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Apr 02 03:48:04 <EricBlade> bhuey: drama? in webOS land? what are you talking about?
Apr 02 04:21:02 <bhuey> This times it's aliens from outer space posing a Gods here to come save our operating system
Apr 02 04:21:17 <bhuey> with some righteous code
Apr 02 05:40:25 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 02 05:46:49 <bhuey> ey
Apr 02 05:46:50 <bhuey> hey
Apr 02 05:52:15 <hewball> rwhitby: nice asus "switch"
Apr 02 05:55:35 <hewball> well more like a WL330N3G
Apr 02 05:56:39 <wrea> I wa trying to find out what it was earlier today
Apr 02 05:57:48 <hewball> i figured the asus australia page was a good place to start, and figured that was a network cable so had to be networking and that came up
Apr 02 06:07:29 <bhuey> rwhitby: doctored my Pre 3 and install a few patches from homebrew today to increase performan
Apr 02 06:07:32 <bhuey> performance
Apr 02 06:07:42 <bhuey> working great now like it was a new phone
Apr 02 06:08:22 <bhuey> muffle system logs and the sensor patches really helped it
Apr 02 06:08:25 <bhuey> no overclocking
Apr 02 07:18:33 <vin033> hi
Apr 02 07:18:43 <vin033> any body here?
Apr 02 07:37:39 <krushia> no
Apr 02 10:41:47 <pc-world> Any ideas where the com.palm.applicationManager could be located in the filesystem or how to figure it out?
Apr 02 10:57:31 <pc-world> ok, I guess it's in LunaSysMgr, at least I see there lots of methods of applicationManager
Apr 02 15:47:16 <rwhitby> hewball: the asus device was from one of the german guys visiting the meet-up in eindhoven
Apr 02 15:47:22 <rwhitby> it was a travel router
Apr 02 15:48:06 <hewball> rwhitby: i worked what it was already
Apr 02 15:48:51 <rwhitby> ok
Apr 02 19:26:29 <DMeister-IT> HI
Apr 02 19:27:31 <DMeister-IT> everyone that bought an HP Veer still waiting webOS 2.2.4 update
Apr 02 19:28:24 <DMeister-IT> do not believe it's time to push HP to release it?
Apr 02 19:29:56 <DMeister-IT> webOS 2.1.2 it's bugged (I know you know...) and it's immoral for HP not fix it!
Apr 02 19:30:34 <DMeister-IT> Let us hear!
Apr 02 19:30:57 <summatusmentis> immoral?
Apr 02 19:31:48 <DMeister-IT> yeah a company of the likes of HP, which lets users use a buggy software without fixing
Apr 02 19:31:59 <DMeister-IT> it's immoral.
Apr 02 19:32:38 <DMeister-IT> webOS 2.1.2 causes significant problems and reboots and I know that nothing can be done if not a webOS update that will fix these issues.
Apr 02 19:33:49 <DMeister-IT> I've already sent an email to pdc... but not answered.
Apr 02 19:35:36 <DMeister-IT> maybe with the support of all communities together we can do something...
Apr 02 20:17:55 <PatrickC> RichT23, ping?
Apr 02 20:19:12 <PatrickC> DMeister-IT, i believe there is a meta-doctor that works for building 2.2.4 for the veer.. im not 100% sure, but i think so
Apr 02 20:20:25 <PatrickC> though im not seeing the script.. i really thought there was.. sorry DMeister-IT
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Apr 02 20:24:03 <DMeister-IT> With the webOS community' support we can update to webOS 2.2.3/2.2.4 with an unsigned system, but it can fails and can cause problems, especially at A6 chip.
Apr 02 20:29:49 <PatrickC> DMeister-IT, maybe when OpenwebOS is released, there might be a port.. depending on what releases.
Apr 02 20:30:14 <PatrickC> but i think i heard talk of a 2.2.4 port to the veer and it didnt work.. maybe? im not exactly sure.. as i only run the Pre series :)
Apr 02 20:31:48 <rwhitby> DMeister-IT: there is no 2.2.4 for veer legally available
Apr 02 20:32:29 <DMeister-IT> PatrickC the community system it's ok... but for Veer was promised an update and HP has it! So, why they don't relase it?! that's my question... maybe with the all communities' support we can do something
Apr 02 20:32:38 <rwhitby> what you have seen uses illegally redistributed proprietary files, and should not be encouraged.
Apr 02 20:33:23 <DMeister-IT> @Rod I know but you understand that is impractical
Apr 02 20:33:34 <DMeister-IT> Veer needs update
Apr 02 20:33:38 <PatrickC> DMeister-IT, they also promised a 2.1 update to the Pre-/+ .. and that never came
Apr 02 20:33:52 <PatrickC> for updates, HP has been known to make a promise that they couldnt keep
Apr 02 20:34:11 <PatrickC> wouldnt suprise me if this is the same. but im hoping with OpenwebOS this will change :)
Apr 02 20:34:19 <PatrickC> hey rwhitby. hows it goin over there?
Apr 02 20:34:57 <DMeister-IT> @PatrickC that problem is solved and it's was for a problem about performance of devices, for veer is a bureaucratic problem
Apr 02 20:35:13 <rwhitby> DMeister-IT: many illegal things are less practical than legal things. that does not make them a right.
Apr 02 20:35:26 <rwhitby> s/less/more/
Apr 02 20:35:27 <infobot> rwhitby meant: DMeister-IT: many illegal things are more practical than legal things. that does not make them a right.
