**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 03 03:00:01 2012
May 03 03:10:52 <cenobyte_> installing mplayer did not work either
May 03 03:11:08 <cenobyte_> the wiki does not seem to have any relevant things
May 03 03:47:11 <lee____> lokking for freetether
May 03 03:48:27 <PatrickC> lol
May 03 03:49:00 <hewball> damnit why does nothing crash when im trying to run a debug on it
May 03 03:49:18 <PatrickC> hewball, cause that would make it easy :P
May 03 03:49:27 <cenobyte_> ok so still no sound from the chroot
May 03 03:49:56 <cenobyte_> how much did you all get your Pre's for?
May 03 03:49:57 <hewball> 700mb of qualcomm  modem debug and still no crash
May 03 03:50:14 * PatrickC paid $0
May 03 03:50:21 <PatrickC> for all of them :)
May 03 03:50:30 <cenobyte_> lol
May 03 03:50:38 <cenobyte_> donated?
May 03 03:50:47 <invalidopcode> PatrickC is special
May 03 03:51:14 <PatrickC> cenobyte_, developer devices
May 03 03:51:31 <cenobyte_> so i notice there is no text editor for the pixi that is gpl/mit licenced
May 03 03:51:37 <cenobyte_> are there some for Pre?
May 03 03:51:51 <cenobyte_> or is there a need to port say leafpad or geany
May 03 03:52:28 <cenobyte_> and same for file managers
May 03 03:52:38 <PatrickC> for file manager, use Internalz
May 03 03:52:49 <PatrickC> for text editor, i forget the nam.. PuffTheMagic_ made it
May 03 03:54:49 <cenobyte_> is that the same as InternalZ pro?
May 03 03:55:06 <PatrickC> yes
May 03 03:55:13 <PatrickC> Internalz Pro is the one i was referring to :)
May 03 03:57:43 <cenobyte_> is there enough about the app catalog to convince one to make a palm profile, or is preware sufficient?
May 03 03:58:18 <PatrickC> there is a lot in the catalog
May 03 03:58:23 <PatrickC> no reason not to make a palm profile
May 03 03:58:27 <PatrickC> it backs everything up
May 03 03:58:52 <cenobyte_> is it invasive, or just email is required?
May 03 03:59:08 <PatrickC> just email required
May 03 03:59:12 <invalidopcode> just the backup stuff is worth it
May 03 04:00:44 <cenobyte_> does it backup data or just programs?
May 03 04:01:12 <PatrickC> both
May 03 04:01:14 <PatrickC> bbl
May 03 04:01:20 <PatrickC> invalidopcode can probably tell you more :)
May 03 04:09:29 <invalidopcode> PatrickC huh?
May 03 04:15:51 <cenobyte_> have any of you all tried SHR?
May 03 04:33:27 <cenobyte_> can that Internalz Pro read from an ext3 partition if I have one?
May 03 04:42:30 <invalidopcode> cenobyte_: what's SHR?
May 03 04:44:40 <hewball> anyone ever used PmModemQxdmLogger ?
May 03 05:18:56 <cenobyte_> SHR is a program to build a 100% free OS for the Pre and other smartphones
May 03 05:20:16 <cenobyte_> it works with the nokia n900, palm Pre/2 and a few others
May 03 05:24:56 <ka6sox> can you make phone calls with it?
May 03 05:25:09 <ka6sox> does it work with Bluetooth, or Wifi?
May 03 05:26:58 <ka6sox> can I take pictures with it?
May 03 05:30:08 <cenobyte_> apparently, yes
May 03 05:30:19 <cenobyte_> most stuff works it's quite impressive
May 03 05:30:31 <cenobyte_> and is faster than webos
May 03 05:30:37 <cenobyte_> due to lighter guie
May 03 05:30:53 <cenobyte_> they use some hacked version of enlightenment
May 03 05:31:15 <cenobyte_> but if someone is used to alot of the non-free stuff, they may miss it
May 03 05:31:22 <cenobyte_> you can dual boot though
May 03 05:31:33 <cenobyte_> especially on 16gb + devices
May 03 05:32:40 <ka6sox> sounds good for you...have fun :D
May 03 05:32:50 <cenobyte_> lol ok
May 03 05:32:56 <cenobyte_> back tomorrow maybe
May 03 05:33:22 <ka6sox> is SHR on topic here?
