**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 02:59:59 2012
May 07 03:15:43 <hewball> hmmm RRC is also 2 way handshake for Security, maybe its not just data sleeping
May 07 03:17:46 <hewball> i get no crashes on 2G only with data :(
May 07 04:01:38 <hewball>  more pre3's in Aus than i thought
May 07 04:13:39 <Amish> How long does it take for App Tuckerbox to be verified?
May 07 04:27:47 <cryptk> Amish, it verifies automatically I thought as long as you follow the process that it tells you to
May 07 04:46:57 <Amish> cryptk I did, its been a few hours
May 07 04:50:13 <cryptk> hrm, apptuckerbox is all rwhitby
May 07 04:50:25 <cryptk> it technically runs on one of my servers, but all of the code is him
May 07 04:50:50 <Amish> There are people with the same problems here: http://forums.webosnation.com/webos-internals/308784-app-tuckerbox-your-apps-your-devices-11.html
May 07 04:50:59 <Amish> but apparently, they're solved
May 07 04:51:43 <cryptk> in the apptuckerbox app, what does it say in the status box?
May 07 04:52:00 <Amish> registration submitted
May 07 04:52:17 <Amish> should it be accepted right away?
May 07 04:53:17 <cryptk> I think it should be IIRC
May 07 04:54:08 <Amish> is there a way to reregister, to refresh the process or something?
May 07 04:54:35 <cryptk> do me a favor, tell me the last 4 digits of the ID
May 07 04:54:50 <Amish> 6a9e
May 07 04:55:26 <cryptk> hrm, the DB is returning a 200 (which is correct)
May 07 04:56:45 <cryptk> rwhitby, is gonna hafta take a look at that one..
May 07 04:56:59 <Amish_> should I deregister
May 07 04:57:10 <cryptk> you can give it a shot
May 07 04:57:31 <Amish_> ok
May 07 04:58:14 <Amish_> deregister failed
May 07 04:59:12 <cryptk> I restarted the node stuff, that's the only thing I know to do to it
May 07 04:59:23 <cryptk> anything further than that will require rwhitby's magics
May 07 04:59:48 <Amish_> failed but I was sent to Regis screen in the beginning
May 07 04:59:53 <cryptk> wish I could help you more Amish_
May 07 05:00:10 <Amish_> tried registering again, failed, document conflict
May 07 05:00:11 <cryptk> I really know nothing about how the server side of apptuckerbox works
May 07 05:00:33 <cryptk> it is written in node.js and uses couchDB, I don't know how to work either of those
May 07 05:00:46 <cryptk> the only participation I have in it is that it runs on one of my servers
May 07 05:01:09 <Amish_> ok
May 07 05:01:23 <Amish_> but I may just have messed it up more
May 07 05:01:53 <cryptk> I honestly couldn't tell you, I'm not lying when I say I have absolutely no clue how any of the server side stuff for apptuckerbox works
May 07 05:02:10 <cryptk> giving me more details won't help at all, I do not know how to fix anything with it
May 07 05:02:34 <Amish_> ok, but did I reregister at all?
May 07 05:03:24 <cryptk> I have no clue
May 07 05:03:31 <cryptk> I don't know how to phrase that any better
May 07 05:03:50 <cryptk> I do not know how to work anything related to apptuckerbox on the server other than how to restart it's stuff
May 07 05:04:01 <Amish_> thanks anyway!
May 07 05:04:06 <cryptk> wish I could help more
May 07 05:05:32 <Amish_> no worries, probably will work somehow
May 07 05:22:04 <Amish_> Is rod in Australia?
May 07 05:57:23 <rwhitby> Amish: try now
May 07 05:57:54 <Amish> try checking?
May 07 05:57:59 <rwhitby> yes
May 07 06:00:05 <Amish> wow! thanks
May 07 06:21:56 <Amish> thanks again rod!