Apr 02 20:35:34 <PatrickC> DMeister-IT, yet my pre- works fine on 2.1.. it isnt that much of a performance problem
Apr 02 20:36:18 <DMeister-IT> PatrickC I've the Pre- and I've tested for months: without patches it's horrible with 2.1
Apr 02 20:36:53 <PatrickC> i went for over a few months without upgrading to a OC kernel and it was fine for me. got a little slow every now and then, but it worked fine
Apr 02 20:37:01 <DMeister-IT> And it's the problem for HP. @Rod I know, but HP has the update! why they don't relase it? XD it's insane...
Apr 02 20:37:33 <PatrickC> DMeister-IT, and how do you know they *have* the update. and it could be that AT&T is telling HP they don't want the update..
Apr 02 20:37:47 <PatrickC> it isn't always HP's fault, as much as you seem to want it to be
Apr 02 20:38:42 <DMeister-IT> I know because AT&T confirms me that they haven't responsibility for this issue, HP still don't relase them the update
Apr 02 20:38:59 <PatrickC> the Pre- that runs on Telcel in Mexico is the same Pre- that runs on Sprint in the US, yet the Sprint Pre- has had webOS 1.4.5 for well over a year i believe. Telcel just got the update a few weeks ago
Apr 02 20:39:32 <DMeister-IT> exatly... it's an HP problem
Apr 02 20:39:52 <PatrickC> so HP released the update to one carrier over the other.. not likely
Apr 02 20:41:29 <DMeister-IT> yes but for Telcel there's another kind of situation... they ever had in late with update, since webOS 1.0
Apr 02 20:41:46 <DMeister-IT> for market problem i think...
Apr 02 20:44:17 <DMeister-IT> however... my idea was to contact HP all togheter to obtain the update... let me know if you agree...
Apr 02 20:48:25 <PatrickC> DMeister-IT, i doubt theyll give u the update lol
Apr 02 20:51:40 <dwc-> by your own admission, the update people have seen can fail.
Apr 02 20:51:49 <dwc-> therefore, it is not ready.
Apr 02 20:52:35 <dwc-> what would be immoral is releasing an update known to break devices
Apr 02 20:52:35 <DMeister-IT> we'll never know unless we try ...^^ pdc@palm.com now don't respond even more, it is true, but perhaps if "someone who works with them"  ask them... ;)
Apr 02 20:53:28 <dwc-> I bought my veer, with the hope that it'd be updated so I could T2S with the touchpad, but under no real belief that it would ever get it.
Apr 02 20:54:24 <DMeister-IT> oh of course the update can't be that we can find illegally... but I don't think possible that in months still it not ready
Apr 02 20:54:41 <DMeister-IT> *is
Apr 02 20:54:42 <dwc-> lies, damn lies, statistics, software release dates
Apr 02 20:54:54 <rwhitby> especially when carriers are involved
Apr 02 20:55:16 <DMeister-IT> exatly
Apr 02 20:56:16 <DMeister-IT> I know everyone is wondering if HP still believes in webOS, but I mean ...
Apr 02 20:56:19 <dwc-> and as of late, missing a bunch of their staffing ...
Apr 02 20:57:38 <DMeister-IT> The crisis affects everyone, ok ... but here the community now lives only for love ... soon will things change ...
Apr 02 20:58:30 <PatrickC> dwc-, when i was looking at the meta-doctor scrips, i saw a meta-att-tts-2.1.2 script i believe
Apr 02 21:01:36 <DMeister-IT> PatrickC yes, but here I'm not talking about community development with linux code, the average user doesn't want to lose this time (I speak at this time for some members of the Italian community, even  developers that for these reasons are reluctant to believe in webOS)
Apr 02 21:01:49 <dwc-> I don't actually care. I played with it between pre3s/touchpads and had my 5 min of fun
Apr 02 21:02:30 <PatrickC> dwc-, yeah. i did the same. with just websites being able to be shared, there isnt much fun there imo
Apr 02 21:04:02 <DMeister-IT> who knows maybe this guy will succeed http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-open-source-devices/313705-owop-open-webos-phones-community.html
Apr 02 21:06:29 <DMeister-IT> undoubtedly he'll get my support ... but people! here we need a wake up! before the coming September!
Apr 02 21:08:27 <DMeister-IT> bye all...
Apr 02 21:24:28 <rwhitby> 1 million phones sold.  right.  dream on.
Apr 02 21:26:50 <wrea> yeah
Apr 02 21:27:28 <dwc-> well, if they sell to carriers, they can use that fuzzy math like everyone else does.
Apr 02 21:27:35 <rwhitby> getting a bit sick of all these people thinking they can create viable smartphones out of thin air and nebulous ideas about chinese manufacturers.
Apr 02 21:27:36 <wrea> I'd would have had better old on winning that 560mil lottery on friday than getting a million phones sold
Apr 02 21:27:59 <dwc-> I only bought 5 tickets, so I didn't win
Apr 02 21:29:02 <wrea> i bought $10 worth, first time buying lottery tickets too
Apr 02 21:34:05 <wrea> wooo, finally above 60F
Apr 02 21:35:10 <dwc-> <- 2nd time ... I bought 1 when I turned 18.
Apr 03 01:41:39 <krushia> http://ompldr.org/vZDhwaQ
Apr 03 01:43:14 <krushia> nothing like iProduct sms spam on your webos phone
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