago, it stopped taking any input on new launches. i haven't tried rebooting/reinstalling yet cause it happened while I was at work (trying now) Feb 07 20:21:30 heya Feb 07 20:22:27 quick q, does the metadoctor script to give ATT Veer TTS still work with 3.0.5? Or is there a better way to do this now? Feb 07 20:31:26 rebooted and I still can't type into wterm Feb 07 20:31:29 RagingMind: if it stops taking input try tapping the terminal area (we have some focus issues to fix still on the pre3) Feb 07 20:31:32 reinstalled and same thing Feb 07 20:31:45 gah! Feb 07 20:31:48 there is it Feb 07 20:32:18 oh, speaking of wterm, does it work better with the BT keyboard than X? realized I can't even do Ctrl-A among other quirks.. Feb 07 20:32:18 I guess the first few times I didn't have to do that cause I kept trying to fiddle with the vkb and accidentally gave it focus Feb 07 20:32:50 well, I think there was an alpha or something that hooked into different stuff and thus didn't have that issue Feb 07 20:33:26 PuffTheMagic, the character is a display issue (now that I have time to play with it) Feb 07 20:47:40 hi there Feb 07 20:50:57 howdy Feb 07 21:09:09 PuffTheMagic, nope, they are installed Feb 07 21:10:26 but a fresh clone seems to mebe have fixed it Feb 07 21:15:00 ugh Feb 07 21:15:09 i hate "magic" fixes Feb 07 21:15:56 but its fixed Feb 07 21:15:58 ugh Feb 07 21:16:43 * Brybry kludges scoutcamper Feb 07 21:19:14 if it aint broke i cant fix it :/ Feb 07 21:30:38 I'm having trouble staying signed into a Pre3. I've tried 2 different pre3s, and they both can't stay signed in. Feb 07 21:33:23 kfkdlafafkkfda Feb 07 21:33:42 hi Feb 07 21:33:59 hi Feb 07 21:34:36 bye :) Feb 07 21:36:44 any thoughts on this? I try to relogin w/ impostah (because obviously don't want to wipe), and it gives me a "errorCodes":"PAMS3006","message":"Invalid device IMEI/MEID." Feb 07 21:37:12 i got that before, i forget how i fixed it lol Feb 07 21:37:48 jcerwinske: that sounds like a good bad name.. ("hot mess now on TP") Feb 07 21:37:56 give peace a chance, then maybe macaw Feb 07 21:38:01 oops wrong channel :) Feb 07 21:38:17 lol Feb 07 21:40:51 http://rootzwiki.com/topic/17563-the-other-touchpad-kernel-source-from-hp-android-dump/ Feb 07 21:51:35 PatrickC: woot! Feb 07 21:51:50 destinal, rod just tweeted it Feb 07 21:51:54 PatrickC: finally the hotly denied android distribution of HP's is released! Feb 07 21:52:57 destinal: Exactly! And the crazy thing is that they fired someone over it! Feb 07 21:53:44 sanaking: the thing is, it makes total sense when you're designing new hardware with assets in china to have them hack on it in android Feb 07 21:53:47 it's what they know Feb 07 21:54:48 so you can do a whole bringup with android to get a working device, and then put webos on the prototype in the states no problem Feb 07 21:55:00 then you don't have to have geist hacking on things in factories in asia Feb 07 21:55:08 (or whoever else would be) Feb 07 21:55:21 hm, the mention of the attorney in the article makes me wonder if it was the GPL nature of Linux that required them to be honest Feb 07 21:55:52 sanaking: yeah well they could be sued for copyright infringement but I kind of doubt they would be Feb 07 21:55:55 destinal: I don't buy that Feb 07 21:56:33 destinal: if an attorney is being thanked for this being released, it's clear that there was a little legal onus on them. Feb 07 21:57:34 sanaking: I suspect it was easier for HP to do it than not to do it. very much doubt green-- is a copyright holder Feb 07 21:57:57 so unless he wrangled up someone who IS and who cares enough, he may have just been making semi-empty threats Feb 07 21:58:54 I think it was hard for them to have admitted they were lying Feb 07 21:59:29 I think they just considered it "not released" and felt that the terms of the GPL only applied to "released" software Feb 07 21:59:36 and it took some legal wrangling to make it happen Feb 07 22:00:30 jcerwinske: well here's the thing right? they would only be obligated to give the code to the person they accidentally shipped the binary to or be guilty