**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 10 02:59:57 2012 Feb 10 03:31:23 just saw the howtoqt, why does this even exist when hp wont officially support it?? Feb 10 03:34:25 Khaled : because webos is based on some kind of nix and its easy to install things on it ? Feb 10 03:35:36 dont get me wrong I love qt but enyo should be the major focus Feb 10 03:36:41 does this allow a much better native sdk than the pdk? Feb 10 03:37:28 qt is just a gui framework basically Feb 10 03:38:07 its not really an sdk :P Feb 10 03:38:53 and as much as i hate javascript ... well... javascript can die Feb 10 03:38:58 so go away enyo Feb 10 03:40:04 why do u hate javascript? Feb 10 06:33:31 hi, not sure if I'm right here Feb 10 06:34:28 having rouble with mobile internet Feb 10 06:34:48 trouble Feb 10 06:40:10 #bye **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 10 07:28:11 2012 Feb 10 10:54:27 Is it murhpys law that servers are down when you try to activate a touchpad? Feb 10 10:59:08 odd, im chaning password on webos profile, get a mail that its changed but when trying to login it says its incorrect. Feb 10 17:15:13 hi. Can I bug someone with a stupid question? Can you paste in xecutah? Thx! Feb 10 17:16:37 chris____ : you can, but only if you copy from xecutah too Feb 10 17:16:49 haha! Feb 10 17:17:01 took me a few minutes to realize that the terminal wasnt on the same ... plane as the rest of webos Feb 10 17:17:13 Compn: ie no shared clipboard with the rest of webos? Feb 10 17:17:15 ok. Thx Compn! Feb 10 17:17:16 chris____ : did you try wterm ? i wonder if this works with that ? Feb 10 17:17:32 i mean does copy/paste work with wterm ? Feb 10 17:17:53 destinal_ : right, the xecutah terminal doesnt seem to be javascript interface ... Feb 10 17:18:04 e.g. you wont get keyboard shortcuts/autospell either Feb 10 17:18:55 I'll check wterm. For now I just can't be lazy. Too bad cause I like being lazy! Feb 10 17:19:15 thx again! Feb 10 17:19:30 i had to type in a 200 character url into terminal so i could wget something Feb 10 17:19:36 that was fun... Feb 10 17:20:08 and then i found out the palm wget was old and didnt have a status bar, so it was silently downloading... Feb 10 17:24:44 Compn: err yeah it's probably older busybox wget at that Feb 10 17:25:05 (not "real" wget) Feb 10 17:26:29 yep Feb 10 17:26:38 i renamed the busybox one Feb 10 17:26:42 now works as expected Feb 10 17:49:53 Compn, there is a very good (and obvious) reason for the copy paste not working in Xecutah terminal Feb 10 17:50:05 Xecutah terminal is not Mojo, or Enyo Feb 10 17:50:17 it's X, like you would have on a standard linux system Feb 10 17:50:48 and because X is designed to be it's own display system, it implements a clipboard Feb 10 17:51:07 cryptk: yeah, we *could* integrate and sync the with the webkit file Feb 10 17:51:07 and that clipboard is not the same as the clipboard implemented by the rest of webOS Feb 10 17:51:13 destinal_, we could Feb 10 17:51:26 maybe make it optional config Feb 10 17:52:15 have it be an option in Xecutah itself, "Share clipboard with webOS" Feb 10 17:52:27 that way it would work for XTerm, the chroots, etc etc Feb 10 17:53:47 cryptk : i know its seperate Feb 10 17:53:54 ;) Feb 10 17:54:04 what about wterm tho? :P Feb 10 17:54:45 it would be cool if the clipboard could be represented as a file, and then in xecutah terminal you just do 'import from clipboard file' :P Feb 10 17:54:52 say /dev/clipboard Feb 10 17:55:06 * Compn is too smart for his own good Feb 10 17:57:19 Compn: it's /tmp/webkit-clipboard or something like that and it's a txt file Feb 10 17:57:34 you could even cat /tmp/webkit-clipboard | xclip I bet Feb 10 17:57:41 to import it automagically Feb 10 17:57:46 sweet Feb 10 17:57:59 that is if you have xclip installed anyway Feb 10 17:58:04 i do not Feb 10 17:58:19 but that would be useful to copy a url in webos, then use wget