**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 06 03:00:01 2012
May 06 07:27:58 <EricBlade> someone ought to try tweaking the callcapabilities.skypem database entry to see if changing the videoFormat from portrait to landscape does anything useful
May 06 15:39:45 <hackmate> hi all what about countries that cant buy apps from app catalog?
May 06 15:41:41 <oldtopman> hackmate: I thought there was a tweak that could change the region, but I can't remember what it was, and I've sold my touchpad now, so I can't help you :<
May 06 18:25:31 <cenobyte_> has anyone thought of porting Minitube to webos?
May 06 18:31:07 <EricBlade> what's a minitube?
May 06 18:48:02 <cenobyte_> minitube is a youtube player that does not use any proprietary software
May 06 18:48:10 <cenobyte_> it is pretty light
May 06 18:49:12 <cenobyte_> here is the url http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube
May 06 18:49:37 <invalidopcode> cenobyte_: http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube?
May 06 18:49:43 <invalidopcode> opps... haha
May 06 18:50:41 <invalidopcode> i think that would be a pretty big project
May 06 18:51:55 <invalidopcode> well... actually maybe not considering it appears to be written in QT
May 06 18:53:01 <cenobyte_> i know it runs OK on my humble 1ghz VIA netbook, but maybe it is not light enough
May 06 18:53:21 <invalidopcode> ah ok
May 06 18:53:38 <cenobyte_> i'm not sure if anyone has done an ARM port yet
May 06 18:56:07 <cenobyte_> well it appears to run on the Pandora handheld
May 06 18:58:32 <invalidopcode> ah
May 06 18:58:57 <cenobyte_> that has an A8 cortex at 600mhz with 256mb ram
May 06 18:59:05 <cenobyte_> very similar to pre+
May 06 19:08:18 <destinal> cenobyte_: more than that, Pandora has OMAP3530, pre has OMAP3430, Pre2 has OMAP3630
May 06 19:09:22 <destinal> so they are very very similar (and use the same GPU)
May 06 19:13:32 <cenobyte_> i guess there is no need if people use that included youtube player in webos
May 06 19:19:56 <invalidopcode> there isn't an included player on the touchpad
May 06 19:19:59 <invalidopcode> :/
May 06 19:31:42 <destinal> invalidopcode: yes but it works fine in flash on touchpad
May 06 19:32:18 <invalidopcode> destinal: yeah but that's not really a nice "app" to use
May 06 19:32:56 <destinal> someone could make a nice enyo app that just embeds the videos
May 06 19:33:14 <invalidopcode> don't look at /me
May 06 21:38:35 <EricBlade> https://hp.taleo.net/careersection/2/jobdetail.ftl
May 06 23:15:53 <destinal> The job is no longer available.
May 06 23:16:50 <halfhalo> dundun....
May 06 23:17:53 <destinal> halfhalo: did you take the job already?
May 06 23:17:53 <destinal> on a Sunday no less.  Nice work, sir.
May 06 23:17:59 <halfhalo> I wish
May 06 23:19:57 <EricBlade> bah the urls don't work
May 06 23:20:01 <EricBlade> javascript driven
May 06 23:20:23 <EricBlade> not enyo as you can imagine
May 06 23:20:48 <halfhalo> lol
May 06 23:21:24 <EricBlade> search webOS on that site
May 06 23:21:28 <EricBlade> lots of interesting jobs
May 06 23:21:44 <halfhalo> yup
May 06 23:32:06 <destinal> EricBlade: good to see they're still investing
May 06 23:32:28 <EricBlade> my gf is like SWEET WE'RE GONNA MOVE TO CALIFORNIA
May 06 23:32:29 <destinal> mainly because I still care about the future of webOS even if others have given up hope
May 06 23:32:46 <EricBlade> i'm like.. uh.. i'm a little too much for an intern position, and way too inexperienced for a senior
May 06 23:33:34 <destinal> EricBlade: still you should maybe call or email and see if they have anything they've not posted, orgs will sometimes even create new positions for the right candidate if it meets their goals in a way they hadn't planned
May 06 23:33:36 <EricBlade> also, we just signed a year long lease, and i'd like to see the product i'm working on now come out before i jump anyway
May 06 23:33:50 <destinal> EricBlade: ahh
May 06 23:34:09 <EricBlade> on the bright side, our lease is breakable... at a cost of $1800 + 2 months rent
May 06 23:34:15 <destinal> EricBlade: so at any rate I'm moving to CA next month anyway, but so cal not bay area
May 06 23:34:17 <halfhalo> doitdoitdoit
May 06 23:34:54 <destinal> bay area is insanely expensive to live in
May 06 23:35:10 <EricBlade> to her, i'm some kind of Rod Whitby, i know -everything- about webOS... to everyone else, i'm just a developer that's probably spent way too much time muddling through figuring out things that shouldn't have been as hard as they were
May 06 23:35:18 <invalidopcode> EricBlade: California is nice, we have cookies :P
May 06 23:36:02 <invalidopcode> woah destinal you're coming to so cal?
