**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 29 02:59:58 2012 Feb 29 03:50:00 Amperage: for a rom of what? Feb 29 03:51:45 never heard of the guy Feb 29 03:53:49 for the palm pre plus (verizon) Feb 29 03:54:03 of what, not for what Feb 29 03:54:10 he's made cricket (1 click) roms for I guess a couple years now Feb 29 03:54:50 oh it's just a tweaked stock webos with scripts to inject I guess cricket nv items and prl etc Feb 29 03:55:06 disables auto updates.. not that it's a problem for this device anymore Feb 29 03:55:18 so redistributing webos? Feb 29 03:55:32 sounds illegal, esp if done for money Feb 29 03:57:31 not sure how much on the grey side of things it lives.. I'd imagine as long as he's not modifying the original files and just running auto start scripts.. maybe not much they can do Feb 29 03:58:20 he's been around a while anyway. the problem I'm having is the cell radio isn't starting. no MEID shows up under info etc Feb 29 03:59:35 flashing back to the original verizon rom using webos doctor and updating the prl gets *228 working on cricket etc but qpst edits to the carrier data settings isn't enough to get 3g working Feb 29 04:00:09 guess that's how he's managing to make $$ on the rom. seems a total pita to get it 100% on other carriers Feb 29 04:01:42 anyway since this channel is kinda devoted to the inner workings of webos Feb 29 04:02:01 thought somebody might have an idea how to troubleshoot the issue where the radio isn't starting Feb 29 04:05:59 hey guys I have a quick question. I am trying to develop an app using just js and html5, but I need access to the terminal. Is that possible without a custom solution? Feb 29 04:07:31 * dwc- has feelings of deja vu Feb 29 04:11:21 you need a service or plugin Feb 29 04:12:48 if you need terminal access on the device itself you can install preware and use it to install a terminal package Feb 29 04:17:19 been messing around with android phones too much lately. and now webos.. makes me wish I had stuck to linux as my main OS Feb 29 04:17:37 would be a bit more comfortable editing scripts etc Feb 29 04:24:49 Amperage: I need my app to be able to run terminal commands. So is that not possible with native webos? Feb 29 04:25:53 oh. that I couldn't say. I'm not a webos dev by any means. I'm here with my own problem tryin to get some help :) Feb 29 04:26:24 I'm not versed in the apis avail to applications Feb 29 04:26:46 Amperage: nor am I hehe, thus my reasons for being here. Feb 29 04:26:49 :) Feb 29 04:27:51 I just did a quick google search. looks like there isn't a easy way without what dwc suggesting Feb 29 04:28:00 first writing a service to handle it Feb 29 04:28:30 dwc-: I didnt notice your response. So no can do eh? hummm. Feb 29 04:28:56 I googled "webos development shell commands" Feb 29 04:29:10 I'd imagine digging through some of those results might yield an answer Feb 29 04:29:37 Amperage: indeed! thanks Feb 29 04:30:01 np.. and good luck :) Feb 29 04:30:12 unfortunately google wasn't as forthcomming on my own query Feb 29 04:30:57 Amperage: hah, if I could, i'd help, but considering this is my very first app ever, I doubt I'll be much help Feb 29 04:31:16 I'm not really having trouble on the app level Feb 29 04:31:38 more along the lines of something wrong with the startup scripts responsible for loading radio modules etc Feb 29 04:32:37 using a custom webos rom that does some patches to NV items on startup and the radio isn't avail after boot. don't know enough myself to find out where in the startup sequence things are going wrong Feb 29 04:34:51 Amperage: if you paid for this thing, you should get support from the person who sold it to you, no? Feb 29 04:35:02 I'm attempting to :( Feb 29 04:35:10 kydan: do your commands need to run as root? Feb 29 04:35:13 he's getting increasingly slow with the replies Feb 29 04:35:33 Amperage: something which is not unusual when folks are doing illegal things Feb 29 04:35:52 rwhitby: hehe sorry, I was googling Feb 29 04:36:08 not sure about the legallity of his little enterprise Feb 29 04:36:13 rwhitby: I am trying to write an ssh gui Feb 29 04:36:43 he's not exactly hiding out from palm/HP pretty public on forums and has a registered website with full name/address etc Feb 29 04:36:56 Amperage: the legality is simple. If he's redistributing modified webOS ROMs, then he's breaking the law. Feb 29 04:37:10 Copyright law is pretty straight forward. Feb 29 04:37:55 kydan: for homebrew or app catalog distribution? Feb 29 04:37:59 rwhitby: so essentially, I just want to run ssh commands from my gui, provided the user has installed openssh Feb 29 04:38:36 rwhitby: for now, just with homebrew, eventually I'd like to get it in app cat, but I think that will require some C++ coding since openssh isnt installed by default Feb 29 04:38:43 kydan: have you looked at github.com/rwhitby/hello ? Feb 29 04:39:09 rwhitby: nope, doing it now, thanks! Feb 29 04:39:10 so it's more the point of including the entier webos flashable with doctor vs applying patches on the device itself? Feb 29 04:39:16 entire* Feb 29 04:41:39 rwhitby: what exactly does the hello app demonstrate? Feb 29 04:45:36 kydan, the hello app demonstrates how to make an SDK app talk to PDK components Feb 29 04:45:41 as well as node components Feb 29 04:45:41 etc Feb 29 04:46:01 cryptk: ahh ok, makes sense Feb 29 04:46:10 the hello app has all the various service types that