**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 14 02:59:58 2012 Mar 14 03:14:42 what's the current status on the qtwebkit project ? it building yet ? Mar 14 04:40:06 I'm getting my first webos device tomorrow (unlocked pixi plus), and I'm preparing to install a rom with webos doctor. could someone please help me understand a little better which jar file is best to start with. for instance what's different between each of the 1.4.5 files on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions? Mar 14 04:41:31 kabadra, you need to start with the one for your device Mar 14 04:42:23 kabadra: you also need the one for your carrier Mar 14 04:42:34 wxl, that's what I said Mar 14 04:42:45 cryptk: well, device != carrier but ok Mar 14 04:44:09 why are the images carrier specific? Mar 14 04:44:31 cuz each carrier is different :D Mar 14 04:45:24 well, yea? but even though my carrier is on the list, I'm buying it unlocked for when I travel. will it prevent me from using it on another carrier? Mar 14 04:45:48 kabadra, some are GSM, some are CDMA Mar 14 04:45:57 that's just one of the differences Mar 14 04:46:01 ahhhh Mar 14 04:47:18 so, then any gsm rom will work if my phone & carrier are gsm? Mar 14 04:49:14 kabadra, in theory, but it would be best to use the doctor for the carrier that your phone originally came from Mar 14 04:49:32 but if your phone and carrier are GSM, then any doctor for a GSM pixi /should/ work Mar 14 04:49:37 rwhitby, would know better than me Mar 14 04:51:35 that's very helpful info. thank you Mar 14 04:51:51 in case you're in the market, here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Pixi-Plus-GSM-Screen/dp/tech-data/B005BE0BNQ Mar 14 04:52:35 I'm going to look through the list and pick out the gsm roms to download and diff to decide Mar 14 05:15:03 are there any things that you would routinely remove from your roms before doctoring it to your phone? Mar 14 05:16:23 sry, asked quickly. found good info at: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-patches/ Mar 14 05:18:12 kabadra, the doctors aren't like the roms that you are familiar with from platforms like android Mar 14 05:18:31 we actually kind of shy away from calling them roms, mainly because they aren't read-only like the ones you get in the android world Mar 14 05:18:40 the doctor actually takes them apart and customizes them for you Mar 14 05:19:43 cryptk: could you please recommend some knowledge resources about the doctor? Mar 14 05:20:12 the page on webos-internals.org about it would be a good place to start Mar 14 05:20:27 but the doctor is basically a utility to reprogram your phone back to stock Mar 14 05:20:52 then we have the meta-doctor, which can take apart doctors, customize them, and put them back together, so you can have a customized doctor to program your device with Mar 14 05:22:05 k, it's meta-doctor I need to read up on. ty Mar 14 05:23:13 http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor (for reference) Mar 14 05:23:25 yep, that's the right page Mar 14 09:21:32 http://www.theverge.com/2012/3/14/2870116/hp-palm-three-year-plan-cut-short-leo-apotheker-says-former Mar 14 09:21:35 I love that picture Mar 14 09:31:46 lol Mar 14 09:54:59 hey guys Mar 14 10:54:51 Hi - been trying to get a Touchpad (UK 3G prototype) to flash Webdoctor 3.0.0 (or any version for that matter) - keep getting "not for your device message" at 8% .. tried metadoctor which didnt seem to change anything ... any ideas please? Can novaterm ok. Mar 14 12:20:06 hi guys Mar 14 12:20:50 someone knows a bit about touchpad internals? webos crap) Mar 14 12:21:26 i wonder if there's a diag mode