May 07 07:52:53 <Amish> Which Tuckerbox feeds should be enabled in Preware? Only catalog?
May 07 08:37:26 <Amish> why cant some apps be downloaded in Preware?
May 07 08:41:56 <cryptk> Amish, which apps?
May 07 08:42:13 <cryptk> if they are app catalog, they have to be either free apps, or apps that you have already purchased
May 07 08:42:32 <cryptk> apptuckerbox will not enable you to download an app without paying for it (assuming the app costs money)
May 07 08:44:16 <Amish> Is Noted! paid?
May 07 08:44:27 <Amish> I dont know cause its not in AC for Pre 3
May 07 08:44:54 <cryptk> not sure
May 07 08:45:33 <cryptk> Amish, Indeed, it is a paid app
May 07 08:45:39 <cryptk> costs $2.23
May 07 08:45:54 <Amish> ok, that solves it then
May 07 08:46:38 <Amish> any recommended apps for webOS?
May 07 08:47:29 <cryptk> my app requirements are very simple, I use my phone and tablet for calls, email and light web surfing, so I really don't have that many apps installed
May 07 08:47:45 <cryptk> that said, I really enjoy the game robotek (I think that's the name of it, don't have my tablet with me)
May 07 08:48:09 <Amish> tp only?
May 07 08:48:32 <cryptk> I think it is
May 07 08:49:30 <Amish> are there more apps for TP? that is so sad
May 07 08:50:11 <cryptk> there are apps for the TP and apps for the phone
May 07 08:50:15 <cryptk> not sure how many there are for each
May 07 08:50:50 <Amish> I read that Simon malls cards can be used for international users for US App Cat payment
May 07 08:51:07 <Amish> now that it is no longer available, what other options are there?
May 07 09:09:15 <cryptk> no clue, I am US
May 07 09:09:20 <cryptk> so I never had to mess with it
May 07 19:38:16 <bigbluehat> I'm trying to get the Google Sync Behaviors Patch hosted on webOS Nation's forums
May 07 19:38:22 <bigbluehat> however, their registration link is broken
May 07 19:38:38 <bigbluehat> additionally, I'd hoped to use the *very* handy patches.webos-internals.org page/site/thing
May 07 19:38:46 <bigbluehat> but it just links to the forum post...
May 07 19:38:57 <bigbluehat> could some one pastebin that patch for me? :)
May 07 19:43:06 <bigbluehat> nm...found the reg page at webos at last
May 07 21:02:52 <bhuey> folks
May 07 21:03:33 <Cerealklr> howdy
May 07 23:25:46 <green--> did you guys ever get promised kernel sources from HP (the end of March milestone for open webOS) and I just missed it?
May 07 23:26:02 <green--> also did HP divulge the GPLed but witheld wifi kernel driver?
May 07 23:26:35 <ka6sox> yes, no
May 07 23:27:04 <green--> where is it (the kernel)? Are you still interested in the wifi driver?
May 07 23:27:19 <ka6sox> the kernel is on github
May 07 23:27:48 <green--> I just got my side of it (the android kernel one) and wonder if I should pursue HP further for the webOS one as well or not
May 07 23:30:06 <ka6sox> the wifi driver could be "interesting" but will still lack bits that are needed to make it work right
May 07 23:30:07 <green--> ka6sox: have a link handy to github? my google skills are failing me :(
May 07 23:30:18 <green--> what bits will it lack?
May 07 23:30:40 <ka6sox> firmware things.
May 07 23:30:44 <green--> you have the firmware already from the bin distribution, so the kernel driver source is all you need I think
May 07 23:31:24 <scoutcamper> green--, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=github+openwebos+nyx
May 07 23:32:35 <green--> scoutcamper: you'd be surprised, but that only finds some sort of a nyx lib
May 07 23:33:17 <scoutcamper> green--, nyx-lib is the kernel stuff they promised. look closer.