May 03 07:06:40 <AndChat|349076> Hi guys, anyone care to help me revive a touchpad? On a charger, only have blinking home light. After power+vol-up+home it stops flashing. In this state it's detected on a usb port with dev ID 0830:8070 Palm Inc.
May 03 07:07:55 <AndChat|349076> Lsusb returns iManufacturer 1 bootie, but novaterm does not see the device
May 03 07:09:19 <AndChat|349076> Anything I can try? Left charging for hours, tried all the gutton combos, screen never turned on. This one has been sitting in it's box since november.
May 03 07:19:02 <FaberfoX_> damn, AndChat died on me and stole my nick, I'll repeat what I said.
May 03 07:21:14 <FaberfoX_> Brand new touchpad, turned it on when bought last november, sitting in it's box since then. Now, plugged to known working wall charger (it's charging my other pad) for over 3 hours, all I get is cylon eye home button (cycling between the two leds at .5secs)
May 03 07:23:13 <FaberfoX_> Tried all known button combos, nothing. Connect to linux pc, same blink, after 15 secs of power+vol-up+home, led goes off and device appears on usb bus with ID 0830:8070 Palm, Inc.
May 03 07:26:37 <FaberfoX_> Screen still off (never turned on), novacom does not see a device, is there anything else I can try? I see on lsusb -v iManufacturer 1 bootie, full response from lsusb -v at http://pastebin.com/MhWtvKgE
May 03 07:39:52 <hewball> if its in Bootie mode, try and run the doctor
May 03 07:40:39 <FaberfoX_> doctor won't detect the device, on my other pad usb ID is 0830:8071, I guess that's what the doctor expects
May 03 07:41:32 <destinal> FaberfoX_: the bootie ID is different from the novacom ID
May 03 07:41:45 <FaberfoX_> I triggered this same state on the working one by turning off and powering on with power+volup+home, then ID was 0830:8070 and neither doctor or novacom saw it
May 03 07:42:00 <destinal> FaberfoX_: did you get the latest SDK?
May 03 07:42:04 <FaberfoX_> yes
May 03 07:42:11 <destinal> try another computer
May 03 07:42:16 <destinal> something's wrong
May 03 07:42:33 <FaberfoX_> did you look at my pastebin?
May 03 07:42:53 <destinal> yeah that looks fine
May 03 07:43:06 <FaberfoX_> but it shows no endpoints...
May 03 07:44:25 <destinal> FaberfoX_: I could try lsusb on linux box connected to my touchpad if it would make you feel better but I think it's correct
May 03 07:45:02 <destinal> FaberfoX_: what linux distribution are you using and have you ever successfully doctored on it?
May 03 07:45:27 <FaberfoX_> I tried on the working one and when I have the usb screen it's different, if I turn on with the 3 buttons the working one enters this mode with same id and nothing on screen
May 03 07:45:45 <FaberfoX_> I just doctored my other pad on this same computer
May 03 07:45:52 <FaberfoX_> ubuntu 12.04
May 03 07:45:53 <destinal> hmmm
May 03 07:46:38 <destinal> three buttons different ID than volume up + power on?
May 03 07:46:48 <FaberfoX_> yep
May 03 07:47:01 <FaberfoX_> 8070 vs 8071
May 03 07:47:21 <destinal> could always hexedit your novacomd to add the 8070 ID I suppose if it's not there
May 03 07:47:34 <FaberfoX_> http://pastebin.com/hW7FW3hh proper bootie on working one
May 03 07:48:19 <destinal> and, and there are the endpoints.. odd
May 03 07:48:58 <destinal> FaberfoX_: I don't think we've ever identified and documented  what mode the touchpad goes into with three buttons pressed on poweron
May 03 07:49:51 <destinal> could be a special qualcomm bootloader
May 03 07:49:59 <destinal> or alternative bootie mode
May 03 07:50:24 <hewball> plug it into a windows machine that will tell you if its a qualcomm bootloader
May 03 07:50:25 <FaberfoX_> that's what I think but foudn no reference for it
May 03 07:51:03 <destinal> hewball: what would it do if it was and you plugged it into a windows machine?