to get it Feb 10 17:58:40 yeah wget `cat /tmp/webkit-clipboard` or so? I've done that Feb 10 18:16:55 Compn: wterm can paste, can'y copy yet Feb 10 19:41:21 hi Feb 10 19:42:16 I want to open a new scene, I did the menu, but how can I create a new scene? thanks Feb 10 19:48:04 there's anyone? Feb 10 19:53:43 sure :) Feb 10 21:53:39 hey all i have a touchpad question Feb 10 21:59:19 is everyone afk? Feb 10 22:00:02 just ask your question, people who are around will try and answer Feb 10 22:00:07 bearing in mind that this is webos-internals Feb 10 22:00:40 well I suppose it works for both my pal running 1.4.5 and my 3.0.5 TP Feb 10 22:01:21 I have WPA protection on my network and both my palm and touchpad are connected - where do they store the login information or is there a way to see it somehow Feb 10 22:01:38 did you forget your network password? :) Feb 10 22:01:41 my girlfriend threw out the network paperwork with out account info and passwords Feb 10 22:01:52 I'm honestly not sure where it gets stored Feb 10 22:02:00 and i never stored it on my devices in a note or anything Feb 10 22:02:02 ok Feb 10 22:02:07 are those the only devices you have that connect to the network? Feb 10 22:02:16 my xbox Feb 10 22:02:17 I know there's a way to see it in OS X Feb 10 22:02:24 ah Feb 10 22:02:38 my neighbor has a macbook i could ask him to come over with it Feb 10 22:03:20 he's connected to our wifi before Feb 10 22:03:48 that might be easiest, although, others might know where webOS stores passwords, if they're available Feb 10 22:03:53 I'm gonna guess they're not, but I don't know Feb 10 22:04:29 i tried googling "where does webOS store wifi passwords" Feb 10 22:06:04 yeah, I'm not sure it's documented anywhere, or not that I've seen Feb 10 22:11:18 http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/10/2788967/w3c-webkit-damaging-web Feb 10 22:11:21 interesting article Feb 10 22:26:44 bhuey: interesting, but I think as long as we have firefox and IE there will be enough competition to keep standards healthy Feb 10 23:35:56 hello? Feb 10 23:36:43 man, i haven't been on a chat board since the AOL days in college Feb 10 23:37:02 greetings fellow webos fans Feb 10 23:37:13 got a question to ask Feb 10 23:37:41 i was wondering if anyone has details on how to side load webos 2.2.4 on a verizon pre 2 Feb 10 23:37:52 apologies if this has been asked before Feb 10 23:38:17 I really want SMS on my TouchPad Feb 10 23:48:31 GrNEyedBandit, are you familiar with meta doctor? Feb 11 00:47:32 hi...can anyone help me with a broken pre2? Feb 11 01:01:45 mtgibbs: how is it broken? Feb 11 01:11:25 @rwhitby: sprint told me to input a code into the dialpad Feb 11 01:11:46 which brought up a diagnotic screen and he said to reset the phone Feb 11 01:12:02 it never reset properly and now it doesn't seem to be activated Feb 11 01:12:28 I did an app/data erase and now it says that I may need to activate my phone Feb 11 01:12:45 doctoring it shoudl reactivate it Feb 11 01:12:56 doctoring it shoudl reactivate it Feb 11 01:13:05 srry for the double Feb 11 01:13:06 okay that was my next step. will that erase the usb partition? Feb 11 01:13:13 no Feb 11 01:13:24 okay be right back... Feb 11 01:14:01 doctoring *may* erase the USB partition at any time Feb 11 01:14:08 if possible you should always make a backup first Feb 11 01:14:32 i.e. you should always assume it will, and be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't. Feb 11 01:14:36 thought the only time is was guaranteed to erase was going from 1.4.x to 2.x Feb 11 01:14:51 it will erase any time it sees filesystem errors for a start Feb 11 01:14:58 and any time the partition table changes Feb 11 01:15:03 okay Feb 11 01:15:05 and any time you go backwards in versions Feb 11 01:15:13 okay Feb 11 01:15:41 mtgibbs: is this a frankenpre2 ? Feb 11 01:16:18 yes Feb 11 01:16:23 verizon to sprint Feb 11 01:16:30 in