in it Mar 14 13:14:26 hi flkemmard - have you tried naterm? Mar 14 13:14:52 i'll try that again ... Hi Flemmard, have you tried Novaterm? Mar 14 14:32:43 hi sorry i was not there Mar 14 14:34:11 Superfroggy: i mean, on htc sensation (for example), doing echo 1 > /sys/devices/virtual/usb_composite/diag/enable Mar 14 14:50:31 Flemmard: what does that do? Mar 14 14:50:42 novaterm gets you a full shell on the device Mar 14 14:50:44 that put's phone into 'diagnose' mode Mar 14 14:50:51 to get firmware and all this crap Mar 14 14:50:57 this might help on unbriking some devices Mar 14 14:51:39 I _think_ there's soemthing equivalent that the Doctor puts a webOS device into Mar 14 14:51:43 but I'm not cerain Mar 14 14:51:47 certain* Mar 14 14:51:51 hm Mar 14 14:52:15 in fact we have two modes Mar 14 14:52:16 the 'QHSUSB_DLOAD ' Mar 14 14:52:22 which is to inject to touchpad Mar 14 14:52:25 but there's another Mar 14 14:52:28 and i can't get it Mar 14 14:52:46 what's your end goal? Mar 14 14:53:02 unbrick my touchpad Mar 14 14:53:21 how did you brick it? Mar 14 14:53:35 afaik, they you can't easily brick a touchpad Mar 14 14:54:00 i edited by hand partition layout in a doctor Mar 14 14:54:01 and forced it to do it Mar 14 14:54:03 (: Mar 14 14:56:09 hrm Mar 14 14:56:23 i think i was the first to brick it lol Mar 14 14:56:35 I don't think it's bricked Mar 14 14:56:50 you may need to completely revert the partition layout Mar 14 14:57:04 I'm not certain of the specifics Mar 14 14:57:15 it just shows black svreen Mar 14 14:57:23 and detected on computer as QHSUSB_DLOAD Mar 14 15:06:09 maybe this is a stupid question, but is there any way to recognize multi-touch events regardless of what card(or if a card) has focus? Mar 14 15:06:41 I've got a similar problem ... webos doctor refuses to recognise the device, although I can novoterm in .. i think 3.0.0 resets all the partition information, but cant get it to run Mar 14 16:48:32 Does Enyo2 have a storage layer yet? Mar 14 20:17:58 evening Mar 14 20:28:05 Superfroggy: is it 7inch? Mar 14 21:17:53 hi swisstomcat Mar 14 21:18:03 hey rwhitby Mar 14 21:20:26 * bhuey reads forum flames wars Mar 14 21:20:27 fun Mar 14 21:20:36 bhuey: url? Mar 14 21:20:41 hehe Mar 14 21:20:56 same crap on webosnation Mar 14 21:21:02 ignore Mar 14 21:21:02 about Palm fuding being cut Mar 14 21:21:05 funding Mar 14 21:21:26 like the trollage is funny at times Mar 14 21:23:04 all I care about is whether or not one of the precious Verizon Pre 3's is still in my pocket Mar 14 21:24:12 we've got one of those to auction off Mar 14 21:24:23 oh really ? nice Mar 14 21:24:44 too bad they didn't make any more of them Mar 14 21:24:51 I still want a GSM Pre3, and/or a Veer. Mar 14 21:24:54 but that's me. lol. Mar 14 21:25:04 Verizon ones are world phones Mar 14 21:25:10 both CDMA and GSM radios Mar 14 21:25:15 I still need to get down to making patches. Mar 14 21:25:17 evilbill: what do you want to do with them? Mar 14 21:25:17 no HSPA+ though Mar 14 21:25:19 been buried lately. Mar 14 21:25:29 My daughter is screaming for a Veer. Mar 14 21:25:37 seriously, she saw one and fell in love. Mar 14 21:25:41 the biggest thing that can come to any webOS platform now is qtwebkit Mar 14 21:25:46 not a trivial adventure Mar 14 21:25:56 Me, I just have a Pre2 and a Touchpad, and the "gotta have them all" thing is bugging me. I don't have a real use for them. Mar 14 21:26:00 * bhuey wonders what the progress of that project is Mar 14 21:26:21 isis desktop is the latest post on the project wiki Mar 14 21:26:32 url ? Mar 14 21:26:33 i failed to build it so far tho Mar 14 21:26:36 isis-project.org Mar 14 