of accidental copyright infringement (which isn't the same as willful infringement in severity) Feb 07 22:00:53 hmm.. WARNING: carrierList on the webOS Dr is : row and carrierToken on the device is : not_found Feb 07 22:01:15 sanaking: missing some tokens? Feb 07 22:01:43 destinal: I'd have to read the GPL fine print again... I thought the had to "make available" the source to the community as a whole Feb 07 22:01:51 jcerwinske: nope, not at all Feb 07 22:01:53 destinal: clearly we need some lawyers and/or GPL experts in this mix to speak to this Feb 07 22:02:16 jcerwinske: though you have to give it to the person you shipped the binaries to under the same GPL license so they can share it if they like Feb 07 22:02:36 this illustrates exactly why this attorney was thanked, and why a little kick from a lawyer was probably needed to make it happen... Feb 07 22:02:47 otherwise again, they'd be guilty of a minor piddling copyright infringement that i doubt copyright holders would have sued about Feb 07 22:02:55 it's compicated and confusing :( Feb 07 22:03:02 jcerwinske: the person receiving the binary doesn't hold the copyright so has no right to sue Feb 07 22:03:28 ...but you can't hold copyright on GPL'd source, can you? Feb 07 22:03:28 jcerwinske: but the lawyer could have threatened to ring up GPL-violations.org and have them obtain someone who owns copyright to linux kernel code Feb 07 22:03:36 I mean, the GPL IS the copyright? Feb 07 22:03:54 jcerwinske: nope, GPL is a license, from the copyright holder to the person they license it to Feb 07 22:04:09 author of the work still keeps copyright Feb 07 22:04:47 Linux kernel is copyright lots of different people Feb 07 22:05:53 destinal: yes it looks like i'm missing some tokens.. what this means/how it happened and how to correct.. are a mystery to me! Feb 07 22:06:09 sanaking: did it used to work? Feb 07 22:06:16 destinal: I just picked it up used Feb 07 22:06:20 sanaking: ahhhh Feb 07 22:06:24 sanaking: what device? Feb 07 22:06:27 PRe2 Feb 07 22:06:51 it was used as a dev device Feb 07 22:07:36 oops did I type that in this channel? Feb 07 22:07:53 I can't manage to keep track, I need another chat s/w.. :) Feb 07 22:07:54 sanaking: so yeah you should either metadoctor and bypass the carrier check OR change your tokens to row Feb 07 22:08:11 destinal: I'm metadoctoring already, so I can make that change Feb 07 22:08:26 sanaking: yeah try without carrier check and see how it works Feb 07 22:08:44 hopefully you're not missing other important tokens Feb 07 22:08:59 destinal: hrmm that sounds bad.. :( Feb 07 22:09:18 sanaking: don't worry, it's just bits on the flash disk, you can correct it Feb 07 22:09:22 a token is only in software, it's not in firmware right? I'm not really changing the device in any way on a deeper level? Feb 07 22:09:45 hey you have to let me ask my question BEFORE you answer it! lol Feb 07 22:10:07 cool will try Feb 07 22:10:16 do I really have to rebuild the doctor? gah.. :) Feb 07 22:10:39 sanaking: rebuilding doctor to bypass carrier check is bound to be the easiest way Feb 07 22:10:51 there are other ways... Feb 07 22:10:53 :) Feb 07 22:11:00 just not any easier Feb 07 22:11:01 it's fine, I'll just rebuild.. 3rd time's the charm :) Feb 07 22:11:08 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=61693 Feb 07 22:11:19 * bhuey reads about asynchronous programming Feb 07 22:11:22 gah, I always forget, listening to pandora on android, about ads Feb 07 22:15:00 speaking of Pandora (sorta), anyone run Spotify on their TP? Feb 07 22:15:02 TOKEN MISMATCH: Failed to find match for Carrier information. Prevent user from flashing Feb 07 22:15:19 I installed it via impostah, but the login screen freaks out Feb 07 22:18:45 oh interesting, this pre2 says "Sample not for resale" on it Feb 07 22:19:00 i wonder if that's part of the puzzle Feb 07 22:22:26 so i should try to throw a token onto it I take it.. Feb 07 22:36:28 more importantly, any thoughts on my pre3's inability to stay logged in, and related error about invalid device IMEI/MEID? Feb 07 22:36:47 s/pre3's/pre3s' Feb 