May 07 23:33:51 <green--> "March: Linux standard kernel (supported by the PPL), graphics extensions EGL, LevelDB, USB extensions"
May 07 23:35:16 <scoutcamper> green--, linux standard kernel is 3.3 and nyx-libs is the webos plugins for it.
May 07 23:36:00 <green--> you mean the vanilla 3.3 has all arch stuff to support existing webOS device?
May 07 23:36:26 <ka6sox> no
May 07 23:36:54 <green--> then what am I missing?
May 07 23:36:57 <ka6sox> OpenWebOS will most likely not boot on any existing device (as far as I can see) for a while.
May 07 23:37:24 <green--> oh, I see. So there's open webOS, but no existing devices to run it yet.
May 07 23:37:27 <green--> ok
May 07 23:37:42 <ka6sox> thats what it kind of looks like to mee.
May 07 23:37:57 <green--> ka6sox: anyway, should I try to ask them for the wifi driver or not?
May 07 23:38:26 <ka6sox> you can ask...
May 07 23:38:37 <ka6sox> if you get it then thats one more good thing.
May 07 23:38:56 <green--> you don't sound too entusiastic ;)
May 07 23:40:35 <ka6sox> I am not optimistic...thats not the same :D
May 07 23:40:39 <Cerealklr> ka6sox: Clarification: No current device will reasonably be able to run it by the time OpenWebOS is released? Or is OpenWebOS simply not ready to run on current devices yet?
May 07 23:40:56 <green--> Well, nobody was too optimistic about the android kernel, then nobody was too optimistic about android wifi driver ;)
May 07 23:41:10 <ka6sox> green--, true and true
May 07 23:41:16 <ka6sox> Cerealklr, yes
May 07 23:41:51 <green--> ka6sox: Ok, I'll keep you informed on the developments
May 07 23:41:57 <green--> thanks for your help
May 07 23:42:06 <ka6sox> if you look at what has been released and what is yet to come (according to the "Plan") then I don't see it being able to be booted on an existing device.
May 07 23:42:15 <ka6sox> green--, np....
May 07 23:43:03 <green--> spposedly with an old kernel it will still work?
May 07 23:43:11 <green--> if you can figure out missing device drivers, of course
May 07 23:43:18 <ka6sox> if you backport nyx maybe
May 07 23:43:48 <green--> oh, so nyx is also different from 3.x?
May 07 23:43:49 <Cerealklr> ka6sox: Oi. I've been holding out for ages, but my poor frankenpre doesn't have much life left in it
May 07 23:44:40 <ka6sox> Cerealklr, I seriously doubt that a Frankenpre has much hope of running OWO. at least not in the near future.
May 07 23:45:46 <Cerealklr> ka6sox: I doubt it even more, seeing how much trouble it's having on 2.x I really don't want to jump ship to Android though. There are a lot of things about WebOS I'm going to miss.
May 07 23:46:05 <Cerealklr> Heck, I'm having a hard enough time admitting to myself the Pre may be the last phone with a real keyboard I'll have.
May 07 23:46:28 <ka6sox> welcome to life..."progress" isn't always good.
May 07 23:47:11 <green--> nobody makes a "perfect" phone somehow. :(
May 07 23:47:29 * green-- hated iPhone, now grumbles about android for another set of reasons ;)
May 07 23:48:04 * zumbi likes N9
May 07 23:48:30 <Cerealklr> I'm reasonably technical (i've compiled my own kernels and actually written a driver for my Sidewinder X4 keyboard). Is there any literature you could point me to that would explain the issues with running OWO on current devices?
May 07 23:48:55 <ka6sox> nope,
May 07 23:49:22 <ka6sox> but I suspect that thigns like: Phone integration, wifi, BT and 3D drivers would be on the top of the list.
May 07 23:54:28 <Cerealklr> Oi. I thought Nyx was going to abstract that for us? Or do (plugins | modules | whatever-nyx-calls-them) need to be written for each phone model in order for that to happen?