an SDK app can use, and talks to all of them Feb 29 04:47:06 and does so from both mojo and enyo on all sorts of devices and webOS versions Feb 29 04:50:26 rwhitby: I'll go pull it down on my touchpad and take a look. Feb 29 04:50:35 rwhitby: thanks for your help and patience Feb 29 04:53:07 hey Feb 29 04:53:33 EricBlade: I work on Linux :) it's doing well :) Feb 29 04:54:24 Amperage: exactly. redistributing the modified files violates copyright. the end user patching their own installation is not. Feb 29 04:54:48 Amperage: distributing a tool which allows the end user to modify and flash their own installation is also fine. Feb 29 04:56:07 hrm. I think most of what the rom does is just extra init scripts and there is a custom binary named ev4g that has a number of commandline parms Feb 29 04:56:25 like ev4g write_nv_items Feb 29 04:58:39 it most likely could be done as a user installed package using novacom Feb 29 04:58:47 do you have to be root to install preware from the bootstrap script on terminal? Feb 29 04:59:47 they have a handy little installer I used :) Feb 29 05:00:02 put the phone in dev mode. ran the installer. one button and woot.. preware Feb 29 05:00:36 yeah, im just trying to run it from my touchpad Feb 29 05:00:44 well, install it, not run. Feb 29 05:01:04 to install preware from on the device, you have to be root Feb 29 05:01:17 rwhitby: thanks Feb 29 05:01:23 to get root, you have to have previously done the things needed to install preware Feb 29 05:01:46 http://bit.ly/phd-ac shows how to do that Feb 29 05:01:54 rwhitby: hehe yes, just was reinstalling preware and didnt want to go get the quickinstaller Feb 29 05:02:12 I personally just use palm-install from the official SDK. Feb 29 06:00:55 hey hernacki Feb 29 06:01:08 was cut today at Palm along with a number of other folks Feb 29 06:12:34 you are welcome to my job :) I don't like it Feb 29 06:53:17 what's the correct way to manually install a .ipky? Feb 29 06:53:20 .ipkg rather Feb 29 06:53:29 I need to test changes to a progra Feb 29 06:53:29 m Feb 29 07:24:58 hmm. did i completely miss this in the chaos over the last day, or did this just post really late ... OpenAL, OpenGL ES and WebGL, GStreamer, LevelDB, and Novacom for March release ... Feb 29 07:26:03 I just saw it too Feb 29 07:26:16 it's dated yesterday, but .. Feb 29 07:26:29 it'd be PST Feb 29 07:26:35 Still the 28th here Feb 29 07:26:39 ah, right Feb 29 07:26:59 i was thinking it had been the 29th here for the past 24 hrs, but it is after midnight Feb 29 07:28:09 I wonder if this is what would've happened for 3.0 had not there been that nasty hardware release schedule to stick to Feb 29 07:28:25 and yet another abstraction layer Feb 29 07:30:04 i want to say it's exciting, but we don't have it running yet Feb 29 07:30:37 the improvements to qtwebkit are a plus Feb 29 07:31:35 novacom is the most exciting thing, for me anyway Feb 29 13:05:35 preware "unknown" apps are base apps, eg camera. Had problem w/camera & tried to remove/reinstall. Preware removes but spins on install, downloading nothing! Feb 29 13:08:24 have tuckerbox installed... Preware unib Feb 29 13:10:21 preware/tuckerbox allows me to remove base camera but hangs on install when i attempt to put it back. Known bug? Need doctor? Feb 29 13:18:22 Yep... Appears to list as "unknown" various base apps such as camera, allows removal, but not install. Feb 29 13:19:43 Immediately after removal, offers install but spins if you try. /,,, Feb 29 13:20:10 Work around to restore camera ot Feb 29 13:20:33 or must i doctor? Feb 29 14:27:34 Anyone? Feb 29 19:27:17 * bhuey is about to drive back up to SF Feb 29 19:27:31 and pick through the ashes of HP/Palm Feb 29 19:37:57 bhuey: :( Feb 29 19:39:04 hope you find some good stuff! Feb 29 19:43:37 yeah that's how it goes man, it's depressing Feb 29 19:45:19 Go steal all the office supplies you can Feb 29 19:54:18 the bummer is having to return my Opal Feb 29 19:54:23 I love that thing Feb 29 19:55:05 get them to donate it to you@webos-internals Feb 29 20:30:54 bhuey: :( :( Feb 29 20:45:20 wrea: The office supplies are sucky :> Feb 29 20:54:04 they really need to leak all those Opals.. Feb 29 20:54:09 http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/railgun-test-fire-video/ Feb 29 20:54:15 Whoops, sorry! Feb 29 20:55:05 hey im havin an issue with gettin preware Feb 29 20:57:37 Kysh, never said to use the stolen supplies :P Feb 29 22:14:24 HP labstock used to be really well supplied... dunno about lately though Mar 01 01:23:58 anyone know of a program to clone the current state of a palm pre plus? Mar 01 01:24:33 after messing around with this thing for hours I finally got data working on cricket. would like to backup the filesystem and NV settings etc Mar 01 01:36:04 well u can use bootie-config do dump your tokens Mar 01 01:36:19 and then there is always dd Mar 01 01:54:00 thanks. I'll have to google those Mar 01 02:22:59 * DougReeder waves hello Mar 01 02:23:11 Hey, is there a C function I can use in a plugin that works like JavaScript's lastIndexOf? Mar 01 02:23:31 strrchr? Mar 01 02:25:21 That's the one, thanks! Mar 01 02:26:05 and also strrstr> Mar 01 02:26:16 I am so rusty on C Mar 01 02:26:51 And most of my C was done under PalmOS, where you didn't have the standard libs. Mar 01 02:27:47 copy functions from those lib source **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 01 02:59:59 2012