May 06 23:36:18 <destinal> invalidopcode: back to so cal yeah.  I'm from there
May 06 23:36:23 * halfhalo wants internship
May 06 23:36:37 <destinal> invalidopcode: 0-13 years old I lived in Lake Elsinore
May 06 23:37:02 <invalidopcode> destinal: ah cool
May 06 23:37:50 <invalidopcode> are you planning on going back to that area or somewhere else?
May 06 23:39:43 <destinal> invalidopcode: actually yeah probably that area.  low cost of living, apparently low crime and high graduation rates, relatively inexpensive land available (want to build my own house eventually), poker, an hour's drive to most things in so cal.  Not too bad.
May 06 23:40:18 <halfhalo> socal is awesome
May 06 23:40:34 <destinal> well an hour's drive in no traffic lol   -- will have to watch my timing
May 06 23:41:18 <destinal> halfhalo: just don't live in LA.  people who live there are certifiable
May 06 23:41:23 <invalidopcode> hahaha yeah, well those are some pretty good reasons
May 06 23:41:41 <halfhalo> destinal, agreed.  Right now I live in the Sanfran Valley
May 06 23:42:00 <invalidopcode> plus we don't have winters like the rest of the country :P
May 06 23:42:07 <destinal> halfhalo: san frans insanely $$$$
May 06 23:42:29 <halfhalo> No, we have warm, slightly warmer, hot, and slightly cold with water falling down
May 06 23:42:29 <destinal> not as bad as NYC but bad
May 06 23:42:47 <destinal> halfhalo: and every few years, a thunderstorm!  :)
May 06 23:42:53 <destinal> well SF anyway
May 06 23:42:58 <halfhalo> or fire!
May 06 23:43:06 <invalidopcode> or earthquake
May 06 23:43:12 <halfhalo> or all at the same time!
May 06 23:43:16 <invalidopcode> haha
May 06 23:43:41 <halfhalo> oh, and occasionally tornadoes apparently in ventura county.
May 06 23:44:13 <invalidopcode> ?
May 06 23:44:39 <destinal> halfhalo: hehe so yeah all at the same time like in 1906 and 1989.  ok well those were just earthquakes with fires.  No idea about storms :)
May 06 23:51:50 <invalidopcode> destinal: btw sorry I still having finished that wiki article on synergy plugins... i've been really busy lately, hopefully after the next few weeks I'll get back to writing it
May 07 00:31:33 <destinal> invalidopcode: ah cool, that would be great
May 07 00:31:36 <destinal> we really need to revitalize this community man, what the hell has happened
May 07 00:31:39 <destinal> everyone's just kind of lurking, hardly anyone talking or hacking
May 07 00:32:09 <invalidopcode> yeah I very much agree... the main question is how?
May 07 00:33:09 <destinal> well developing cool stuff is a good part of it. we can build up some kind of collective energy just by releasing exciting things (plugins is a good start) -- and porting webos to other stuff would be great when that source code is released, but waiting that long would be a bad idea IMO
May 07 00:33:57 <destinal> so one wonders, what other cool stuff can we do for webos, especailly filling in missing pieces people want filled and doing awesome things that can't be done on other platforms even better
May 07 00:34:12 <invalidopcode> i think your right about the wait, it almost feels like interest goes down daily... especially with news of executives leaving each week
May 07 00:34:43 <destinal> invalidopcode: well what made webos exciting a lot of the time was webos-internals as much or more than what HP was doing, but here we sit, mostly just sititng
May 07 00:35:39 <invalidopcode> ah I see... I wish I had been active back during those days
May 07 00:36:36 <destinal> for me what it comes down to, I'm not jumping ship for android mainly because I hate android
May 07 00:36:57 <destinal> and iOS is walled garden, I might develop apps and sell them or something but I wouldn't want to live in that OS all the time
May 07 00:37:22 <invalidopcode> plus the cost of entry is really high for iOS
May 07 00:37:43 <invalidopcode> what about a webos ide?