future, you may want to mention that up front ... Feb 11 01:16:48 okay...I haven't started anything yet... Feb 11 01:17:07 you can't activate a sprint comms board in a Pre 2, since there is no provisioner binary for Pre 2. Feb 11 01:17:21 You need to put the board back in a Pre, then activate the phone on your account, then swap it back again. Feb 11 01:17:32 ohh that's what I was afraid of :-( Feb 11 01:17:41 what about the profiles? Feb 11 01:17:42 I believe the wiki page is quite clear about that Feb 11 01:17:59 well I wasn't sure that the "reset" de-activated it. Feb 11 01:18:12 mtgibbs, you should also probably not ever call sprint about any support issues related to a phone that they never even sold Feb 11 01:18:21 yes, now I know that Feb 11 01:18:28 s/they/nobody/ Feb 11 01:18:29 cryptk meant: mtgibbs, you should also probably not ever call sprint about any support issues related to a phone that nobody never even sold Feb 11 01:18:40 the problem is that they have bad network in Chicago Feb 11 01:18:44 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Sprint_2 Feb 11 01:18:50 and I was not getting MMS messages Feb 11 01:19:06 but I didn't realize what the guy was telling me to do til it was too late Feb 11 01:19:22 ahh, that could potentially a call srpint issue anyway, lol Feb 11 01:19:43 cryptk, u ever have Cooked Line Detour (Double IPA) Feb 11 01:19:46 ? Feb 11 01:20:05 so I still have the /var/software from my pre...is there a way to fix it with that? Feb 11 01:20:16 havent' had it yet, one day I will send you a vid of my beer selections around me, it's kinda sad, lol Feb 11 01:20:21 or do I need to swap boards and re-activate it then swap back? Feb 11 01:21:16 cryptk, i know of people that ship between NY and Cali, but i've never done it... let me investigate stuff a little i might be able to send you an order Feb 11 01:23:02 cool Feb 11 01:24:28 but shipping alone will probably close to 40 which is pretty lame Feb 11 01:24:35 might as well drive to cali Feb 11 01:25:22 cryptk, http://www.bottletrek.com Feb 11 01:25:41 I'm not in Cali, lol Feb 11 01:25:45 to ship 9 22oz bottles to my house it would be 36 dollars for fedex ground Feb 11 01:26:08 cryptk, i know you are not, thats why i said "drive to" Feb 11 01:26:16 ahh, lol Feb 11 01:27:14 rwhitby: so I have to swap the com board...doctoring won't help? Feb 11 01:27:44 you need to swap the comm board, then doctor, then swap back Feb 11 01:27:47 mtgibbs: no idea. No CDMA carriers in Australia Feb 11 01:27:52 oh okay Feb 11 01:27:57 cryptk knows best for this stff Feb 11 01:27:59 stuff Feb 11 01:28:00 ah Feb 11 01:28:16 so that reset he did de-activated it? Feb 11 01:28:24 the com board I mean? Feb 11 01:28:46 the procedure of "swap to OG pre, doctor, swap back to Pre2, doctor with meta doc" the the one that is pretty much guaranteed to fix you Feb 11 01:29:03 * rwhitby bbl Feb 11 01:29:05 okay Feb 11 01:29:11 thank you! Feb 11 01:29:55 what will that do to my palm profile? Feb 11 01:30:06 do I need to use a temp one on the old phone? Feb 11 01:30:41 mtgibbs, you should be fine with it Feb 11 01:30:46 but you can use a temp one if you want Feb 11 01:30:57 okay...just as long as it doesn't back up? Feb 11 01:31:02 I mean the old one? Feb 11 01:31:11 I have never had that corrupt my palm profile, but you could always use a temp one to be safe Feb 11 01:31:19 it isn't like my instructions come with a warranty, lol Feb 11 01:31:25 yes lol Feb 11 01:31:28 okay thank you Feb 11 01:31:31 so doing things "to be safe" is a good idea Feb 11 01:31:40 yes Feb 11 01:41:01 crimsonredmk, this Detour IPA comes in 750s Feb 11 01:41:03 im on #2 Feb 11 01:59:14 Is there any fix in preware to download from secure sites? there are a bunch of posts online talking about potentional fixes for it, but I haven't seen anything in the Preware DB? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 11 02:59:57 2012