May 07 23:57:37 <ka6sox> you would still need drivers for all of that...from someplace...
May 07 23:58:02 <ka6sox> kind of don't think that a 3.X kernel would run 2.X modules.
May 07 23:58:12 <Cerealklr> ohhh, right
May 07 23:58:17 <Cerealklr> no current phones are on 3.x then?
May 07 23:58:24 <Cerealklr> I thought the newer phones would be
May 07 23:58:33 <ka6sox> not that I ever saw!
May 07 23:59:14 <Cerealklr> Well
May 07 23:59:18 <Cerealklr> that's profoundly upsetting.
May 08 00:03:38 <ka6sox> August 18th killed all that I'm sure...
May 08 00:05:14 <Cerealklr> August 18?
May 08 00:07:53 <destinal> Cerealklr: HP August 18th announced  that it would discontinue operations for webOS devices, specifically the TouchPad tablet and webOS phones.
May 08 00:08:04 <destinal> aka Leo blowing everything up
May 08 00:08:13 <Cerealklr> Oi, I forgot the exact date.
May 08 00:08:23 <Cerealklr> You know, for a little while there
May 08 00:08:40 <Cerealklr> I really thought the firesale was going to save WebOS as a business
May 08 00:10:31 <destinal> Cerealklr: liquidating all your inventory of a product at an incredible loss rarely saves a business
May 08 00:10:49 <destinal> though I agree it did at least get people to notice webOS
May 08 00:11:06 <Cerealklr> Certainly not in most business, but I thought it'd finally give us the numbers we needed for a functional ecosystem
May 08 00:11:23 <Cerealklr> certainly I thought moral couldn't drop any lower, and maybe it it perked up it'd climb out of the hole entirely
May 08 00:11:40 <Cerealklr> I suppose that is why I'm not a sociologist. =P
May 08 00:15:08 <ka6sox> well...it would be "nice"...
May 08 00:15:55 <Cerealklr> I guess I don't really know where to go from here.
May 08 00:16:41 <Cerealklr> my poor little handmade FrankenPre+ didn't vibrate from the day I put it together, and had random but serious lag issues (as though it was sending and receiving calls and SMS synchronously), and now its frequently dropping both completely.
May 08 00:16:59 <Cerealklr> Can't find a Pre3 on the market for any sane price
May 08 00:17:15 <Cerealklr> How long do you reckon it'll be before we start seeking 3.x android devices?
May 08 00:19:22 <ka6sox> see topic ^^^
May 08 00:20:12 <Cerealklr> Sorry, suppose I'm straying a bit too far.
May 08 01:46:18 <EricBlade1> re: the discussion above .. Nyx is supposed to be an abstraction layer between the hardware drivers and Open webOS.  Sort of a driver for drivers.
May 08 01:46:26 <EricBlade1> at least, that's my understanding of it
May 08 01:47:19 <EricBlade1> it should, theoretically, make it considerably easier to take something that has some kind of driver availability, which should be the whole host of Android equipment, and turn it into something that owos can understand
May 08 01:52:38 <Cerealklr> EricBlade1: That was my understanding as well, but I haven't actually dug into it at all
May 08 01:52:45 <Cerealklr> so I don't know whether its userspace or a module
May 08 01:53:05 <Cerealklr> if its a module it would need to be backported, and I'm not sure how it interfaces with the actual kernel modules controlling the phones specifics
May 08 01:54:15 <EricBlade1>  It is implemented as a shared library that exposes a uniform client API and that expects to call into a series of platform-dependent modules that implement the API for a particular device
May 08 02:00:24 <green--> k6sox: https://github.com/verygreen/TP-ar6kSDK is the android on for now in case you are in a digging mood ;)
May 08 02:15:24 <Cerealklr> EricBlade1: Ah. Interesting. So the modules it can interface with need to be baked into it, or is it extensible on the bottom level?
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