May 03 07:51:08 <FaberfoX_> will have to look for a vm, full linux home here ;)
May 03 07:51:12 <hewball> what buttons ill try it
May 03 07:51:25 <hewball> windows will tell you Qualcomm MSM
May 03 07:51:36 <FaberfoX_> power on+vol-up+home
May 03 07:51:51 <hewball> sorry cant right now touchpad isnt with me i thought  it was
May 03 07:51:51 <FaberfoX_> for 15 seconds
May 03 07:52:24 <hewball> windows device manager with my pre3 tells me its a qualcomm msm, if i get it into some weird mode
May 03 07:52:48 <FaberfoX_> is there anything that can be done on a touchpad when in that mode
May 03 07:52:49 <FaberfoX_> ?
May 03 07:53:21 <hewball> i removed the battery to get my pre3 out of it
May 03 07:55:11 <FaberfoX_> hard to do on this one ;) worst part is I'm in Argentina and would have to ship it back and forth to the states to get it serviced. it's under warranty but before sending it back I want to exhaust all possibilities
May 03 07:55:20 <hewball> i used QXDM to get my pre3 into that mode though, so im not sure if thats what it is
May 03 07:57:01 <FaberfoX_> I'll try OMAP boot Procedure from the wiki, has anyone tried this on a touchpad?
May 03 07:58:39 <FaberfoX_> woa! I left it for the last 20 minutes in this 3 button on mode on the charger and now I have the red battery screen! :D
May 03 07:59:22 <FaberfoX_> I repeat, it was with the blinking home for over 3 hours and charger wasn't warm, in this mode it looks like it charged
May 03 08:01:17 <destinal> FaberfoX_: nice!
May 03 08:02:09 <destinal> FaberfoX_: and yeah it's a qualcomm not OMAP so OMAP boot wouldn't work, we've never figured out how to boot touchpad if bootie is damaged the way we can on OMAP
May 03 08:02:21 <destinal> there's got to be a way I imagine, I just don't know what it is
May 03 08:02:29 <FaberfoX_> really happy now, someone with wiki access should note this weird 3-button mode, I have to assume it's what got it to charge when the blinking lights one didn't
May 03 08:02:45 <hewball> destinal: i think the qualcomm debugging tools could do it
May 03 08:03:09 <destinal> hewball: good idea
May 03 08:03:30 <hewball> i know this as im debugging a modem crash causing hardware reboot on a pre3
May 03 08:04:21 <destinal> hewball: we've got to collect this info on the wiki I think
May 03 08:06:21 <hewball> ahh it looks like its called "download mode"
May 03 08:07:24 <hewball> well thats what QNSP calls it, and i get  "Qualcomm CDMA Technologies MSM" as the device name
May 03 08:07:37 <hewball> er QPST
May 03 08:08:33 <hewball> hardware ID 05C6:9006
May 03 08:10:14 <FaberfoX_> http://rootzwiki.com/topic/9348-tp-wont-charge/page__st__10#entry241708 this guy is the only google find on this usb id (0830:8070)
May 03 08:11:13 <FaberfoX_> I don't if it's just that I'm lucky or if leaving it in this mode is what finally get it to start
May 03 08:12:11 <FaberfoX_> I need to get some sleep (5am here) but can't until I see it boot #)
May 03 08:14:32 <hewball> FaberfoX_: does power and home button held down do anything?
May 03 08:14:47 <hewball> and did you install android?
May 03 08:15:12 <FaberfoX_> I couldn't help myself and just tried it, it boot back to red line battery screen
May 03 08:15:52 <FaberfoX_> this pad is totally virgin, only turned on once in november, boxed since then.