07 22:37:59 my pre3 won't stay signed into my palm profile either. it'll last a couple days and then I can't download from the app catalog anymore Feb 07 23:03:04 destinal: bypass carrier check is almost never the correct solution, since it will prevent app catalog access Feb 07 23:03:39 rwhitby: ahh, good to know. bypassing first use and using impostah get past it? Feb 07 23:04:04 doh! Feb 07 23:04:27 RagingMind: are you using your pre3 on the network? I'm using mine wifi only, maybe that's why.. Feb 07 23:05:44 destinal: putting correct tokens on the device is the correct solution Feb 07 23:06:00 and then matching those tokens with the doctor build Feb 07 23:07:08 rwhitby: yeah I figured that would be the "proper" way to do it. what's a good reference for the best way to fix up tokens? I know we have a tool for it. Feb 07 23:07:58 use the meta-doctor Feb 07 23:08:09 plenty of doco around about how to use it to change tokens Feb 07 23:09:39 sanaking, wifi only Feb 07 23:13:15 sanaking: my pre3 is only on wifi and has no problems with appcat Feb 07 23:14:28 dwc- sanaking, did either of you use impostah? Feb 07 23:14:34 *to activate Feb 07 23:16:30 probably not Feb 07 23:16:48 man, I'm so confused on getting SSH to work on TP... Feb 07 23:16:52 what is the private key ever used for? Feb 07 23:17:59 jcerwinske: with asymmetric keys data is encrypted using your intended recipient's public key and they can decrypt it only with their private key Feb 07 23:18:12 sanaking: check the expiry date of your token after you log in to your profile Feb 07 23:18:13 right right, but I'm reading this wiki entry Feb 07 23:18:28 and it's talking about copying off the private key to your desktop? wtf.... Feb 07 23:18:31 oh, that wiki page sucks. Feb 07 23:18:43 improvements welcome ^ Feb 07 23:18:48 jcerwinske: you should generate keys ON the desktop and copy public key up to your device Feb 07 23:19:01 it's a mixture of ssh'ing *in* to your TP, and ssh'ing *out* of your TP, in the same wiki page Feb 07 23:19:08 destinal: what if I want to go the other way around... Feb 07 23:19:17 destinal: unless you want to ssh *out* from your TP Feb 07 23:19:27 (e.g. from wTerm) Feb 07 23:19:30 rwhitby: which wiki page talks about ssh'ing out? Feb 07 23:19:31 ah right if you're sshing out of it then yes Feb 07 23:19:43 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH Feb 07 23:19:53 copy public key to destination, keep private key only on client Feb 07 23:19:55 dwc-: ssh'ing out is the only reason why you would ever let your private key go anywhere near a TP Feb 07 23:20:11 rwhitby: and you can use um, what is it, brokering? Feb 07 23:20:12 I'm trying trying to generate keys on device via novaterm Feb 07 23:20:25 generating keys on the device and copying the private half to your desktop is secure enough Feb 07 23:20:29 the public key portion gets a whack file name.. but maybe the contents are ok? Feb 07 23:20:39 * rwhitby never lets his private key leave a machine to which he has constant physical custody. never copy it to a remote machine. Feb 07 23:20:48 yeah thats what I thought... Feb 07 23:21:05 unless you know something I don't... Feb 07 23:21:06 ssh-agent is your friend Feb 07 23:21:06 jcerwinske: generate your keypair on a desktop, not the touchpad. that's the problem with that page. Feb 07 23:21:07 is there a reference for what a public key file contents should looke like? Feb 07 23:21:13 ka6sox: right, agent Feb 07 23:21:28 I have no problem with generating a keypair on the touchpad and using the private key only to authorize connections to the device Feb 07 23:21:37 ok, and then copy the private generated key, to the touchpad, because it's really the TP's private key, correct? Feb 07 23:21:49 dwc-: you're not being hit by the cryptofs bug which is screwing the filenames Feb 07 23:22:09 jcerwinske is Feb 07 23:22:16 why is cryptofs getting involved if I'm not putting the generated key on cryptofs? Feb 07 23:22:51 depends which ssh-keygen you're running Feb 07 23:23:05 if it's from /opt, loop mounted from cryptofs, then cryptofs is getting involved