May 07 00:38:18 <invalidopcode> or at least an updated enyo-plugin for eclipse
May 07 00:40:50 <destinal> ah I didn't realize the eclipse plugin was out of date
May 07 00:41:06 <invalidopcode> yeah its mojo only
May 07 00:41:10 <destinal> I think there's a new Ares coming from HP, for one.
May 07 00:41:35 <invalidopcode> oh yeah thats right
May 07 00:41:38 <destinal> but yeah the eclipse plugin idea is a good one
May 07 00:42:27 <invalidopcode> thanks :) I'm thinking though stuff that makes other platforms attractive that might be a help to us
May 07 00:43:15 <rrix> People actually use Eclipse?
May 07 00:43:27 <rrix> I thought enterprises just forced their employees to use that headache
May 07 00:43:28 <invalidopcode> be nice rrix :P
May 07 00:43:42 <rrix> I'm just saying, yo :)
May 07 00:43:51 * rrix flashes Vi gangsign
May 07 00:44:24 <invalidopcode> I like eclipse on Linux, but prefer Visual Studio on windows, or QT Creator on either platform for C++ :P
May 07 00:45:02 <invalidopcode> destinal: what about some type of wireless sync to a desktop all like the iOS/iTunes stuff?
May 07 00:45:13 <invalidopcode> maybe as a Songbird plugin?
May 07 00:46:20 <invalidopcode> or revitalize HP Play... (which was just a rebranded version of Songbird)
May 07 00:48:17 <rrix> invalidopcode: I could never really get the hang of qt creator, either
May 07 00:48:30 <rrix> Maybe I'm just bad at IDEs, but nothing beats ctags+:make ;)
May 07 00:48:52 <rrix> I also do a lot of rails stuff, so having a tool that can do both decently enough probably helps
May 07 00:49:22 <invalidopcode> ah ok maybe your just too awesome for IDEs
May 07 00:49:40 <rrix> Probably not
May 07 00:49:49 <rrix> I strive to not be awesome :P
May 07 00:51:00 <invalidopcode> hahaha
May 07 00:51:42 * rrix disappears for a while
May 07 00:52:16 <invalidopcode> lets port webOS to C#!! ^^^ http://blog.xamarin.com/2012/05/01/android-in-c-sharp/
May 07 00:52:33 <destinal> hahaha
May 07 00:53:13 <destinal> invalidopcode: I think maybe a webos Google Play client would be fun
May 07 00:53:26 <destinal> at least, say, Google Play Music
May 07 00:53:35 <invalidopcode> oh that's right I remember you mentioning that before
May 07 00:53:49 <invalidopcode> any idea of actual possibility?
May 07 00:54:07 <destinal> dunno, need to put cyanogen on my touchpad and MITM it
May 07 00:54:28 <invalidopcode> MITM?
May 07 00:54:49 <destinal> man in the middle.  intercept traffic to / from
May 07 00:55:19 <destinal> reverse engineer, etc
May 07 00:55:55 <invalidopcode> ahhhh okay
May 07 00:56:28 <destinal> is there a master wishlist somewhere?
May 07 00:56:39 <invalidopcode> I was going to ask the same thing
May 07 00:56:40 <destinal> the stuff people want on webos
May 07 00:57:33 <invalidopcode> if there is I bet rwhitby would know where it is ;)
May 07 01:03:34 <invalidopcode> just wondering does anyone else's touchpad's clock randomly jump 10 minutes ahead?
May 07 01:15:22 <invalidopcode> hey destinal I just got a crazy idea, have there been any attempts to get speech recognition in webos?
May 07 01:18:40 <rwhitby> invalidopcode: I'm not into wishlists
May 07 01:18:56 <invalidopcode> rwhitby: ah ok
May 07 01:19:11 <rwhitby> they usually have no concept of reality
May 07 01:19:36 <hewball> my wishlist is a working pre3 on telstra again, but chances of that are slim :(
May 07 01:20:02 <rwhitby> hewball: have you tried using the other modem firmware version?
May 07 01:20:12 <hewball> rwhitby: all 3 yes
May 07 01:20:18 <hewball> same exact error
May 07 01:20:30 <rwhitby> Bummer. That's going to kill the Pre 3 in Australia.
May 07 01:20:54 <hewball> it has to do with data connection sleeping
May 07 01:21:56 <hewball> i have a modem crashlog and no way of reading it, so i cant work out any more
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