May 03 08:16:20 <hewball> if you have got the red battery, leave it like that on a charger?
May 03 08:16:54 <hewball> not plugged onto PC but on wall wort
May 03 08:16:58 <FaberfoX_> yes, that's where it's been last 15 minutes
May 03 08:17:19 <hewball> you might find it completly discharged the battery and will take a while to come back
May 03 08:18:41 <FaberfoX_> I know, was about to abandon all hope, I had no response from the tablet for 7 hours
May 03 08:19:35 <hewball> ive seen android completly discharge the battery, like your explaining
May 03 08:19:42 <hewball> it came back but it wasnt fast
May 03 08:20:23 <FaberfoX_> It happened to me on the one I use all the time, but it came back in no more than 20 minutes
May 03 08:21:30 <FaberfoX_> but this one sat unused for 6 months, and the one time I turned it on was just to make sure it worked so the battery must have been at factory level then
May 03 08:25:24 <FaberfoX_> well, I'll go get some sleep, I'll let you know once I wake if it finally booted, but now I have high hopes it will. Night guys
May 03 08:26:17 <destinal> FaberfoX_: night
May 03 08:34:43 <FaberfoX_> brushed teeth, came back to booted tablet, I'll sleep quietly now with a smile in my face
May 03 08:35:04 <hewball> FaberfoX_: night , and YAY
May 03 11:16:20 <hewball> anyone know of trace32 on webos?
May 03 11:49:13 <YeahRight> does the Touchpad support a MHL microUSB to HDMI Adapter?
May 03 11:52:23 <hewball> YeahRight: not that i have seen yet
May 03 11:52:41 <YeahRight> i guess that means nO then :P
May 03 11:52:53 <YeahRight> pity
May 03 20:00:57 <panel> hello, is it possible to self change display on veer ?
May 03 20:49:14 <habergowd> hello.
May 03 20:49:35 <habergowd> could someone help me please?
May 03 20:51:56 <habergowd> no?
May 03 20:52:05 <habergowd> nobody?
May 03 20:59:50 <Habbie> habergowd, at least ask your question. helping you without knowing your issue is impossible
May 03 21:00:06 <habergowd> oh, thanks
May 03 21:00:20 <habergowd> so, i have installed some things to my touchpad
May 03 21:00:45 <habergowd> uberkalendar, uberkernel, enyo smooth scrolling, and glass suite
May 03 21:00:51 <habergowd> rebooted
May 03 21:01:17 <habergowd> and now, preware doesn't load, device info doesn't load, govnah doesn't load, and calendar app doesn't load
May 03 21:01:27 <habergowd> and I don't know what should i do
May 03 21:01:40 <habergowd> tried reinstalling preware, didn't help
May 03 21:03:11 <habergowd> also, internalz pro doesn't load
May 03 21:04:00 <habergowd> i don't want to doctor.
May 03 21:04:54 <habergowd> project macaw doesn't load.
May 03 21:05:19 <habergowd> the card opens, icon starts flashing
May 03 21:05:35 <habergowd> and infinite flashing...
May 03 21:05:44 <habergowd> a second, I come back from my TP
May 03 21:07:52 <habergowd_> came back.
May 03 21:08:20 <habergowd_> does anyobe have a sokution for this?
May 03 21:08:34 <habergowd_> anyone*
May 03 21:08:46 <habergowd_> solution*
May 03 21:13:09 <habergowd_> please...
May 03 21:27:35 <ka6sox> Patience...we are all volunteers here....