Feb 07 23:23:25 who's ssh-keygen saves keys by default to the cryptofs? Feb 07 23:24:00 the only way I can see that happening is if your cwd is on the cryptofs and you type something for the filename instead of accepting the default (which is what the page says to do) Feb 07 23:24:00 for me, running ssh-keygen on TP puts private key in /home/root/.ssh and the public key... just wherever Feb 07 23:24:16 jcerwinske: and screws the filenames, right? Feb 07 23:24:17 dwc-, optware will if its loopmounted to cryptofs for openssh Feb 07 23:24:20 yep Feb 07 23:24:54 well, if ssh-keygen is screwing filenames on the TP, then do it on a desktop instead Feb 07 23:25:02 after I've generated my key pair, where does the private key go on the touchpad? just slap it in /home/root/.ssh ? Feb 07 23:25:25 cause it's not screwing them for everyone, just some people. So it's a webOS bug, not an ssh-keygen bug (else it would be systematically screwing it for everyone) Feb 07 23:29:19 back.. Feb 07 23:29:39 raginmind: I didn't use impostah to activate, i did it the traditional palm way. Since it logged out I tried to use impostah to log back in Feb 07 23:29:46 sanaking: check the expiry date of your token after you log in to your profile Feb 07 23:30:44 rwhitby: I wouldn't know where to find the expiry date, but will look Feb 07 23:31:01 It's in Impostah in your Palm Profile Feb 07 23:31:32 I've seen cases where un-confirmed palm profile token expiry dates are really short. Feb 07 23:32:13 rwhitby: ok, I think between me, dwc, raginmind and http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/270316-impostah-7.html it's clear, if you use your device as wifi-only, you will be logged out Feb 07 23:32:34 i mean, probably when the token expires, it will not keep you logged in Feb 07 23:32:37 I fail to understand how the fs the binary/libraries live on can affect how the open() to create the pubkey ends up with garbage Feb 07 23:32:40 but oh well Feb 07 23:33:06 sanaking: but I use mine wifi-only and am not logged out Feb 07 23:33:06 following the directions in that thread, I turned on the cell network, rebooted, and impostah successfully logged me into my profile Feb 07 23:33:21 dwc-: Ok I guess I misunderstood that you were having the same problem Feb 07 23:33:32 dwc-: you have the cell radio on or off? Feb 07 23:33:43 unless by 'wifi-only' you mean metadoctored with wifi-only Feb 07 23:33:48 in which case that's definitely not me Feb 07 23:34:03 dwc-: I fail to understand it too, but it seems to be the only pattern to the bug at the moment. I'd love to be proven wrong by someone finding a real alternate reason for it. Feb 07 23:34:58 I leave the cell radio off most of the time as there's no SIM in it Feb 07 23:34:58 sanaking: token expiry date in the normal case is 10 years. I doubt wifi-only has anything to do with your problem. Feb 07 23:35:10 ok, then s/dwc// from my statement earlier Feb 07 23:35:16 oh, hmm.. Feb 07 23:35:23 and that way I have to remember to put it on the charger less-often Feb 07 23:35:40 i've had this problem with 2 different pre3s.. Feb 07 23:35:47 dwc-: "most of the time"? Feb 07 23:36:28 yeah, token expire time is 2021, so it's not that it's expiring.. Feb 07 23:36:59 there's no radio-off toggle, just airplane mode, afaik Feb 07 23:37:15 but .. maybe then it's.. the device stops reporting it's IMEI to the palm servers due to the phone radio being off, so after a few days, the palm servers just forget about you Feb 07 23:37:21 sanaking: do you have more than one device on that profile? Feb 07 23:37:39 rwhitby: touchpad Feb 07 23:37:41 sanaking: seriously mate, wifi-only has nothing to do with this. Feb 07 23:37:57 I've had wifi-only devices logged into palm profiles for years Feb 07 23:37:59 my pre3 is using my 2nd palm profile and is the only device using that profile Feb 07 23:38:05 sanaking: how often do you log in / log out the pre3 and other devices Feb 07 23:38:15 are you still doing the swapparoo thing Feb 07 23:38:21 dwc-: I added a 'phone off' toggle to the device menu, but yes, I'm using it with airplane mode Feb 07 23:39:05