21:26:46 yeah missing core packages and probably other bits of code I'm sure Mar 14 21:27:03 i'm even failing to build qt :/ Mar 14 21:27:48 yeah well, that's how it goes Mar 14 21:27:49 my webkit is failing on tests that aren't applicable with palm's customizations to qt (disabling context menus, e.g.) Mar 14 21:27:52 it's really kind of DoA Mar 14 21:28:32 I should be able to do something when the full kernel sources are release so... Mar 14 21:28:35 I'm waiting Mar 14 21:28:46 but I need powerd as well Mar 14 21:29:19 the msm8660 kernels have shit for power handling Mar 14 21:29:31 blame CoreAuroa and Qualcomm Mar 14 21:29:52 dwc: how far did you get with the nokia qt? my webkit build fails at the beginning Mar 14 21:30:12 * PatrickC loves his nokia phone Mar 14 21:30:20 http://developer.palm.com/blog/2012/03/sams-blog-a-community-release/ cool Mar 14 21:30:26 thanks for the tip rwhitby :) Mar 14 21:30:40 swisstomcat: I haven't looked at the vanilla qt since mid-feb Mar 14 21:30:43 PatrickC: which one ? Mar 14 21:30:52 lumia 800 Mar 14 21:31:00 which is what I started with before someone mentioned the palm qt repo there.... Mar 14 21:31:28 it's not too bad so far, disabling tests is pretty #ifndef easy Mar 14 21:31:52 (since I can tell the lack of contextmenu is what's killing them) Mar 14 21:32:19 oh nie Mar 14 21:32:20 nice Mar 14 21:32:25 what about the full git logs ? Mar 14 21:34:58 bhuey: "You should be able to work with it on any standard Linux kernel (e.g., Ubuntu or Debian-based) for now." - any idea what that means? Mar 14 21:35:06 no fucking clue Mar 14 21:35:18 no clue Mar 14 21:35:23 don't know what 'it' is here Mar 14 21:35:33 the hal? Mar 14 21:37:01 I read it as the HAL can be used on a desktop linux distro to run webOS services. Mar 14 21:37:16 what does the HAL actually do? Mar 14 21:38:06 swisstomcat: good question, you should ask Sam about it directly maybe Mar 14 21:38:30 in particular when the ETA for HAL related portability bits are coming ? Mar 14 21:38:49 apparently the hal will run on top of any standard linux kernel Mar 14 21:38:55 that is what it means Mar 14 21:39:10 where's the specification for it ? code ? Mar 14 21:39:28 if no code then where's the specification ? it's an open source project right ? Mar 14 21:39:29 i assume that the code will be released Mar 14 21:39:53 "in the next few days" Mar 14 21:40:44 ~. Mar 14 21:40:45 methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. Mar 14 21:40:51 bah Mar 14 21:40:59 connection froze Mar 14 21:43:41 you seem to hit that trigger I stuck in there a lot ;) Mar 14 21:45:33 happens Mar 14 21:45:39 socket went funky Mar 14 21:47:36 ok need to pick up my car but need to walk in the rain to do that, lame. Laters Mar 14 22:20:54 "the HAL" or HAL Mar 14 22:21:09 harware abstraction layer Mar 14 22:21:19 which most modern distos rely on Mar 14 22:22:42 http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal Mar 14 22:23:32 i cant imagine new HAL source needing to be released Mar 14 22:23:41 maybe some policies for hardware Mar 14 22:23:54 like input devices Mar 14 22:24:13 rwhitby - nope v early UK model with SIM card (I think based on the AT&T model) - trouble is s/n doesnt match with any of the builds on webos internals repository of webdoctors Mar 14 22:49:01 HAL is used here as an abstract term for such a layer of software, not as a reference to a gnome component. Mar 14 22:52:48 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_9000 <-- not this HAL? :) Mar 14 22:56:27 I hope not Mar 14 22:58:02 I'm sorry, Leo. I can't do that... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 15 02:59:58 2012