May 03 21:49:34 <destinal> habergowd_: doctoring really may be your best option IMO, I've never heard of this issue before
May 03 22:14:05 <tmandry> ka6sox: am now. feel free to pm when I don't respond :p
May 03 23:10:48 <Adora> lazyirc:  please suggest a plain old (but reliable) webhost with an admin panel that doesn't suck
May 03 23:11:38 <Adora> I use dreamhost for my personal sites, which has a great panel...but reliability isn't stellar
May 03 23:12:18 <Adora> and media temple just wasted a couple of my hours figuring out that only the admin account can use sftp
May 03 23:12:32 <Adora> so eff them
May 03 23:12:38 <rwhitby> Adora: g'day
May 03 23:13:05 * Adora simmers down in rwhitby's capable presence
May 03 23:15:09 <rwhitby> Adora: you should talk to cryptk|offline who works at rackspace and can probably get you a deal ;)
May 03 23:15:41 <Adora> I looked at rackspace, but it's waaaaaaay overkill for what I need
May 03 23:15:59 <Adora> I just need simple shared hosting
May 03 23:15:59 <rwhitby> Tom uses dreamhost
May 03 23:17:13 <bhuey> folks
May 03 23:17:17 <Adora> shared or vps or...?
May 03 23:17:21 <halfhalo> when I was with lunarpages they were generally pretty decent Adora.
May 03 23:18:33 <Adora> halfhalo: I'm hoping to find something "reliably pretty decent"
May 03 23:19:06 <cenobyte_> hello all
May 03 23:19:20 <Adora> so hard to research in this space since it's a race to the bottom, and it's hard to trust reviews because everyone's pumping their referral codes
May 03 23:19:36 <halfhalo> Don't remember them ever going down when I used them.  Only issue is you have to call to cancel.
May 03 23:20:50 <cenobyte_> so I found out that some things in the chroot install to /bin/games/
May 03 23:22:32 <cenobyte_> any recommendations for a wm to install in the debian chroot and how to set it up?
May 03 23:22:56 <Adora> halfhalo: looks like lunarpages uses cpanel?  http://wiki.lunarpages.com/Category:CPanel
May 03 23:23:13 <Adora> which, as I understand, has the same ssh limitation
May 03 23:24:51 <halfhalo> dunno, never used ssh with it.  but yes, it does use cpanel
May 03 23:27:52 <ka6sox> hiya Adora
May 03 23:28:49 <Adora> ka6sox!
May 03 23:29:09 <Adora> darling, I need you!
May 03 23:30:02 <Adora> is dreamhost really the best choice for basic webhosting?
May 03 23:30:11 <rwhitby> Adora: tom has a vps with them
May 03 23:30:55 * rwhitby leaves Adora in expert hands
May 03 23:32:38 <destinal> Adora: I've used cookiehost because they've been decent / reliable for me and sometimes have absurdly good deals.   like $12 per YEAR for their usually $100/year package  http://cookiehost.com/crazy88.php
May 03 23:33:27 <destinal> hmm may be expired now though
May 03 23:33:55 <ka6sox> Adora, I have been using them for a LONG time.
May 03 23:35:39 * bhuey finds it ironic how all wosi is good for s web hosting advice now
May 03 23:36:03 <bhuey> typing with one hand is problematic
May 03 23:36:30 <destinal> bhuey: ouch
May 03 23:37:01 <destinal> that hurts
May 03 23:37:06 <bhuey> :)
May 03 23:37:42 <bhuey> there's alway a bit of sarcasm in anything I say keep in mind :)
May 03 23:38:09 * rwhitby is shocked that bhuey is ever sarcastic ;)
May 03 23:38:13 <destinal> lol
May 03 23:38:55 <bhuey> being dissed dating white women can bring that side out of me:)
May 03 23:39:12 <bhuey> church doesn't seem to help it at all
May 03 23:39:50 <bhuey> all of that alla akbar gives only partial relief
May 03 23:40:27 * rwhitby notices that's two out of three, and waits for the politics reference next ...
May 03 23:41:17 * rwhitby bbl
May 03 23:41:31 <bhuey> if I only had blinky lights with my car, I'd then be a true ricer
May 03 23:41:54 <bhuey> then women that look like my sister would want to date me
May 03 23:46:52 * bhuey pictures how he's going flame upper management at HP
May 03 23:47:21 <bhuey> I'm like pure hater right now but I'm actually in a good mood :)
May 03 23:48:59 <destinal> ah well as long as you're having a good time..
May 03 23:49:01 <destinal> :P
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