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May 08 03:26:44 <EricBlade1> Cerealklr: hmm.
May 08 03:26:56 <EricBlade1> just glancing at it, it looks like it defined a NYX_MODULE_DIR
May 08 03:27:53 <Cerealklr> I recall reading somewhere about writing nyx plugins, but I wasn't clear as to whether those were kernel <--> nyx or nyx <--> OWO
May 08 03:36:52 <EricBlade1> it goes kernel <--> nyx <--> webos
May 08 03:37:25 <EricBlade1> so, it looks like yes, that's for both
May 08 03:37:47 <Cerealklr> Right, but wouldn't the plugins be either kernel <--> nyx or nyx <--> webos? It wouldn't abstract very much if the plugins directly paired kernel <--> OWO
May 08 03:38:28 <Cerealklr> then again, I'd expect there to be a plugin interface for both, or perhaps for the plugin interface to be able to handle either case.
May 08 03:38:44 <EricBlade1> well, if you look at the example which shows you how to implement a keyboard-LED toggler ...
May 08 03:39:03 <EricBlade1> you implement a set_brightness and a get_brightness function
May 08 03:39:16 <Cerealklr> which, iirc, queries a nyx function
May 08 03:39:26 <Cerealklr> to (get|set) actual device state
May 08 03:39:41 <Cerealklr> (don't have it open, and I read the code example some weeks ago, so correct me if I'm wrong)
May 08 03:40:02 <EricBlade1> they both ioctl()
May 08 03:40:12 <Cerealklr> ah
May 08 03:40:16 <Cerealklr> huh
May 08 03:40:33 <EricBlade1> so presumably, when webOS wants to flash the notification LED, it'll send nyx a command to flash the LED
May 08 03:40:41 <EricBlade1> nyx will tell the kernel to do it
May 08 03:41:13 <Cerealklr> I suppose that makes sense
May 08 03:41:32 <Cerealklr> so nyx seems to be more or less duck-typing in action.
May 08 03:41:40 <EricBlade1> while that might seem somewhat silly in that there's already established interfaces for dealing with lots of this stuff, this does bring a few other interesting possibilities
May 08 03:42:13 <EricBlade1> probably the best i can think of, is that it shields webOS from variances in the kernel
May 08 03:43:16 <Cerealklr> Right. I was more hung up on the how of nyx <--> webos in terms of figuring out what devices are actually available
May 08 03:43:31 <Cerealklr> but it's more or less fallen into place now
May 08 03:44:29 <green--> I suspect a nyx plugin <-> android api would be really useful. webOS as a drop in replacement for an android ;)
May 08 03:45:00 <EricBlade1> and it magically drops in right on top of the kernel
May 08 03:45:07 <Cerealklr> a curious prospect indeed. =P Well, I'm hopeful for anything that'll keep me on WebOS
May 08 03:46:41 <green--> not just on top of the kernel. would need to oad stuff in lib/hw, stuff like sensors.so and such
May 08 03:47:09 <green--> but the good news is the API is standartized, so do it once, get all the android devices supported
May 08 03:47:36 <Cerealklr> nice!
May 08 03:48:04 <EricBlade1> and something exciting for the super geeks, is it's not even dependent on linux
May 08 03:50:04 <invalidopcode> EricBlade1: don't you dare suggest webos on windows ce :P
May 08 03:50:27 <EricBlade1> well i was thinking something more like QNX
May 08 03:51:42 <EricBlade1> also probably good for use with the old equipment, if the existing palm drivers can't be opensourced, like the modem drivers or something
May 08 03:51:49 <EricBlade1> they could potentially use their existing kernels
May 08 03:52:02 <Cerealklr> didn't even consider that
May 08 03:52:22 <green--> but the API is not published, and if they are as bad as the touchpad where they hid all the useful stuff in userspace drivers...
May 08 03:52:25 <invalidopcode> hm... interesting ideas right here
May 08 03:54:02 <green--> I guess the good news about the touchpad is a lot of internals were uncovered by android projects, but older webos phones have not seen this level of digging I suspect
May 08 03:55:41 <EricBlade1> even so, if they can't open source that stuff, they can write a new connection for it
May 08 03:56:30 <green--> sure they can. the big quesion is if they will.
May 08 04:06:24 <EricBlade1> i have a feeling that if they can't/won't, they'll give someone enough information to
May 08 20:01:01 <ertlink> New to this
May 08 20:01:58 <ertlink> Would like to copy mp3 files from PC to HP Touchpad Wi fi.
May 08 20:06:00 <PatrickC> ertlink: i believe that WiFi File browser (i think thats the name) in preware does that
May 08 20:17:42 <rrix> Holy moses the pre3 is beautiful
May 08 20:17:50 * rrix is now even more sad it was never released
May 08 20:18:56 <Tibfib_> it is a gorgeous phone
May 08 20:19:07 <rrix> yeah
May 08 20:19:13 <Cerealklr> rrix: shhh. I try not to think about it.
May 08 20:20:04 <rrix> me too
May 08 20:20:07 <Tibfib_> the software is pretty flawed tho. good, but flawed
May 08 20:20:16 * rrix just got one though, so I can think about it a little more :)
May 08 20:20:27 * Cerealklr sighs
May 08 20:20:38 <Cerealklr> I don't suppose you have the disposable income to send one my way?
May 08 20:20:44 <rrix> I wish
May 08 20:21:58 * rrix &
May 08 20:52:45 <EricBlade> hey guys.. on my Pre3, I had to use Impostah to login to my webOS account, since I couldn't get it to otherwise bypass the "failed to restore backup" error
May 08 20:53:06 <EricBlade> i'm noticing now that I can't purchase apps in the catalog on it - but I can download ones I've purchased from my touchpad
May 08 20:53:20 <EricBlade> i'd like to purchase a phone only app, any suggestions?
May 09 02:49:38 <PuffTheMagic_> anything new around here?
May 09 02:57:57 <PatrickC> hey PuffTheMagic_
May 09 02:58:00 <PatrickC> long time no see
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